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Chris Mathews of Hardball (can you name a more politically connected guy?) believes it will be this man.
Look at him - 100% conservative rating, young, good-looking, strong economic base, armed services committee.
A family man. Worked under Reagan. Knows energy (ethanol!) and transportation. No scandals. Knows how to raise money. Defeated Tom Daschle! Only drawback - he is very very religious, which might not work well with independetn voters.
I cannot think of a better running mate. Best part? He's Obama's age!
John Randolph Thune (born January 7, 1961) is the Republican junior U.S. Senator from the state of South Dakota.
Born and raised in South Dakota, Thune attended college in Los Angeles, California at Biola University before returning to his home state to obtain a graduate degree at the University of South Dakota. He worked as a legislative aid to U.S. Senator James Abdnor and served in the Reagan Administration in the Small Business Administration, before winning election to the House of Representatives in 1996. After three terms in the House, he unsuccessfully challenged Democrat Tim Johnson in the U.S. Senate race in 2002, losing by a mere 524 votes (0.15%). Thune was elected to the Senate two years later, defeating the incumbent Democrat and serving Senate Minority Leader, Tom Daschle, in a historic race that received national media attention.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/John_Thune_official_photo.jpg/160px-John_Thune_official_photo.jpg)
Early life and family
Thune was born in Pierre, South Dakota to Yvonne Patricia Bodine and Harold Richard Thune. Thune's paternal grandfather was an immigrant from Norway who partnered with his brother to start Thune Hardware stores in Mitchell and Murdo, South Dakota.[1] He was raised in the small-town of Murdo, South Dakota. A committed evangelical Christian, Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an evangelical college in Los Angeles, California, in 1983.[2] Thune received an MBA from the University of South Dakota in 1984. He and his wife Kimberley, who is from Doland, South Dakota, have two daughters, Brittany and Larissa.
[edit] Political career
A member of the Republican Party, Thune worked as a legislative assistant for U.S. Senator James Abdnor. Under President Reagan, Thune worked at the Small Business Administration.
Thune was appointed Railroad Director of South Dakota by Governor George S. Mickelson and served from 1991-1993.
[edit] House of Representatives
In 1996, Thune was elected to South Dakota's lone seat in the United States House of Representatives; he won reelection in 1998 and in 2000 was reelected with over 70% of the vote. Thune supported term limits and promised to serve no more than three terms in the House.
Keeping his pledge, Thune instead ran for the United States Senate, challenging Senator Tim Johnson in 2002, and losing by 524 votes (0.15%). Ultimately, Thune decided not to pursue a recount, although there were allegations of vote fraud by Democrats.[3]
Between 2002-2004 Thune worked as a lobbyist for the Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern Railroad.[4]
[edit] 2004 Senate race
In 2004, he again ran for the Senate, this time challenging incumbent Tom Daschle, at the time the United States Senate Minority Leader and leader of the Senate Democrats.
The race was the most expensive Senate race in 2004, with $30 million spent,[5] and the most expensive in South Dakota history. It was widely followed in the national media. Thune — along with Senate Minority Leader Bill Frist, President of the United States George W. Bush, and Vice President Dick Cheney — painted Daschle as the "chief obstructionist" of Bush's agenda: "Thune was able to criticize “Daschle for serving incompatible masters,” and portray him, as Frist did when he came to South Dakota to campaign for Thune, as a partisan obstructionist and political heir to liberal icon and former Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota.[6]
Daschle's critics charged the Democrat with using filibusters to block confirmation of several of Bush's nominees to the federal judiciary, and being out of step with the views of South Dakota voters on other political and social issues: "The GOP had targeted Daschle, the Senate minority leader, claiming he had been the chief obstruction to President Bush on such issues as tax cuts, judicial nominees and the war in Iraq."[7] Thune emphasized social issues such as abortion and same sex marriage, and flag burning to highlight the differences between his views and Daschle's, stating, "Two-thirds of the people in South Dakota are in favor of protecting marriage through a Federal Marriage Amendment. You know, two-thirds of the people in South Dakota, probably higher than that, are in favor of an amendment to protect the American flag. You know, the Second Amendment, gun owners' rights, abortion -- those are not wedge issues in South Dakota."[8]
In addition, Thune drove home his strong support for the war: in a nationally televised debate on NBC's Meet the Press, Thune accused Daschle of "emboldening the enemy" by stating President Bush had "failed miserably" to avoid the Iraq war.[9]
When the race began in early 2004, Daschle led by 7 points in January and February. By May, his lead minimized to just 2 points and into the summer polls showed an effective tie. Throughout September, Daschle led Thune by margins of 2-5%; from October until the November 2 election, most polls showed Thune and Daschle tied 49-49 among likely voters.
On November 2, 2004, Thune defeated Daschle by 4,508 votes, winning 51% of the vote and became a well-known Republican figure in the U.S. Senate. Daschle's loss was the first ousting of a serving Senate Majority or Minority Leader since 1952, when Arizona Senator Ernest McFarland lost his seat to Barry Goldwater.
[edit] Senate service
Thune was chosen to be the GOP's Chief Deputy Whip. He also serves on the Senate's Agriculture, Commerce, and Armed Services Committees.
