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The cops that shot 'Sean Bell' were acquitted on all charges, look for anger colored people in NYC today.
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They fired 50 shots into an unarmed man the day before he was going to get married, and they all beat the rap.
Raise your hand if you're surprised.
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If I were a gook and in NYC, I would lay low.
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Burn that bitch down.
Gotta love American Justice...especially if you're white! Woo-hoo!!
Honestly, why should Blacks pay as much in taxes as Whites?
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Killing unarmed men is an internationally recognized police sport.
Check out the link below to the story of a NAKED man who was shot dead
The police officer claimed that he had, mistakenly, believed Mr Ashley was pointing a gun at him and was about to shoot him.
Not all police officers in the UK are armed but you would expect that during training they would have at least been taught the difference between a cock and a gun?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561449&in_page_id=1770
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The guys who shot him were black or part black and hispanic.What will the Al Sharptons' protest?Yesterday Al said that by using black lawers the defense was playing the race card.The freaking cops were black and hispanic.What a bunch of fools.
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If I were a gook and in NYC, I would lay low.
hahahaha too much pussy out there on a nice day to let some angry neeg*rs mess up my friday...
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Burn that bitch down.
Gotta love American Justice...especially if you're white! Woo-hoo!!
Honestly, why should Blacks pay as much in taxes as Whites?
Because blacks dont pay child support anyway for all their "out-of-wedlock" children, use so much govt assistance, and over populate the prisons it makes perfect sense that blacks should actually pay more in taxes.
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They fired 50 shots into an unarmed man the day before he was going to get married, and they all beat the rap.
Raise your hand if you're surprised.
I am surprised..... they only got off 50 shots ;D
BTW... Sean Bell actually CRASHED right into the car that the cops were in.....I suppose they not dare defend themselves and let the thug run amuck!
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Killing unarmed men is an internationally recognized police sport.
Check out the link below to the story of a NAKED man who was shot dead
The police officer claimed that he had, mistakenly, believed Mr Ashley was pointing a gun at him and was about to shoot him.
Not all police officers in the UK are armed but you would expect that during training they would have at least been taught the difference between a cock and a gun?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561449&in_page_id=1770
Just saw it on the news. That poor family.
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He pulled a WALLET out of his pocket, and they just went Rambo on his ass.
I'm glad I live in Montana sometimes.
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Killing unarmed men is an internationally recognized police sport.
Check out the link below to the story of a NAKED man who was shot dead
The police officer claimed that he had, mistakenly, believed Mr Ashley was pointing a gun at him and was about to shoot him.
Not all police officers in the UK are armed but you would expect that during training they would have at least been taught the difference between a cock and a gun?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=561449&in_page_id=1770
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The cops that shot 'Sean Bell' were acquitted on all charges, look for anger colored people in NYC today.
So...You think you're white?
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I get mixed views. Did Bell and his friends speed of after the shots were fired or before? I heard Belland the guys were harassig a stranger and threatened to go get a gun from their car. I also heard they rammed a police van twice. Its sad that they were innocent and all but the details are not solid on what actually happened.
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He got what he deserved
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He pulled a WALLET out of his pocket, and they just went Rambo on his ass.
I'm glad I live in Montana sometimes.
your an idiot, hope this helps
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The pigs murdered that guy plain & simple. They tried to kill his friends but were incompetent assassins.
The blacks in NYC and around the country will do nothing. Too many years of drugs, booze & slavery have destroyed their ability to defend themselves or even care about the man killing another one of their own.
When you involve the cops... people die, it's simple.
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your an idiot, hope this helps
Bro,
Bro, I meant to say that this was a travesty. Sorry I ruffled your panties.
Hope this helps.
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I get mixed views. Did Bell and his friends speed of after the shots were fired or before? I heard Belland the guys were harassig a stranger and threatened to go get a gun from their car. I also heard they rammed a police van twice. Its sad that they were innocent and all but the details are not solid on what actually happened.
When you look at the court transcripts and such, it seems that Bell's friends were his own worst enemy. A lot of defense(Edit- make that offense) witnesses were drug dealers and muggers. Heck, one of the fellas in the car was still playing the hard ghetto gangster role in front of the judge, shouting down lawyers, etc.... There were also witnesses contradicting themselves on whether there was talk of having/getting a pistol.
The cops were also smart in having it tried by judge and not a jury. When you look at the facts and take feelings out of it, there just wasn't enough to convict them.
