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Title: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 28, 2008, 01:57:36 PM
Damn!!!  She and her friend have their routine worked out. 


http://www.breitbart.tv/html/84523.html
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: emn1964 on April 28, 2008, 02:39:13 PM
Damn!!!  She and her friend have their routine worked out. 


http://www.breitbart.tv/html/84523.html

might be more lucrative for you than the flea markets
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: FullROM on April 28, 2008, 02:39:43 PM
might be more lucrative for you than the flea markets

LOL
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: stuntmovie on April 28, 2008, 02:58:36 PM
That ain't nutten! I know a guy (gtreat bodybuilder BTW) who works a busy intersection with a long red light.

He cleans your windshield, sings your favorite song, offers a cup of coffee, and hits a bicep pose when the light turns green.

He says he stays on that corner until he pockets $100+ and then spends a couple of hours in the gym.

I asked him how long he spends at that intersection each day and he said the longest time ever was 3 hours during a slow Saturday morning.

And on good days he stays until he makes $200 due to repeat customers, but those good days never exceed three hours.

One customer gets his cup of coffee and his windows cleaned every morning, but now he wants a receipt; so he simply lets him drive on through.

I'll get his picture at his next contest. Better yet, I'll take a picture of his intersection operation on my next drive by.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on April 28, 2008, 03:01:37 PM
might be more lucrative for you than the flea markets


Its more lucrative than most school teachers.  Its pretty sad
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: emn1964 on April 28, 2008, 03:03:14 PM

Its more lucrative than most school teachers.  Its pretty sad

are you saying Howard should pan handle instead of teach?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 03:06:34 PM

Its more lucrative than most school teachers.  Its pretty sad

Nah, teachers start at a decent level.  it's the slow income growth trend that sucks.  They pay you decent right out of college for the 8.5 months you actually work. 

FL is one of the cheaper states, and teachers start in the 30k range.  Problem is, they peak out at 55k, after THIRTY years of work, which is insane.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 03:08:44 PM
That ain't nutten! I know a guy (gtreat bodybuilder BTW) who works a busy intersection with a long red light.

He cleans your windshield, sings your favorite song, offers a cup of coffee, and hits a bicep pose when the light turns green.

He says he stays on that corner until he pockets $100+ and then spends a couple of hours in the gym.

I asked him how long he spends at that intersection each day and he said the longest time ever was 3 hours during a slow Saturday morning.

And on good days he stays until he makes $200 due to repeat customers, but those good days never exceed three hours.

One customer gets his cup of coffee and his windows cleaned every morning, but now he wants a receipt; so he simply lets him drive on through.

I'll get his picture at his next contest. Better yet, I'll take a picture of his intersection operation on my next drive by.

Vegas?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: stuntmovie on April 28, 2008, 03:28:53 PM
No, Knny, not Vegas! They'd run him over there! One Las Vegas "bum" is like any other in that town.

This guy only works high class neighborhoods like Laguna Beach.

Knny, do you remember the OFFICIAL Greeter in Laguna Beach many years back. He had a long beard and always wore a classy red jacket. He was the town greeter on the side of Pacific Coast Hwy for many years, but as far as I know, he never accepted handouts.

Someone told me recently that he got hit by a truck while greeting it with a big smile on his face.

Any truth to that?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 03:59:55 PM

Its more lucrative than most school teachers.  Its pretty sad

LAUSD and OC start at around $48,000
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 04:01:28 PM
No, Knny, not Vegas! They'd run him over there! One Las Vegas "bum" is like any other in that town.

This guy only works high class neighborhoods like Laguna Beach.

Knny, do you remember the OFFICIAL Greeter in Laguna Beach many years back. He had a long beard and always wore a classy red jacket. He was the town greeter on the side of Pacific Coast Hwy for many years, but as far as I know, he never accepted handouts.

Someone told me recently that he got hit by a truck while greeting it with a big smile on his face.

Any truth to that?

Don't know Laguna Beach

I lived in San Diego for years.  There used to be the same guy on I 5 exit for La Jolla Village Dr.  Everyday at red lights I used to watch 2-3 cars give this guy 2-3 bucks.  He used to stay there for 3-4 hours a day.  For some reason, if you offered him food or a jobe hye would say 'no'.