Soon after arriving in the Senate, Thune wrote language into a transportation bill expanding the pot of federal loan money for small railroads, enabling his former client to apply for $2.5 billion in government financing for its project.[10]
As a U.S. Senator, Thune also took a leading role in formulating energy policy. He pushed for the final passage of a comprehensive energy bill, which finally overcame a series of Democratic filibusters and passed the Senate in 2005. Thune helped pass another energy bill in late 2007. Thune is a particular advocate of ethanol and wind energy, which are linked to South Dakota's high levels of corn production and its windy prairies. Thune's hometown of Murdo is considered one of the windiest towns in the nation.
Thune, along with South Dakota's senior Senator Tim Johnson, was also faced with the challenge of keeping Ellsworth Air Force Base in Box Elder, South Dakota (near Rapid City) open after the Department of Defense announced plans to close the base as part of its 2005 round of base closures. The Pentagon announced that it planned to move all of Ellsworth's B-1 bombers to Dyess Air Force Base in Texas. Ellsworth Air Force Base is one of South Dakota's largest employers, and a critical component of the state's economic well-being, making it necessary for the state's political leaders to fight for its continued existence. Senator Thune, along with Senator Tim Johnson (D), lobbyied Washington, specifically the Defense Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) Commission, to keep Ellsworth open. In their lobbying efforts, they argued that it made little sense to consolidate all of the nation's B-1s in a single location due to the risk of a single attack or tornado taking out the fleet. Also, it was discovered that the Pentagon may have overlooked a lawsuit that possibly prevented B-1 pilots at Dyess from engaging in adequate training. While the fate of Dyess was still in the air, Thune declared that he had strong doubts about issues such as John Bolton's nomination as United Nations ambassador, "I've said all along that I'm going to play whatever cards I have to get the best possible outcome I can for my base," he is reported as saying.[11] Ultimately, the BRAC Commission voted 8-1 to reverse the Pentagon's recommendation to close Ellsworth.[12]
[edit] Political philosophy
John Thune is a Christian conservative.[13]
The American Conservative Union gave Senator Thune a rating of "100" in 2006.[14]
Thune's religious faith is also an important component of his political philosophy. He has stated, "Having a Christian worldview shapes my decision-making with respect to all aspects of my life. I always respect people in public life who are principled, and those principles have to be connected to something. And my faith is what serves as the anchor and directs my actions."[15] In June 2006, Thune reaffirmed his strong support to amend the United States Constitution to ban same sex marriages: "The federal marriage amendment debate simply is an opportunity for us to affirm our support for marriage...It is an important debate to have in this country."[16]
In a 2005 interview with Christianity Today, Thune supported invading Iraq, expressing a hope that this would result in greater religious freedom: "Liberating Iraq from decades of tyranny and dictatorship, bringing about political freedom, will create an atmosphere of where religious freedom will come to Iraq. And that opens the door, obviously, for the Christian faith there as well."[17]
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i'm finished with all these clowns, our country is in the toilet from 8 years of this criminal we have in office now and it ain't gonna change for years, 3.39 a gallon gas, 2.80 for a dozen eggs, housing market in the toilet, these criminals in Washington should be tried as the common thieves and criminals they are.
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Yes, even Get Patraeus admitted it's insane we're spending $12bil a month in iraq while they're earning $100 bil a year in oil profits and not even spending it on their own country's recounstruction.
Whoever gets the white house in 2008 will have to stop the BS spending and oil company abuses, if only to preserve their legacy and not be the guy behind the wheel when the truck crashes. Bush will keep the war at 100% and spending at 100% til he leaves office, he's already stated that. We can only hope the next person cuts the fat for a bit.
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Yes, even Get Patraeus admitted it's insane we're spending $12bil a month in iraq while they're earning $100 bil a year in oil profits and not even spending it on their own country's recounstruction.
Whoever gets the white house in 2008 will have to stop the BS spending and oil company abuses, if only to preserve their legacy and not be the guy behind the wheel when the truck crashes. Bush will keep the war at 100% and spending at 100% til he leaves office, he's already stated that. We can only hope the next person cuts the fat for a bit.
if we had any balls as citizens 25 million of us would march on Washington and demand that this bum be thrown out of office and arrested on the spot.
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3.39 a gallon gas,
I just paid $4.15/gallon
>:(
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i'm finished with all these clowns, our country is in the toilet from 8 years of this criminal we have in office now and it ain't gonna change for years, 3.39 a gallon gas, 2.80 for a dozen eggs, housing market in the toilet, these criminals in Washington should be tried as the common thieves and criminals they are.
Your understanding of the fundamental changes that have led us to our current state of affairs are on the level of a 35 year old soccer mom at best.
You would blame the captain when the titanic sunk, when in reality the iceberg has been in plain sight for all of the American people to see and over 80 years to change direction.
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if we had any balls as citizens 25 million of us would march on Washington and demand that this bum be thrown out of office and arrested on the spot.
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Your understanding of the fundamental changes that have led us to our current state of affairs are on the level of a 35 year old soccer mom at best.
You would blame the captain when the titanic sunk, when in reality the iceberg has been in plain sight for all of the American people to see and over 80 years to change direction.
hahahhahaa, this coming from a "man" still living in an apartment at age 31, epic 500 dollar a month rent payment and 1100 dollar a month car payment. ;D
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Yes, even Get Patraeus admitted it's insane we're spending $12bil a month in iraq while they're earning $100 bil a year in oil profits and not even spending it on their own country's recounstruction.
