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The sport is in crisis!
We all know it but feel powerless to make change!
Is it possible to restore 'credibility' to a once great and powerful industry?
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dude, you're taking it way too seriously. It's been a freakshow since day 1. Enjoy it. Nobody wants to restore credibility to the beaded lady at the circus. People don't want to see average bodybuilders at shows, they want to see monsters. If average physiques sold better, their marketing dept would tell them, and they'd change cover strategies.
Live and let live, brother!
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Yes, we must start by bringing back the classical physiques.
We must not tolerate the 'pregnant belly' look any longer!
And also, we must restore the 'masculine aspects' of the sport.
NO LONGER should we accept the 'homo-sexualising' of this sport!
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dude, you're taking it way too seriously. It's been a freakshow since day 1. Enjoy it. Nobody wants to restore credibility to the beaded lady at the circus. People don't want to see average bodybuilders at shows, they want to see monsters. If average physiques sold better, their marketing dept would tell them, and they'd change cover strategies.
Live and let live, brother!
Amen.
Hank, stuff a cock in your mouth and stfu. No one cares. Pro bodybuilding fuckin rules how it is now. When i want to see average physiques i can go to local shows. When i wanna see 300 lb alien freaks, i watch pro bodybiulding.
And what teh fuck is this 'crisis' you're talking about? You sound worse than Gore with his make believe doomsday weather bullshit.
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it would need more consistent judging. no favoritism in the major shows. your name or competive history should not win you the trophy. just look at last years olympia. jay deserved it in 06 but in 07 he was beat by at least one competitor and many will argue more. coleman did not deserve to be placed ahead of wolf and that was a obvious gift. wolf wasnt even compaired directly to jay mainly because it would be obvious to so many that he wasnt the best. the fact that every year people have to "earn" the right to be at the top by paying there dues is bullshit. they paid their dues already by having the superior physique. just look at kamali beating wolf in montreal. anything judged by humans is open to error but this is worse than olympic figure skating. give the trophy to the best physique on that day and many of the current fans will be happier.
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Nobody gives a fuck. If you need to see oiled-up guys in thongs hitting poses to get motivated to hit the gym then you have a problem. 99% of guys who workout and who happen to pay some kind of attention to pro-bodybuilding are well aware of what this "sport" called competitive bodybuilding is: a chemical adventure which went horribly wrong but is still fun to watch. Whatever and whoever hits that stage is not going to change a thing about me working out.
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Having some bodybuilders who have charisma and personality would help maybe.
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No more corruption. Best body should win. Look at Nasser he good enough body to win two mr O but they give it to a convicted burglar and supposedly reformed racist with torn muscles and a disgusting, vomit inducing stomach.
Its a fix
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Yes, we must start by bringing back the classical physiques.
We must not tolerate the 'pregnant belly' look any longer!
And also, we must restore the 'masculine aspects' of the sport.
NO LONGER should we accept the 'homo-sexualising' of this sport!
yes, and they need to ban idiots like Tamali, Kai and will Haris from gaying and dancing on stage or playing stupid music that even makes it worse.
compare posing routines of the 70s with the current stupid posings,it has gone too far.
the IFBB need to set strict rules for posing onstage,
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Shari has been great for the sport. You'd all kill to look like him. The fact he is Persian seems to weigh against him with the ignorant racists.I also gather that Shari is not impressed with 'monster81' physique at all.
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Fuck off with that shit Sharma - Kamali is an average bodybuilder at best who made his mouth more famous than his physique. Problem was when it game to game time Kamali folded like a origami world champion which in turn made him look like a fucking clown. Had nothing about him being persian but more to do with him being a very very average bodybuilder with a very very big mouth that had no substance.
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yes, and they need to ban idiots like Tamali, Kai and will Haris from gaying and dancing on stage or playing stupid music that even makes it worse.
compare posing routines of the 70s with the current stupid posings,it has gone too far.
the IFBB need to set strict rules for posing onstage,
Agreed. stupid gay dancing should be banned, only true artistic posing should be allowed (maybe a LITTLE dance just for entertainment).
If anyone like will harris dances again like that at the Olympia, he should be banned from ifbb. It makes the best bb show look like a circus. shame.
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Rewriting the 'code of conduct' would be helpful.
Setting out an ammended 'legal framework' and then enforcing it; would be very helpful.
Consistency.
Punishment fitting the crime?
