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Reading that made me sick to my stomach.
People better wake the hell up.
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The secretary of state said the US shot down that plane.
What does that have to do with a durka memorial?
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What does that have to do with a durka memorial?
Nothing. Before any memorial is built, in my opinion, the families should know what really happened. If the plane was shot down in another area, the memorial should be built there. Remember, not a single body or major piece of plane was found - 1st time in history, since it supposedly nosedived. The NBC chopper who got to the crater first videotaped it - completely empty gash in the earth. Like the plane vaporized.
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Nothing. Before any memorial is built, in my opinion, the families should know what really happened. If the plane was shot down in another area, the memorial should be built there. Remember, not a single body or major piece of plane was found - 1st time in history, since it supposedly nosedived. The NBC chopper who got to the crater first videotaped it - completely empty gash in the earth. Like the plane vaporized.
Maybe the aliens that regularly anal probe xxxLinda beamed it up. :P
Someone should ask Tom Cruise.
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Actually, making it about scientology or UFOs does a great disservice to the victims.
You have the Sec of Defense saying the plane was shot down.
You have a crash scene which, 10 min after the plane crashed, had no plane, no fire, no bodies. Not a drop of blood. No tails, or engines, which are usually intact in nosedown crashes.
I mean, you can put something there describing an event that happened there... but realize the nation's top military mind and immediate video evidence say the event isn't how the memorial would portray it.
If you don't care about facts, by all means, have a go at it!
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Actually, making it about scientology or UFOs does a great disservice to the victims.
You have the Sec of Defense saying the plane was shot down.
You have a crash scene which, 10 min after the plane crashed, had no plane, no fire, no bodies. Not a drop of blood. No tails, or engines, which are usually intact in nosedown crashes.
I mean, you can put something there describing an event that happened there... but realize the nation's top military mind and immediate video evidence say the event isn't how the memorial would portray it.
If you don't care about facts, by all means, have a go at it!
Stay on target, Red Five.
Durka symbols at the Flight 93 Memorial.
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oh ok. screw them and their emotions. Go USA. They can go to that side of the world and be offended.
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Actually, making it about scientology or UFOs does a great disservice to the victims.
You have the Sec of Defense saying the plane was shot down.
You have a crash scene which, 10 min after the plane crashed, had no plane, no fire, no bodies. Not a drop of blood. No tails, or engines, which are usually intact in nosedown crashes.
I mean, you can put something there describing an event that happened there... but realize the nation's top military mind and immediate video evidence say the event isn't how the memorial would portray it.
If you don't care about facts, by all means, have a go at it!
That is some weird shit,huh? I dont see how some people just shrug it off like nothing??
BTW 240. Was that an actual flight with real people on it? I havent looked into what the relatives have said regarding the absolute vaporizing of the plane and bodies. If it was one of my family id die trying to get the truth and expose it.
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I don't see why, if we shot it down, what the big deal is, based on what was happening that day.
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I don't see why, if we shot it down, what the big deal is, based on what was happening that day.
If we shot it down where is the plane and bodies? Do you read at all? 240s post makes sense.
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I don't claim to know anything - I claim that the NBC helicopter showed a blank hole - youtube shows it. Also Rummy said 'shot down over penn' - youtube has that too.
If we shot it down, that means that 1/4 of the 911 commission report was a complete lie.
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I don't claim to know anything - I claim that the NBC helicopter showed a blank hole - youtube shows it. Also Rummy said 'shot down over penn' - youtube has that too.
If we shot it down, that means that 1/4 of the 911 commission report was a complete lie.
i was just asking if youve looked into it. Seems to me the relatives would be fuming mad if these were real people lost??
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If u hit a plane with an AMRAAM or whatever...who knows. Its not that big a deal. I'm pretty sure the plane crashed as it did.
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If u hit a plane with an AMRAAM or whatever...who knows. Its not that big a deal. I'm pretty sure the plane crashed as it did.
Come on the blast would have been visible for miles. If it hit the ground then the policy of the faa is to investigate for days. 10 minutes after blast, news crews fly over and a crater is all they see.
Keep explaining, its all good.
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The secretary of state said the US shot down that plane.
no he didn't
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no he didn't
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Was it an official statement or a mis-speak?
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Was it an official statement or a mis-speak?
Your a gawd damn comi loven redneck troll.
Oooooppppps I mis-spoke. That was easy. :D
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Your a gawd damn comi loven redneck troll.
Oooooppppps I mis-spoke. That was easy. :D
He meant to say: UFO's shoot them down.
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He meant to say: UFO's shoot them down.
Hahaha, call him and let him know.
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the plane was seen going down on radar you stupid fuck. no other plane was on radar.
then you complain because the other ones wernt shot down, yet your pissed because this one supposedly was.
oh ya, the whole FAA got secretly paid. they're keeping their mouths shut. they each received millions of dollars to be quiet ::)
your talking to a former cop. you think i was never asked for a bribe? you think a dealer never made me an offer to keep quiet? you think an organized crime member never asked me to turn my head, or stay away from a certain area at a certain time, and i would be taken care of? well i did. and every time, i'd turn them in. and i put my life at risk in doing so.
you cannot simply pay someone off to keep quiet. the first person to say no and your plan is fucked.
if i had 100% undeniable proof that the government had nothing to do with 911. ill bet my life 240 would be disappointed. that says a lot about his stance and motivation on this subject. when you WANT to believe something its hard not too.
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I don't see why, if we shot it down, what the big deal is, based on what was happening that day.
exactly. why wouldnt the governemnt say it was hijacked and it was the only way to stop it?
makes sence doesnt it? no need for a coverup when you have a perfect reason to do it.
dont put it past these stupid fucks from overthinking this one
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Props to w8tlftr, the rest of you are fucking rejects.
The topic of this thread is mutually exclusive of any discussion of conspiracy theories, but alas, not a single on of you holds enough brains cells to have an adequate IQ to realise that that nonsense should be in a separate thread.
Thanks again 240 for hijacking a thread. Now fuckoff trailer trash.
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nah, i'd be very happy if 19 pricks were able to
- bring down building 7
- cover up the money trail
- halt all investigations before 911
- buy a great deal of put options
But I'm guessing they didn't. maybe some small group, certainly not our govt. This ignorant statement is attributed to 911 truth people... they just want an investigation. most don't believe some silly thing that 'the whole govt' did it. But did an FAA supervisor destroy tapes? Yes, he admitted it under oath. Did norad dit on their hands for 45 minutes afte plane 1 reported hijacked? Yes, they admitte it under oath.
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I don't care about memorials at this point in my life.
I also think that the guy doing the islamic deconstruction of the memorial has too much time on his hands.
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240, pathetic and Decker, your ignorant liberalism is perverse.
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240, pathetic and Decker, your ignorant liberalism is perverse.
2/3 of Americans, and a higher % worldwide, happen to share this pathetic belief that the biggest crime in history should be investigated.
The UN and Japanese parliament members are now calling for an investigation. I guess they're all pathetic too, huh? In a year or two when the UN starts to analyze radar data from that day from all over the world and sees something that doesn't match the official story, I guess they're pathetic too, huh?
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....Decker, your ignorant liberalism is perverse.
Your nonsequitur tells me a lot about you.
First you don't make sense with your ungrammatical statements.
Second you're lousy with insults.
And last, I don't care about memorials or some whack-job blogger that sees islamic threats in memorials.
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nah, i'd be very happy if 19 pricks were able to
- bring down building 7
- cover up the money trail
- halt all investigations before 911
- buy a great deal of put options
But I'm guessing they didn't. maybe some small group, certainly not our govt. This ignorant statement is attributed to 911 truth people... they just want an investigation. most don't believe some silly thing that 'the whole govt' did it. But did an FAA supervisor destroy tapes? Yes, he admitted it under oath. Did norad dit on their hands for 45 minutes afte plane 1 reported hijacked? Yes, they admitte it under oath.