Whoever gets the white house in 2008 will have to stop the BS spending and oil company abuses, if only to preserve their legacy and not be the guy behind the wheel when the truck crashes. Bush will keep the war at 100% and spending at 100% til he leaves office, he's already stated that. We can only hope the next person cuts the fat for a bit.
if youre so against it why are you going to vote for the mccain fellow?
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Don't be fooled. He's a baby eating reptilian.
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if youre so against it why are you going to vote for the mccain fellow?
I'm not 100% decided yet... but there are currently a lot of unknowns about obama. We know how mccain will react to situations, like everyone else in DC. Obama might do an amazing job, or might drop the ball bigtime on things. I prefer to have a ballbuster running the show to get the best advantages for the USA. I'd just prefer the ballbuster not hand the nat'l treasury over to his buddies.
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i'm finished with all these clowns, our country is in the toilet from 8 years of this criminal we have in office now and it ain't gonna change for years, 3.39 a gallon gas, 2.80 for a dozen eggs, housing market in the toilet, these criminals in Washington should be tried as the common thieves and criminals they are.
it is shame that the politicians are selling out our country to foreign companies and governments
I kid you not, the Arabs and China own the majority our of financial instruments, we are literally in debt to these countries. So much so that we can't tell China anything for fear of them asking for payment of the debt. Citibank and others have sold their soul to the Arabs for pennies on the dollar.
China has a closed door policy, American companies are not allowed to sell/import products there. Also their mentally is to buy local first. Where as we are always looking for the cheapest product.
Any time we say anything to any arab country they lower their oil production thus driving prices to 4$/gallon at our pumps.
I could go on and on but in general we fat/lazy/stupid americans need to turn off MTV and wake the fuck up. We need to take pride in our country and "buy american".
McCain, Clinton or Obama at the end of the day they will only continue the policy that is killing America.
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the people in the US should rise up against the "special relationship" their government has with Israel to begin with.
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I hope McCain picks him because he'll hand Hillary or Obama the victory on a platter.
Thune won because South Dakota is an ultra-conservative state now when it used to be half and half.
Having him as a running mate will only lock up the Bible Belt but McCain already has that. Having him as a running mate will not improve his standings and even worse, he has undying support of the war which will practically send people running.
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I just paid $4.15/gallon
$3.99
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if we had any balls as citizens 25 million of us would march on Washington and demand that this bum be thrown out of office and arrested on the spot.
I agree. The biggest criminal to ever take office.
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Is he a Dan Quayle type?
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Having him as a running mate will not improve his standings and even worse, he has undying support of the war which will practically send people running.
Mccain thinks he can win the independent vote, and use a guy like this to rally the conservatives to vote for him. Mccain has quite a liberal record on a lot of issues - immigration especially. Mccain doesn't know much about economy - and ADMITTED it repeatedly.
And yes, this guy loves the war.
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Chris Mathews of Hardball (can you name a more politically connected guy?) believes it will be this man.
Look at him - 100% conservative rating, young, good-looking, strong economic base, armed services committee.
A family man. Worked under Reagan. Knows energy (ethanol!) and transportation. No scandals. Knows how to raise money. Defeated Tom Daschle! Only drawback - he is very very religious, which might not work well with independetn voters.
I cannot think of a better running mate. Best part? He's Obama's age!
John Randolph Thune (born January 7, 1961) is the Republican junior U.S. Senator from the state of South Dakota.
Born and raised in South Dakota, Thune attended college in Los Angeles, California at Biola University before returning to his home state to obtain a graduate degree at the University of South Dakota. He worked as a legislative aid to U.S. Senator James Abdnor and served in the Reagan Administration in the Small Business Administration, before winning election to the House of Representatives in 1996. After three terms in the House, he unsuccessfully challenged Democrat Tim Johnson in the U.S. Senate race in 2002, losing by a mere 524 votes (0.15%). Thune was elected to the Senate two years later, defeating the incumbent Democrat and serving Senate Minority Leader, Tom Daschle, in a historic race that received national media attention.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/John_Thune_official_photo.jpg/160px-John_Thune_official_photo.jpg)
Early life and family
Thune was born in Pierre, South Dakota to Yvonne Patricia Bodine and Harold Richard Thune. Thune's paternal grandfather was an immigrant from Norway who partnered with his brother to start Thune Hardware stores in Mitchell and Murdo, South Dakota.[1] He was raised in the small-town of Murdo, South Dakota. A committed evangelical Christian, Thune graduated with a B.A. degree in Business from Biola University, an evangelical college in Los Angeles, California, in 1983.[2] Thune received an MBA from the University of South Dakota in 1984. He and his wife Kimberley, who is from Doland, South Dakota, have two daughters, Brittany and Larissa.
[edit] Political career
A member of the Republican Party, Thune worked as a legislative assistant for U.S. Senator James Abdnor. Under President Reagan, Thune worked at the Small Business Administration.
Thune was appointed Railroad Director of South Dakota by Governor George S. Mickelson and served from 1991-1993.
[edit] House of Representatives
In 1996, Thune was elected to South Dakota's lone seat in the United States House of Representatives; he won reelection in 1998 and in 2000 was reelected with over 70% of the vote. Thune supported term limits and promised to serve no more than three terms in the House.