Look, the sport is in tatters. At this point, almost anything that deals with the corruption, dealing and judging-double-standards would be a step in the right direction.
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give the trophy to the best physique on that day and many of the current fans will be happier.
simply give the title to dexter jackson or dennis wolf. case closed. jay doesnt deserve it anymore. the guy with the biggest back should not automatically be gifted the title. thats not how bbing works.
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Shari has been great for the sport. You'd all kill to look like him. The fact he is Persian seems to weigh against him with the ignorant racists.I also gather that Shari is not impressed with 'monster81' physique at all.
lol ,,sure wer dying to look like tamali
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In my view, it isn't about judging, mass vs. aesthetics, or even anabolics.
The perception that bodybuilding has to overcome is that bodybuilders are just "mirror athletes" (i.e. they do NOTHING with their big muscles).
Training doesn't count, as virtually every major sport/athletic endeavor (baseball, football, basketball, pro wrestling, etc.) trains with weights. Bodybuilders must do something with those massive physiques, BESIDES pose and flex.
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Amen.
Hank, stuff a cock in your mouth and stfu. No one cares. Pro bodybuilding fuckin rules how it is now. When i want to see average physiques i can go to local shows. When i wanna see 300 lb alien freaks, i watch pro bodybiulding.
And what teh fuck is this 'crisis' you're talking about? You sound worse than Gore with his make believe doomsday weather bullshit.
bwhahaha. Especially on the Al Gore comment. ;D Gore is a serious douchebag and yes, his girl of a wife too.
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we could start by leaving grapefruits alone...
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it would need more consistent judging. no favoritism in the major shows. your name or competive history should not win you the trophy. just look at last years olympia. jay deserved it in 06 but in 07 he was beat by at least one competitor and many will argue more. coleman did not deserve to be placed ahead of wolf and that was a obvious gift. wolf wasnt even compaired directly to jay mainly because it would be obvious to so many that he wasnt the best. the fact that every year people have to "earn" the right to be at the top by paying there dues is bullshit. they paid their dues already by having the superior physique. just look at kamali beating wolf in montreal. anything judged by humans is open to error but this is worse than olympic figure skating. give the trophy to the best physique on that day and many of the current fans will be happier.
I agree. Add the travesty when Bob was given the gift of beating Rusty Jeffers. Again, no comparison with Bob. Sounds like Montreal and the Olympia re Wolf. You make a strong case that the IFBB stops some people from winning or placing higher. In a word, it is bullshit.
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Seriously?
A reintroduction of old fashioned trunks that were thicker and covered the whole area - none of this thong stuff and folding the trunks into the asscrack.
Genuine penalties for guts.
Disqualification for any proven g4p activities.
Less bald black guys. (I have nothing against them, just that they all look so similar)
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Nobody gives a fuck. If you need to see oiled-up guys in thongs hitting poses to get motivated to hit the gym then you have a problem. 99% of guys who workout and who happen to pay some kind of attention to pro-bodybuilding are well aware of what this "sport" called competitive bodybuilding is: a chemical adventure which went horribly wrong but is still fun to watch. Whatever and whoever hits that stage is not going to change a thing about me working out.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
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1. The IFBB running its own shows.
2. The Olympia judged only by former Mr. Olympia winners.
3. Olympia qualifications are earned each year by winning a pro show and everyone must requalify.
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Seriously?
A reintroduction of old fashioned trunks that were thicker and covered the whole area - none of this thong stuff and folding the trunks into the asscrack.
Genuine penalties for guts.
Disqualification for any proven g4p activities.
Less bald black guys. (I have nothing against them, just that they all look so similar)
Easy stud with the bald black guy stuff! Those guys have serious hairline issues with all that Decca, D-Bol, Winstrol, etc...Cut them some slack. Half-bald and mohawks are damn ugly, specially on black dudes. Remember Mr.T? Do you really wanna see this again?
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Less bald black guys. (I have nothing against them, just that they all look so similar)
No kidding, power rod was right when he said the Mr. Olympia lineup looks like a slave auction ;D
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Shooting everyone onstage that looks as if they are about to give birth. Screw penalizing them. Banning a bb that appears in a porn mag/video for life.
No more thongs onstage, christ...that shit is just disgusting. And less fake boobs on the female competitors. Or at least have a restricted cup size...hell, if I want to see some dried up prune with huge ass tits I would go visit my grandma
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Shooting everyone onstage that looks as if they are about to give birth. Screw penalizing them. Banning a bb that appears in a porn mag/video for life.
