Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Determinator on April 28, 2008, 01:30:37 AM
-
We hear so many *pros* and *experts* mentioning the elusive enigma called muscular maturity. What is it exactly? What is this mysterious "thing" that comes with training longevity? Furthermore, if one is a natural, does he have more muscular maturity over the years? Also, if one has a long layoff from training or suffers an unfortunate injury that prevents him from training and hence he loses a lot of muscle, does this mysterious muscular maturity automatically reapper when one starts training again, or does one need to take years to obtain it again, or does it miraculously reapper with the other equally mysterious so-called "muscle memory?"
So, what exactly is muscular maturity?
(determinator:official getbig big6 member)
-
It's like "tie-ins". It can't be defined but it exists. :D
-
We hear so many *pros* and *experts* mentioning the elusive enigma called muscular maturity. What is it exactly? What is this mysterious "thing" that comes with training longevity? Furthermore, if one is a natural, does he have more muscular maturity over the years? Also, if one has a long layoff from training or suffers an unfortunate injury that prevents him from training and hence he loses a lot of muscle, does this mysterious muscular maturity automatically reapper when one starts training again, or does one need to take years to obtain it again, or does it miraculously reapper with the other equally mysterious so-called "muscle memory?"
So, what exactly is muscular maturity?
(determinator:official getbig big6 member)
I only have 2 posts but I know what that is.
how are you a member of getbig big6 and you dont know that. I think you should delete your account.
-
I only have 2 posts but I know what that is.
how are you a member of getbig big6 and you dont know that. I think you should delete your account.
Okay, wise guy, if you are such an *expert," what is the precise scientific definition?
-
Okay, wise guy, if you are such an *expert," what is the precise scientific definition?
Its an enhanced look to the muscle. The clarity and defintion is greater that that of a novice and the muscle bellies are much rounder. Deeper striations and such.
-
Its an enhanced look to the muscle. The clarity and defintion is greater that that of a novice and the muscle bellies are much rounder. Deeper striations and such.
Okay, but what about the point regarding if someone with this *maturity* has, for whatever reason, a long lay off, does it miraculously come back as soon as he starts training again?
Also, I'm a little wary on your point regarding "deeper striations" as being an indicator. Striations are as much a genetic thing as a conditioning thing. Take Cutler for example, he never gets shredded in the Heath, Greene sense, so does that mean that Cutler does not have muscular maturity, whereas Heath and other do :-\
-
I think muscular maturity is bullshit. It's not about the muscles, it's the SKIN! Nothing really happens to the muscles shapewise when you get older, but the skin does! It gets more flexible and more easily follows the muscles contures. You never see a young fella with good muscular maturity simply because their skin hasn't aged yet.
Also, you can only have that full mature ala Ronnie look for a few years before it goes overboard. Loose and defined skin becomes hanging and saggy which we're now seeing on coleman.
-
how are you a member of getbig big6 and you dont know that. I think you should delete your account.
The getbig big6 is a manifestation of his own imagination. Thats how.
-
The getbig big6 is a manifestation of his own imagination. Thats how.
Here we go again, the ever wannabe *intelligent* rocket. I've made reference to your frequent idiotic comments on previous occasions on this board. The getbig big 6 is FACT. You are just another 11th tier poster that will always be an also-ran.
-
It's something you wont need to worry about Determinator. Stick to being in the getbig 6
-
It's something you wont need to worry about Determinator. Stick to being in the getbig 6
It's quite amusing actually. A genuine question has resulted in only a few vague, but not definite answers. Really knowlegable getbiggers out there hey?
-
It's quite amusing actually. A genuine question has resulted in only a few vague, but not definite answers. Really knowlegable getbiggers out there hey?
are there things, "determinator"?
-
Here we go again, the ever wannabe *intelligent* rocket. I've made reference to your frequent idiotic comments on previous occasions on this board. The getbig big 6 is FACT. You are just another 11th tier poster that will always be an also-ran.
I could respond with similar redundant attacks but sticking to the subject, are you not the creator of the so called Getbig 6?
-
are there things, "determinator"?
Indeed.
-
I could respond with similar redundant attacks but sticking to the subject, are you not the creator of the so called Getbig 6?