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That's kind of a one sided approach, Tommy. Sounds like you might have been "incarcerated" or cuffed a few times and grown to resent law enforcement.
Maybe you do have a valid reason, but I do know for a fact that policemen place their lives on the line everyday they wear the uniform and I do have a sincere respect for the many individuals I personally know who are on the force.
Tommy, if it's not too damn personal, could you tell us your side of the story?
Thanks, Tom
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Bro,
Bro, I meant to say that this was a travesty. Sorry I ruffled your panties.
Hope this helps.
LOL you dont know the facts and are going off of what you believe happend, this has done nothing to change my mind your an idiot
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BTW... Sean Bell actually CRASHED right into the car that the cops were in.....I suppose they not dare defend themselves and let the thug run amuck!
How many seconds after he crashed into them did they shoot him?
I mean, yeah, send him to prison for bad driving, assault, DUi, whatever.
But killing him when he no longer was a threat? No, you cannot do that. I'm sure the cops had a confisuing situation, but they did make the wrong decision here. They might not belong in prison, but they certainly don't belong back on the streets, where this can happen again.
They killed an unarmed man who didn't pose a threat to them.
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How many seconds after he crashed into them did they shoot him?
I mean, yeah, send him to prison for bad driving, assault, DUi, whatever.
But killing him when he no longer was a threat? No, you cannot do that. I'm sure the cops had a confisuing situation, but they did make the wrong decision here. They might not belong in prison, but they certainly don't belong back on the streets, where this can happen again.
They killed an unarmed man who didn't pose a threat to them.
Fact is none of us were there and none of us know what happend, honestly if I was a cop and was in a tense situation and I thought my life was in danger shit youd be in the same situation as bell, no doubt and 240 from the posts that I have read of yours you would probably do the same.
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How many seconds after he crashed into them did they shoot him?
I mean, yeah, send him to prison for bad driving, assault, DUi, whatever.
But killing him when he no longer was a threat? No, you cannot do that. I'm sure the cops had a confisuing situation, but they did make the wrong decision here. They might not belong in prison, but they certainly don't belong back on the streets, where this can happen again.
They killed an unarmed man who didn't pose a threat to them.
I think you know these things occur so rapidly there is no way to know what is really going on.
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Fact is none of us where there and none of us know what happend, honestly if I was a cop and was in a tense situation and I thought my life was in danger shit youd be in the same situation as bell, no doubt and 240 from the posts that I have read of yours you would probably do the same.
If they believed they were in danger, and they shot him, fine. They don't belong in prison.
But if they were WRONG - then they need to lose their badge.
Because they have shown they don't have the judgment in stressful situations to restrain deadly force. They didn't see his hands, so they shot him. That's bad.
In those same circumstances, if I shot an unarmed man because I was confused - I would be in prison. Yes. I'm saying they are cops so they get extra leeway in this situation - but they only deserve that leeway ONCE.
When they accidentally cap two unarmed guys next month, it'll be society's fault for re-arming and giving life/death powers to men who have proven they can't use it properly.
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I think you know these things occur so rapidly there is no way to know what is really going on.
Correct. Which is why they don't belong in prison - but they don't belong in police work either.
Most cops would have created distance/barrier between them and the situation, THEN assessed the situation. These cops emptied their clips before attempting to make space in a situation where they didn't have all the information. They were scared, whatever, and they made a mistake. They shouldn't be cops anymore.
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You're telling me he tried to ram the cops and they had to go to trial for shooting him? ???
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So...You think you're white?
uh no, im a chink...i thought you knew that ?
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Because blacks dont pay child support anyway for all their "out-of-wedlock" children, use so much govt assistance, and over populate the prisons it makes perfect sense that blacks should actually pay more in taxes.
Quit putting Black men in prison and maybe, just maybe they will go to work.
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Tony, another statement well said.
It is very evident that none (or most) of these GetBiggers have never faced the open end of a loaded weapon or even the thought that such a weapon even existed.
Believe me, your thoughts are "not your own" when that happens and an immediate load of shit in your knickers is not uncommon.
And you'll never even come close to knowing how your would react until it actually happens.
You can only know your future by looking back into it.
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Quit putting Black men in prison and maybe, just maybe they will go to work.
I think they are going to prison because of their work.
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Quit putting Black men in prison and maybe, just maybe they will go to work.
Make them quit breaking laws and maybe they'll get that chance
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Tre, isn't that something like putting the cart before the horse?