No more thongs onstage, christ...that shit is just disgusting. And less fake boobs on the female competitors. Or at least have a restricted cup size...hell, if I want to see some dried up prune with huge ass tits I would go visit my grandma
C'mon, I'm sure your grandma still looks better than Iris Kyle.
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C'mon, I'm sure your grandma still looks better than Iris Kyle.
But Iris Kyle said she's a sex goddess...maybe I should post a pic and you can decide
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I think you should send it to Iris Kyle and ask her opinion. Either way, her opinion will be conforting I think.
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Yes, we must start by bringing back the classical physiques.
We must not tolerate the 'pregnant belly' look any longer!
And also, we must restore the 'masculine aspects' of the sport.
NO LONGER should we accept the 'homo-sexualising' of this sport!
I've gotta go kill myself as I agree with a Hank Wood post :-[
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She scares me a little... seems to be a bit hungry when she talks to you. Rather not give her any ideas. Besides I find you comforting...like resting my head upon a soft fluffy cloud
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She scares me a little... seems to be a bit hungry when she talks to you. Rather not give her any ideas. Besides I find you comforting...like resting my head upon a soft fluffy cloud
I'm gonna forward your post to my bitch. At last, I get some credit for beeing such a nice guy. And BTW, I agree, Kyle is a bit scary. And I still don't see under which angle I could ever see her as a sex goddess.
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The sport is in crisis!
We all know it but feel powerless to make change!
Is it possible to restore 'credibility' to a once great and powerful industry?
Two words: pube glitter
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No synthol..if you can't earn the muscle through drugs then you don't deserve a pro card!
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I'm gonna forward your post to my bitch. At last, I get some credit for beeing such a nice guy. And BTW, I agree, Kyle is a bit scary. And I still don't see under which angle I could ever see her as a sex goddess.
Not interested in your bitch... looking at her ass and tits... why, I could just look in a mirror myself ... nice to know there are "nice" guys out there who does not mind sharing their bitches.
How do I enter your stable?
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the sport is in transition. this is not unusual when one or two people who so dominate the business leave the scene. There was a big transition from the Hoffman era to the Weider era. Now we are transitioning into what ever is after the Weider era.
The AAU didn't survive the transition, although it took another 20 years for it to disappear from bodybuilding all together. And there is no guarantee that the IFBB will survive this transition.
The IFBB was really a one man business. When that person leaves the scene a company often flounders. It doesn't help that shortly before Ben's retirement they chased away the one person who was best qualified to help the company through the transition.
Pro bodybuilding is hurting. Attendance is down. The number of contests are down. Perhaps worse is that the powers that be have lost control over how bodybuilding is presented. Ben had control of the IFBB and Joe had control over the magazines. They had complete control on how the fans saw the sport. Now the magazines are dying and no one has control over the internet.
The biggest mistake the current management of the IFBB has made is in their dealing with the internet.
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I still believe that restoring credibility must first start with a 'sweeping of the floor'.
An enquiry is needed to investigate how deeply rooted the corruption activities are! Once this can be established we have a clean slate to work from.
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wow hank finally makes sense :o
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the sport is in transition. this is not unusual when one or two people who so dominate the business leave the scene. There was a big transition from the Hoffman era to the Weider era. Now we are transitioning into what ever is after the Weider era.
The AAU didn't survive the transition, although it took another 20 years for it to disappear from bodybuilding all together. And there is no guarantee that the IFBB will survive this transition.
The IFBB was really a one man business. When that person leaves the scene a company often flounders. It doesn't help that shortly before Ben's retirement they chased away the one person who was best qualified to help the company through the transition.
Pro bodybuilding is hurting. Attendance is down. The number of contests are down. Perhaps worse is that the powers that be have lost control over how bodybuilding is presented. Ben had control of the IFBB and Joe had control over the magazines. They had complete control on how the fans saw the sport. Now the magazines are dying and no one has control over the internet.
The biggest mistake the current management of the IFBB has made is in their dealing with the internet.
So true. Just look what the internet did to Tower Records. There's a lesson here: get on board or get run over. :-[
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Try using some of those Fukin Benign IFBB Rules they have Like Drug tests and stop all the Fukin Whoring.Increase Prize Money might help. ::)
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Many, many serious issues affecting the sport!
The 'powers that be' just don't seem interested in addressing them. They appear happy to let the sport continue down this very destructive path!