Keeping his pledge, Thune instead ran for the United States Senate, challenging Senator Tim Johnson in 2002, and losing by 524 votes (0.15%). Ultimately, Thune decided not to pursue a recount, although there were allegations of vote fraud by Democrats.[3]
Between 2002-2004 Thune worked as a lobbyist for the Dakota, Minnesota & Eastern Railroad.[4]
[edit] 2004 Senate race
In 2004, he again ran for the Senate, this time challenging incumbent Tom Daschle, at the time the United States Senate Minority Leader and leader of the Senate Democrats.
The race was the most expensive Senate race in 2004, with $30 million spent,[5] and the most expensive in South Dakota history. It was widely followed in the national media. Thune — along with Senate Minority Leader Bill Frist, President of the United States George W. Bush, and Vice President Dick Cheney — painted Daschle as the "chief obstructionist" of Bush's agenda: "Thune was able to criticize “Daschle for serving incompatible masters,” and portray him, as Frist did when he came to South Dakota to campaign for Thune, as a partisan obstructionist and political heir to liberal icon and former Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota.[6]
Daschle's critics charged the Democrat with using filibusters to block confirmation of several of Bush's nominees to the federal judiciary, and being out of step with the views of South Dakota voters on other political and social issues: "The GOP had targeted Daschle, the Senate minority leader, claiming he had been the chief obstruction to President Bush on such issues as tax cuts, judicial nominees and the war in Iraq."[7] Thune emphasized social issues such as abortion and same sex marriage, and flag burning to highlight the differences between his views and Daschle's, stating, "Two-thirds of the people in South Dakota are in favor of protecting marriage through a Federal Marriage Amendment. You know, two-thirds of the people in South Dakota, probably higher than that, are in favor of an amendment to protect the American flag. You know, the Second Amendment, gun owners' rights, abortion -- those are not wedge issues in South Dakota."[8]
In addition, Thune drove home his strong support for the war: in a nationally televised debate on NBC's Meet the Press, Thune accused Daschle of "emboldening the enemy" by stating President Bush had "failed miserably" to avoid the Iraq war.[9]
When the race began in early 2004, Daschle led by 7 points in January and February. By May, his lead minimized to just 2 points and into the summer polls showed an effective tie. Throughout September, Daschle led Thune by margins of 2-5%; from October until the November 2 election, most polls showed Thune and Daschle tied 49-49 among likely voters.
On November 2, 2004, Thune defeated Daschle by 4,508 votes, winning 51% of the vote and became a well-known Republican figure in the U.S. Senate. Daschle's loss was the first ousting of a serving Senate Majority or Minority Leader since 1952, when Arizona Senator Ernest McFarland lost his seat to Barry Goldwater.
[edit] Senate service
Thune was chosen to be the GOP's Chief Deputy Whip. He also serves on the Senate's Agriculture, Commerce, and Armed Services Committees.
Soon after arriving in the Senate, Thune wrote language into a transportation bill expanding the pot of federal loan money for small railroads, enabling his former client to apply for $2.5 billion in government financing for its project.[10]
As a U.S. Senator, Thune also took a leading role in formulating energy policy. He pushed for the final passage of a comprehensive energy bill, which finally overcame a series of Democratic filibusters and passed the Senate in 2005. Thune helped pass another energy bill in late 2007. Thune is a particular advocate of ethanol and wind energy, which are linked to South Dakota's high levels of corn production and its windy prairies. Thune's hometown of Murdo is considered one of the windiest towns in the nation.
Thune, along with South Dakota's senior Senator Tim Johnson, was also faced with the challenge of keeping Ellsworth Air Force Base in Box Elder, South Dakota (near Rapid City) open after the Department of Defense announced plans to close the base as part of its 2005 round of base closures. The Pentagon announced that it planned to move all of Ellsworth's B-1 bombers to Dyess Air Force Base in Texas. Ellsworth Air Force Base is one of South Dakota's largest employers, and a critical component of the state's economic well-being, making it necessary for the state's political leaders to fight for its continued existence. Senator Thune, along with Senator Tim Johnson (D), lobbyied Washington, specifically the Defense Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) Commission, to keep Ellsworth open. In their lobbying efforts, they argued that it made little sense to consolidate all of the nation's B-1s in a single location due to the risk of a single attack or tornado taking out the fleet. Also, it was discovered that the Pentagon may have overlooked a lawsuit that possibly prevented B-1 pilots at Dyess from engaging in adequate training. While the fate of Dyess was still in the air, Thune declared that he had strong doubts about issues such as John Bolton's nomination as United Nations ambassador, "I've said all along that I'm going to play whatever cards I have to get the best possible outcome I can for my base," he is reported as saying.[11] Ultimately, the BRAC Commission voted 8-1 to reverse the Pentagon's recommendation to close Ellsworth.[12]
[edit] Political philosophy
John Thune is a Christian conservative.[13]
The American Conservative Union gave Senator Thune a rating of "100" in 2006.[14]
Thune's religious faith is also an important component of his political philosophy. He has stated, "Having a Christian worldview shapes my decision-making with respect to all aspects of my life. I always respect people in public life who are principled, and those principles have to be connected to something. And my faith is what serves as the anchor and directs my actions."[15] In June 2006, Thune reaffirmed his strong support to amend the United States Constitution to ban same sex marriages: "The federal marriage amendment debate simply is an opportunity for us to affirm our support for marriage...It is an important debate to have in this country."[16]
In a 2005 interview with Christianity Today, Thune supported invading Iraq, expressing a hope that this would result in greater religious freedom: "Liberating Iraq from decades of tyranny and dictatorship, bringing about political freedom, will create an atmosphere of where religious freedom will come to Iraq. And that opens the door, obviously, for the Christian faith there as well."[17]
WTF are you talking about ethanol. You said it like it was something positive. Oil is more environmentally friendly than ethanol. Are you fucking kidding me? Please tell me you are kidding about the ethanol thing...