 ::)
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 04:12:10 PM
LAUSD and OC start at around $48,000

what's the cost of living in Cali?  Is it really that high? 

Milk in Fla is $3.79, gas is $3.57... what are thes items there?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
what's the cost of living in Cali?  Is it really that high? 

Milk in Fla is $3.79, gas is $3.57... what are thes items there?

Yeah, Lori went back to school to get her teaching credentials. The cost of living here is rediculous. So when I say what I payed for my home people think I live in a mansion (like that moron Enthenator) here. You don't get much out here for what you pay as far as a home. BTW, the average price for gas is $3.77 and the gym that I run my business from just doubled my rent >:(

Seriously considering opening my own place!!
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 04:27:00 PM
Yeah, Lori went back to school to get her teaching credentials. The cost of living here is rediculous. So when I say what I payed for my home people think I live in a mansion (like that moron Enthenator) here. You don't get much out here for what you pay as far as a home. BTW, the average price for gas is $3.77 and the gym that I run my business from just doubled my rent >:(
Seriously considering opening my own place!!

Wow... here in SW Florida, 6 months ago, everybody was hiring and they couldn't hire enough college kids to work places.  The tourism industry has choked and everything dried up almost instantly.  Food spiked in the last 2 months.  Rent dropped a lot though - 1 in every 80 homes is actually in foreclosure. 
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: stuntmovie on April 28, 2008, 04:30:16 PM
Might be off the subject here a bit but since I was a kid, I've always given whatever change I had in my pocket when someone less fortunate needed help.

When I was in high school, I had a job with the post office which was located in the meanest, worst part of San Francisco were every bum and drunk that showed some pride in being such a proficient bum, congregated there and pissed on every  sidewalk in that part of town. (Howard Street -South of Market - Now the home of million dollar apartments.)

I'd always save one of my peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches and give it to the first bum who approached as I got off the bus.

Then one day, this happened which made me change my modus operandi.

COACH ... Gas up here in No Cal is pass the $4 mark and will continue to rise until is slowly slows in the $5 area. This fact alone is gonna change the US/world economy as we know it. Family member has Chevron stock and is happy as shit. But that stock if you want to come out a winner. Should be splitten soon.

I had cashed my paycheck and stopped in McDonald's to get a Big Mac and a chocolate shake and saw a worn out bum standing on the near-by corner, so I ordered a Happy Meal to go in addition to my Big Mac with the intent of offering him his one and only meal that day.

I walked across the street to give it to him and he looked inside the bag and said, "What the fuck is this for?!"

I assumed I was that often heard about "stranger bearing gifts" and simply headed off.

On another occasion I was in New York City with my cousins who are Cirque du Soleil performers. It was a sunny Sunday afternoon and we were in Central Park and they threw their baseball caps on the lawn and started doing handstands and Cirque type acrobatic moves.

Without realizing it they had drawn a sizeable crowd and when they gathered their baseball caps, they realized that they were $300+ richer.

Knowing the Big Apple well, it was probably $600 but for that little kid with the Guido hat that appeared to be falling off his head.

Another fact that is kind of sad, but there used to be an armless and legless man asking for donations outside of Harrah's Hotel/Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. I only saw him once but I have been told that he was there often and was picked up by a chauffeured limo each evening.

Just another couple of examples on how to get rich if  you want or need that money bad enough even when you don't expect it.




Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Emmortal on April 28, 2008, 04:30:45 PM
what's the cost of living in Cali?  Is it really that high? 

Milk in Fla is $3.79, gas is $3.57... what are thes items there?

I pay about $5.50 for a gallon of milk and $4.30 for gas in LA.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: onlyme on April 28, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
That ain't nutten! I know a guy (gtreat bodybuilder BTW) who works a busy intersection with a long red light.

He cleans your windshield, sings your favorite song, offers a cup of coffee, and hits a bicep pose when the light turns green.

He says he stays on that corner until he pockets $100+ and then spends a couple of hours in the gym.

I asked him how long he spends at that intersection each day and he said the longest time ever was 3 hours during a slow Saturday morning.