The question still remains; Should we as fans, allow the sport to further spiral out of control?
Look, many of us are appalled by the blatant corruption, drug abuse and whoring that exists in today's Pro Bodybuilding. Yet, we feel powerless to affect change!
I believe that as fans, we must pressure governments to 'crack down' on the illegalities that are so much a part of the sport today. The 'industry' must not be allowed to continually act 'above the law'.
Those who are profiting from this corruption must be held accountable. Prosecuting the guilty is fundamental to ensuring the longevity and credibility of Pro Bodybuilding.
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Yes, we must start by bringing back the classical physiques.
We must not tolerate the 'pregnant belly' look any longer!
And also, we must restore the 'masculine aspects' of the sport.
NO LONGER should we accept the 'homo-sexualising' of this sport!
gurl, didn't your husband give you any last night? lol
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Seriously?
A reintroduction of old fashioned trunks that were thicker and covered the whole area - none of this thong stuff and folding the trunks into the asscrack.
Genuine penalties for guts.
Disqualification for any proven g4p activities.
Less bald black guys. (I have nothing against them, just that they all look so similar)
Partially agree except for G4P and shaved heads on black BBs,If G4P was enforced there would not be to many BBs onstage proven or rumour.
Penalize guts and bring back the 70s posing trunks, But i like the Freaks.
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Partially agree except for G4P and shaved heads on black BBs,If G4P was enforced there would not be to many BBs onstage proven or rumour.
Penalize guts and bring back the 70s posing trunks, But i like the Freaks.
i dont believe that there's such a thing as gay for pay...either you are or you're not. how can you enforce a restiction on income like a G4P rule. as long as you pay taxes on income what's illegal?
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Look, fans of Pro Bodybuilding will always be categorized as latent-homosexuals....sad but true.
The mainstream have always looked at Pro Bodybuilding as a 'male-lust-event'.
Yes, it is unfortunate that the sport has such 'negativity' attached to it.
As fans, should we be concerned about the homo-erotic aspects of the sport?
Even though the sport has become so 'overtly gay', we must not turn our backs on it!
We still have the opportunity to change this 'gay perception'; the sport so erroneously enjoys!
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Hank,
See if you can interest Rodgers & Hammerstein in writing a nice, wholesome Pro Bodybuilding musical. It worked for Oklahoma, the South Pacific & a lot of carousels.
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Q:WHAT IS REQUIRED TO RESTORE 'CREDIBILITY' TO PRO BODYBUILDING?
A: MORE DRUGS, BIGGER GUYS AND THAT WE STOP AWARDING THE GUYS WHO HAVE A BODY THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST WE NEED MORE DRUGS! SOME NEW EXOTIC DRUGS WOULD BE A GOOD THING AS WELL AS GENETIC MANIPULATION...
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Q:WHAT IS REQUIRED TO RESTORE 'CREDIBILITY' TO PRO BODYBUILDING?
A: MORE DRUGS, BIGGER GUYS AND THAT WE STOP AWARDING THE GUYS WHO HAVE A BODY THAT MOST PEOPLE WANT, BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST WE NEED MORE DRUGS! SOME NEW EXOTIC DRUGS WOULD BE A GOOD THING AS WELL AS GENETIC MANIPULATION...
i agree but are you ever going to post a picture of yourself like you said you were going to Mr. 290 pounds at 13 percent bf at 5'10"?
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Yes, i know i promised to post some pics and i even had some taken, but i never got them. At the moment it's a propably a good thing that i didn't post any pics back then, because it seems that no matter how you look you will get slammed. Also i know that i could "blur" my face to avoid "recognition."
About six months ago i chanced careers from a bouncer to something else. (Security related, but nothing like "mall security" lol). So i have zero room for error...
Ps. I´m currently 5'10, 305 lbs, 20% BF
And i was only half joking about that more drugs thing and i know we aren't exactly "pals" but this current flow of "small six pack-tap out-kids" is driving me crazy in the gym's too...
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Yes, i know i promised to post some pics and i even had some taken, but i never got them. At the moment it's a propably a good thing that i didn't post any pics back then, because it seems that no matter how you look you will get slammed. Also i know that i could "blur" my face to avoid "recognition."
About six months ago i chanced careers from a bouncer to something else. (Security related, but nothing like "mall security" lol). So i have zero room for error...