19 guys take over 4 airplanes. 2 crash into the wtc's. one crashes into a field, the other into the pentegon. that can be laid out in a simple plane, which can be acomplished by those 19 people. go through a joke of a security system with weapons capable of overtaking a few pilots. fly the planes into buildings.
compare that to
Within eight months of taking office, President Bush planned and executed the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil with the full cooperation (and unbroken silence) of the U.S. military, intelligence community, and airline industry. Eight months. This, by a government that traditionally measures achievement and progress in geologic time.
The silence of the thousands of military & civilian authorities who must have been involved in order to pull off such a widespread conspiracy and the silence of the true witnesses and recovery/cleanup volunteers can be easily explained by the government buying their silence. Thousands. And it's worked perfectly, since nobody actually part of the conspiracy has stepped forward.
Top Pentagon officials suspiciously and abruptly cancelled travel plans on Sept. 10 for the next morning, apparently due to security concerns, so they were obviously part of the plot. They cancelled their travel so they could stay where it was safe. In their office building. In the Pentagon.
If it took longer than eight months to plan, then--omigosh--the Clinton administration must have planned out the whole thing. Whoa. this is much bigger than I thought. No wonder Bill is so quick to criticize the "Truthers."
If the 9-11 Commission report is flawed or incomplete, it obviously means that the attacks were orchestrated by the United States, not that the report was simply...flawed. Or incomplete.
Popular Mechanics is obviously part of the conspiracy.
The U.S. is actually quite popular worldwide; so much so, in fact, that its government must create artificial terrorist organizations to attack it. Left to their own devices, everybody else pretty much respects Americans and leaves them alone.
It takes the complacency or cooperation of the world's largest superpower to hijack a defenseless civilian aircraft.
If you believe what your government tells you about 9-11, you are part of the conspiracy or, at least, part of "the problem." But if you accuse people at all levels of the government, including the U.S. military, of planning and carrying out the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil, killing thousands of civilians, then you are a patriot.
The large fireballs seen at the WTC impacts look like napalm explosions, so it was probably a napalm bomb that actually caused the damage. Of course, napalm being jellied fuel, and jet aircraft being full of fuel, you can see the vast difference there.
The WTC towers fell in what was obviously a controlled demolition. The largest, messiest, deadliest, most witnessed, most mismanaged, most ill-timed, most poorly executed, and most uncontrolled controlled demolition in history.
Even though our civilian airliner pilots had been trained to cooperate with hijackers and not try to physically resist, and even though short knives and box cutters were allowed in carry-on luggage, we shouldn't believe the absurd claim that four or five strong and very determined men armed with knives and a fanatic eagerness to die killing Americans could take over an unlocked cockpit.
Several of the hijackers are still alive, and apparently are living well.
The government planted explosives at the exact aircraft impact sites of the Pentagon and both WTC towers, the explosives and activity surrounding their placement went completely unnoticed, the rigging of the explosives was unharmed by the aircraft impacts and subsequent infernos, and they went off exactly when planned.
Somehow orchestrating the hijacking of multiple airliners to have them crash at explosive-rigged sites was more effective than just setting off the explosives by themselves in the first place.
Those plane crashes were like so totally fake cuz they were so totally unlike all the real fiery passenger jet crashes into buildings I've seen in real life.
When you refer to the planes, say "alleged aircraft." When referring to the terrorists, say "alleged terrorists." Because not only can we not be sure they even existed, but also, "alleged" has such a nice, objective ring to it.
The plane-shaped holes in the WTC towers were an absurdity, like a cat-shaped hole in a fence in a Tom and Jerry cartoon, because the planes would have either smashed to pieces against the building and fallen straight down to the street below, or flown right through the building (making a cartoon-like hole) and emerged out the other side relatively intact.
Cries of "Death to America!" and "America is the Great Satan!" by Islamic extremists are all part of our government's plan for world domination. Left to themselves, the so-called "extremists" are actually quite pleasant, simple folk (but very good actors).
The rigged explosives in the upper floors of WTC2 were powerful enough to collapse a skyscraper, but not powerful enough to instantly kill Kevin Cosgrove, on floor 105, who was talking on the phone with a fire dispatcher and managed to blurt out three words between the time of the "explosion" and the collapse that killed him.
The meandering directions of the hijacked aircrafts' flight paths were all part of well-planned routes, and not due to the terrorist pilots flying and navigating a large, real, multi-engine passenger jet for the first time.
Our service men and women chose not to shoot down the planes or protect the Pentagon and WTC because they were part of the conspiracy, and they're not speaking out because they've been bought off. Better still, NORAD actually sent the remote-controlled aircraft into their targets.
A black helicopter was hovering over the WTC South Tower before, during, and after the crashes, and the floor that was on fire the most must have had barrels and barrels of a crude oil-diesel mixture that was remotely ignited to ensure a hiding place for the helicopter which is the only thing that could explain black sooty smoke coming from an office building filled with office supplies, and the people working on that floor didn't notice the barrels and barrels of oil and went about their daily routine, and nobody working security or janitorial in the building noticed black-suited men rolling barrels of crude oil on the elevators, all to hide the black helicopter because we all know what black helicopters do. Seriously!
If a large, thin-skinned aircraft impacts the side of a thick concrete building at 400mph, and only small pieces of the aircraft are found outside on the lawn, then it's obvious the pieces were planted there, and a plane didn't crash at all.
The shape of the Pentagon and the approach path of the aircraft are Illuminati symbols. 'Nuff said.
Although the 1993 WTC bombing was obviously the work of terrorists, the idea that the 2001 attacks were perpetrated by terrorists is ludicrous.
Because the shape of the impact holes in the WTC towers and the Pentagon don't match what I think the shape of the planes should be, then it must have been some other type of craft that did the damage, in spite of all of the eyewitness reports and physical evidence to the contrary. Which means that, since the alleged hijacked aircraft are, indeed, missing, and the passengers on said aircraft are, indeed, missing, then the government must have landed those passenger jets in secret somewhere, removed the people, killed them, dismembered them, sprinkled their remains around the crash sites somehow, and destroyed/hid the aircraft somewhere else. Masterful. Much more convincing than just actually crashing the planes into the buildings in the first place.
The same nefarious conspirators that pulled off the single largest concerted suicide attack in history forgot to make a hole in the Pentagon to help fake the airliner impact site.
The images and other references of the WTC on pre-9-11 terrorism reports and books reveals a casual, open foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks, and in no way could possibly ever ever refer to the largest pre-9-11 foreign terrorist attack on U.S. soil, the 1993 WTC parking garage bombing.
Of course, if the shadow government could pull off the 9-11 attacks, then plotting the 1993 WTC attack would have been child's play.
Incompetence, being unprepared, not foreseeing events, rushed decisions, finger pointing, blame trading, and hysteria equal "conspiracy."
More information only muddles "the truth:" The most accurate and complete reports of any disaster are from selections of the first hurried reports, not from more complete, thoughtful analysis and more thorough eyewitness reports that come later.
Of all the types of aircraft described by witnesses at the WTC and Pentagon, we should choose to believe only the ones that fit our theories, not the ones that describe actual planes that are missing that contained actual passengers who are missing and whose body parts and DNA were found at the crash sites and whose planes were tracked to impact.
When some eyewitnesses at the WTC describe a really big noise as an "explosion," we should believe them, and not our own eyes that saw floors pancaking on each other, ejecting debris out the windows. And we should believe their assessment of the "explosions" because, you know, of their experience discriminating between the sounds of some of the tallest skyscrapers in the world collapsing and explosions 80 stories up.
When we hear witnesses describing "something like a bomb going off" in the Pentagon, we should ignore subsequent (and concurrent) eyewitness reports of a rather large passenger jet flying into exactly the same spot, and ignored reports and photos of engines, landing gear, other aircraft parts, aircraft passengers, and other debris being found on and in the site, and absolutely no evidence of any explosive.
When pointing out how a B-25 flew into the Empire State Building in 1945, but the building easily survived and didn't collapse, we should disregard how much smaller the B-25 is than a 767, the amount of fuel that each contains, and that the ESB was constructed largely of concrete (like, say, the Pentagon).