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If they believed they were in danger, and they shot him, fine. They don't belong in prison.
But if they were WRONG - then they need to lose their badge.
Because they have shown they don't have the judgment in stressful situations to restrain deadly force. They didn't see his hands, so they shot him. That's bad.
In those same circumstances, if I shot an unarmed man because I was confused - I would be in prison. Yes. I'm saying they are cops so they get extra leeway in this situation - but they only deserve that leeway ONCE.
When they accidentally cap two unarmed guys next month, it'll be society's fault for re-arming and giving life/death powers to men who have proven they can't use it properly.
Iono about taking away their badges but yes I agree that they should not necissarily be back on the streets, Maybe a desk job or some other form of job for the department. Do you think they should have waited until the guy had the gun out or was shooting at them. I mean where do you draw the line, its a tough situation.
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Tony, another statement well said.
It is very evident that none (or most) of these GetBiggers have never faced the open end of a loaded weapon or even the thought that such a weapon even existed.
Believe me, your thoughts are "not your own" when that happens and an immediate load of shit in your knickers is not uncommon.
And you'll never even come close to knowing how your would react until it actually happens.
You can only know your future by looking back into it.
Excellent post, stunt....like I said...it happen so fast...you don't even know what hits you....
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When you look at the court transcripts and such, it seems that Bell's friends were his own worst enemy. A lot of defense witnesses were drug dealers and muggers. Heck, one of the fellas in the car was still playing the hard ghetto gangster role in front of the judge, shouting down lawyers, etc.... There were also witnesses contradicting themselves on weather there was talk of having/getting a pistol.
The cops were also smart in having it tried by judge and not a jury. When you look at the facts and take feelings out of it, there just wasn't enough to convict them.
"Bell had been arrested three times, twice for drug dealing and once for a firearms possession.[7] In all cases, he was released on his own recognizance.[8] The New York Daily News reported that, according to unnamed law enforcement sources, Bell sold crack cocaine twice to a confidential police informant in August of 2006.[9] Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, also shot in the incident, had been arrested nine and three times, respectively, each having been arrested at least once for illegal firearm possession."
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I think you know these things occur so rapidly there is no way to know what is really going on.
I remember watching one of those cop shows and the cop said to a guy who was out of control "I'm going home to my wife and kids tonight, so you better show me your hands NOW". How many vids have we all watched on Youtube where the guy DOES pull out a gun and start shooting? I don't know what happened that night, but I doubt these cops just decided to shoot a guy 50 times for the fuck of it. Split-second...life or death, I'm shooting first and asking questions later. These weren't exactly church-going folk they were dealing with either. Cops get shot and killed in NYC every year. And this is coming from a guy who don't like cops all that much
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Correct. Which is why they don't belong in prison - but they don't belong in police work either.
Most cops would have created distance/barrier between them and the situation, THEN assessed the situation. These cops emptied their clips before attempting to make space in a situation where they didn't have all the information. They were scared, whatever, and they made a mistake. They shouldn't be cops anymore.
That may be true...I agree.
But, let me tell you...here in New Haven...even though Yale is here...crime is so bad that cops hate going into the 'hood' when they are called.
Damned if they do or don't...white or black...if they don't not respond fast enough....then they are absconding of their duties....if they do respond and shoot a perpetrator justly, then they are 'murderers'...
They can't win....it is a very tough, thankless job...being a cop.
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"Bell had been arrested three times, twice for drug dealing and once for a firearms possession.[7] In all cases, he was released on his own recognizance.[8] The New York Daily News reported that, according to unnamed law enforcement sources, Bell sold crack cocaine twice to a confidential police informant in August of 2006.[9] Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, also shot in the incident, had been arrested nine and three times, respectively, each having been arrested at least once for illegal firearm possession."
haha...let me paraphrase one exchange btw judge and crook in this case:
"So, Mr. Johnson, can it be said that you have been a drug user for 6 years...?"
"Well, I haven't been counting the years..."
;D
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I was a cop...let me assure you all...there might have been cause to fire, but not 50 times. A simple warning shot may have sufficed...even a leg shot could have potentially brought the situation under control...non-lethal force.
I don't know all the details of the situation...but there are few (if any) reasons to have multiple cops shooting at the same target.
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Chick...why DO you think it happened like that, then?
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Because blacks dont pay child support anyway for all their "out-of-wedlock" children, use so much govt assistance, and over populate the prisons
Raise your hand if you're surprised.
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Race SHOULD NOT be an issue here. The cops who shot him were black, right?