Ps. I´m currently 5'10, 305 lbs, 20% BF
And i was only half joking about that more drugs thing and i know we aren't exactly "pals" but this current flow of "small six pack-tap out-kids" is driving me crazy in the gym's too...
::) more bullshit, until you post a picture you're 128 pounds at 6'2".
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FINE.
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i dont believe that there's such a thing as gay for pay...either you are or you're not. how can you enforce a restiction on income like a G4P rule. as long as you pay taxes on income what's illegal?
G4P means prostitution. prostitution is illegal in most places.
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The question still remains; Should we as fans, allow the sport to further spiral out of control?
We, as fans, already have a say. We buy tickets to contests or not. We buy the magazines or not. Athletes have a say too. They choose what contests to enter.
If you don't like the way the IFBB or the NPC is doing things, go attend or enter a NABBA or WNBF or any other orgs events.
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Re: WHAT IS REQUIRED TO RESTORE 'CREDIBILITY' TO PRO BODYBUILDING?
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Shari has been great for the sport. You'd all kill to look like him. The fact he is Persian seems to weigh against him with the ignorant racists.I also gather that Shari is not impressed with 'monster81' physique at all.
Nobody likes Ayatollah Tamali Kohmeni, fucking idiot. He's a drugged up moron with horrible genetics.
Ahmad Haider is loads better than him and is the type of physique the IFBB ought to promote.
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dude, you're taking it way too seriously. It's been a freakshow since day 1. Enjoy it. Nobody wants to restore credibility to the bearded lady at the circus. People don't want to see average bodybuilders at shows, they want to see monsters. If average physiques sold better, their marketing dept would tell them, and they'd change cover strategies.
Live and let live, brother!
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.
If you don't like it stop patronizing the circus. There are a million other ways to spend your time.
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It won't be long until someone gets a kick in the arse for allowing this blatant Drug use and Abuse in BB and when it crumbles man will it crumble.Pro no longer No Drugs No Pro = No IFBB SCAM.
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We, as fans, already have a say. We buy tickets to contests or not. We buy the magazines or not. Athletes have a say too. They choose what contests to enter.
If you don't like the way the IFBB or the NPC is doing things, go attend or enter a NABBA or WNBF or any other orgs events.
if we stop buying into the ifbb, there's no guarantee they'll know the reason y. it's just a bad day for business to them and would probably = less shows.
let's face it, as fans we like to think we know how a bbing show should be judged and how a bber should look, but to just place guys with a slightly protruding waistline, but everything else intact, lower than a guy who isnt in the best shape, but has a twim waistline, is absurd. i don't like guts onstage, but that's the reality of it, as not everyone is in the exact same shape on the day of the show.
It won't be long until someone gets a kick in the arse for allowing this blatant Drug use and Abuse in BB and when it crumbles man will it crumble.Pro no longer No Drugs No Pro = No IFBB SCAM.[/b]
Fixed.
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very simple
dex should be this coming year champ,,
v taper should be prefered over blocky squary physiqe
hormones should be less controled in america as a complete seperation from natcotics (we are working on this vote mccain if you want to help)
stop dealing with china and those communitsts
put money into national shows when hormones are less controlled and amendment made (guys who compete nationaly and place 1-10 should be able to win money even if it is 1 2 and 3 k
completely cancel female bodybuilding and only allow female figure and fitness
majority of the judges should be compettive bodybuilders themselves and not promoters
the audience should have the ability to decide whos the winner if it is very close within 10 points,,who ever the audience choses should get 10 points deducted and win the whole show
dont let any bodybuilder with felonies compete EVER,,if he was not smart enough he should not be on stage and especially after hormones are less controlled ,,this it will be a must because then it will be felony as a result of real crime
lastly and this is very important ,,start pushing bodybuilders from around the world the way it used to be in the 60-70 when arnold and sergio competed,,the reasson is the moment a sport is isolated to one main continent it becomes a cult ,,our sport never stopped being a cult because america took a sole approach insted of integrading many diff countries under the IFBB and promoting their guys same way american
guys promoted,,that means money will have to be invested more out side america not only in america
what i wrote above will bring bodybuilding back to 1979 ,,from there on its up to you youngsters the ones who are 20 today ,,you will have the choice again wetrher to abuse hormones and narcotics or take it the best you can by the sole use of aas,,credibility will be restored though
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Re: WHAT IS REQUIRED TO RESTORE 'CREDIBILITY' TO PRO BODYBUILDING?
