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Just curious to see how many here buy this line and why.
here's context.
So serving in the military and serving your country is a problem for you?
Other than pay your taxes and shoot your mouth off on this board what you done for your country?
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What w8lftr is saying is he sucked taxpayer dollars out of our pockets just as well, as all the welfare-ites have done. Did we have to pay for his food and lodging too??? What a waste.
The guy working was helping americas economy ,and w8t was draining it for federal aid....sad.
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What w8lftr is saying is he sucked taxpayer dollars out of our pockets just as well, as all the welfare-ites have done. Did we have to pay for his food and lodging too??? What a waste.
The guy working was helping americas economy ,and w8t was draining it for federal aid....sad.
Either
he buys into the notion of Team America: World Police, in which case I don't really give a damn about what he did.
Or else he thought, hey, what's a nice way for me to get paid for "seeing the world"
P.S. If Mexico, Canada, Haiti, Cuba, or DR decide to invade, I'll pull my rifles out and take the SUV out of the garage, but until then go chew on a dick.
P.P.S. Maybe I'll get off my ass if fascists take over all of Europe too. :D Maybe. [/list]
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Just curious to see how many here buy this line and why.
here's context.
Okay. So you went out and got a job and paid your taxes. You're a good citizen.
Please tell us all about the personal sacrifices you've made and how just "getting a job" serves your country or local community (other than generating tax revenue).
Were you a cop, a school teacher, a fire fighter, or some sort of public servant? Did you spend your off-time helping anyone other than yourself? Maybe you joined the Peace Corps? Please tell me what a great and selfless citizen you are.
I'm really curious to read the typical civilian spin on this.
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Okay. So you went out and got a job and paid you're taxes. You're a good citizen.
Please tell us all about the personal sacrifices you've made and how just "getting a job" serves your country or local community (other than generating tax revenue).
Were you a cop, a school teacher, a fire fighter, or some sort of public servant? Did you spend your off-time helping anyone other than yourself? Maybe you joined the Peace Corps? Please tell me what a great and selfless citizen you are.
I'm really curious to read the typical civilian spin on this.
I'll let you turn the tables after you tell me what it is you did.
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After all, I never claimed to have done anything that gave me special insight into how the country should be run...
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LOL
I expected as much from you and Julian.
You've never given back. Paying your taxes is enough and in your world the military doesn't pay taxes at all.
Typical BS.
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LOL
I expected as much from you and Julian.
You've never given back. Paying your taxes is enough and in your world the military doesn't pay taxes at all.
Typical BS.
What's laughable is that you think joining the INEPT World Police/"seeing the world" is "giving back"
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What's laughable is that you think joining the World Police/"seeing the world" is "giving back"
What's laughable is that you think military service isn't giving back to your country. Correction... I was wrong. It's sad and pathetic but predictable.
You're no better than the neocons you bash on this board.
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What's laughable is that you think military service isn't giving back to your country. Correction... I was wrong. It's sad and pathetic but predictable.
You're no better than the neocons you bash on this board.
So you still don't have an answer as to what puts military "service" above any other job a person might have.
You've been remarkably inarticulate every time this topic has been brought up. "It's only something those who've worn the uniform can understand" ::)
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i dont give a fuck what your motivation is to join the military. when you join you dont know what you will be doing or where you will go. you may not even believe in the cause your serving for, but you put your life on the line. i see military flying out every time im at the airport. those motherfuckers are as brave as it gets. willing to die for your country no matter the cause deserves more admiration then anyone one can do.
everything we have is from the soldiers who fought for it.
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So you still don't have an answer as to what puts military "service" above any other job a person might have.
You've been remarkably inarticulate every time this topic has been brought up. "It's only something those who've worn the uniform can understand" ::)
You truly are an ungrateful and bitter person, Calmus. I pity you.
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You're right. The REAL patriots aren't here to post. They've already paid the price for flawed American foreign policy.
But if they were still alive you'd just mock them too.
As far as what I did. Twelve years in Navy. Did I get drunk on weekends? Hell yes. Did I deploy when ordered and do my job. Yep.
But at least I know what it means to serve and have the respect of others that served and deployed with me. That's something you'll never be able to understand.
Yeah, I get up and go to work every time I'm expected to be there.... doesn't make me feel special. ANd my colleagues think I do a good job too.
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You truly are an ungrateful and bitter person, Calmus. I pity you.
More rhetoric. Any time you guys want to get down to facts, I'm ready....