Any videos of the crashes that surface more than a day or two after the event are obviously computer-generated fakes, because the time it took to create the fake videos explains why they weren't immediately released. Because everyone knows that if someone takes home video of a disaster, they run straight to a media outlet to share it with the rest of the world.
The same government conspirators who plotted this complex event didn't prepare fake videos ahead of time. They waited until the events happened to prepare the computer-generated fakery, which delayed their release until a cloud of suspicion could fall on their authenticity.
No buildings in history ever fell because of fire until 9-11. And if the WTC towers were the first modern, steel structures to collapse by fire, it is not a testament to the intelligent engineering put into the design of skyscrapers in general, but only evidence that the WTC was brought down by other means. No, I don't mean by airplanes filled with thousands of pounds of fuel ramming into them, I mean by a bomb.
Steel supports must liquify at their melting point of 3000°F in order to weaken and fail, and everything that metalurgists and engineers have told us about heat of only about 700°Fweakening steel is false, and for thousands of years, metal workers like blacksmiths and armorers have just had it all wrong, because they only needed large blast furnaces, spigots, and molds to form horseshoes, swords, and plowshares from liquid metal, and they didn't need a hammer and anvil, as you see in Hollywood movies' special effects.
If a large plane crashes into a large skyscraper and starts a raging fire inside, then a woman later waves from the outside edge of a lower part of the huge jagged entry hole, then that's proof that the fire inside isn't actually all that hot.
Although a simple concrete barrier can sucker punch a dump truck to a dead stop and virtually atomize a fighter jet, we should expect the impact site of a passenger jet on the world's largest reinforced concrete building to be marked by a plane-shaped hole in the wall.
When actor Charlie Sheen says that the U.S. government was behind the attacks, and that "We're not the conspiracy theorists on this particular issue," we should believe him because he is a "highly credible public figure" who is a star on the current hit comedy show "Two and a Half Men." And his stammering, "The more you look at stuff, especially specific incidents, specific events, in or around the fateful day, it just-- it just raises a lot of questions" makes you realize just how articulate he is, and how Tom "You don't know...psychiatry--I do" Cruise could take debating pointers from him.
Most of the WTC towers' exterior was glass; most of the Pentagon's exterior was thick concrete. Naturally, we should expect them to be affected by aircraft impacts the same way.
If there is disagreement on the approach angle and bank of the plane hitting the Pentagon in an official report and from online bloggers, then we can safely assume that the plane, in fact, did not exist.
When pointing out how the FAA rule allowing pilots to fly armed was rescinded two months before 9-11, we should ignore the fact that at the time, no pilots were taking advantage of the rule, and we should not jump to the conclusion that the repeal is any different than businesses or schools banning employees from carrying firearms.
It doesn't make sense that remains of the hijackers and passengers, who hit the sides of mostly open-spaced office buildings at hundreds of miles an hour and ejected out the other side, were some of the first remains discovered, and not under thousands of tons of rubble straight down. The body parts must have been planted on streets, on the roofs of buildings, and through broken windows by burglars. Or something.
If people aren't listening to my theories, then maybe shouting them in eye-searing hot pink will do the trick.
Disagreement between government reports and eyewitness accounts do not mean that the individuals witnessed the same event; they only mean that the accounts that don't agree with my paranoid point of view are lies as part of the government cover-up, are mass hallucinations, or, just to be thorough, both.
Since verbose, difficult-to-read scientific reports contradict my claims of conspiracy, I'll use a different approach: Nothing says "Science" like lots of photos, drawings, and short captions in a PowerPoint or Flash animation backed by spooky "conspiracy music."
If video is poor quality, or with low frame rates (like with a surveilance film), it must be fake.
The WTC towers fell straight down (more or less), which proves that it was a controlled demolition. If it were a true building falling down, it would have fallen over like a popsicle stick.
Although video clearly shows smoke and debris being blown out the pancaking WTC upper floors as the floors collapse against each other, but video of planned, controlled building demolitions clearly shows bright flashes of explosions before the building begins collapsing, the explosives planted in the towers must be some new super-secret kind because the explosive effect obviously goes back in time and starts the collapse of the building before the explosions throw stuff out the windows. So now there's the whole "Government Stuff Can Travel Through Time" consipiracy, and don't get me started.
George W. Bush is at once America's most deviously intelligent autocrat and its most stupidest president ever.
When an eyewitness describes a loud sound or strong, sudden vibration as "like a bomb," it means unequivocally that it was a bomb, because, you know, people have so much experience identifying bomb noises versus nearby passenger jet crashes.
If I am on the faculty of a university, and I use the university's good name and my position in the university as a crutch to substantiate my claims of a 9-11 mega-conspiracy, expecting my learned colleagues to believe and support me, I will get a harsh dose of reality when I am slapped down to administrative leave as my continued employment at said university is reconsidered.
99.9% of the world's top engineers, architects, physicists, and chemists are all wrong, and I am right, because I read the Intarweb and I am so smart.
If I repeat the same absurd claims enough times, they will become truth: There are over 6.5 billion people in the world, and about 1.1 billion of those people use the Internet. Chances are, I could claim anything on the Web, and at a million-to-one odds, over a thousand people would believe me. In the age of the Internet, that makes me an expert.
I can't be wrong because thousands of people believe my theories. But you can be wrong even though hundreds of millions believe you, because we all know there are millions of stupid people in the world.
Any information that comes from the government is suspect, because everybody knows that "the government" is one vast conspiracy utterly controlled by a small number of evil-doers, not made up of millions of honest, hard-working people, at all levels of bureaucracy, of all ages, of all parties, of all walks of life, each fighting in their own way for truth, justice, and the American way.
The jets that crashed were not piloted by hijackers, but by "advanced robotics and remote-control technology." So the video footage of "men of middle-eastern descent" boarding each of the aircraft was falsified, the cockpit voice recordings were falsified, the ground service crew, mechanics, and flight crew of the four aircraft didn't notice any of the advancedroboticsandremot econtroltechnology while prepping the aircraft, body parts of known terrorists were planted at the crash sites, the live phone conversations between crew, passengers, and their loved ones on the ground were implanted memories and falsified recordings, and the Flight 93 passengers actually wrestled with some hidden robotic equipment, not terrorists.
"The 9/11 hijacking attacks were very likely facilitated by a rogue group within the US government that created an Islamic terrorist 'Pearl Harbor' event as a catalyst for the military invasion of Middle Eastern countries." You know, because that strategy has worked so well in the past. And no it is not shameful to mention "conspiracy" and "Pearl Harbor" in the same breath.
The government has a track record of blowing up its own buildings to push its own nefarious agenda, like they did in the Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 WTC attack, because, you know, those attacks enabled the government to, you know,... do stuff, and stuff. So you can see this isn't a new idea for them.
If I cave in to the majority and concede that the planes did, in fact, exist, then quibbling about the degrees of bank or impact angles or other meaningless trifles will somehow vindicate me.
If other conspiracy theorists make claims that are later widely disbelieved even in the conspiracy theory community, then it's not that fellow conspiracy theorists are wrong, it's that it was sinister counter-intelligence trying to undermine the "9/11 truth movement" with claims so absurd that it compromises the efficacy of the whole. Seriously.
Confusion of timelines and action reports at the time of the largest modern enemy attack on the United States were intentionally deceptive, and not the result of actual confusion, inconsistent memories, or finger pointing that usually accompany failures of intelligence.
The 9-11 attacks and the related misinformation/propaganda campaign were designed by the government to precipitate the lingering war in Iraq, so that we could get thousands of our men and women killed and thousands of Iraqi civilians killed to make the U.S. more popular and make the current administration more popular, which has worked like a charm.
The Pentagon fire owed much of its smoke to an emergency generator near the crash site that was remotely detonated, it's suspicious that an emergency generator would have a large extra fuel tank next to it, and the WTC was only made of steel and concrete, with little to no combustible materials inside like carpet, desks, electronics and electrical cables, cubicle walls, file cabinet contents, storage rooms, and pens.
