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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: Heywood on April 29, 2008, 10:24:44 AM
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Are there any health food store products that provide a natural increase in testosterone?
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The best I have used is Stak 2 by Universal, Animal Test by Universal, and TZ3 by Scifit.
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no but the grocery store has red meat, whole eggs, and other foods like olives tha all do wondeful things for testosterone./
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I agree, go get yourself a bottle of olive oil and put it on all your food. Else if you want something that will raise your test levels get Novedex XT by gaspari. Take 2-4 at night before bed. Within 2 weeks you will notice a big difference. The stuff also has anti aromatise stuff. It will wife out any Estrogen in your system. In my expeirence the result is you will have no sex drive and not really care. If you do anything for a job that requires creativity I would advise against it. Estogen is needed for emotional creative stuff.
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I agree, go get yourself a bottle of olive oil and put it on all your food. Else if you want something that will raise your test levels get Novedex XT by gaspari. Take 2-4 at night before bed. Within 2 weeks you will notice a big difference. The stuff also has anti aromatise stuff. It will wife out any Estrogen in your system. In my expeirence the result is you will have no sex drive and not really care. If you do anything for a job that requires creativity I would advise against it. Estogen is needed for emotional creative stuff.
it is atd which is an anti aromatase, thats how it works.
nettle root in bulk powder is good, alont with eurycoma longolifia and a few other supps. but nettle root is cheap and effective.
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nettle root works as anti aromatase?
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since ive got nothing else to do at the moment, darksole, and since it seemed like maybe you didnt have a complete understanding of how a product like novadex works..ill take some time and explain it bro. :)
novadex is made up of ATD. ATD is a rather potent "anti aromatase". aromatase is the name of a enzyme in the body that converts testosterone into estrogen. the male body does not produce estrogen, but rather it produces an abundance of testosterone and uses aromatase to get its estrogen. an "anti aromatase" like ATD simple "turns off" this enzyme, thus stoppiing your testosterone from being converted into estrogen
this boosts testosterone levels in several ways
a) the simple way... simply, if your body normall produces 10mg of test, and converts 5 mg into estrogen, then you would have 5 mg test and 5 mg estrogen. but, turn off that conversion, and now youve got 10mg test.
B) now once your body has got 10mg test, and 0mg estrogen, your body senses it has no estrogen, and it starts to produce more testosterone in order to create estrogen. but since your aromatase is shut off, all that new testosterone stays testosterone. so, lets say it produced an extra 5 mg test, now you have 15 mg total test created, where as normally you might only have 5mg.
c) shgb is something in the body that "binds" to testosterone and renders it inneffective. so normall, you might have 20% of your testosteron innefective because it is "bound" to shgb. but, the cool thing about increases test is that shgb levels are inversely proportional to test levels. so the more test you have, the less shgb you have. the less shgb you have, the more test you have!
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nettle root works as anti aromatase?
i beleive it works on LH.
suicide inhibitors are not all peaches and cream however.
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Thanks I appreciate your more in depth explanation of why the stuff works and how. But I have a question for you. Since you state that your body detects that it is lacking estrogen, and it makes more test so it can be converted, does this result is a continous climb of test levels? Or does it eventually ceiling out? Its kind of interesting how it works, as it tricks your body into making more test. Didn't know that. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge
since ive got nothing else to do at the moment, darksole, and since it seemed like maybe you didnt have a complete understanding of how a product like novadex works..ill take some time and explain it bro. :)
novadex is made up of ATD. ATD is a rather potent "anti aromatase". aromatase is the name of a enzyme in the body that converts testosterone into estrogen. the male body does not produce estrogen, but rather it produces an abundance of testosterone and uses aromatase to get its estrogen. an "anti aromatase" like ATD simple "turns off" this enzyme, thus stoppiing your testosterone from being converted into estrogen
this boosts testosterone levels in several ways
a) the simple way... simply, if your body normall produces 10mg of test, and converts 5 mg into estrogen, then you would have 5 mg test and 5 mg estrogen. but, turn off that conversion, and now youve got 10mg test.