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i dont give a fuck what your motivation is to join the military. when you join you dont know what you will be doing or where you will go. you may not even believe in the cause your serving for, but you put your life on the line. i see military flying out every time im at the airport. those motherfuckers are as brave as it gets. willing to die for your country no matter the cause deserves more admiration then anyone one can do.
everything we have is from the soldiers who fought for it.
Well, according to Calmus and War-Horse they give back more because they hold jobs in the private sector, pay their taxes, and post on getbig. Those that serve in the military are leeches.
I wonder if they feel the same about police officers, fire fighters, school teachers, anyone who makes a living off of public funds?
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Well, according to Calmus and War-Horse they give back more because they hold jobs in the private sector, pay their taxes, and post on getbig. Those that serve in the military are leeches.
I wonder if they feel the same about police officers, fire fighters, school teachers, anyone who makes a living off of public funds?
Police officers and fire fighters do perform useful services. Teachers too, for the most part.
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More rhetoric. Any time you guys want to get down to facts, I'm ready....
Go pay your taxes, Calmus. The deadline is tomorrow. Be a good American.
Americans everyone are beholden to you for your selfless service so thank you. I know I'll sleep better tonight because of it.
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. I know I'll sleep better tonight because of it.
Maybe I can't handle the truth. ::)
But do feel free to try us.
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Maybe I can't handle the truth. ::)
But do feel free to try us.
You should wear a cape. You're a real American hero!
All hail Calmus!
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You should wear a cape. You're a real American hero!
All hail Calmus!
DOn't try to confuse the issue. It's you who claim to be cloaked in glory after carousing in the Navy for 12 years.
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This kind of in-fighting is counterproductive.
We all contribute to the national interest in some way. If you work for the government or the private sector or you keep a family afloat, you contribute.
Gov. is a necessity of social life. I don't see government workers as leeches. They as necessary as the private businessman to the country.
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DOn't try to confuse the issue. It's you who claim to be cloaked in glory after carousing in the Navy for 12 years.
orly?
I said was cloaked in glory?!
Afraid not. I said I served. No more no less.
But you, you are the real example of American patriotism. You go to work every day and work very very hard. Your peers love you and you love them back. You pay your taxes and post on getbig to regularly exercise your rights to free speech and point out the flaws you see in our government and it's citizens.
You, sir, are the shining light of freedom and a role model for what we should all aspire to be!
I am eternally in your debt and humbled by your presence. I salute you.
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orly?
I said was cloaked in glory?!
Afraid not. I said I served. No more no less.
But you, you are the real example of American patriotism. You go to work every day and work very very hard. Your peers love you and you love them back. You pay your taxes and post on getbig to regularly exercise your rights to free speech and point out the flaws you see in our government and it's citizens.
You, sir, are the shining light of freedom and a role model for what we should all aspire to be!
I am eternally in your debt and humbled by your presence. I salute you.
Long on rhetoric, short on substance.
No amount of sarcasm is going to validate your "You didn't wear the uniform, you won't understand what makes its wearers special" bullshit.
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This kind of in-fighting is counterproductive.
We all contribute to the national interest in some way. If you work for the government or the private sector or you keep a family afloat, you contribute.
Gov. is a necessity of social life. I don't see government workers as leaches. They as necessary as the private businessman to the country.
Away with your logic and rational thinking, Decker! Even though we all contribute to the big picture that is America the sacrifices of the U.S. military and other public servants pale in comparison to the social contributions made by our own getbigger Calmus.
All hail Calmus! A true hero for the ages!
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Long on rhetoric, short on substance.
No amount of sarcasm is going to validate your "You didn't wear the uniform, you won't understand what makes its wearers special" bullshit.
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Long on rhetoric, short on substance.
No amount of sarcasm is going to validate your "You didn't wear the uniform, you won't understand what makes its wearers special" bullshit.
Now now... don't be like that.
You don't understand what it takes to wear the uniform of a service member anymore than I understand the awesomeness that is you.
They'll be singing your praises long after the world of man has turned to dust.
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Now now... don't be like that.
You don't understand what it takes to wear the uniform of a service member anymore than I understand the awesomeness that is you.
They'll be singing your praises long after the world of man has turned to dust.
ah, yes, I forgot that I claimed I had done something special. Stupid me!
::) Two can play the sarcasm game.
Still waiting for you to make a valid point.
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Echo... echo... echo...