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WTF are you talking about ethanol. You said it like it was something positive. Oil is more environmentally friendly than ethanol. Are you fucking kidding me? Please tell me you are kidding about the ethanol thing...
At this point, the environment isn't the concern when it comes to energy source.
The concern is 'where the hell do we get it'.
China would be a lot bigger and stronger today, but they cannot get enough oil to meet their needs. Some worry events in the middle east could lead to a shortage here. Ethanol isn't efficient now, but it can evolve. On the other hand, save for that stash in alask and the gulf, and the chunk frozen in canada, we're dependednt upon the middle east to stay driving and alive here.
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this isnt bodybuilding g o related
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I agree. The biggest criminal to ever take office.
Hahahaha.........oh brother!
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I hope McCain picks him because he'll hand Hillary or Obama the victory on a platter.
With these two pathological liers running, they should just concede to McCain NOW!
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With these two pathological liers running, they should just concede to McCain NOW!
Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made? We can list many for Hilary, but that's a pretty serious charge to throw at Obama.
Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made?
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I just paid $4.15/gallon
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So you're saying it's Bush's fault?
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Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made? We can list many for Hilary, but that's a pretty serious charge to throw at Obama.
Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made?
Go look at his recent history...........he's lied at least 5 times on each reguarding his "pastor" and his real estate dealings.
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Go look at his recent history...........he's lied at least 5 times on each reguarding his "pastor" and his real estate dealings.
Sorry, Joe.
Please give us 5 examples. That "look at history" doesn't work here. You can't BS me on this one.
List 5 lies. Show us where he's lied. Or take it back.
For God's sake - if you're going to work to get mccain in office, you have to be HONEST with folks. Everyone reading this thread now sees that you, a mccain supporter, just called obama a LIAR without evidence.
Makes mccain look bad.
please list 5 lies obama has made.
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At this point, the environment isn't the concern when it comes to energy source.
The concern is 'where the hell do we get it'.
China would be a lot bigger and stronger today, but they cannot get enough oil to meet their needs. Some worry events in the middle east could lead to a shortage here. Ethanol isn't efficient now, but it can evolve. On the other hand, save for that stash in alask and the gulf, and the chunk frozen in canada, we're dependednt upon the middle east to stay driving and alive here.
ROFL!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?? The environment is the main concern. In 5 years time the Noth polar ice caps will disappear off of the face of the planet. You seriously need to rethink your politics.
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here Joe, let me help you.
Here is a list of some of Obama's lies:
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-game-for-democrats-who-can-tell.html
I'd like to see mccain win too, but I don't do it by making bold, general statements like "they're all liars!" then being unable to back it up with clear details of the lies. People start to think you're bullshitting them.
Also, you have to admit your guy has flaws. Mccain was a poor husband. Mccain wanted to open up the borders. Mccain had some shady dealings in the past. Can you admit these flaws, then say he's the best man for the job? People who are on the fense, not sure who to vote for, respect your opinion a lot more when you can list flaws in your own candidate too. When you say "my guy is perfect, and obama/hilary suck!" it lacks credibility.
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Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made? We can list many for Hilary, but that's a pretty serious charge to throw at Obama.
Can you list 5 lies that Obama has made?
1. Lied about his association with Rezko and also about the amount of money he recieved from him (that's two right there).
2. Lied about his comments related to NAFTA, then told Canadian officials to not take his political positioning seriously.
3. Do I really need to say anything about his relationship with his "pastor". Just turn the TV on and take a gander.
There's more, but I have baseball game to coach in a few. See ya.
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1. Lied about his association with Rezko and also about the amount of money he recieved from him (that's two right there).
2. Lied about his comments related to NAFTA, then told Canadian officials to not take his political positioning seriously.
3. Do I really need to say anything about his relationship with his "pastor". Just turn the TV on and take a gander.
There's more, but I have baseball game to coach in a few. See ya.
Rock n roll! That's what I like to see!
I know you see my debate style as pro-lib, but it's really not. I like to make people justify their positions. Gives them credibility. When you're relaxing at the baseball game and politics comes up, you can start the conversation with "well, I can list 5 lies that obama made in the last 2 months... that's enough of a reason for me to not trust the guy".
You now have more credibility on this issue, and you leave me (and many other readers) now aware that obama does like to lie a bit!
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So you're saying it's Bush's fault?
Did I?
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So you're saying it's Bush's fault?
yes absolutely.
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:)
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Fuck George Bush Sr, George Bush Jr., Jeff Bush, John Mccain
These guys are pure evil
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here Joe, let me help you.
Here is a list of some of Obama's lies:
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-game-for-democrats-who-can-tell.html
I'd like to see mccain win too, but I don't do it by making bold, general statements like "they're all liars!" then being unable to back it up with clear details of the lies. People start to think you're bullshitting them.
Also, you have to admit your guy has flaws. Mccain was a poor husband. Mccain wanted to open up the borders. Mccain had some shady dealings in the past. Can you admit these flaws, then say he's the best man for the job? People who are on the fense, not sure who to vote for, respect your opinion a lot more when you can list flaws in your own candidate too. When you say "my guy is perfect, and obama/hilary suck!" it lacks credibility.