B) now once your body has got 10mg test, and 0mg estrogen, your body senses it has no estrogen, and it starts to produce more testosterone in order to create estrogen. but since your aromatase is shut off, all that new testosterone stays testosterone. so, lets say it produced an extra 5 mg test, now you have 15 mg total test created, where as normally you might only have 5mg.
c) shgb is something in the body that "binds" to testosterone and renders it inneffective. so normall, you might have 20% of your testosteron innefective because it is "bound" to shgb. but, the cool thing about increases test is that shgb levels are inversely proportional to test levels. so the more test you have, the less shgb you have. the less shgb you have, the more test you have!
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Thanks I appreciate your more in depth explanation of why the stuff works and how. But I have a question for you. Since you state that your body detects that it is lacking estrogen, and it makes more test so it can be converted, does this result is a continous climb of test levels? Or does it eventually ceiling out? Its kind of interesting how it works, as it tricks your body into making more test. Didn't know that. Thanks again for sharing the knowledge
yes there is a definite ceiling. i am actually no expert man, i only have an elemntary understading of how this stuf works, so i cant give you any kind of "mg" limit that there is to the bodys own production. and it varies from person to person.
but as i showed you, test is raised three seperate times(inhibits conversion, less shgb, and more production) . so it is a big boost, enough to make a difference.
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since ive got nothing else to do at the moment, darksole, and since it seemed like maybe you didnt have a complete understanding of how a product like novadex works..ill take some time and explain it bro. :)
novadex is made up of ATD. ATD is a rather potent "anti aromatase". aromatase is the name of a enzyme in the body that converts testosterone into estrogen. the male body does not produce estrogen, but rather it produces an abundance of testosterone and uses aromatase to get its estrogen. an "anti aromatase" like ATD simple "turns off" this enzyme, thus stoppiing your testosterone from being converted into estrogen
this boosts testosterone levels in several ways
a) the simple way... simply, if your body normall produces 10mg of test, and converts 5 mg into estrogen, then you would have 5 mg test and 5 mg estrogen. but, turn off that conversion, and now youve got 10mg test.
B) now once your body has got 10mg test, and 0mg estrogen, your body senses it has no estrogen, and it starts to produce more testosterone in order to create estrogen. but since your aromatase is shut off, all that new testosterone stays testosterone. so, lets say it produced an extra 5 mg test, now you have 15 mg total test created, where as normally you might only have 5mg.
c) shgb is something in the body that "binds" to testosterone and renders it inneffective. so normall, you might have 20% of your testosteron innefective because it is "bound" to shgb. but, the cool thing about increases test is that shgb levels are inversely proportional to test levels. so the more test you have, the less shgb you have. the less shgb you have, the more test you have!
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Mrs. Snobum here...What does this do to women then and is it effective on women?
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Mrs. Snobum here...What does this do to women then and is it effective on women?
to be honest, i have no idea.
but i would not suggest you mess with your hormones, mrs sno bum. IMO, females look much better with out doing so.
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Any opinions on Tribulus products:
Quoted from an advertisement: "Tribulus has been marketed because research performed in Bulgaria and Russia indicates that tribulus increases levels of the hormones testosterone (by increasing luteinizing hormone), DHEA, and estrogen. The design of these research studies, however, have been questioned. "
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Any opinions on Tribulus products:
Quoted from an advertisement: "Tribulus has been marketed because research performed in Bulgaria and Russia indicates that tribulus increases levels of the hormones testosterone (by increasing luteinizing hormone), DHEA, and estrogen. The design of these research studies, however, have been questioned. "
Trib won't raise test but will help with LH so you will get more WOOD! ;D It is great for Libido for sure...
Van Bilderass posted a study in the hardcore board that showed Trib did not raise test..
Gotta love advertising ;)
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Am I correct in assuming that one should only take one product at a time, then note the results over 4 to 8 weeks, then try something else is needed?
Or is there any benefit in taking more than one product at one time?
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Am I correct in assuming that one should only take one product at a time, then note the results over 4 to 8 weeks, then try something else is needed?
