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Title: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: 240 is Back on April 29, 2008, 06:21:50 AM
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is proposing a greater federal commitment to people without health insurance on Tuesday, suggesting that it help funds states to set up non-profit risk pools to help Americans who are denied coverage or can’t afford it.

McCain’s health-policy experts provided a ballpark estimate of $7 billion a year for the new federal commitment.

“Cooperation among states in the purchase of insurance would … be a crucial step in ridding the market of both needless and costly regulations, and the dominance in the market of only a few insurance companies,” McCain says in remarks prepared for delivery Tuesday morning in Tampa, Fla.

McCain is announcing his “Guaranteed Access Plan” on the second day of a “Call To Action” health-care tour that will later take him to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, and Colorado.

Until now, McCain has emphasized such conventional conservative measures as tax deductions and malpractice reform. His new stance moves him closer to where former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney was during the primary, an approach McCain had criticized.

McCain is taking a step beyond tax incentives and tort reform, but not a leap. He is noncommittal in his remarks, pointing to the non-profit organizations as one effective approach that he would discuss with governors.

Critics contend that under new tax incentives McCain has proposed, the richest and healthiest employees would opt out of their current coverage, leaving employers covering the sickest workers – those with preexisting conditions -- and likely lead companies to stop offering coverage. Individuals with pre-existing conditions who no longer have access to coverage through the workplace would have difficulty finding affordable coverage. These new federally-funded high-risk pools are an effort to address that concern by making coverage more available to some of those who might not be able to find coverage on their own.

On chronic diseases, McCain plans to support giving the Food and Drug Administration the explicit power to regulate nicotine – an authority that the FDA now assumes but that tobacco companies have challenged in court, and points to the cost benefits of helping people quit smoking .

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: w8tlftr on April 29, 2008, 06:58:31 AM
I was just reading about this.

This is what I mean when I tell liberals they don't have anything to worry about.

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: War-Horse on April 29, 2008, 03:52:00 PM
The scary part is i dont think he means it.   He knows to get elected he better go left for awhile as the numbers show.    Once in office he would continue on course with bushs policys, most likely.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: 240 is Back on April 29, 2008, 03:56:38 PM
he obviously doesn't mean it, or he would have condemned it before he gave the big speech.

but, denouncing it categorically means he cannot be attacked anymore (he was being attacked for standing by his man).

Now, FOX has to say "Reverend is crazy *and obama agrees".

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: shootfighter1 on April 29, 2008, 05:21:25 PM
We'll have to see.  I think pooling people together to get better rates on insurance coverage is an excellent idea.  I hope he sticks with this idea, it has some merit.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: Benny B on April 29, 2008, 08:27:30 PM
McCain has to come up with some kind of plan or he will be embarrassed on the health care issue in the fall. The majority of Americans want major changes to the current health care system. Specifically, affordable health care for all citizens.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: Hedgehog on April 30, 2008, 06:05:08 AM
I was just reading about this.

This is what I mean when I tell liberals they don't have anything to worry about.



It is not a "liberal" move to ask for more government involvement.

Anyone who thinks so should check out what Liberalism means.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: w8tlftr on April 30, 2008, 06:43:55 AM
It is not a "liberal" move to ask for more government involvement.

Anyone who thinks so should check out what Liberalism means.

You're right but I believe that's because you see it from a European point of view. In American politics "liberal" has been associated with "progressive" and "socialism".

Liberalism should be about individual liberty, freedom, and independence from the government.

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: Camel Jockey on April 30, 2008, 07:01:17 AM
You're right but I believe that's because you see it from a European point of view. In American politics "liberal" has been associated with "progressive" and "socialism".

Liberalism should be about individual liberty, freedom, and independence from the government.



Yeah. Even the word conservative has lost it's meaning.. It meant small government, strong emphasis on civil liberties and other core liberal values. Now it's just associated with faith, pro-life and other stuff.

I call myself a libertarian these days. It's the only political philosophy that makes any sense to me.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: Benny B on April 30, 2008, 07:18:46 AM
I call myself a libertarian these days. It's the only political philosophy that makes any sense to me.
Oh brother, we have another one.  ::)
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: w8tlftr on April 30, 2008, 07:47:53 AM
Oh brother, we have another one.  ::)

What is exactly wrong with being a Libertarian?

You're against personal liberty and decentralized government?

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: w8tlftr on April 30, 2008, 07:53:32 AM
Yeah. Even the word conservative has lost it's meaning.. It meant small government, strong emphasis on civil liberties and other core liberal values. Now it's just associated with faith, pro-life and other stuff.

I call myself a libertarian these days. It's the only political philosophy that makes any sense to me.

That's exactly what conservative is supposed to mean. It's supposed to be about the protection of individual civil liberties and the safeguarding of traditional constitutional values.




Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: Benny B on April 30, 2008, 08:09:42 AM
What is exactly wrong with being a Libertarian?

You're against personal liberty and decentralized government?

I have no problem with the concept in theory, just some of those who "claim" to be one. It's the latest fashion.  ::)
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: w8tlftr on April 30, 2008, 08:13:08 AM
I have no problem with the concept in theory, just some of those who "claim" to be one. It's the latest fashion.  ::)

Fair enough.

Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: shootfighter1 on April 30, 2008, 09:00:43 AM
"That's exactly what conservative is supposed to mean. It's supposed to be about the protection of individual civil liberties and the safeguarding of traditional constitutional values".

I couldn't agree more, and thats the idea this country was founded upon.  Our founding fathers feared a government that was too powerful and so should we.

I don't know how conservatism has come to focus on faith, pro-life, anti-stem cell, limiting gay rights, ect.  That to me is right wing but has nothing to do with the original definition of being conservative.  I hate the 2 party system because we have too many diverse opinions to be categorized by 2 parties.

Nothing wrong with being a true Libertarian, as long as we understand government is necessary from certain functions.
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: shootfighter1 on April 30, 2008, 09:02:52 AM
Back to healthcare...

I am all for the free market but healthcare should be monitored more, perhaps like utilities.  People's healthcare often suffer at the profits of insurance companies.  The insurance companies don't care about people, doctors, nurses, or improving our overall healthcare...they care about profit.  There has to be a way for the government to regulate healthcare without running it (because that would be a disaster).
Title: Re: Liberal McCain moving to left on healthcare - wants MORE govt involvement!
Post by: War-Horse on April 30, 2008, 09:58:20 AM
Back to healthcare...

I am all for the free market but healthcare should be monitored more, perhaps like utilities.  People's healthcare often suffer at the profits of insurance companies.  The insurance companies don't care about people, doctors, nurses, or improving our overall healthcare...they care about profit.  There has to be a way for the government to regulate healthcare without running it (because that would be a disaster).



Exactly.  Minimal intervention would be good.   Right now the sky is the limit.....