And on good days he stays until he makes $200 due to repeat customers, but those good days never exceed three hours.

One customer gets his cup of coffee and his windows cleaned every morning, but now he wants a receipt; so he simply lets him drive on through.

I'll get his picture at his next contest. Better yet, I'll take a picture of his intersection operation on my next drive by.

Why are giving away how Chic makes his real income. ;D  JK big Bob

But there was something on the news here a few years back where they had a hidden camera that followed this one guy who begged for money at the freeway on ramp.  He would make about $400 a day and then walk behind this wall and there was a new Jeep Cherokee he would get into and drive off.  They figured this guy made about $4000 to $5000 a month begging for money.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 05:52:11 PM
Yeah, Lori went back to school to get her teaching credentials. The cost of living here is rediculous. So when I say what I payed for my home people think I live in a mansion (like that moron Enthenator) here. You don't get much out here for what you pay as far as a home. BTW, the average price for gas is $3.77 and the gym that I run my business from just doubled my rent >:(

Seriously considering opening my own place!!

Boy thats a mistake.  Right now our good ole govenor is eliminating teaching jobs & education budget cuts
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 05:56:50 PM
Damn!!!  She and her friend have their routine worked out. 


http://www.breitbart.tv/html/84523.html

Vince, you don't think this is good money, do you?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:00:25 PM
Boy thats a mistake.  Right now our good ole govenor is eliminating teaching jobs & education budget cuts

It's all good right now, she won't be able to apply for at least another year until she finishes the credential program.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Kegdrainer on April 28, 2008, 06:02:03 PM
my stepmother retired from the NYC school system making 88k/year.  Pension is based on the last year's salary too.  She's turning 60 next month and making more off her pension than I make at my job.  Not too shabby.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:02:46 PM


COACH ... Gas up here in No Cal is pass the $4 mark and will continue to rise until is slowly slows in the $5 area. This fact alone is gonna change the US/world economy as we know it. Family member has Chevron stock and is happy as shit. But that stock if you want to come out a winner. Should be splitten soon.



Is that for regular or premium? The $3.77 I mentioned was for regular and the premium was around $4.03.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:06:45 PM
my stepmother retired from the NYC school system making 88k/year.  Pension is based on the last year's salary too.  She's turning 60 next month and making more off her pension than I make at my job.  Not too shabby.


We have a few teachers for clients and they said on more than one occation that a teachers retirement is good.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 06:09:11 PM
240,

You do realise that most of Europe is paying $6 to $7 a gallon for gas right? And that's on top of lower wages and higher taxes... you whinging Americans make me sick.


The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:11:31 PM
We have a few teachers for clients and they said on more than one occation that a teachers retirement is good.

They need it, though. They do not get social security and have to put in a minimum 35 years...contrast that with police or firefighters, who need only 20.

The true value is usage of time, and, unless you really love it, 35 years is a long bout of hard labor.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:12:00 PM
240,

You do realise that most of Europe is paying $6 to $7 a gallon for gas right? And that's on top of lower wages and higher taxes... you whinging Americans make me sick.


The Luke


Don't include me in that........I'm not whining.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:14:27 PM
240,

You do realise that most of Europe is paying $6 to $7 a gallon for gas right? And that's on top of lower wages and higher taxes... you whinging Americans make me sick.


The Luke

 I agree.

As long as we have the big problems we do with obesity, for instance, then there certainly is no 'crisis'.

To thinbk so is pathetic.

If people are eating enough, indeed, severely OVEREATING...then the US is fine.

I think gas should be higher.

We have had it very easy here for a long time.

Denmark has gas prices approaching 8 bucks, and have had this for years.

Quit buying the starbucks lattes, and driving these ridiculously huge, penis-replacement vehicles.

And we will all be fine.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:14:36 PM
They need it, though. They do not get social security and have to put in a minimum 35 years...contrast that with police or firefighters, who need only 20.

The true value is usage of time, and, unless you really love it, 35 years is a long bout of hard labor.

35 years? I'm not sure it's that long here (Cali) but if that true Lori wouldn't recieve retirement benes until she was 77 :'(
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 06:16:47 PM
It's all good right now, she won't be able to apply for at least another year until she finishes the credential program.