The getbig big 6 was simultaneously "created" by the exclusive members, namely, myself, gh15, mars, 240, howie and donkeykong. It was almost a *sixth sense* that compelled us to act in the manner of saviours and keep the board alive with our collective wisdom and knowledge. I suppose that it is like muscular maturity, in that it is hard to define, but one knows that it exists.
-
The getbig big 6 was simultaneously "created" by the exclusive members, namely, myself, gh15, mars, 240, howie and donkeykong. It was almost a *sixth sense8 that compelled us to act in the manner of saviours and keep the board alive with our collective wisdom and knowledge. I suppose that it is like muscular maturity, in that it is hard to define, but one knows that it exists.
Like hard to know if your brain exists.
-
Like hard to know if your brain exists.
Believe, me it does.
(Determinator:official getbig big6 member-live with it)
-
The getbig big 6 was simultaneously "created" by the exclusive members, namely, myself, gh15, mars, 240, howie and donkeykong. It was almost a *sixth sense* that compelled us to act in the manner of saviours and keep the board alive with our collective wisdom and knowledge. I suppose that it is like muscular maturity, in that it is hard to define, but one knows that it exists.
Hahaha you think by associating yourself with Howie that makes you cool? Oh brother ::)
With the exception of 240 you might as well call yourselves the "nerd herd". Talk about your misinformed schmoe syndrome.
-
The getbig big 6 was simultaneously "created" by the exclusive members, namely, myself, gh15, mars, 240, howie and donkeykong. It was almost a *sixth sense8 that compelled us to act in the manner of saviours and keep the board alive with our collective wisdom and knowledge. I suppose that it is like muscular maturity, in that it is hard to define, but one knows that it exists.
It is wonderfully cute that you are attempting to rise to notoriety with a fabricated squad of your own, but every time I read that list it makes me laugh.
Still, if this is satire, it is great.
-
I only have 2 posts but I know what that is.
how are you a member of getbig big6 and you dont know that. I think you should delete your account.
hey newbie.. just to spare you from melting down like Derek..
Posts don't mean shit... You can dig up a douch with thousands of posts and still can't bench properly
-
Hahaha you think by associating yourself with Howie that makes you cool? Oh brother ::)
With the exception of 240 you might as well call yourselves the "nerd herd". Talk about your misinformed schmoe syndrome.
At the end of the day, this board goes down if we, the getbig big6, didn't post on here. Fact.
-
Compare Vic M with Dennis wolf on the O stage.
Both are big, both are lean, both have all their water out.
Vic just has a look - his muscles seem to be etched a bit deeper. Dennis might have some advantages... but Vic just has him beat in musc maturity.
-
hey newbie.. just to spare you from melting down like Derek..
Posts don't mean shit... You can dig up a douch with thousands of posts and still can't bench properly
You miss the point of the getbig big 6. One of the "entry requirements" of the red carpeted club is our overall postal quality. Over the archives I possess postal quality is abundance, as do the other five members. It is not necessarily postal numbers that matters, but quality. That is where we shine.
To the original question: So what is muscular maturity?
-
At the end of the day, this board goes down if we, the getbig big6, didn't post on here. Fact.
Yes.... your 500 posts have been crucial to the generating of traffic ::)
-
Yes.... your 500 posts have been crucial to the generating of traffic ::)
Indeed. I it is rewarding passing on knowledge etc, and the posts not only have external viewers to the board compelled to join up, but the big6 also keeps the existing ones still posting. None of us expect royalties, just appreciation for a job well done.
-
Muscle Maturity is a nice way of describing old age. ;D
-
Muscle Maturity is a nice way of describing old age. ;D
Did you find you had muscle maturity in your 40's or did you not get any until you hit 50?
-
Did you find you had muscle maturity in your 40's or did you not get any until you hit 50?
::)
-
Did you find you had muscle maturity in your 40's or did you not get any until you hit 50?
;)
-
::)
are there things, "ripitupbaby"?
-
are there things, "ripitupbaby"?
;D
-
Why does this "Determinator" deem himself as a top poster.... ???
Hes not funny and his posts are mediocre....
I bet in highschool he was one of those nerds always desperately tryin to join the cool crowd but instead he got a slap in the face.
Poor guy, his life revolves around a message board :-\
-
Why does this "Determinator" deem himself as a top poster.... ???