What SHOULD be an issue is their judgment. They are protected legally here, but they have shown in high pressure situations, they empty their guns into everyone they see.
Do you want them to open up on someone next year, perhaps using your kid's preschool as a backstop? Those 50+ bullets had to go somewhere after they were fired.
The men shouldn't be cops, that's it.
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I was a cop...let me assure you all...there might have been cause to fire, but not 50 times. A simple warning shot may have sufficed...even a leg shot could have potentially brought the situation under control...non-lethal force.
I don't know all the details of the situation...but there are few (if any) reasons to have multiple cops shooting at the same target.
Thanks for that perspective, Chick.
I know you alone cannot solve all the problems, but is there any chance you'll return to law enforcement someday?
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I was a cop...let me assure you all...there might have been cause to fire, but not 50 times. A simple warning shot may have sufficed...even a leg shot could have potentially brought the situation under control...non-lethal force.
I don't know all the details of the situation...but there are few (if any) reasons to have multiple cops shooting at the same target.
I applaud that answer, Chick.
I'm from a family that's strong LEO. Some of my grandparents and uncles are cops. It's a hard job, and they do get some leeway that others do not.
That being said, the people they shot were not a threat anymore. They were 3 unarmed men in a car. They were fuckups, sure. But they weren't a threat and they didn't deserve to be fired upon.
We've all done stupid shit - imagine if you and 2 of your friends were driving home with a buzz and the driver hit a cop car. You're scared shitless, and the kid in the back is all pissed and yelling at the cops. Suddenly they OPEN FIRE! You're drunk, you had an accident, you belong in jail - but they put you to DEATH for it!
They went overboard and shouldn't be cops anymore.
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Thanks for that perspective, Chick.
I know you alone cannot solve all the problems, but is there any chance you'll return to law enforcement someday?
Not a chance..
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Chick...why DO you think it happened like that, then?
Really hard to say..overzealous cops, perhaps.
UNless all the parties in the car suddenly stuck uzi's out the windows like in the movies...there is realy no reason for the open fire.
Even if an officer saw ONE guy with a gun in his hand...several commands would (should) be given to lower the weapon, show of hands, etc....
240 is 100% correct....there is no way to justify any of them returning to the force.
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240 is 100% correct
It took me 15,000 posts.... but it finally happened ;D
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Race SHOULD NOT be an issue here. The cops who shot him were black, right?
What SHOULD be an issue is their judgment. They are protected legally here, but they have shown in high pressure situations, they empty their guns into everyone they see.
Do you want them to open up on someone next year, perhaps using your kid's preschool as a backstop? Those 50+ bullets had to go somewhere after they were fired.
The men shouldn't be cops, that's it.
Truth be told, I did not take the race of the shooters into account at all...because that speaks to an internal issue for the Black community.
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How many seconds after he crashed into them did they shoot him?
I mean, yeah, send him to prison for bad driving, assault, DUi, whatever.
But killing him when he no longer was a threat? No, you cannot do that. I'm sure the cops had a confisuing situation, but they did make the wrong decision here. They might not belong in prison, but they certainly don't belong back on the streets, where this can happen again.
They killed an unarmed man who didn't pose a threat to them.
50 shots at one guy, sick.He was pulling out his wallet for fuck sake, not a ak47
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"Bell had been arrested three times, twice for drug dealing and once for a firearms possession.[7] In all cases, he was released on his own recognizance.[8] The New York Daily News reported that, according to unnamed law enforcement sources, Bell sold crack cocaine twice to a confidential police informant in August of 2006.[9] Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, also shot in the incident, had been arrested nine and three times, respectively, each having been arrested at least once for illegal firearm possession."
I kinda figured this...Was he trying to get his life back together, getting out of the drug scene, who knows...
I would like to read the Statement of Charges for the case. Get the whole details before I make comment. But there is no reason to empty a clip on the dude and then reload...he got shot 50 times...And all he had was a damn wallet. Yeah, a small square wallet looks just like a damn Glock.You shoot a couple in the right places he's down for the count. I knew a white kid who is doing time now for stabbing a another kid 57 times, over a female in high school. Yes, 57 times...Doesn't make any sense.
You also have to take in the officers demeanor, it is NYC, and many of NYC's finest are not the smartest nor should be in the position of being a cop. And many come from the same background as Mr. Bell.
I wonder do these thing ever occur to white men in this country? Or are those incidents not being covered as much? Why does this keep happening to black men?