Is that the song of Calmus I hear?! :o
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ah, yes, I forgot that I claimed I had done something special. Stupid me!
::) Two can play the sarcasm game.
Still waiting for you to make a valid point.
There is no valid point I can make to you. Your mind is already made up.
In your mind (and WH and NT) the military is a bunch of thrill seeking, government leeching, uneducated, terrorist thugs.
It doesn't matter that they do jobs that put them in harms way. It doesn't matter that they perform humanitarian missions or get involved in their local communities (or communities of their host country) to help those less fortunate. It doesn't matter that they get separated from their family and friends for long periods of time to serve their country and support policies they may not personally agree with but do anyway because they took an oath of service.
What matters, from what you've stated, is that you work in the private sector and pay your taxes. Maybe you even get involved in local charities and help those less fortunate than you (I hope so).
So it seems I was wrong about you and I stand corrected. You're the model of freedom and sacrifice. You humble me, sir, and I'm a better person for even getting the opportunity to engage in this educational discussion with you.
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Good points w8tlftr..instead of hitting these idiots head on...I think I'm going to explain where their tax dollars really go. Calmus and that assmunch, Neuro think I'm a socialist for taking a salary from Uncle Sam. Well, I'm getting an all expenses paid trip to Germany in two weeks. Since our hotel provides Breakfast and Dinner chow...I'll pocket most of the $200 a day cash. I get to work out in a brand new gym that is friggen massive with all new equipment, paid for by the US tax payers. Thats where ur tax dollars are going...it also goes for the bullets needed to kill the dirtbags in Iraq and around the world. It goes for bandages and fuel to fly medivac choppers..it goes to keep ur ass safe in ur private sector jobs. I don't begrudge u ur cubicle....just pay ur taxes.
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It doesn't matter that they perform humanitarian missions or get involved in their local communities (or communities of their host country) to help those less fortunate.
This is a poor excuse for justifying military service. If you really wanted to help people, you would have joined the Red Cross
It doesn't matter that they get separated from their family and friends for long periods of time to serve their country and support policies they may not personally agree with but do anyway because they took an oath of service.
Joining the world police is an ideological decision. You made it, now don't whine about it.
You're the model of freedom and sacrifice.
Nothing you've described remotely resembles sacrifice, so can it.
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...it also goes for the bullets needed to kill the dirtbags in Iraq and around the world. It goes for bandages and fuel to fly medivac choppers..it goes to keep ur ass safe in ur private sector jobs. I don't begrudge u ur cubicle....just pay ur taxes.
A lot of good those bullets have done.
My ass is less safe because of escalating militarization. Other people might buy the "keeping ur ass safe" line but I don't.
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This is a poor excuse for justifying military service. If you really wanted to help people, you would have joined the Red Cross
Joining the world police is an ideological decision. You made it, now don't whine about it.
Nothing you've described remotely resembles sacrifice, so can it.
You don't hear me whining, mighty Calmus. I have no regrets about my time in the military. I served overseas, did my tour in the gulf, and met a lot of great people who I'm still friends with today.
That said, I realize the years me and my fellow veterans spent in service of our country pales in comparison to your sacrifices. You're a selfless person and to be commended for your daily contributions to our society. I mean, paying your taxes and exercising your Constitutional rights on getbig. Wow.... I'm flabbergasted. My only regret is that we'll never meet so I can shake your hand, sir.
God bless you. You're a great American! ;D
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A lot of good those bullets have done.
My ass is less safe because of escalating militarization. Other people might buy the "keeping ur ass safe" line but I don't.
That's because you're so wise! Your intellect knows no boundaries - you have no equal!
You're like the Buddha of getbig. A wise all knowing angry and tiny Buddha.
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That said, I realize the years me and my fellow veterans spent in service of our country pales in comparison to your sacrifices.
Don't confuse service of country with service of ideology.
And I never claimed to have sacrificed shit. You did. although what you sacrificed is still unclear.
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Just curious to see how many here buy this line and why.
here's context.
yea, there's a problem with it.
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That's because you're so wise! Your intellect knows no boundaries - you have no equal!
Compared to yours, it would appear so ... :-\
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Compared to yours, it would appear so ... :-\
My only regret is that we can never meet face to face so I can shake your hand.
Thank you for securing America by working in the private sector while I served in the Navy.
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My only regret is that we can never meet face to face so I can shake your hand.
Thank you for securing America by working in the private sector while I served in the Navy.
If you had a point, sarcasm might work. Since you don't.....