Hes not funny and his posts are mediocre....
I bet in highschool he was one of those nerds always desperately trying to join the cool crowd but instead he got a slap in the face.
Poor guy, his life revolves around a message board :-\
Determinate replies:
I am not meaning to be "funny," as you put it, and my posts, save for this type of defence post, are first class. Hence your first point is incorrect.
Regarding your statement concerning my schooling. No such scenario unfolded. Hence your statement is again, unsurprisingly, incorrect.
Finally, my life does not "revolve around a message board," again as you put it. I merely post here on occasion to enrich other posters life's. This is one of the selfless qualities possessed by the exclusive big6. Remember, you also post on this board, and in reply to me, hence, that would infer, in your own train of thought, that your own life *also* revolves around a message board. Food for thought perhaps?
-
Determinate replies:
I am not meaning to be "funny," as you put it, and my posts, save for this type of defence post, are first class. Hence your first point is incorrect.
Regarding your statement concerning my schooling. No such scenario unfolded. Hence your statement is again, unsurprisingly, incorrect.
Finally, my life does not "revolve around a message board," again as you put it. I merely post here on occasion to enrich other posters life's. This is one of the selfless qualities possessed by the exclusive big6. Remember, you also post on this board, and in reply to me, hence, that would infer, in your own train of thought, that your own life *also* revolves around a message board. Food for thought perhaps?
boring too :-\
-
Determinate replies:
I am not meaning to be "funny," as you put it, and my posts, save for this type of defence post, are first class. Hence your first point is incorrect.
Regarding your statement concerning my schooling. No such scenario unfolded. Hence your statement is again, unsurprisingly, incorrect.
Finally, my life does not "revolve around a message board," again as you put it. I merely post here on occasion to enrich other posters life's. This is one of the selfless qualities possessed by the exclusive big6. Remember, you also post on this board, and in reply to me, that would infer, in your own train of thought, that your own life *also* revolves around a message board. Food for thought perhaps?
One thing that never fails to amuse me, is a highly unintelligent individual trying to sound intelligent.
Kudos for the effort Determinator, however you fail miserably at trying to convince us of your supreme intellectual capacity.
-
boring too :-\
More of a case of your feeble intelligence fails to understand.
-
More of a case of your feeble intelligence fails to understand.
Ok mr "Determinator" aka Nerd f aggot ;D
-
One thing that never fails to amuse me, is a highly unintelligent individual trying to sound intelligent.
Kudos for the effort Determinator, however you fail miserably at trying to convince us of your supreme intellectual capacity.
On the contrary. I am not under any notion trying to "convince" anyone of my so-called (to use your own words) "supreme intellectual capability." Thus you argument, as per an above poster, is similarly incorrect.
-
One thing that never fails to amuse me, is a highly unintelligent individual trying to sound intelligent.
Kudos for the effort Determinator, however you fail miserably at trying to convince us of your supreme intellectual capacity.
For the record, I happen to have attained a first class honours degree in mathematics. Yes, that achievement is always made by unintellectual people.
-
On the contrary. I am not under any notion trying to "convince" anyone of my so-called (to use your own words) "supreme intellectual capability." Thus you argument, as per an above poster, is similarly incorrect.
Misquoted.
Grammatical errors.
Now this is just getting plain embarassing for you. Perhaps some readers of these boards would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, however, I must dismiss you as yet another member of the infidel. Please delete your account while you still have some self esteem left.
-
The getbig big 6 was simultaneously "created" by the exclusive members, namely, myself, gh15, mars, 240, howie and donkeykong. It was almost a *sixth sense* that compelled us to act in the manner of saviours and keep the board alive with our collective wisdom and knowledge. I suppose that it is like muscular maturity, in that it is hard to define, but one knows that it exists.
HA, obama elites
-
Misquoted.
Grammatical errors.
Now this is just getting plain embarassing for you. Perhaps some readers of these boards would be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, however, I must dismiss you as yet another member of the infidel. Please delete your account while you still have some self esteem left.
Surely someone as dense as yourself would maybe realise that perhaps, just perhaps, the "you" was supposed to be the word "your?" Ditto for the misquote. I'm sure that the getbiggers do not painfully analyse their own posts prior to submission? Come on, even you could work that one out. Well, perhaps.