So you have no problem with soldiers being in iraq for 100 more years(okay 8 more years) but you get the point. Oh goody 8 more years in iraq 4-7,000 more soldiers deaths. ::) ??? ::)
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So you have no problem with soldiers being in iraq for 100 more years(okay 8 more years) but you get the point. Oh goody 8 more years in iraq 4-7,000 more soldiers deaths. ::) ??? ::)
I would like to see our troops stop doing combat missions, and instead guard only the bases and oil facilities.
Let the iraqi army and police deal with the gangs and rival death squads. We've given enough $ and lives in the area, it's their turn to defend their country. But at the same time, if we just leave, the oil will go to Iraqn and China. And you know we need bases there, if/when the saudis ask us to leave.
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yes absolutely.
Really?? You sure about that?
Shit didn't start hitting the economic fan until the Dems got elected into congress..........THATS when it starting going to hell.
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Joe, you are 100% closed minded and nearly brain-washed. I used to be like that, i have family members like that.
This administration is different, the economic collapse we are in is different, the foreign policy insanity is different.
This isnt the cosnervs ve the liberals of the 1980's. Things have changed.
Turn off Fox News, quit listening to Lardass Limbaugh and educate yourself, see what is happening to this country. >:(
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Shit didn't start hitting the economic fan until the Dems got elected into congress..........THATS when it starting going to hell.
Joe, in order to convert the independents to vote for McCain we have to be honest with them.
Bush had a rubber-stamp approval for all his spending until spring of 2007 when the Dems were sworn in. At that point, he made it a point to go on TV once a week and tell America that if Congress wouldn't approve his war spending bill, they were killing our troops. Congress TRIED to push a bill thru with benchmarks, and bush vetoed it. He went on FOX news and CNN every week, Joe. "Congress doesn't want your kids to have the body armor they need, moms and dads!" is the message he sent.
You can't blame the dems for this financial mess. bush cut taxes during times of prosperity, a huge economic no-no. You're supposed to raise taxes during rich times, then cut them during a recession. The reason the dollar has dropped 8% since Feb is that he tried cutting rates in a recession, required because he had cut taxes during the good times.
keep it real, take the blame when your party makes mistakes. People believe your words when you do this. When I say something is good abuot mccain, people believe me because I also tell them what he's done wrong, and what bush has done wrong.
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3. Do I really need to say anything about his relationship with his "pastor". Just turn the TV on and take a gander.
McCain stood next to John Hagee while receiving his endorsement. Nothing Jeremiah Wright has ever said compares to the hate spewed by Hagee.
which only shows how much McCain is willing to suck up to the religious right this time around, as in 2000 McCain (rightly) criticized Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University.
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McCain stood next to John Hagee while receiving his endorsement. Nothing Jeremiah Wright has ever said compares to the hate spewed by Hagee.
Damn, Hagee is anti-catholic, anti-semite, etc.
I wouldn't stand anywhere near that guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee
Joe, what is your opinion of Hagee? Do you think McCain should be standing by this man's side?
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At this point, the environment isn't the concern when it comes to energy source.
The concern is 'where the hell do we get it'.
ethanol from food crops is just corporate welfare for factory farms. ethanol from food sharply increases the price of the food, which is already starting to cause instability in many parts of the world.
ethanol from cellulose will be viable some day. until then we need to stop subsidizing ethanol from corn.
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Really?? You sure about that?
Shit didn't start hitting the economic fan until the Dems got elected into congress..........THATS when it starting going to hell.
Joe, you know I like you bud... but seriously... The economy was in the tank back in 2001 and the only thing that wasn't was the housing market... here we are a few years later and the ARMs are eating people alive and that's just allowing the economy to be shown for what it has been for the past 6 or 7 years... Crap.
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Joe, you know I like you bud... but seriously... The economy was in the tank back in 2001 and the only thing that wasn't was the housing market... here we are a few years later and the ARMs are eating people alive and that's just allowing the economy to be shown for what it has been for the past 6 or 7 years... Crap.
The Dot.coms were falsely overvalued by smart people who got rich and all bailed at once on jan 2, 01.
The housing market was falsely overvalued by smart people who got rich and all bailed in 2007/8.
The war in afghanistan then iraq saved the economy for 5 years. This recession should have happened then. War is very good for the economy. Borrow a ton of money, unemployment down (able bodied men join the ranks!) and lots of spending. War stocks thru the roof, as are oil companies.
However, all good things must end. ending wars, yes, you do face recessions. We're 2 months into one, and it'll last 18 months, but we'll recover fine. People will hopefully be smarter next time about falling for the next fad (.com's with no real value, 2nd home with no real demand). Wait, people will be just as dumb lol...
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The Dot.coms were falsely overvalued by smart people who got rich and all bailed at once on jan 2, 01.
The housing market was falsely overvalued by smart people who got rich and all bailed in 2007/8.
The war in afghanistan then iraq saved the economy for 5 years. This recession should have happened then. War is very good for the economy. Borrow a ton of money, unemployment down (able bodied men join the ranks!) and lots of spending. War stocks thru the roof, as are oil companies.
However, all good things must end. ending wars, yes, you do face recessions. We're 2 months into one, and it'll last 18 months, but we'll recover fine. People will hopefully be smarter next time about falling for the next fad (.com's with no real value, 2nd home with no real demand). Wait, people will be just as dumb lol...