When an "earwitness" to the Flight 93 crash claims she didn't hear a crash, but instead heard "an explosion, like an atomic bomb," we should believe her, because of her experience discriminating between the sounds of large passenger jets hitting the ground at high speed and the detonation of atomic weapons.
Cory Lidle's plane crash into an apartment building proves that the WTC should have survived a similar attack. Because although both planes were vastly different in size, mass, fuel load, and speed, and although the buildings were vastly different in structure, they both happened in New York City.
It's somehow productive to pontificate ad nauseum about whether there was a napalm bomb, or a missile, or a pod, or a whatever, attached under a passenger jet, since we all know how much more explosive power would be added by attaching something like that to a civilian jet already full of thousands of pounds of fuel.
It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that any web pages that poke fun at conspiracy theories are a part of the conspiracy itself. Surely no right-thinking person could doubt and preach against the conspiracies by their own free will.
If I e-mail the author of a web site that pokes fun at my conspiracy theories, I will write masterfully persuasive arguments for several pages, taking an entire evening of my time, making the text flow juuust right, and when he gets the e-mail he will read it all and will naturally be persuaded to see the error of his ways. After seeing how much work I put into it, he wouldn't just delete it without reading past the first ranting line. He just wouldn't.
People will see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. Because rubbing someone's face in their own absurd beliefs only makes them close their eyes tighter, the claims in this list will continue to be believed by many. To all others: May our future rest in your capable hands.
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you're doing it again, kh300.
your scenario blames bush and some big govt conspiracy.
I don't believe that happened. You go find someone who believes that, and use that post on them.
I believe some unknown group helped those 19 pricks. An investigation may lead to those unknown groups.
kh300, please, don't fall into the ignorant trap of labeling everyone an anti-govt jerk, just because they would like a major crime fully investigated.
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Guys, we can always start yet another CT thread.
You're all missing big picture about the link I provided. It's just another example of the west placating Islam and that's a very very dangerous thing.
I'm sure a lot of posters here would be all up in arms if it the memorial had subliminal Christian or Jewish references.
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19 guys take over 4 airplanes. 2 crash into the wtc's. one crashes into a field, the other into the pentegon. that can be laid out in a simple plane, which can be acomplished by those 19 people. go through a joke of a security system with weapons capable of overtaking a few pilots. fly the planes into buildings.
compare that to
Within eight months of taking office, President Bush planned and executed the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil with the full cooperation (and unbroken silence) of the U.S. military, intelligence community, and airline industry. Eight months. This, by a government that traditionally measures achievement and progress in geologic time.
The silence of the thousands of military & civilian authorities who must have been involved in order to pull off such a widespread conspiracy and the silence of the true witnesses and recovery/cleanup volunteers can be easily explained by the government buying their silence. Thousands. And it's worked perfectly, since nobody actually part of the conspiracy has stepped forward.
Top Pentagon officials suspiciously and abruptly cancelled travel plans on Sept. 10 for the next morning, apparently due to security concerns, so they were obviously part of the plot. They cancelled their travel so they could stay where it was safe. In their office building. In the Pentagon.
If it took longer than eight months to plan, then--omigosh--the Clinton administration must have planned out the whole thing. Whoa. this is much bigger than I thought. No wonder Bill is so quick to criticize the "Truthers."
If the 9-11 Commission report is flawed or incomplete, it obviously means that the attacks were orchestrated by the United States, not that the report was simply...flawed. Or incomplete.
Popular Mechanics is obviously part of the conspiracy.
The U.S. is actually quite popular worldwide; so much so, in fact, that its government must create artificial terrorist organizations to attack it. Left to their own devices, everybody else pretty much respects Americans and leaves them alone.
It takes the complacency or cooperation of the world's largest superpower to hijack a defenseless civilian aircraft.
If you believe what your government tells you about 9-11, you are part of the conspiracy or, at least, part of "the problem." But if you accuse people at all levels of the government, including the U.S. military, of planning and carrying out the largest terrorist attack on U.S. soil, killing thousands of civilians, then you are a patriot.
The large fireballs seen at the WTC impacts look like napalm explosions, so it was probably a napalm bomb that actually caused the damage. Of course, napalm being jellied fuel, and jet aircraft being full of fuel, you can see the vast difference there.
The WTC towers fell in what was obviously a controlled demolition. The largest, messiest, deadliest, most witnessed, most mismanaged, most ill-timed, most poorly executed, and most uncontrolled controlled demolition in history.
Even though our civilian airliner pilots had been trained to cooperate with hijackers and not try to physically resist, and even though short knives and box cutters were allowed in carry-on luggage, we shouldn't believe the absurd claim that four or five strong and very determined men armed with knives and a fanatic eagerness to die killing Americans could take over an unlocked cockpit.
Several of the hijackers are still alive, and apparently are living well.
The government planted explosives at the exact aircraft impact sites of the Pentagon and both WTC towers, the explosives and activity surrounding their placement went completely unnoticed, the rigging of the explosives was unharmed by the aircraft impacts and subsequent infernos, and they went off exactly when planned.
Somehow orchestrating the hijacking of multiple airliners to have them crash at explosive-rigged sites was more effective than just setting off the explosives by themselves in the first place.
Those plane crashes were like so totally fake cuz they were so totally unlike all the real fiery passenger jet crashes into buildings I've seen in real life.
When you refer to the planes, say "alleged aircraft." When referring to the terrorists, say "alleged terrorists." Because not only can we not be sure they even existed, but also, "alleged" has such a nice, objective ring to it.
The plane-shaped holes in the WTC towers were an absurdity, like a cat-shaped hole in a fence in a Tom and Jerry cartoon, because the planes would have either smashed to pieces against the building and fallen straight down to the street below, or flown right through the building (making a cartoon-like hole) and emerged out the other side relatively intact.
Cries of "Death to America!" and "America is the Great Satan!" by Islamic extremists are all part of our government's plan for world domination. Left to themselves, the so-called "extremists" are actually quite pleasant, simple folk (but very good actors).
The rigged explosives in the upper floors of WTC2 were powerful enough to collapse a skyscraper, but not powerful enough to instantly kill Kevin Cosgrove, on floor 105, who was talking on the phone with a fire dispatcher and managed to blurt out three words between the time of the "explosion" and the collapse that killed him.
The meandering directions of the hijacked aircrafts' flight paths were all part of well-planned routes, and not due to the terrorist pilots flying and navigating a large, real, multi-engine passenger jet for the first time.
Our service men and women chose not to shoot down the planes or protect the Pentagon and WTC because they were part of the conspiracy, and they're not speaking out because they've been bought off. Better still, NORAD actually sent the remote-controlled aircraft into their targets.
A black helicopter was hovering over the WTC South Tower before, during, and after the crashes, and the floor that was on fire the most must have had barrels and barrels of a crude oil-diesel mixture that was remotely ignited to ensure a hiding place for the helicopter which is the only thing that could explain black sooty smoke coming from an office building filled with office supplies, and the people working on that floor didn't notice the barrels and barrels of oil and went about their daily routine, and nobody working security or janitorial in the building noticed black-suited men rolling barrels of crude oil on the elevators, all to hide the black helicopter because we all know what black helicopters do. Seriously!
If a large, thin-skinned aircraft impacts the side of a thick concrete building at 400mph, and only small pieces of the aircraft are found outside on the lawn, then it's obvious the pieces were planted there, and a plane didn't crash at all.
The shape of the Pentagon and the approach path of the aircraft are Illuminati symbols. 'Nuff said.
Although the 1993 WTC bombing was obviously the work of terrorists, the idea that the 2001 attacks were perpetrated by terrorists is ludicrous.
Because the shape of the impact holes in the WTC towers and the Pentagon don't match what I think the shape of the planes should be, then it must have been some other type of craft that did the damage, in spite of all of the eyewitness reports and physical evidence to the contrary. Which means that, since the alleged hijacked aircraft are, indeed, missing, and the passengers on said aircraft are, indeed, missing, then the government must have landed those passenger jets in secret somewhere, removed the people, killed them, dismembered them, sprinkled their remains around the crash sites somehow, and destroyed/hid the aircraft somewhere else. Masterful. Much more convincing than just actually crashing the planes into the buildings in the first place.