BTW, whilst we are on this subject, you would do well to remember that "embarassing" is supposed to be spelt with two r's. Like you said, "embaRRassing."
-
Determinator:official getbig big6 member.
-
Surely someone as dense as yourself would maybe realise that perhaps, just perhaps the "you" was supposed to be the word "your?" Ditto for the misquote. I'm sure that the getbiggers do not painfully analyse their own posts prior to submission? Come on, even you could work that one out. Well, perhaps.
BTW, whilst we are on this subject, you would do well to remember that "embarassing" is supposed to be spelt with two r's. Like you said, "embaRRassing."
So now I am "dense".
Could the intellectually elite "Determinator" be resorting to the childish artform of name calling?
Whats the matter.... was the battle of wits too taxing on your poor wittle brain. Does baby want to go on the ground and have a kick? Oh there there mommy will make it all better....
-
i would say muscle maturity is a phrase coined by people who want to downplay the greatness of young physiques. a guy like coleman may have muscle maturity, but his physique is horrible. a guy like heath may not have muscle maturity, but his muscles are full, separated, striated and has a very nice looking physique. so do with that what you will.
if im wrong and there is an explanation for it, please inform us!
-
when I think of muscle maturity i think of the quality of the muscle.
Mature muscle is very dense, hard and dry. It is not something that can be earned your first time dieting down, it usually takes years.
-
are there things, "determinator"?
Damn good question!
-
Alex A is correct.
You will see this time of muscle on guys who have been consistently training for 20 years and up, and who are often in their late 30's, forties and even fifties.....time is the only way to come upon these results...and very hard, injury-free (relatively) training...
-
when I think of muscle maturity i think of the quality of the muscle.
Mature muscle is very dense, hard and dry. It is not something that can be earned your first time dieting down, it usually takes years.
Alex, give examples of muscle maturity and immaturity with pros or amateurs, please. I want to see if my definition of dense is the same as yours.
-
John Citrone vs. Evan Centopani
Citrone= 40+ year competitor...still looks great
Centopani= several year competitor...best years still ahead of him...looks great in different way
Moosejay
-
well, I heard a lot of people said that Dexter jackson got Phil heath in check when it comes to muscle maturity, well, I kind of Agree. Dexter is almost a decade older than Phil, I can see the argument.
-
John Citrone vs. Evan Centopani
Citrone= 40+ year competitor...still looks great
Centopani= several year competitor...best years still ahead of him...looks great in different way
Moosejay
heres a comparison.
-
heres a comparison.
hard to tell on pics...thanks GA...VG
BTW...I think Citrone is in his 60's there!
-
pic was taken in 2002
-
We hear so many *pros* and *experts* mentioning the elusive enigma called muscular maturity. What is it exactly? What is this mysterious "thing" that comes with training longevity? Furthermore, if one is a natural, does he have more muscular maturity over the years? Also, if one has a long layoff from training or suffers an unfortunate injury that prevents him from training and hence he loses a lot of muscle, does this mysterious muscular maturity automatically reapper when one starts training again, or does one need to take years to obtain it again, or does it miraculously reapper with the other equally mysterious so-called "muscle memory?"
So, what exactly is muscular maturity?
(determinator:official getbig big6 member)
Nothing to do with muscle bellies.
Muscle Maturity: The abilty of the body to continue to show clarity of definition between muscle groups as the body grows over time.
More to the point, it is anti-palumboism. Someone like Levrone clearly maintained deep cuts and striations even though his whole physique grew larger over his career.
As an example of bad muscle maturity are BBs who grow ever larger and the cuts wash out and they get a "thick skin" look. Like Ronnie has now vs. the early 90s, and Branch W has, and of course in extreme cases, like Kovacs or Palumbo.
Your welcome.
-
My muscles are very mature.the other day I was drinking with friends at a bar.
when one my buddies was about to sit down I was gonna pull the chair away at the last second.right before I did it my right pec said "dude that not a very mature thing to do"
-
We hear so many *pros* and *experts* mentioning the elusive enigma called muscular maturity. What is it exactly? What is this mysterious "thing" that comes with training longevity? Furthermore, if one is a natural, does he have more muscular maturity over the years? Also, if one has a long layoff from training or suffers an unfortunate injury that prevents him from training and hence he loses a lot of muscle, does this mysterious muscular maturity automatically reapper when one starts training again, or does one need to take years to obtain it again, or does it miraculously reapper with the other equally mysterious so-called "muscle memory?"