Agreed on all points... You certainly can't blame the economy on the Democratic party.
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However, all good things must end. ending wars, yes, you do face recessions. We're 2 months into one, and it'll last 18 months, but we'll recover fine. People will hopefully be smarter next time about falling for the next fad
smarter next time: like when a political party claims to be the fiscally responsible one, then once they get into office they say deficits don't matter (perhaps because rapture is just around the corner?) that we don't reelect them to do more damage?
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The war in afghanistan then iraq saved the economy for 5 years. This recession should have happened then. War is very good for the economy. Borrow a ton of money, unemployment down (able bodied men join the ranks!) and lots of spending. War stocks thru the roof, as are oil companies.
However, all good things must end. ending wars, yes, you do face recessions. We're 2 months into one, and it'll last 18 months, but we'll recover fine. People will hopefully be smarter next time about falling for the next fad (.com's with no real value, 2nd home with no real demand). Wait, people will be just as dumb lol...
Wrong on several counts, this isnt WW2, there is no draft and there is no huge boon in employment due to the war. Its not like the rallied nation is manufacturing jeeps, tanks and planes in 1940's America ::)
What this war has done is spend 1 trillion dollars we dont have-that is what is making a US dollar bill barely fit to wipe your ass with.
This isnt a simple recession that we will recover from in 18 months. :-\
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Wrong on several counts, this isnt WW2, there is no draft and there is no huge boon in employment due to the war. Its not like the rallied nation is manufacturing jeeps, tanks and planes in 1940's America ::)
$12 bil a month is being spent on vehicles, bombs, salaries, and support infrastructure. If you're in the reserves, there's a heck of an employment boom
What this war has done is spend 1 trillion dollars we dont have-that is what is making a US dollar bill barely fit to wipe your ass with.
We've established that iraqi oil will be sold in dollars. That keeps the dollar relevant to OPEC and pegged in many arab nations for another decade. That's worth a lot more than a trillion, my friend.
This isnt a simple recession that we will recover from in 18 months. :-\
Time will tell.
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$12 bil a month is being spent on vehicles, bombs, salaries, and support infrastructure. If you're in the reserves, there's a heck of an employment boom
the people in the reserves are being taken away from their regular jobs.
and what about the trillion that will be spent over the next 20 years taking care of the injured.
think of all the roads and bridges and subways and schools and moon bases we could have bought for the cost of this unnecessary war.
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This war is a boon to reserves ? lol, many of those guys have lost their real jobs and their homes due to stop loss and the shitty paycheck they get from Uncle Sam.
We've established that iraqi oil will be sold in dollars. That keeps the dollar relevant to OPEC and pegged in many arab nations for another decade. That's worth a lot more than a trillion, my friend.
Another decade huh ? based on what ? Iraq hasnt sustained any oil production for more than a few months. How is that going to force other Arab regimes to keep the dollar as the primary currency for oil ? It isnt. Iran and Venezuela will no longer be trading in petrodollars.
I wouldnt count on a steady oil supply when the pipelines keep getting blown up, we cant control Basra and the puppet regime in place right now may not be there in 24 months time. :-\
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TuHolms, the economy was heading for the shitter about a year or two before Bush took office, it was after 2001 when we had the biggest economic turn around in the last 20 years and that was during wartime. In order for the dems to win congressn they made promisis they couldn't keep just to win. To soley blame this on the president when the dems have the majority in congress is absured.
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TuHolms, the economy was heading for the shitter about a year or two before Bush took office, it was after 2001 when we had the biggest economic turn around in the last 20 years and that was during wartime. In order for the dems to win congressn they made promisis they couldn't keep just to win. To soley blame this on the president when the dems have the majority in congress is absured.
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TuHolms, the economy was heading for the shitter about a year or two before Bush took office, it was after 2001 when we had the biggest economic turn around in the last 20 years and that was during wartime. In order for the dems to win congressn they made promisis they couldn't keep just to win. To soley blame this on the president when the dems have the majority in congress is absured.
They only had the majority in the past 2 years... how about the previous 6?
Would that be the President and the Republican majority congress at fault then?
I'm guessing that would follow your logic well right?
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TuHolms, the economy was heading for the shitter about a year or two before Bush took office, it was after 2001 when we had the biggest economic turn around in the last 20 years and that was during wartime. In order for the dems to win congressn they made promisis they couldn't keep just to win. To soley blame this on the president when the dems have the majority in congress is absured.
Joe, please address my point. Bush has bullied them into funding the war with public guilt trips.
He has publicly said if they value the troops lives, they'll give him his $148 billion war package.
They fought it, and he vetoed them.
Please don't insult getbig's wise readers by saying the dems spent irresponsibly. They TRIED to spend responsibly, and Bush politicized the dead troops, and they cracked and gave bush his bill.
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Osama 4 president!!!! Wright for V.P.!!!