The same nefarious conspirators that pulled off the single largest concerted suicide attack in history forgot to make a hole in the Pentagon to help fake the airliner impact site.
The images and other references of the WTC on pre-9-11 terrorism reports and books reveals a casual, open foreknowledge of the 9-11 attacks, and in no way could possibly ever ever refer to the largest pre-9-11 foreign terrorist attack on U.S. soil, the 1993 WTC parking garage bombing.
Of course, if the shadow government could pull off the 9-11 attacks, then plotting the 1993 WTC attack would have been child's play.
Incompetence, being unprepared, not foreseeing events, rushed decisions, finger pointing, blame trading, and hysteria equal "conspiracy."
More information only muddles "the truth:" The most accurate and complete reports of any disaster are from selections of the first hurried reports, not from more complete, thoughtful analysis and more thorough eyewitness reports that come later.
Of all the types of aircraft described by witnesses at the WTC and Pentagon, we should choose to believe only the ones that fit our theories, not the ones that describe actual planes that are missing that contained actual passengers who are missing and whose body parts and DNA were found at the crash sites and whose planes were tracked to impact.
When some eyewitnesses at the WTC describe a really big noise as an "explosion," we should believe them, and not our own eyes that saw floors pancaking on each other, ejecting debris out the windows. And we should believe their assessment of the "explosions" because, you know, of their experience discriminating between the sounds of some of the tallest skyscrapers in the world collapsing and explosions 80 stories up.
When we hear witnesses describing "something like a bomb going off" in the Pentagon, we should ignore subsequent (and concurrent) eyewitness reports of a rather large passenger jet flying into exactly the same spot, and ignored reports and photos of engines, landing gear, other aircraft parts, aircraft passengers, and other debris being found on and in the site, and absolutely no evidence of any explosive.
When pointing out how a B-25 flew into the Empire State Building in 1945, but the building easily survived and didn't collapse, we should disregard how much smaller the B-25 is than a 767, the amount of fuel that each contains, and that the ESB was constructed largely of concrete (like, say, the Pentagon).
Any videos of the crashes that surface more than a day or two after the event are obviously computer-generated fakes, because the time it took to create the fake videos explains why they weren't immediately released. Because everyone knows that if someone takes home video of a disaster, they run straight to a media outlet to share it with the rest of the world.
The same government conspirators who plotted this complex event didn't prepare fake videos ahead of time. They waited until the events happened to prepare the computer-generated fakery, which delayed their release until a cloud of suspicion could fall on their authenticity.
No buildings in history ever fell because of fire until 9-11. And if the WTC towers were the first modern, steel structures to collapse by fire, it is not a testament to the intelligent engineering put into the design of skyscrapers in general, but only evidence that the WTC was brought down by other means. No, I don't mean by airplanes filled with thousands of pounds of fuel ramming into them, I mean by a bomb.
Steel supports must liquify at their melting point of 3000°F in order to weaken and fail, and everything that metalurgists and engineers have told us about heat of only about 700°Fweakening steel is false, and for thousands of years, metal workers like blacksmiths and armorers have just had it all wrong, because they only needed large blast furnaces, spigots, and molds to form horseshoes, swords, and plowshares from liquid metal, and they didn't need a hammer and anvil, as you see in Hollywood movies' special effects.
If a large plane crashes into a large skyscraper and starts a raging fire inside, then a woman later waves from the outside edge of a lower part of the huge jagged entry hole, then that's proof that the fire inside isn't actually all that hot.
Although a simple concrete barrier can sucker punch a dump truck to a dead stop and virtually atomize a fighter jet, we should expect the impact site of a passenger jet on the world's largest reinforced concrete building to be marked by a plane-shaped hole in the wall.
When actor Charlie Sheen says that the U.S. government was behind the attacks, and that "We're not the conspiracy theorists on this particular issue," we should believe him because he is a "highly credible public figure" who is a star on the current hit comedy show "Two and a Half Men." And his stammering, "The more you look at stuff, especially specific incidents, specific events, in or around the fateful day, it just-- it just raises a lot of questions" makes you realize just how articulate he is, and how Tom "You don't know...psychiatry--I do" Cruise could take debating pointers from him.
Most of the WTC towers' exterior was glass; most of the Pentagon's exterior was thick concrete. Naturally, we should expect them to be affected by aircraft impacts the same way.
If there is disagreement on the approach angle and bank of the plane hitting the Pentagon in an official report and from online bloggers, then we can safely assume that the plane, in fact, did not exist.
When pointing out how the FAA rule allowing pilots to fly armed was rescinded two months before 9-11, we should ignore the fact that at the time, no pilots were taking advantage of the rule, and we should not jump to the conclusion that the repeal is any different than businesses or schools banning employees from carrying firearms.
It doesn't make sense that remains of the hijackers and passengers, who hit the sides of mostly open-spaced office buildings at hundreds of miles an hour and ejected out the other side, were some of the first remains discovered, and not under thousands of tons of rubble straight down. The body parts must have been planted on streets, on the roofs of buildings, and through broken windows by burglars. Or something.
If people aren't listening to my theories, then maybe shouting them in eye-searing hot pink will do the trick.
Disagreement between government reports and eyewitness accounts do not mean that the individuals witnessed the same event; they only mean that the accounts that don't agree with my paranoid point of view are lies as part of the government cover-up, are mass hallucinations, or, just to be thorough, both.
Since verbose, difficult-to-read scientific reports contradict my claims of conspiracy, I'll use a different approach: Nothing says "Science" like lots of photos, drawings, and short captions in a PowerPoint or Flash animation backed by spooky "conspiracy music."
If video is poor quality, or with low frame rates (like with a surveilance film), it must be fake.
The WTC towers fell straight down (more or less), which proves that it was a controlled demolition. If it were a true building falling down, it would have fallen over like a popsicle stick.
Although video clearly shows smoke and debris being blown out the pancaking WTC upper floors as the floors collapse against each other, but video of planned, controlled building demolitions clearly shows bright flashes of explosions before the building begins collapsing, the explosives planted in the towers must be some new super-secret kind because the explosive effect obviously goes back in time and starts the collapse of the building before the explosions throw stuff out the windows. So now there's the whole "Government Stuff Can Travel Through Time" consipiracy, and don't get me started.
George W. Bush is at once America's most deviously intelligent autocrat and its most stupidest president ever.
When an eyewitness describes a loud sound or strong, sudden vibration as "like a bomb," it means unequivocally that it was a bomb, because, you know, people have so much experience identifying bomb noises versus nearby passenger jet crashes.
If I am on the faculty of a university, and I use the university's good name and my position in the university as a crutch to substantiate my claims of a 9-11 mega-conspiracy, expecting my learned colleagues to believe and support me, I will get a harsh dose of reality when I am slapped down to administrative leave as my continued employment at said university is reconsidered.
99.9% of the world's top engineers, architects, physicists, and chemists are all wrong, and I am right, because I read the Intarweb and I am so smart.
If I repeat the same absurd claims enough times, they will become truth: There are over 6.5 billion people in the world, and about 1.1 billion of those people use the Internet. Chances are, I could claim anything on the Web, and at a million-to-one odds, over a thousand people would believe me. In the age of the Internet, that makes me an expert.
I can't be wrong because thousands of people believe my theories. But you can be wrong even though hundreds of millions believe you, because we all know there are millions of stupid people in the world.
Any information that comes from the government is suspect, because everybody knows that "the government" is one vast conspiracy utterly controlled by a small number of evil-doers, not made up of millions of honest, hard-working people, at all levels of bureaucracy, of all ages, of all parties, of all walks of life, each fighting in their own way for truth, justice, and the American way.