Maybe...maybe not.

They are laying of hundreds to thousands of teachers (potentially).

A year from now....what is going to give her more eligibility than those that were laid off?

Things in the school systems are done by experience & years of service.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:17:04 PM
Yes...here in Connecticut...but I guess it varies from state to state.

Anyway, if you love what you do (As I do and I think you do) then it really doesn't matter....you won't worry, and when the dust settles on your work career, you will be fine with money.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:18:46 PM
Maybe...maybe not.

They are laying of hundreds to thousands of teachers (potentially).

A year from now....what is going to give her more eligibility than those that were laid off?

Things in the school systems are done by experience & years of service.

Also, there is a movemnet in CT to banish teachers whose kids do poorly on testing.

So, it may actually be a boon to GOOD teachers...in that they will always be employed.

Remember ONE THING the mnedia will not tell you about unemployment...

And that is:

The numb er of people who are simply UNEMPLOYABLE.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 06:19:34 PM
Maybe...maybe not.

They are laying of hundreds to thousands of teachers (potentially).

A year from now....what is going to give her more eligibility than those that were laid off?

Things in the school systems are done by experience & years of service.

She could teach at a private school?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: onlyme on April 28, 2008, 06:21:40 PM
what's the cost of living in Cali?  Is it really that high? 

Milk in Fla is $3.79, gas is $3.57... what are thes items there?

Those prices are cheaper than here in Vegas.  And they are way off compared to Hawaii.  especially milk.  Milk is cheap here I love it
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
Yes...private schools are generally known for beiung very bloyal to their teachers...in many catholic schools here in CT you can have a job for life.

However...

The pay is considerably lower than public schools.

they are, after all, almost entirely privately subsidized.

By the way, Coach...if the gym did double your rent, and you plan on training people for at least ten -15 more years...you should buy your own place.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 06:26:59 PM
She could teach at a private school?

& make even shittier money

I know a teacher right now teaching at a private school & took the job because she was a new teacher & getting in a public school was too tough.

Same thing will apply though.....


where do you think all these teacher's will go when they get laid off?

You have to remember...two-three years ago California started their massive employment push for teachers & eductation.  This are the ones that are going to get laid off first because lack of years.




I want to be clear & tell Lori to keep going forward with the plan.  Nothing is set in stone at this point.  But there is a crisis going on right now if Arnold's Bill goes through.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: knny187 on April 28, 2008, 06:27:47 PM
Yes...private schools are generally known for beiung very bloyal to their teachers...in many catholic schools here in CT you can have a job for life.

However...

The pay is considerably lower than public schools.
they are, after all, almost entirely privately subsidized.

By the way, Coach...if the gym did double your rent, and you plan on training people for at least ten -15 more years...you should buy your own place.

bingo
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
Coach,


I really think that every American should spend a year living and working in France.

America...
-average working week: 50 hours
-major cost for most households: health insurance
-20% of population has no health insurance
-the healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world
-one of the worst educational systems in the developed world

France...
-average working week: 35 hours (with a minimum of 5 weeks holidays, even for part timers)
-unlimited sick days (by law)
-a statutory benefits package that even American CEOs would be envious of
-major cost for most households: mortgage and discretionary spending (fun money)
-ALL INCLUSIVE healthcare... the homeless go on the same waiting list as the president
-the BEST healthcare system in the world (despite spending a fraction of Americas per capita spending)
-one of the best education systems in the world, which is completely free from kindegarten to PhD


...but if any American politician tries to raise these issues they are dismissed as being "French thinking"!

What are American voters concerned about? Panhandlers... Mexicans... Gays... terrorism...

At the very least every American voter should read Jared Diamond's "Collapse".


The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:35:16 PM
You do realise that most of Europe is paying $6 to $7 a gallon for gas right? And that's on top of lower wages and higher taxes... you whinging Americans make me sick.

Yes... closer to 8 or 9 when you add in that $2 tax also, right?

Yes, I know we're being some whiny shites here.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:36:19 PM
I think gas should be higher.

You do know that everything you buy will be higher too, right?