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Wow, that big tittied guy is fucking the hell out of that chick.
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The sport has now become to deeply embedded within the gay community....Yes, it has become all to anal.
The sport needs to explore new options.
A clear and defined purpose must be found if this sport is to move beyond its 'homo-status'.
A whole new restructuring must be initiated.
The 'powers that be' have enjoyed a monopolising of the sport for too long. They have succumbed to the corruptive elements and have allowed the gay-collective to become 'too involved' within the decision making process.
Bottom line, it sickens me to think that Pro Bodybuilding of today, is now just a euphemism for 'gay-pride'...enough is enough!
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::) more bullshit, until you post a picture you're 128 pounds at 6'2".
SF whats to rub against your picture stop baiting him lol
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The sport has now become to deeply embedded within the gay community....Yes, it has become all to anal.
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They have succumbed to the corruptive elements and have allowed the gay-collective to become 'too involved' within the decision making process.
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Bottom line, it sickens me to think that Pro Bodybuilding of today, is now just a euphemism for 'gay-pride'
just because you say it doesn't make it true. you've provided no evidence to any of your claims.
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I have made many claims regarding the 'gayness' of Pro Bodybuilding. And yes, i will continue to allege that the sport has been 'taken over' by the gay-collective.
Look, the evidence is purely anecdotal. I cannot prove this conspiracy! I cannot provide evidence that the judging committee's are deeply embedded in corruption. I also cannot prove that there is rampant drug abuse and widespread dealing.
Bottom line, audiences of men who cheer 'oiled-up men in thongs' does suggest a certain gayness.
And also, magazines that post pictures of near-naked men in 'unbuttoned daisy dukes' could be considered homo-pornography.
Look the evidence is everywhere, just open your eyes.
Fans must stop living in this 'gay denial'.
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Hank when you have history like Arnold doing fag shots in Blue Boy and crap like that what would you expect 40 years later.This sport is FUKED.No Money No Respect No Drug Tests = A lot of Money for the IFBB. ::)
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The sport does have a 'long history' of pandering to the homosexual community.
Yes, even the 'great man' Arnold was known to mow the lawns of 'Pro Bodybuilding's- industry leader'.
Arnold would strip to his underwear and then rove around the grassy expanses pushing a lawn mower.
The 'industry leader' loved to watch a sweaty and near-naked Arnold!
Yes, Arnold knew what side his bread was buttered on!
In summary, the gayness of Pro Bodybuilding is not a 'new phenomena'.
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Hank do they have the same problem in GOLF???How many other sports have such a Gay influence and gay activities to pay the bills.Wow how proud must you be to pull your dick out and make more money than you get for competing.
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There is a homosexual element attached to many sports..
Look, many Pro footballers , talk about the excitement of being with their male team mates. They love showering together, slapping and grabbing butts, hugging and just generally getting naked together!
Much gayness in sport. However, Pro Bodybuilding would have to be the gayest though.
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Sick Fuks. ::)
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Pro Bodybuilding has been 'forever shunned' by the mainstream. Legitimate media outlet's wont go near this sordid and corrupt industry; and for good reason.
Pro Bodybuilding enjoys the unfortunate tag of 'homo erotic male pageant'. It is a truly ugly sport.
The fanbase consists primarily of 'dysfunctional-latent-homosexual-types' who fantasise about emulating their roided-heroes.
Yes, there is nothing more gross and disturbing.
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Look, many Pro footballers , talk about the excitement of being with their male team mates. They love showering together, slapping and grabbing butts, hugging and just generally getting naked together!
you just made that shit up, fruity. ::)
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Males can feel threatened when their sexuality is brought into question. Yes, many team-sports have their 'basis' in homo-erotica.
For many male-sport's lovers, it is just easier to live in denial; as confrontation can be disturbing and destabilising!
Bottom line, if you play a team sport and don't mind 'getting naked, showering, hugging and butt slapping men', then i repeat: ''You are just another latent-homosexual-living-in-denial!''
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Males can feel threatened when their sexuality is brought into question. Yes, many team-sports have their 'basis' in homo-erotica.
For many male-sport's lovers, it is just easier to live in denial; as confrontation can be disturbing and destabilising!
Bottom line, if you play a team sport and don't mind 'getting naked, showering, hugging and butt slapping men', then i repeat: ''You are just another latent-homosexual-living-in-denial!''
Most team sports players don't mine be naked around other men because their not gay. You see gay acts everywhere because you are gay.