And you secured America? HAHAHAHaHA.... My bad, I forgot that California was under threat by the Spanish Armada in 1994. ::)
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If you had a point, sarcasm might work. Since you don't.....
And you secured America? HAHAHAHaHA.... My bad, I forgot that California was under threat by the Spanish Armada in 1994. ::)
You're a stud.
God bless you.
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There's some people that may think that serving your country is no big deal.
Well, unless the US was being occupied by another country....I guess they wouldn't know any better.
Or better yet....when the Federal Government initiates a draft. Then you'll see alot of these tree huggers wishing more young guys would step up to the plate & volunteer. These are the same assholes who will come up with more reason's why they can't be drafted.
I was born with fallen arches. They are flat as flat can be. I develop shin splints very easily & hurt quite a bit when I run. It didn't stop me from playing football in high school & it also did not stop me from serving 10 years in the Marine Corps.
One other thing most people don't realize is...Military people pay taxes too. Their income is taxed. Isn't that the damnest thing.
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There's some people that may think that serving your country is no big deal.
Well, unless the US was being occupied by another country....I guess they wouldn't know any better.
If the US was under threat of occupation, I have no doubt most would volunteer. Happened before, will happen again. I mentioned as much in this thread.
Or better yet....when the Federal Government initiates a draft. Then you'll see alot of these tree huggers wishing more young guys would step up to the plate & volunteer. These are the same assholes who will come up with more reason's why they can't be drafted.
How does that relate to this thread?
I was born with fallen arches. They are flat as flat can be. I develop shin splints very easily & hurt quite a bit when I run. It didn't stop me from playing football in high school & it also did not stop me from serving 10 years in the Marine Corps.
How does that relate to this thread?
One other thing most people don't realize is...Military people pay taxes too. Their income is taxed. Isn't that the damnest thing.
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I never said they didn't. And they should, unless they were fighting occupying forces.
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I don't know where the flat feet excuse ever came from....as far as being a disqualifier.....urban myth. I bet it sucked on humps. Thanks for ur service bro. While I would hate to see a draft, I'd love to sit back and watch my countrymen squirm at the prospect of having actually contribute to society. If they do it, nobody gets a deferment unless u can't physically do it. I'd even buy reserve staus for a chunk of those drafted...but everybody serves.
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While I would hate to see a draft, I'd love to sit back and watch my countrymen squirm at the prospect of having actually contribute to society.
COntribute what?
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If the US was under threat of occupation, I have no doubt most would volunteer. Happened before, will happen again. I mentioned as much in this thread.
How does that relate to this thread?
How does that relate to this thread?
I never said they didn't. And they should, unless they were fighting occupying forces.
All joking aside you honestly have no real response do you? All I sense from you is total contempt for the military. I would be more than happy to give you some respect if you'd at least told me you have done some sort of public service but you haven't.
You have taken the words I've posted here and twisted them around in order to make some sort of lame argument with me. I never said that serving in the military was more important than any job civilians do - those are words you posted. My question to you, since you seem to display little respect for those that serve (for whatever reason - it doesn't really matter) was simple and direct and meant specifically for you: what have you done besides pay your taxes to support this country? Charity work, PTA, anything?
As far as what I did I served 12 years as a cryptologist. I'm proud of the work I did and have no regrets about it. You may not see my military service as any sort of sacrifice (and it isn't compared to heroes like HH6 and others that see the horrors of combat up close and personal) but it has it's important role. Unless you've been on long military deployments I really don't think you understand how difficult they are and how stressful they are on military families. But you're entitled to your opinion, Calmus. In the end you're going to think what you want and I'm certainly not going to change my opinion. I'll always be grateful to men like HH6 and others like him that I've had the honor to serve next to. I don't expect it to mean anything to you but it certainly means a lot to others like me.
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If the US was under threat of occupation, I have no doubt most would volunteer. Happened before, will happen again. I mentioned as much in this thread.
How does that relate to this thread?
How does that relate to this thread?
I never said they didn't. And they should, unless they were fighting occupying forces.
I made my statement.....
stop asking so many stupid questions unless you expect me to talk to you like a child
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I don't know where the flat feet excuse ever came from....as far as being a disqualifier.....urban myth. I bet it sucked on humps. Thanks for ur service bro. While I would hate to see a draft, I'd love to sit back and watch my countrymen squirm at the prospect of having actually contribute to society. If they do it, nobody gets a deferment unless u can't physically do it. I'd even buy reserve staus for a chunk of those drafted...but everybody serves.