Your statement should read "I think food should be higher", because trucks use gas to get the food to stores.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:36:56 PM
There are some private, upper-echelon prep schools in places like CT, NH, VT and Maine that pay so-so, but they provide teachers with housing and meals.

If you are single or have a wife or husband who works...this can be a great deal. You can tutor on the side and freelance during Summers.

I have a friend who had his own clinical psychology practice for 20 years...retired from that, and now does the decribed as above,

By the way, I will NEVER donate $ to the two Universities I graduated from.

They don't njeed the money...they are financial juggernauts.

I will and do always donate to my private highschool...I agree with their nononsense ideals, and they are always in true need.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:39:17 PM
Coach,


I really think that every American should spend a year living and working in France.

America...
-average working week: 50 hours
-major cost for most households: health insurance
-20% of population has no health insurance
-the healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world
-one of the worst educational systems in the developed world

France...
-average working week: 35 hours (with a minimum of 5 weeks holidays, even for part timers)
-unlimited sick days (by law)
-a statutory benefits package that even American CEOs would be envious of
-major cost for most households: mortgage and discretionary spending (fun money)
-ALL INCLUSIVE healthcare... the homeless go on the same waiting list as the president
-the BEST healthcare system in the world (despite spending a fraction of Americas per capita spending)
-one of the best education systems in the world, which is completely free from kindegarten to PhD


...but if any American politician tries to raise these issues they are dismissed as being "French thinking"!

What are American voters concerned about? Panhandlers... Mexicans... Gays... terrorism...

At the very least every American voter should read Jared Diamond's "Collapse".


The Luke

Maybe...

But...

The French system obviously does not stimulate any motivation for anyone to create anything...with so many guaranteed 'perks'...

And that 37th rank in healthcare is very dubious, Luke...
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 06:40:29 PM
Yes... closer to 8 or 9 when you add in that $2 tax also, right?

Our tax is added to everything... it's already in the price.

In actual fact we've had a 400% tax on gasoline for about three decades now. You buy €10 of petrol and you get two dollars of gasoline and pay €8 of tax.


The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:40:51 PM
She could teach at a private school?

Pvt schools pay less, often require higher degrees (they gotta have some phds on staff to justify charging so much).

Many of them have the religious slant too.

Education budgets will be severely cut in 2008/9 nationwide.  My wife is a teacher and they're cutting everything in her school - assistants, supplementary programs, etc.  And they're letting everyone go without 2 years of experience.  

It used to be, people from up north came to FL to get teaching experience.  Now they're moving out west, as the jobs here are getting slashed big time.  

I used to teaching web design nights to adults... it was $40 to $50 per hour and easy work... all those programs got cut statewide too :(
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:41:06 PM
You do know that everything you buy will be higher too, right?

Your statement should read "I think food should be higher", because trucks use gas to get the food to stores.

 I know 240...my father was a teamster/trruck driver for 40 years (talk about a great pension)

And I LIKE paying taxes.

It means I am making a lot of money (The more I pay)...and doing so helps lubricate the wheels of the economy.

Call me crazy, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:43:20 PM
Coach,


I really think that every American should spend a year living and working in France.

America...
-average working week: 50 hours
-major cost for most households: health insurance
-20% of population has no health insurance
-the healthcare system is ranked 37th in the world
-one of the worst educational systems in the developed world

France...
-average working week: 35 hours (with a minimum of 5 weeks holidays, even for part timers)
-unlimited sick days (by law)
-a statutory benefits package that even American CEOs would be envious of
-major cost for most households: mortgage and discretionary spending (fun money)
-ALL INCLUSIVE healthcare... the homeless go on the same waiting list as the president
-the BEST healthcare system in the world (despite spending a fraction of Americas per capita spending)
-one of the best education systems in the world, which is completely free from kindegarten to PhD


...but if any American politician tries to raise these issues they are dismissed as being "French thinking"!

What are American voters concerned about? Panhandlers... Mexicans... Gays... terrorism...

At the very least every American voter should read Jared Diamond's "Collapse".