Or is there any benefit in taking more than one product at one time?
yes, its called synergy
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Any opinions on Tribulus products:
Quoted from an advertisement: "Tribulus has been marketed because research performed in Bulgaria and Russia indicates that tribulus increases levels of the hormones testosterone (by increasing luteinizing hormone), DHEA, and estrogen. The design of these research studies, however, have been questioned. "
I would rather buy a bottle of peanuts... cheaper and contains more zinc and magnesium than Tribulus...
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I would rather buy a bottle of peanuts... cheaper and contains more zinc and magnesium than Tribulus...
they are not claiminng it raises hormones via eliminating zma defecieny
it goes through lh
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Regarding DHEA:
Any pros/cons or advice regarding DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone), such as the capsules sold at GNC?
I haven't seen it mentioned much, and was wondering if it is not recommended.
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since ive got nothing else to do at the moment, darksole, and since it seemed like maybe you didnt have a complete understanding of how a product like novadex works..ill take some time and explain it bro. :)
novadex is made up of ATD. ATD is a rather potent "anti aromatase". aromatase is the name of a enzyme in the body that converts testosterone into estrogen. the male body does not produce estrogen, but rather it produces an abundance of testosterone and uses aromatase to get its estrogen. an "anti aromatase" like ATD simple "turns off" this enzyme, thus stoppiing your testosterone from being converted into estrogen
this boosts testosterone levels in several ways
a) the simple way... simply, if your body normall produces 10mg of test, and converts 5 mg into estrogen, then you would have 5 mg test and 5 mg estrogen. but, turn off that conversion, and now youve got 10mg test.
B) now once your body has got 10mg test, and 0mg estrogen, your body senses it has no estrogen, and it starts to produce more testosterone in order to create estrogen. but since your aromatase is shut off, all that new testosterone stays testosterone. so, lets say it produced an extra 5 mg test, now you have 15 mg total test created, where as normally you might only have 5mg.
c) shgb is something in the body that "binds" to testosterone and renders it inneffective. so normall, you might have 20% of your testosteron innefective because it is "bound" to shgb. but, the cool thing about increases test is that shgb levels are inversely proportional to test levels. so the more test you have, the less shgb you have. the less shgb you have, the more test you have!
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Nolva for itself cannot do the trick... I might be wrong, but for nolva to act you have already to have an excess of testosterone being aromatised... isn't it? So with normal test production I don't think nolva can be that effective... but then again I can be wrong... I know for sure that with proviron things don't work that way, because proviron can actually shut down normal test production in order to start being effective in your system... Once I tried Prov by it self, because I was tired and wasn't having enough testosterone being produced, well the result was catastrophycal, I got even worst... however nolva is EXCELLENT to bring back normal test production after a cycle and avoid aromatase even at 10mg day...
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Nolva for itself cannot do the trick... I might be wrong, but for nolva to act you have already to have an excess of testosterone being aromatised... isn't it? So with normal test production I don't think nolva can be that effective... but then again I can be wrong... I know for sure that with proviron things don't work that way, because proviron can actually shut down normal test production in order to start being effective in your system... Once I tried Prov by it self, because I was tired and wasn't having enough testosterone being produced, well the result was catastrophycal, I got even worst... however nolva is EXCELLENT to bring back normal test production after a cycle and avoid aromatase even at 10mg day...
NOLVADEX is an anti estrogen, NOVADEX is an anti aromatase. your talking about something different bro.
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NOLVADEX is an anti estrogen, NOVADEX is an anti aromatase. your talking about something different bro.
I thought you were talking about nolva... I never heard about "novadex"... well now your explanation makes sense.
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Trib won't raise test but will help with LH so you will get more WOOD! ;D It is great for Libido for sure...
Van Bilderass posted a study in the hardcore board that showed Trib did not raise test..
Gotta love advertising ;)
MidniteRambo and I discussed something similar awhile back. He posted a study that said that Trib didn't raise testosterone levels. However, in this study, the "large dose" of Trib that the subjects were taking was 1.5 mg per lb. of bodyweight (that would be 300 mg for a 200-lb. man).
That's less than half of the average Tribulus capsule. Nobody who has reported any success with that supplement uses that little. I've used 1000-1500 mg of it per day, when I take it. Others have used even more.