The jets that crashed were not piloted by hijackers, but by "advanced robotics and remote-control technology." So the video footage of "men of middle-eastern descent" boarding each of the aircraft was falsified, the cockpit voice recordings were falsified, the ground service crew, mechanics, and flight crew of the four aircraft didn't notice any of the advancedroboticsandremot econtroltechnology while prepping the aircraft, body parts of known terrorists were planted at the crash sites, the live phone conversations between crew, passengers, and their loved ones on the ground were implanted memories and falsified recordings, and the Flight 93 passengers actually wrestled with some hidden robotic equipment, not terrorists.
"The 9/11 hijacking attacks were very likely facilitated by a rogue group within the US government that created an Islamic terrorist 'Pearl Harbor' event as a catalyst for the military invasion of Middle Eastern countries." You know, because that strategy has worked so well in the past. And no it is not shameful to mention "conspiracy" and "Pearl Harbor" in the same breath.
The government has a track record of blowing up its own buildings to push its own nefarious agenda, like they did in the Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 WTC attack, because, you know, those attacks enabled the government to, you know,... do stuff, and stuff. So you can see this isn't a new idea for them.
If I cave in to the majority and concede that the planes did, in fact, exist, then quibbling about the degrees of bank or impact angles or other meaningless trifles will somehow vindicate me.
If other conspiracy theorists make claims that are later widely disbelieved even in the conspiracy theory community, then it's not that fellow conspiracy theorists are wrong, it's that it was sinister counter-intelligence trying to undermine the "9/11 truth movement" with claims so absurd that it compromises the efficacy of the whole. Seriously.
Confusion of timelines and action reports at the time of the largest modern enemy attack on the United States were intentionally deceptive, and not the result of actual confusion, inconsistent memories, or finger pointing that usually accompany failures of intelligence.
The 9-11 attacks and the related misinformation/propaganda campaign were designed by the government to precipitate the lingering war in Iraq, so that we could get thousands of our men and women killed and thousands of Iraqi civilians killed to make the U.S. more popular and make the current administration more popular, which has worked like a charm.
The Pentagon fire owed much of its smoke to an emergency generator near the crash site that was remotely detonated, it's suspicious that an emergency generator would have a large extra fuel tank next to it, and the WTC was only made of steel and concrete, with little to no combustible materials inside like carpet, desks, electronics and electrical cables, cubicle walls, file cabinet contents, storage rooms, and pens.
When an "earwitness" to the Flight 93 crash claims she didn't hear a crash, but instead heard "an explosion, like an atomic bomb," we should believe her, because of her experience discriminating between the sounds of large passenger jets hitting the ground at high speed and the detonation of atomic weapons.
Cory Lidle's plane crash into an apartment building proves that the WTC should have survived a similar attack. Because although both planes were vastly different in size, mass, fuel load, and speed, and although the buildings were vastly different in structure, they both happened in New York City.
It's somehow productive to pontificate ad nauseum about whether there was a napalm bomb, or a missile, or a pod, or a whatever, attached under a passenger jet, since we all know how much more explosive power would be added by attaching something like that to a civilian jet already full of thousands of pounds of fuel.
It goes without saying (but I'll say it anyway) that any web pages that poke fun at conspiracy theories are a part of the conspiracy itself. Surely no right-thinking person could doubt and preach against the conspiracies by their own free will.
If I e-mail the author of a web site that pokes fun at my conspiracy theories, I will write masterfully persuasive arguments for several pages, taking an entire evening of my time, making the text flow juuust right, and when he gets the e-mail he will read it all and will naturally be persuaded to see the error of his ways. After seeing how much work I put into it, he wouldn't just delete it without reading past the first ranting line. He just wouldn't.
People will see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe. Because rubbing someone's face in their own absurd beliefs only makes them close their eyes tighter, the claims in this list will continue to be believed by many. To all others: May our future rest in your capable hands.
According to 240, that is completely feasible and wouldn't be out of the ordinary nor hard to accomplish. :-X
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According to 240, that is completely feasible and wouldn't be out of the ordinary nor hard to accomplish. :-X
why are you making shit up?
5 of the 10 911 commissioners have called for a new investigation. There is new evidence.
period.
You can scream that 240 believes this or that. but it only makes you look dumb. Yes, I was very confused when I first learned about it. But today I believe some small group helped the 19 pricks. You can make fun of me, but using fiction to do it only belittles yourself.
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why are you making shit up?
5 of the 10 911 commissioners have called for a new investigation. There is new evidence.
period.
You can scream that 240 believes this or that. but it only makes you look dumb. Yes, I was very confused when I first learned about it. But today I believe some small group helped the 19 pricks. You can make fun of me, but using fiction to do it only belittles yourself.
I'm not making fun of you. Can you explain who would be pulling the strings on this "small group"?
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I'm not making fun of you. Can you explain who would be pulling the strings on this "small group"?
I. Have. No. Fcking. Clue.
But a second investigation, as 5 of the 911 commissioners (including the two chairmen) have said is certainly needed.
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I'm not making fun of you. Can you explain who would be pulling the strings on this "small group"?
See, you're asking me to "suppose" or start guessing. This will allow others to make fun of guesses. I have no clue who would help them or why.
Are you aware of the many republicans who have said we need another investigation? Members of Reagan and Bush1/2's own cabinet, for pete's sake.
It's not a partisan thing. FOX news has said "911 truthers hate bush" but it's not true. I'm a lifelong repub who agrees with the repub members of the 911 commission who say we need an investigation.
Hell, they never even identified what caused WTC7 to collapse. They promised a report 2 years ago. Never came. There is no official story there, man
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Do you really think that an "investigation" would be able to dig up anything about or uncover who's running this special group? I doubt it.
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Do you really think that an "investigation" would be able to dig up anything about or uncover who's running this special group? I doubt it.
i have no clue. maybe it's no group at all. maybe some dick at the FAA and some douche at norad are simply incompetent.
if that's the case, they shouldn't still have a job, wouldn't you agree?
if a norad kid didn't follow protocol - waiting 45 min exactly before doing anything - then lied and got caught - shouldn't he be fired?
if a FAA supervisor destroyed a record of all FAA actions that AM - actually admitted cutting up the tape into little pieces and throwing into trash cans all over building - shouldn't be be fired?
It might be simple incompetence. But it's incomeptence that let 2900 people die. Are you okay with that?
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i have no clue. maybe it's no group at all. maybe some dick at the FAA and some douche at norad are simply incompetent.
if that's the case, they shouldn't still have a job, wouldn't you agree?
if a norad kid didn't follow protocol - waiting 45 min exactly before doing anything - then lied and got caught - shouldn't he be fired?
if a FAA supervisor destroyed a record of all FAA actions that AM - actually admitted cutting up the tape into little pieces and throwing into trash cans all over building - shouldn't be be fired?
It might be simple incompetence. But it's incomeptence that let 2900 people die. Are you okay with that?
Nope. I was focusing more on the fact that you've been hooting and hollering for God knows how long about how it was all a planned event.
I wouldn't expect an investigation to dig up any "special group" that wouldn't exist and probably wouldn't be known to more than a handful of people but sure, exposing some incompetencies would be ok with me.
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Nope. I was focusing more on the fact that you've been hooting and hollering for God knows how long about how it was all a planned event.
It was a planned event. 19 assholes planned it. The Q is, how did they get NORAD and FAA employees to do illegal things that morning?
I wouldn't expect an investigation to dig up any "special group" that wouldn't exist and probably wouldn't be known to more than a handful of people but sure, exposing some incompetencies would be ok with me.
The 911 commissioners know more about this stuff than an of us... and they want one. They are willing to shit on their own historical document and call it "a whitewash"... that speaks volumes. You would think they'd defend it big time... but they have publicly stated that a lot of info was not given to them - things that would change the outcome of the report.
Some 911 kids are obnoxious, blaming Bush, etc. I don't do that. It's ignorant. All I'd like to see is another investigation. So would 67% of Americans. The original report was incomplete, and many many people have come fwd with more info.
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you're doing it again, kh300.
your scenario blames bush and some big govt conspiracy.