The Luke

Luke, what do the French pay for taxes...when you say FREE educationb...I am just curious what you do about your tax base....
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:44:33 PM
I know 240...my father was a teamster/trruck driver for 40 years (talk about a great pension)
And I LIKE paying taxes.
It means I am making a lot of money (The more I pay)...and doing so helps lubricate the wheels of the economy.
Call me crazy, but that's just me.

I don't mind high prices for food/gas too much... I work from home, rarely drive, and buy all my food from costco in bulk for super cheap.

But the problem is that 25% of the population will suddenly have a hard time eating/driving.

Robberies go up.  Domestic violence goes up.  Child neglect goes up.  All these ripple out, because poor people don't have the elasticity with spending that you do.  And as a result, they bring down society's property value
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:46:51 PM
I don't mind high prices for food/gas too much... I work from home, rarely drive, and buy all my food from costco in bulk for super cheap.

But the problem is that 25% of the population will suddenly have a hard time eating/driving.

Robberies go up.  Domestic violence goes up.  Child neglect goes up.  All these ripple out, because poor people don't have the elasticity with spending that you do.  And as a result, they bring down society's property value

Correct.

I don't have to go into the reality  of choice...I know you know this. You are a product of your actions...blah blah blah...

Doesn't help that people will suffer...

But at any given time in history, there arte those who thrive, those whgo suffer

The cycle goes on and on
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
Correct.
I don't have to go into the reality  of choice...I know you know this. You are a product of your actions...blah blah blah...
Doesn't help that people will suffer...
But at any given time in history, there arte those who thrive, those whgo suffer
The cycle goes on and on


yeah, we're totally on the same page.  Smart people saw all this coming months ago and tightened budgets/planned accordingly.  People without elasticity in spending and some savings are going to be in for a rough spell soon. 
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: keanu on April 28, 2008, 06:51:09 PM
240,

You do realise that most of Europe is paying $6 to $7 a gallon for gas right? And that's on top of lower wages and higher taxes... you whinging Americans make me sick.


The Luke

We will be at those gas prices in 3 years. Our taxes are most definately going much higher. Our economy is entering a serious term of stagflation. The middle class is getting smaller. There will be a divide between rich and poor.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:51:29 PM

yeah, we're totally on the same page.  Smart people saw all this coming months ago and tightened budgets/planned accordingly.  People without elasticity in spending and some savings are going to be in for a rough spell soon. 

Yes.

Some will actually grow from the harshness and end up doing well in the longrun.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 06:52:28 PM
We will be at those gas prices in 3 years. Our taxes are most definately going much higher. Our economy is entering a serious term of stagflation. The middle class is getting smaller. There will be a divide between rich and poor.

Yes.

But  YOU as an individual...it does not have to happen to YOU.

Take the 'we' and the 'our' out of your statement, and YOU will be fine :)
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: 240 is Back on April 28, 2008, 06:53:59 PM
Yes.

Some will actually grow from the harshness and end up doing well in the longrun.

Yep.  When I was little, my great-grandparents had survived the Depression.

They kept tons of toilet paper - a full closet worth - because that was scarce during rationing.  And they canned their own food every year.  They could close all the stores tomorrow, and Grandma and Grandpa would eat for 3 years without missing a beat.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 06:56:18 PM
Maybe...

But...

The French system obviously does not stimulate any motivation for anyone to create anything...with so many guaranteed 'perks'...

And that 37th rank in healthcare is very dubious, Luke...

...Jesus dude, have you been completely brainwashed by FOX NEWS?

None of that is accurate...

The French system obviously does not stimulate any motivation for anyone to create anything...with so many guaranteed 'perks'...
...what the fuck?

France has:
-a higher education standard
-better living index
-lower crime rate
-substantially lower murder rate
-substantially less gun crime
-substantially less homelessness
-substantially less poverty
-better literacy
-an independent media
-a better, more efficient judiciary
-independence from foreign oil (nuclear power)
-the French are happier, live longer and they're not fat.

And France does all this while having a lower GDP than the US... that's efficiency.

And that 37th rank in healthcare is very dubious, Luke...
...not according to the UN and WHO reports.

Americans forget that 20% of them aren't covered and and that percentage is increasing exponentially... the only reason they don't understand how those 50 million uninsured compatriots bring down the average is because they went to shockingly poor American schools.