So, what exactly is muscular maturity?
(determinator:official getbig big6 member)
As you mature from youth into your late thirties to forties, the bounds between actin and myosin in your muscles become less spaced, resulting in a " tighter" look to your muscles. A good example of muscle maturity would be Ronnie Coleman. At the 2005 Mr.Olympia he was 41 going on 42, and his muscle maturity set him apart from the young men in their late twenties and early thirties who were trying to beat him.
-
My muscles are very mature.the other day I was drinking with friends at a bar.
when one my buddies was about to sit down I was gonna pull the chair away at the last second.right before I did it my right pec said "dude that not a very mature thing to do"
that's what i thought. i felt i achieved muscle maturity when i stopped using the pull my finger gag.
-
when I was 19, a 16 year old kid at the gym told me that I had great muscle maturity. :-\
-
Some of those later respones are great and go a long way to explaining the phenomenon. The earlier posters were just clueless, but just pretend otherwise.
-
Some of those later respones are great and go a long way to explaining the phenomenon. The earlier posters were just clueless, but just pretend otherwise.
Pot, have you met kettle?
-
Pot, have you met kettle?
You were included in my indication of all-hot-air 11th tier posters.
-
You were included in my indication of all-hot-air 11th tier posters.
Isn't it interesting how you are always trying to create these little groups, with the purpose of ranking yourself better than others.... either you have huge self confidence issues, or a bad case of penis envy.
Which one "determinator"?
-
This is muscle maturity, this is from the npc nc state championships on april 19th, i placed second on the left at 21 years old, the guy on the right won at 40 years old, we weighed about the same but you can definitely see the muscle maturity he has over me.
-
jwinn8705, i wouldnt call that muscle maturity. seems it was more to do with his ability to nail his conditioning, especially as he is 40 years old. he likely has worked on it for a long time.
-
This is muscle maturity, this is from the npc nc state championships on april 19th, i placed second on the left at 21 years old, the guy on the right won at 40 years old, we weighed about the same but you can definitely see the muscle maturity he has over me.
Good shot. You are more than holding your own there.
-
-
Isn't it interesting how you are always trying to create these little groups, with the purpose of ranking yourself better than others.... either you have huge self confidence issues, or a bad case of penis envy.
Which one "determinator"?
Again an incorrect remark. I challenge you to state when I am "always trying to create these little groups?" The key word here is *always.* The only so-called group that exists is the exclusive getbig big 6, with members consisting of 240, donkey, Howie, gh15, mars and myself. That is the only so-called group. There is no "always" creating of these groups :-\
-
when I was 19, a 16 year old kid at the gym told me that I had great muscle maturity. :-\
Did you tell candidizzle to buzz off ???
-
This is muscle maturity, this is from the npc nc state championships on april 19th, i placed second on the left at 21 years old, the guy on the right won at 40 years old, we weighed about the same but you can definitely see the muscle maturity he has over me.
Excellent example...and you look great.
At 40, I placed 4th in the master's, beaten by Charlie Moss. who was in his 50's
-
Determinator, judging from my reply above, would you say I have graduated from being an 11th tier poster to perhaps the 10th tier?
-
Determinator, judging from my reply above, would you say I have graduated from being an 11th tier poster to perhaps the 10th tier?
With time and further study, you may accelerate through the ranks and find yourself in the 5th tier. Genetics will limit your progress from there.
-
Excellent. Then I will continue to try and refrain from "epic" mindless posting and focus on quality.
-
You guys are making this wayyyy too complicated.......
THINNER SKIN.....DENSER MUSCLES....end of discussion
-
The great DJ SANTOS has the most mature muscles I have ever seen. VOTE NOW!!!
-
Excellent. Then I will continue to try and refrain from "epic" mindless posting and focus on quality.
Which would also be my advice to you.
-
Alex A is correct.
You will see this time of muscle on guys who have been consistently training for 20 years and up, and who are often in their late 30's, forties and even fifties.....time is the only way to come upon these results...and very hard, injury-free (relatively) training...
wwould you say that branch warren has MUSCLE MATURTY ?