I don't believe that happened. You go find someone who believes that, and use that post on them.
I believe some unknown group helped those 19 pricks. An investigation may lead to those unknown groups.
kh300, please, don't fall into the ignorant trap of labeling everyone an anti-govt jerk, just because they would like a major crime fully investigated.
show me where it mentions bush aside from the first sentence. think outside the box for once. use some logic instead of preconceived notions of what you want to believe. what i posted is fact about what would have happend if it was a planned coverup and what you refuse to acknowledge.
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It was a planned event. 19 assholes planned it. The Q is, how did they get NORAD and FAA employees to do illegal things that morning?
The 911 commissioners know more about this stuff than an of us... and they want one. They are willing to shit on their own historical document and call it "a whitewash"... that speaks volumes. You would think they'd defend it big time... but they have publicly stated that a lot of info was not given to them - things that would change the outcome of the report.
Some 911 kids are obnoxious, blaming Bush, etc. I don't do that. It's ignorant. All I'd like to see is another investigation. So would 67% of Americans. The original report was incomplete, and many many people have come fwd with more info.
as you can see from recent events with american and southwest airlines, the FAA is a total fucked up organization.
what did norad do wrong?
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kh300,
norad changed procedure that day - didn't intercept as they had 100 times in the calendaryear before 911. They held the information for 45 minutes, didn't end any of the drills, then lied about it before the 911 commission. FAA phone records showed they got the call at 8:16 AM then again at 821 and 826.
NORAD didn't act, as was their job. They waited - did nothing - then acted 45 min later.
Maybe it's complicit malfeasance in the death of 3000 people. Maybe it's just being a shitty employee, and he was on the cell with his girl fighting about the lipstick on his collar.
A second 911 commission would show that. And it'll happen - whether we do it here, or if the UN does it, as they are now starting.
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kh300,
norad changed procedure that day - didn't intercept as they had 100 times in the calendaryear before 911. They held the information for 45 minutes, didn't end any of the drills, then lied about it before the 911 commission. FAA phone records showed they got the call at 8:16 AM then again at 821 and 826.
NORAD didn't act, as was their job. They waited - did nothing - then acted 45 min later.
Maybe it's complicit malfeasance in the death of 3000 people. Maybe it's just being a shitty employee, and he was on the cell with his girl fighting about the lipstick on his collar.
A second 911 commission would show that. And it'll happen - whether we do it here, or if the UN does it, as they are now starting.
there you go again. complain why the planes wernt shot down. then claim conspericy that one was. i dont get it.
norad didnt have radar protecting the inside of this country. all threats were perceived to be coming from outside our boarders. i dont know what is so hard to understand about that. i guess since it doesnt fit into your objective it cant be true.
there was a shitty old stop light at the end of my street. sometimes it didnt even work. that lasted until one night it shut off and caused 2 people to die in a head on crash. now the problem got fixed. no need for 20 investigations
you used to be able to get medicine, open it right up. until some asshole began filling them with poison, screwing the lid back on, putting it back on the shelf. now you have a safety seal to see if it was tampered. problem solved
you used to be able to hijack an airplane. we used to have shitty airport security, we used to have unlocked cockpit doors, we used to have shitty surveillance and intelligence. that lasted until 19 assholes killed 3000 people.
now were the drug companys selling medicine without a safety seal incompetent? or did they not realize the risk until a tragic event took place?
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norad didnt have radar protecting the inside of this country. all threats were perceived to be coming from outside our boarders.
Incorrect. Many of the drills they were running at the exact same time faked domestic hijackings. NORAD chose not to turn off those drills for 45 minutes, even though protocol called for it.
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Incorrect. Many of the drills they were running at the exact same time faked domestic hijackings. NORAD chose not to turn off those drills for 45 minutes, even though protocol called for it.
i know the answer to this. but can you tell me what was the protocal, and if it was possible to follow the procedure.
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no, there is a great book that breaks down the 911 commission statement on norad... i could retype it...
but, ya know what?
You said last week that you don't care if that was a missile on the bottom of the plane.
you don't give a shit what happened on 911, so arguing with you isn't worth the time to spend 45 min retying it all.
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how did they manage to fly the planes with such precision?
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no, there is a great book that breaks down the 911 commission statement on norad... i could retype it...
but, ya know what?
You said last week that you don't care if that was a missile on the bottom of the plane.
you don't give a shit what happened on 911, so arguing with you isn't worth the time to spend 45 min retying it all.
your taken that statement out of context. i dont care about that argument because it couldnt get that far. i was making the point that a hint of a plan to do this would have leaked well before a plane was deverted, sent to some unknown place, while another plane was flown into the buildings.
i dont give a shit what happend on 911? IM A FEDERAL AIR MARSHALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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how did they manage to fly the planes with such precision?
what precision? the precision you were told about in loose change? lol
the government must have landed those passenger jets in secret somewhere, removed the people, killed them, dismembered them, sprinkled their remains around the crash sites somehow, and destroyed/hid the aircraft somewhere else. Much more convincing than just actually crashing the planes into the buildings in the first place.
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i know, and i appreciate what you do for the country. I understand what youre saying, and I don't think the whole plane diversion thing makes sense... I have no clue what plane did what - but I do remember Lou Dobbs on CNN pointing out NORAD's lie on the 911 stand. He was pissed. Then he was suspended for 3 weeks right afterwards.
dude, a lot of people have a lot of theories. i used to be a loon, talking about how 'it MUST HAVE BEEN THIS or THAT", etc. That was silly. I was talking out of my ass. The more I read about 911, the more confusing it became. I stopped thinking about it for 6 months. When I looked at it again, there had been literally hundreds of military personnell and govt officials that have come fwd and said there needs to be a new investigation.
I realized that they know way more about this stuff than I can learn on CT sites. I stopped reading CT sites, and read what these folks wrote. There are a lot of unanswered Qs. There are many folks that have come fwd. I used to get so worked up, it's not healthy. I can't change anything. There will be an investigation whenever the govt (ours or the UN) decides to do it. Period.
I don't mean to belittle what you do. It shocked me when taht CNN footage didn't make you say "oh shit!". I thought you of all people would say "WTF is on that plane"?
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they could barely fly light aircraft, how were they able to manually fly a 767
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Where was the fvckin plane and bodyparts at pentagon and penn state.
Whys the hole in the pentagon 60 ft wide when a boeing 757 is 124 feet wide and was said to be parked ass deep in the building.
Any explanations.
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(http://www.debunking911.com/conspiracy.jpg)
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Where was the fvckin plane and bodyparts at pentagon and penn state.
Whys the hole in the pentagon 60 ft wide when a boeing 757 is 124 feet wide and was said to be parked ass deep in the building.
Any explanations.
Did you expect half the plane sticking out of the building?
Do you know how planes are made and what they are made of?
Here an example of a military transport that crashed in to a building in Tehran
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/crash_tehran_cp_9060144.jpg)
Was that a conspiracy to because we can't see a hole the size of the plane in the building?
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051206/n_iran_crash_051206.vsmall.jpg)
By the way it was a c-130 that hit the building.
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Here's what that plane looks like:
(http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/c-130_1.jpg)
People reported that it was like an earthquake
does that mean it was a conspiracy by God who enacted an earthquake and wanted to cover it up as a plane crash?
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They should rebuild the WTC Towers 1 & 2 to spec in the desert and crash two planes into them. Only to see the results. I bet, it wouldn't be the same outcome.
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they could barely fly light aircraft, how were they able to manually fly a 767
Taking off and landing is the hard part. they went to flight school. flying the plane isn't that hard. If Microsoft Flight simulator is even 25% accurate which pilots will tell you it's much more, i took a 747 and flew it under the SF bay bridge and landed it the first on my first try.
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Did you expect half the plane sticking out of the building?
Do you know how planes are made and what they are made of?
Here an example of a military transport that crashed in to a building in Tehran
(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/pix/crash_tehran_cp_9060144.jpg)
Was that a conspiracy to because we can't see a hole the size of the plane in the building?