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I was a cop...let me assure you all...there might have been cause to fire, but not 50 times. A simple warning shot may have sufficed...even a leg shot could have potentially brought the situation under control...non-lethal force.
I don't know all the details of the situation...but there are few (if any) reasons to have multiple cops shooting at the same target.
Bob,
They were apparently facing down a car(with possibly armed aggressors in it) being driven at them.
Also, when you were a cop, were you still armed with a revolver? People harp on the number of shots fired, but when you consider how easy it is empty a semi-auto in stressful situation, fifty shots isn't all that many.
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From what I read on this topic....there's alot of "sides" to the story & none seem to have any similarities.
Couple things which were established from reading the accounts....
1- This guy & his buddies were creating an altercation. They weren't entirely innocent & minding their own business.
2- The rammed their vehicle into an unmarked police van
3- alot of shots were fired & a man is killed
4- no weapon was found on the victims possesion.
Who's right...who was wrong....it's hard to say. Why? Because alot of the stories don't match up.
It's unfortunate this man is dead....it's also too bad he run his suck with police officers & created an altercation.
Why did the cops find it necessary to unload their weapons? Probably lack of training, fear, adrenaline, etc...
I am not saying this to be mean.....but i always wondered why the cops just didn't plant a weapon on the dead body?
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From what I read on this topic....there's alot of "sides" to the story & none seem to have any similarities.
Couple things which were established from reading the accounts....
1- This guy & his buddies were creating an altercation. They weren't entirely innocent & minding their own business.
2- The rammed their vehicle into an unmarked police van
3- alot of shots were fired & a man is killed
4- no weapon was found on the victims possesion.
Who's right...who was wrong....it's hard to say. Why? Because alot of the stories don't match up.
It's unfortunate this man is dead....it's also too bad he run his suck with police officers & created an altercation.
Why did the cops find it necessary to unload their weapons? Probably lack of training, fear, adrenaline, etc...
I am not saying this to be mean.....but i always wondered why the cops just didn't plant a weapon on the dead body?
Agreed...
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I am not saying this to be mean.....but i always wondered why the cops just didn't plant a weapon on the dead body?
Along with a little crack sprinkling. But also not in a mean way.
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Ah, gotta love the media frenzy.
Shooting of an unarmed black man? Check.
An unarmed man that was ready to be married? Check.
Over 50 rounds fired? Check.
Race of cops not mentioned, but race of victim repeatedly mentioned? Check.
Al Sharpton on the march? Check.
Race card played? Check.
Just give the blacks, hispanics, and whites their own land here in the US, and any other group that can be tossed a bone too. It's apparent we can't live in peace amongst ourselves anyways.
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It's apparent we can't live in peace amongst ourselves anyways.
Correct. The media would never allow something like that to happen.
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Just give the blacks, hispanics, and whites their own land here in the US
Then what? Two of those places will rapidly become toilets, so they systematically flee to the third until it resembles the other two. Welcome to California.
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I'm posting about this INCIDENT a few days late. The point I wanted to make is simply that this case is not as reckless as it appears because of two things. The very 1st thing is two of the deservedly acquitted police officers were indeed black. That makes this much more than a supposed police brutality case. It makes this seem to be another black on black crime. The 2nd fact is that they were coming from a nightclub that had previous police surveillance for criminal activity as well as the fact that the driver of the car of the victims rammed his vehicle into the police which gives them the right to shoot.
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uh no, im a chink...i thought you knew that ?
Um..I did,do.. That's why I wrote'YOU THINK YOU"RE WHITE?"
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I was a cop...let me assure you all...there might have been cause to fire, but not 50 times. A simple warning shot may have sufficed...even a leg shot could have potentially brought the situation under control...non-lethal force.
I don't know all the details of the situation...but there are few (if any) reasons to have multiple cops shooting at the same target.
you were a cop and were taught this? that is terrible policing. if you need to use your gun it is as a last resort only. that last resort is death. if you use that gun you are aiming for the chest and thats it. if that guy doesnt need to be shot down and killed, then there is no need to shoot.
there are no warning or leg shots. too many things can go wrong. all or nothing
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Burn that bitch down.
Gotta love American Justice...especially if you're white! Woo-hoo!!
Honestly, why should Blacks pay as much in taxes as Whites?
welfare ::)
bench
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He was told to stop - he didn't.. Tried to play thug and lost his life.
Two out the three detectives were BLACK you fucking idiots.