Yes, it can disqualify you upon entrance in the Military. Especially if you complain they bother you. I've known many draft dodgers that admitted thats how they got out of serving.
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Fair winds and following seas bro......Guys like u helped win the Cold War. Crypto huh...my head hurts. U don't have to serve but neither should u be allowed to diminish those who do. I hope u and the rest of the Libs don't think this generation will sit by like the Viet vets and allow us to get bashed in the press or by Hollywood. PFC's in Iraq today will be leading this nation in 20 years. They will run companies and serve in public office. I'd support them, even if u can't support the war. These kids are fucking heroic. I remember getting ready to climb in my hatch as we began our move to our forward assembly area, prior to the invasion. I watched as all these kids were running to and from vehicles, doing last minute checks, loading weapons etc....with all the shit u see on TV and these kids were no different then the guys who hit Omaha. Heroic.
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Yes, it can disqualify you upon entrance in the Military. Especially if you complain they bother you. I've known many draft dodgers that admitted thats how they got out of serving.
I guess its the shin splints...my legs hurt for days after a hump, with arches. It was better just to keep going. The 5 min breaks would kill me.
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I guess its the shin splints...my legs hurt for days after a hump, with arches. It was better just to keep going. The 5 min breaks would kill me.
I was the same way. I would never take my boots off on a 25 miler. Something about stopping was impossible to get going again.
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All joking aside you honestly have no real response do you? All I sense from you is total contempt for the military. I would be more than happy to give you some respect if you'd at least told me you have done some sort of public service but you haven't.
Finally, a serious response. As the military exists today, yes, I find the whole thing somewhat contemptible... but then I also have a certain amount of contempt for what I do. I work for the same corporations that propagate the ideology that made the military a contemptible tool for some misbegotten Imperialist agenda.
You have taken the words I've posted here and twisted them around in order to make some sort of lame argument with me. I never said that serving in the military was more important than any job civilians do - those are words you posted. My question to you, since you seem to display little respect for those that serve (for whatever reason - it doesn't really matter) was simple and direct and meant specifically for you: what have you done besides pay your taxes to support this country? Charity work, PTA, anything?
First of all, I never twisted your words around. you said you preferred McCain because he'd worn the uniform, and that I wouldn't understand it. I understood you to mean that despite his many flaws, he'd been somehow sanctified by being in the Navy. As is clear, that's a crock of shit imo.
Second, what public service have I done? Nothing worth mentioning. I accompanied my dad, who is a doctor, on a couple of trips to Africa, where I basically acted as a gofer. I worked at his offices on Saturdays, when he saw people who couldn't afford him. I also taught at a top public university, but as far as experiences go, it sucked.
As far as what I did I served 12 years as a cryptologist. I'm proud of the work I did and have no regrets about it. You may not see my military service as any sort of sacrifice (and it isn't compared to heroes like HH6 and others that see the horrors of combat up close and personal) but it has it's important role. Unless you've been on long military deployments I really don't think you understand how difficult they are and how stressful they are on military families. But you're entitled to your opinion, Calmus. In the end you're going to think what you want and I'm certainly not going to change my opinion. I'll always be grateful to men like HH6 and others like him that I've had the honor to serve next to. I don't expect it to mean anything to you but it certainly means a lot to others like me.
I disagree with you ideologically, but I don't think you've done any worse than me. More importantly, I don't think you (or McCain) have done any better than me or most Americans. Being in a stressful situation might build character, but stressful situations come in all forms. Just because someone has been under fire doesn't make them any better of a person. And I (or at least a bus I was in) have been shot at by people who weren't fucking around. It didn't do anything for me. I was 22 and thought I was immortal.
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Wow. it took 3 pages of bs for Calmus to get a coherent response..
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What w8lftr is saying is he sucked taxpayer dollars out of our pockets just as well, as all the welfare-ites have done. Did we have to pay for his food and lodging too??? What a waste.
The guy working was helping americas economy ,and w8t was draining it for federal aid....sad.
Harsh but well spoken. It has to stop.
Nice guts War-Horse.
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Harsh but well spoken. It has to stop.
Nice guts War-Horse.
Thanks. Its a fun tough hobby job, but it is Getbig at the end of the day. :)
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Thanks. Its a fun tough hobby job, but it is Getbig at the end of the day. :)
I admire you for doing it.
Props to you brother.