(http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051206/n_iran_crash_051206.vsmall.jpg)
By the way it was a c-130 that hit the building.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051206/n_iran_crash_051206.vsmall.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10346431/&h=111&w=148&sz=4&hl=en&start=16&tbnid=ISR3mbnIhQVrcM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplane%2Bcrashes%2Bin%2Bbuilding%2Btehran%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Video/051206/n_iran_crash_051206.vsmall.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10346431/&h=111&w=148&sz=4&hl=en&start=16&tbnid=ISR3mbnIhQVrcM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplane%2Bcrashes%2Bin%2Bbuilding%2Btehran%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)
Here's what that plane looks like:
(http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/c-130_1.jpg)
People reported that it was like an earthquake
does that mean it was a conspiracy by God who enacted an earthquake and wanted to cover it up as a plane crash?
That building may have absorbed a plane. But the pentagon hole was at ground level and less than half as log as the 757.
Do you believe it and all evidence vaporized immediatly , leaving not one trace of evidence?
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That building may have absorbed a plane. But the pentagon hole was at ground level and less than half as log as the 757.
Do you believe it and all evidence vaporized immediatly , leaving not one trace of evidence?
There wasn't "not one trace of evidence" there was quite a bit of evidence.
And don't you mean half as wide?
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There wasn't "not one trace of evidence" there was quite a bit of evidence.
um - that 'quite a bit' excluded all bodies, luggage, tail sections, wings, and engines.
you had enough remaining to fill the back of a pickup truck.
You use "quite a bit" to describe about 1% that remained of the plane. Come on Oz, usually you're very accurate with numbers. "quite a bit" - can you show us the pile? It was small.
Anyway, if 1% of the 911 story is a lie, we need a new investigation. If you believe 100% of the story, then you already believe more than the actual 911 commissioners do ;) When the authors of a document tell me its false, I tend to believe them.
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um - that 'quite a bit' excluded all bodies, luggage, tail sections, wings, and engines.
you had enough remaining to fill the back of a pickup truck.
You use "quite a bit" to describe about 1% that remained of the plane. Come on Oz, usually you're very accurate with numbers. "quite a bit" - can you show us the pile? It was small.
Anyway, if 1% of the 911 story is a lie, we need a new investigation. If you believe 100% of the story, then you already believe more than the actual 911 commissioners do ;) When the authors of a document tell me its false, I tend to believe them.
First of all do you have a list of all the wreckage found?
Secondly we are talking about evidence, not just wreckage.
Thirdly, we are talking about a plane full of fuel that impacted the ground/building at 400+ mph. I'm not surprised very little is left.
Fourthly, we've already many times established where i stand on an investigation.
Fourthly point onely. I don't for one second think it was a missle that hit the pentagon.
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Thirdly, we are talking about a plane full of fuel that impacted the ground/building at 400+ mph.
The plane never touched the ground. The fact you would write that tells me you havent studied the impact hole, and the fact that windowframes and walls on all 4 sides of it were still intact.
Also, did you see the nice perfect hole that was carved through 6 walls (3 inner walls and 3 outer walls) by the "object"?
This plane, we're told, retained enough mass and integrity for its carbon nosecone to punch out the entry and exit holes from all 3 outer rings, at which point it - *** - VAPORIZED!
The only thing that remained was the object the men in ties carried out minutes later under a blue tarp, never to be mentioned in the 911 commission. Look at this hole - official govt pic - this is the hole the plane made as it exited the SIXTH recently reinfoced wall. At this point, after carving a perfect hole thru brick, it supposedly vaporized.
(http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0004b_Passage_Missile_Pentagon.jpg)
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Now, here is the ENTRY hole. You'll see what a Boeing 757 should have looked like entering the building. Look at the perfectly intact walls around the impact zone, where wings should have been.
(http://www.911lies.org/911_pentagon_attack_damage.jpg)
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So you have the strongest building in the world. Something hit it. 85 videotapes are missing.
A tight hole in. A tight hole out. A tight hole thru 3 rings (6 new walls total).
No bodies are found. no engines, no tail, no wings. They all "vaporized" - but SOMEHOW retained the crisp momentum and speed and mass to slice 6 perfect holes thru a brick/steel building.
All the reporters could ask for the first 4 days... "Where is the plane, Secretary Rummy? Why is there zero evidence of a plane"? Remember CNN's jamie macintyre, the reporter who walked over to the hole immediately ater impact "I see ZERO evidence of a plane... it's just a hole!"
Believe what you'd like, ozmo. I don't konw what hit it. But in my opinion, it just doesn't look like a plane.
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So you have the strongest building in the world. Something hit it. 85 videotapes are missing.
I agree. I'd like to see all 85 tapes. I 'd bet when we do see them a large number of them 2/3 at least will be inconsequential.
A tight hole in. A tight hole out. A tight hole thru 3 rings (6 new walls total).
did you look at the pics of the building in Tehran?
what's the official explanation for the hole?
Obviously it's not the strongest building int he world and it was impacted by jet full of fuel.
AND i didn't say just ground, i said ground/building
No bodies are found. no engines, no tail, no wings. They all "vaporized" - but SOMEHOW retained the crisp momentum and speed and mass to slice 6 perfect holes thru a brick/steel building.
There were plenty of engine parts all over the place.
the tail and wings and bodies? I'm not surprised they all vaporized. It was a plane full of jet fuel for heaven sakes.
Like i asked before: did you expect the plane halfway out fo the building?
Even in the face of other evidence (Tehran) that proves how these things result you still go on about this?
All the reporters could ask for the first 4 days... "Where is the plane, Secretary Rummy? Why is there zero evidence of a plane"? Remember CNN's jamie macintyre, the reporter who walked over to the hole immediately ater impact "I see ZERO evidence of a plane... it's just a hole!"
Again zero evidence of a plane IS NOT TRUE!
and yeah, they are reporters, not engineers.
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine1.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine2.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine3.jpg)
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/pentagon-engine4.jpg)
Zero evidence? ::) Are we back to spinning facts again?
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sorry for the zero extreme - enough debris to fit into a pickup truck.
And there's a great debate about that being a MB engine, not a boeing, but who knows.
Neither of us are scientists, and we're not going to solve anything here. You believe a plane can hit, and leave an entry hole like that, and an exit hole like that, after penetrating 3 of the toughest buildings in history. I don't think they can. Carbon nosecone. Plus, we're sposed to believe the wings, engine, tail all vaporized (hence didn't even break windows) but the narrow soft body of the plane punched those holes in the building.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.
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sorry for the zero extreme - enough debris to fit into a pickup truck.
And there's a great debate about that being a MB engine, not a boeing, but who knows.
Neither of us are scientists, and we're not going to solve anything here. You believe a plane can hit, and leave an entry hole like that, and an exit hole like that, after penetrating 3 of the toughest buildings in history. I don't think they can. Carbon nosecone. Plus, we're sposed to believe the wings, engine, tail all vaporized (hence didn't even break windows) but the narrow soft body of the plane punched those holes in the building.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree here.
240 there's a building that was hit by a c-130, and the wings and engine and such all disappeared also.
and the engine parts DO match.
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240 there's a building that was hit by a c-130, and the wings and engine and such all disappeared also.
I've seen that clip - the plane fcking shreds, as it should.
But there was no hole sliced thru feet and feet of brick, over and over, was there?
That hole is the smoking gun, my friend. You can't have the plane shred AND have the perfect hole sliced thru 3 of the toughest buildings on the planet.
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I've seen that clip - the plane fcking shreds, as it should.
But there was no hole sliced thru feet and feet of brick, over and over, was there?
That hole is the smoking gun, my friend. You can't have the plane shred AND have the perfect hole sliced thru 3 of the toughest buildings on the planet.
Was the c-130 full of fuel?
Was the c-130 going the same speed?
This is why people like us do what we do. We are not engineers.
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also 240 only a certain amount of parts in the engines have the strength not to vaporize in that kind of heat. The turbines being one of them.