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Most team sports players don't mine be naked around other men because their not gay. You see gay acts everywhere because you are gay.
exactly
bay is the only one that can admit to being gay
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the sport is in transition. this is not unusual when one or two people who so dominate the business leave the scene. There was a big transition from the Hoffman era to the Weider era. Now we are transitioning into what ever is after the Weider era.
The AAU didn't survive the transition, although it took another 20 years for it to disappear from bodybuilding all together. And there is no guarantee that the IFBB will survive this transition.
The IFBB was really a one man business. When that person leaves the scene a company often flounders. It doesn't help that shortly before Ben's retirement they chased away the one person who was best qualified to help the company through the transition.
Pro bodybuilding is hurting. Attendance is down. The number of contests are down. Perhaps worse is that the powers that be have lost control over how bodybuilding is presented. Ben had control of the IFBB and Joe had control over the magazines. They had complete control on how the fans saw the sport. Now the magazines are dying and no one has control over the internet.
The biggest mistake the current management of the IFBB has made is in their dealing with the internet.
You make some good pts on the history of the main folks in the sport here TJ. However, the ticket sales are up ( record # at the arnold this yr) . The line up of shows is decent and the Tampa show is new entry on the pro show scene. I am NOT pleased with the overall extreme drugged freak look, but , it is, what it is.
Howard
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Are you saying Guys that pose naked for fags to jerk off to aren't gay and when Derek has an erection from old schmoes touching him he is not gay???If ya cock grows from men touching you your Fukin GAY.
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Yes, the fans are 'threatened' by allegations that the sport has its 'roots deeply implanted' within the gay community.
The fans don't like to be reminded of this ugly truth. They see it as an attack on their 'own' sexuality.
Pro Bodybuilding is a 'latent sexual man's fantasy exhibition', now that is obvious. The real issue is; why do the fans have such a problem acknowledging this paradigm?
If you are a fan of this sport, don't run and hide! Stand up and be counted!
You should not be intimidated by the fact that you enjoy watching 'men in thongs, shaking ass, prancing around on a stage!'
For Christ sake, grow some balls and shout to the world, '' I love the overt-gayness that is Pro Bodybuilding.''
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Yes, the fans are 'threatened' by allegations that the sport has its 'roots deeply implanted' within the gay community.
The fans don't like to be reminded of this ugly truth. They see it as an attack on their 'own' sexuality.
Pro Bodybuilding is a 'latent sexual man's fantasy exhibition', now that is obvious. The real issue is; why do the fans have such a problem acknowledging this paradigm?
If you are a fan of this sport, don't run and hide! Stand up and be counted!
You should not be intimidated by the fact that you enjoy watching 'men in thongs, shaking ass, prancing around on a stage!'
For Christ sake, grow some balls and shout to the world, '' I love the overt-gayness that is Pro Bodybuilding.''
as much as you talk, is as little as you actually know about the TRUE fans.
1. I'm not threatened at all by allegations that the sport has roots in gay community, as that much is obvious. it's a schmoe's paradise and schmoe's are some of the big money-makers in the industry.
2. it's not an attack on my own sexuality at all. i'm comfortable with the gayness, as if they want to show themselves off like that, it's their choice.
3. as above, I acknowledge that some of the bbers are gay themselves, and almost all of them are viewed as sex symbols by the gay community. that's only natural.
4. I AM a fan of the sport, and i'm NOT hiding at all.
5. I may not want the sport to continue its more homosexual side, but I love the competition, the training and the lifestyle, and if they want to wear thongs and prance around, good for them.
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Whoa, easy on there. I am simply pointing out the realities of this sordid industry.
You can rationalize your 'love' of the sport anyway you want to...If that's what makes you feel better about yourself.
Bottom line, if you enjoy a sport that is centered around the viewing of 'near naked oiled up men in thongs' then good for you. Just don't try and find ways to 'duck and weave' this obvious homo-erotic fascination.
Be true to yourself. I am not attacking your innate-latent-homosexuality!
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if you read my post, you'd see i'm not ducking and weaving those comments. infact, i agree about some of them. but seeing the entire sport as a whole as one big gay strip-tease show, is what i disagree with. but you're entitled to your own view on the sport.
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Whoa, easy on there. I am simply pointing out the realities of this sordid industry.
You can rationalize your 'love' of the sport anyway you want to...If that's what makes you feel better about yourself.