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to all the getbiggers,,240 especially ,,its nice you show interest and everything and its healthy and i very much support political debates among youngsters but in this case of 2008 it is all done and over,,
hussain is out of the picture for good ,,already been out for a good month,,simply not ready ,,and most importantly a racial condencenfing contender that doesnt have what it takes to be a mayor,,it is done for him
the demon is a demon but she is a woman and women place is in the kitchen especially a woman with no past in military and nothing to write home about,,this is no golda mehir or margaret tacher ,,this woman is made by her husband and with out him is big fat zero
mccain is already the president of the usa ,,we push him very very hard,,we raise tongs of money for him ,,we saturated generation nothingness with all of the things you like because this is the key to get a big share of generation nothingness that to begin with half of this generation wont go to vote
mccain simply look like a president ,,he has the experience,,a very big war hero ,,he is a good democratically independent nixon,,he is a mavric,,he is only repulican on paper and in heart with his belief of god and some important values that democrats forgot long ago
i will share a secret with you again here my getbig friends,,we are trying the hardest of the hardest to get colin on the ticket ,,very very hard trying day and night and maybe he will agree if not the candidate mention is one of few options considered ,,but right now we work very very hard on colin because if he enters this it will be a big lanf slide not only 10% win,,it will be ny and california too and i want california to go red this time around because this red is independent with a lot of promising future
in any case no mater what you do now ...mccain already won this election it is as clear as crystal,,you need to be crazy out of your mind to vote for one of these 2 democrats ,,infact if it ever happened god forbid this country will go into the black decade of its history
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to all the getbiggers,,240 especially ,,its nice you show interest and everything and its healthy and i very much support political debates among youngsters but in this case of 2008 it is all done and over,,
hussain is out of the picture for good ,,already been out for a good month,,simply not ready ,,and most importantly a racial condencenfing contender that doesnt have what it takes to be a mayor,,it is done for him
the demon is a demon but she is a woman and women place is in the kitchen especially a woman with no past in military and nothing to write home about,,this is no golda mehir or margaret tacher ,,this woman is made by her husband and with out him is big fat zero
mccain is already the president of the usa ,,we push him very very hard,,we raise tongs of money for him ,,we saturated generation nothingness with all of the things you like because this is the key to get a big share of generation nothingness that to begin with half of this generation wont go to vote
mccain simply look like a president ,,he has the experience,,a very big war hero ,,he is a good democratically independent nixon,,he is a mavric,,he is only repulican on paper and in heart with his belief of god and some important values that democrats forgot long ago
i will share a secret with you again here my getbig friends,,we are trying the hardest of the hardest to get colin on the ticket ,,very very hard trying day and night and maybe he will agree if not the candidate mention is one of few options considered ,,but right now we work very very hard on colin because if he enters this it will be a big lanf slide not only 10% win,,it will be ny and california too and i want california to go red this time around because this red is independent with a lot of promising future
in any case no mater what you do now ...mccain already won this election it is as clear as crystal,,you need to be crazy out of your mind to vote for one of these 2 democrats ,,infact if it ever happened god forbid this country will go into the black decade of its history
hahahaha, you're always good for a laugh.
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to all the getbiggers,
yawn
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to all the getbiggers,,240 especially ,,its nice you show interest and everything and its healthy and i very much support political debates among youngsters but in this case of 2008 it is all done and over,,
hussain is out of the picture for good ,,already been out for a good month,,simply not ready ,,and most importantly a racial condencenfing contender that doesnt have what it takes to be a mayor,,it is done for him
the demon is a demon but she is a woman and women place is in the kitchen especially a woman with no past in military and nothing to write home about,,this is no golda mehir or margaret tacher ,,this woman is made by her husband and with out him is big fat zero
mccain is already the president of the usa ,,we push him very very hard,,we raise tongs of money for him ,,we saturated generation nothingness with all of the things you like because this is the key to get a big share of generation nothingness that to begin with half of this generation wont go to vote
mccain simply look like a president ,,he has the experience,,a very big war hero ,,he is a good democratically independent nixon,,he is a mavric,,he is only repulican on paper and in heart with his belief of god and some important values that democrats forgot long ago
i will share a secret with you again here my getbig friends,,we are trying the hardest of the hardest to get colin on the ticket ,,very very hard trying day and night and maybe he will agree if not the candidate mention is one of few options considered ,,but right now we work very very hard on colin because if he enters this it will be a big lanf slide not only 10% win,,it will be ny and california too and i want california to go red this time around because this red is independent with a lot of promising future
in any case no mater what you do now ...mccain already won this election it is as clear as crystal,,you need to be crazy out of your mind to vote for one of these 2 democrats ,,infact if it ever happened god forbid this country will go into the black decade of its history
oh brother
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hahahaha, you're always good for a laugh.
trust me i do not put over 10 million dollars total out of my money into a failed campaign,,this is going to be a land slide if we get colin on,,infact generation nothingness will thank us in the future one day when they grow up and finish watching the doctor phil show,,,
and this messege was for all getbigger simply because you will be able to say as always that you heard it here first from gh15
again it is not garunteed colin will get on the ticket but i can assure you we been talking to him for almost 2 months
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trust me i do not put over 10 million dollars total out of my money into a failed campaign,,this is going to be a land slide if we get colin on,,infact generation nothingness will thank us in the future one day when they grow up and finish watching the doctor phil show,,,
and this messege was for all getbigger simply because you will be able to say as always that you heard it here first from gh15
again it is not garunteed colin will get on the ticket but i can assure you we been talking to him for almost 2 months
good for you.
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this is going to be a land slide if we get colin on,,
Colin Powell is more likely to endorse Obama than he would McCain.
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This whole business sucks. I liked the 1996 race better.... all was well with the world. Can't even remember who the REpublican candidate was.
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Colin Powell is more likely to endorse Obama than he would McCain.
I agree black people need to stick together...