The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:00:25 PM
The UN? Now THERE is a top-flight organization....bereft of corruption and/or ulterior motives.

And the 45 million uninsureds here....many are youths with good jobs who CHOOSE to take more money rather than healthcare from their employers, because they live behind the 'youthful veil of invincability...

Anbd still millions more are illegals...they should not get SQUAT, anyhow

Luke...tell me what the thousands upon thousands of French youths did when your government opined to take away the guaranteed lifetime jobs always given them./...wasn't there rioting in the streets or something akin to that.

I think its good you are proud of your country. I say nationalism is something toi be proud of.

Maybe because I am a jingoist.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 07:03:24 PM
Maybe because I am a jingoist.

...no, you are a mushroom.

Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.


The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:04:25 PM
But I am in America...thank God

USA, USA, USA, USA..... ;D
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:05:20 PM
...no, you are a mushroom.

Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.


The Luke

By the way...quick...go look up 'jingoism'...you obviously don't know what it is...

French education MY ASS ;)
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: SirTraps on April 28, 2008, 07:07:58 PM
Ya Moosejaw, this country is in great shape  ::)

      We are on the brink of a depression and very likely could see 7-10 dollar gas by the end of this year.  Faux News should be illegal.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:10:59 PM
Ya Moosejaw, this country is in great shape  ::)

      We are on the brink of a depression and very likely could see 7-10 dollar gas by the end of this year.  Faux News should be illegal.

Traps...many folk's actions recede and they float comfortably into mediocrity or worse because they here about 'depression'...


Using that term alone is a very colossal slap in the face to people who really went through a depression at the early end of last century.

Just don't buy into it.

This country and its people are resilient,

That is why we are who we are.

Waht kills us also feeds us.

Things are not really bad.

Just quit watching CNN (Communist News Network) :D
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:17:28 PM
...no, you are a mushroom.

Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.


The Luke

Speaking of the dark

Isn't that where

the French practice their hygiene?
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this perso
Post by: The Luke on April 28, 2008, 07:18:05 PM
Ya Moosejaw, this country is in great shape  ::)

      We are on the brink of a depression and very likely could see 7-10 dollar gas by the end of this year.  Faux News should be illegal.

...has anyone considered that "depression" is the wrong word. The word you are looking for is "collapse".

Remember New Orleans?
Is America in a better position to handle a catastrophe now than it was when Katrina rolled into town?

New Orleans... Detroit... two dominoes down, a hundred major cities to go.

Saving a complete overhaul of American society/culture the Huns have breached the walls and Rome is burning.



The Luke
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 07:19:00 PM
Lighten up Frances...err...I mean, Francois
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Disgusted on April 28, 2008, 08:07:42 PM
Whether right or wrong these news guys are just a much pieces of shit, actually worse.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
Correct.

Currently, 'journalist' in the media are the least trusted of the professions.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: The Coach on April 28, 2008, 08:19:35 PM
Yes...private schools are generally known for beiung very bloyal to their teachers...in many catholic schools here in CT you can have a job for life.



By the way, Coach...if the gym did double your rent, and you plan on training people for at least ten -15 more years...you should buy your own place.


I do think about it all the time, I even wrote a new business plan for it, but the more I look into it the more I realize how good I have it here and even though they doubled my rent my overhead is still much much lower than if I had my own place plus they haven't raised my rent in 5 years until now. I have two offices here, one for me and an office where I employ a chiropractor and message therapist and I now pay $1200.00 for both spaces including full use of the gym for of course personal training.
Title: Re: Professional Panhandling makes 26,000 dollars a year tax free for this person
Post by: Moosejay on April 28, 2008, 08:22:06 PM
I do think about it all the time, I even wrote a new business plan for it, but the more I look into it the more I realize how good I have it here and even though they doubled my rent my overhead is still much much lower than if I had my own place plus they haven't raised my rent in 5 years until now. I have two offices here, one for me and an office where I employ a chiropractor and message therapist and I now pay $1200.00 for both spaces including full use of the gym for of course personal training.

well, in CA those are very good rates, so I see your position.