Bottom line, if you enjoy a sport that is centered around the viewing of 'near naked oiled up men in thongs' then good for you. Just don't try and find ways to 'duck and weave' this obvious homo-erotic fascination.
Be true to yourself. I am not attacking your innate-latent-homosexuality!
1.) do you like watching bodybuilding?
2.) how much sport team's were you on, past the age of 12?
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Yes, a very predictable defense mechanism; diverting the attention from the obvious difficulty of acknowleging your underlying homo-erotic-fixations.
I am not attacking the qualities that make you a man.
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Yes, a very predictable defense mechanism; diverting the attention from the obvious difficulty of acknowleging your underlying homo-erotic-fixations.
I am not attacking the qualities that make you a man.
1.) do you like watching bodybuilding?
2.) how much sport team's were you on, past the age of 12?
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3. as above, I acknowledge that some of the bbers are gay themselves, and almost all of them are viewed as sex symbols by the gay community. that's only natural.
Rusty Jeffers is the only current bodybuilder recognized by the gay community, and that's because he was a gay icon long before he became a competition bodybuilder. yet, he's straight. married with a grown daughter.
Will Harris is not viewed as a sex symbol. Nor is Kai Greene.
Like with the straight community, most gays know nothing of competition bodybuilding. most would see it as a freak show, just like the straight community.
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Rusty Jeffers is the only current bodybuilder recognized by the gay community, and that's because he was a gay icon long before he became a competition bodybuilder. yet, he's straight. married with a grown daughter.
Will Harris is not viewed as a sex symbol. Nor is Kai Greene.
Like with the straight community, most gays know nothing of competition bodybuilding. most would see it as a freak show, just like the straight community.
yes, very true. i knew that statement would probably be incorrect, but with many gay icons being quite muscely and the success of sites like musclegallery, i thought it would also equate to pros. someone said the pros were more idolised in the 80's. it may have been you, Tim, but i'm sure you would agree with that statement anyway.
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However, the ticket sales are up ( record # at the arnold this yr) .
The NOC was in a 5000 seat theater, now the NY Pro is in a 1300 seat community college auditorium. The Ironman use to be in a 4000 seat theater, now in a convention center side room with 1200 folding chairs. the Colorado pro and Keystone played to empty houses. Toronto gone, Montreal gone, Bay area (sf/sj/sac) gone. No shows in Europe.
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hank wood ...the dr laura of bodybuilding
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The NOC was in a 5000 seat theater, now the NY Pro is in a 1300 seat community college auditorium. The Ironman use to be in a 4000 seat theater, now in a convention center side room with 1200 folding chairs. the Colorado pro and Keystone played to empty houses. Toronto gone, Montreal gone, Bay area (sf/sj/sac) gone. No shows in Europe.
Nice spin... the NOC never had 5,000 people at it, the Ironman never had 4,000 people at it...some shows are gone, new one's take their place (Houston Pro, Tampa Pro, AC Pro, 202 classes at 4 shows including the Olympia...3 shows in Europe being developed and added to the schedule for this year.
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Nice spin... the NOC never had 5,000 people at it, the Ironman never had 4,000 people at it...some shows are gone, new one's take their place (Houston Pro, Tampa Pro, AC Pro, 202 classes at 4 shows including the Olympia...3 shows in Europe being developed and added to the schedule for this year.
the beacon has a 4800 capacity oh brother
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the beacon has a 4800 capacity oh brother
and sold out both prejudging and finals.
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Hank don't overly concern yourself with this stuff. You sound like your worried sick.
Let it go. Anywho I am sure there will be no IFBB within 4 years.
Obviously no money in it. Nothing can be done. It's over, get on with your life, Menzer has.
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Yes, many feel that the IFBB's monopoly on the sport is coming to an end. Quite frankly i dont think many would be sad if the IFBB was to fold.
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Yes, many feel that the IFBB's monopoly on the sport is coming to an end. Quite frankly i dont think many would be sad if the IFBB was to fold.
1.) do you like watching bodybuilding?
2.) how much sport team's were you on, past the age of 12?
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1.) do you like watching bodybuilding?
2.) how much sport team's were you on, past the age of 12?
he was captain of the Chess Club 4 years running.
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Hank it sounds as if you may have already started the fire into Drug use and Abuse in IFBB Pro competition.The one reason media will go near it is because Arnold still has some involvement.IFBB Drug test= No Fukin Drug test. ::)