If you're looking for inexpensive Tribulus products, Ultimate Nutrition is a great one. 2 capsules yield 1500 mg of Tribulus and a bottle usually runs for $25 or less.
Another product you might wish to consider is Vitamin Shoppe's Python. A 60-tablet bottle is about $10; a 120-tablet bottle goes for $16. 2 tablets give 500 mg of Trib, along with 200 mg of Avena Sativa, 400 mg of Urtica diocia, along with other ingredients. However, these tablets are more like large pills and taste quite bitter. I've used 4-6 tablets per day.
Give either product a try and see what you think.
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NOLVADEX is an anti estrogen, NOVADEX is an anti aromatase. your talking about something different bro.
So for what I have been seeing NOVEDEX (that is how it is presented) is even better than nolvadex... hummm... Even to be used as an anti-estrogen...hummm ... On its description it says that its use should be descontinued after 8 weeks... If it works the way you described it is the best supplement ever created... hummm again... ???
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So for what I have been seeing NOVEDEX (that is how it is presented) is even better than nolvadex... hummm... Even to be used as an anti-estrogen...hummm ... On its description it says that its use should be descontinued after 8 weeks... If it works the way you described it is the best supplement ever created... hummm again... ???
it works differently than nolvadex. nolvadex stops estrogen from taking its effect. novadex stops your body from ever creaing that estrogen to begin with.
IMO, yes i would prefer to take novadex (anti aromatase) than nolvadex(anti estrogen). because in both cases, your body gets nothign from estrogen. but with ai, your body has more testosterone.
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Candidizzle, do you have any opinions on DHEA regarding test boosting properties?
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Candidizzle, do you have any opinions on DHEA regarding test boosting properties?
heres is what i know
cholestrol > dhea > androstenedione > testosterone
at least i am pretty sure thats correct
BUT, i dont know if it converts into test when you take it supplementally.
usmokepole would be the better guy for this question.
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heres is what i know
cholestrol > dhea > androstenedione > testosterone
at least i am pretty sure thats correct
BUT, i dont know if it converts into test when you take it supplementally.
usmokepole would be the better guy for this question.
If I remember correctly, about 6 percent of androstendione gets turned into testosterone. The question is what percentage of DHEA gets turned into andro.
DHEA is quite cheap. I've seen 60-tablet bottles of Natrol's DHEA (50 mg) for as little as $5. My guess is that you'd have to take quite a bit of it to get any "kick" from it.
Bill Phillips claimed, in his 1997 Sports Supplement Guide, that "This is just my opinion, but if you take 200 milligrams a day and don't 'feel it', you ain't gonna--at any dose."
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If I remember correctly, about 6 percent of androstendione gets turned into testosterone. The question is what percentage of DHEA gets turned into andro.
DHEA is quite cheap. I've seen 60-tablet bottles of Natrol's DHEA (50 mg) for as little as $5. My guess is that you'd have to take quite a bit of it to get any "kick" from it.
Bill Phillips claimed, in his 1997 Sports Supplement Guide, that "This is just my opinion, but if you take 200 milligrams a day and don't 'feel it', you ain't gonna--at any dose."
Here's what I found, from the guy who helped bring andro to the market, Patrick Arnold:
The king of the prohormones is a steroid known as 4-androstenediol, or Androdiol®.1 It's a direct precursor and metabolite of testosterone. You might not have heard of 4-androstendiol (also abbreviated as 4-AD) because it's not a common androgen metabolite and, as such, isn't discussed in the literature as much as androstenedione and DHEA. However, it's formed in several tissues, such as placenta, uterus, testicles, adrenal cortex, hypothalamus, and pituitary, but it doesn't stick around very long because it quickly converts to testosterone.2
For those of you who have at least a little bit of a chemistry background (or even care), it converts via the enzyme 3beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (3beta-HSD). The conversion is rapid and much more efficient than that of other prohormones, resulting in considerably more testosterone production. Take a look at the following comparison of the conversion rates of various prohormones:
Compounds and Percent Testosterone Formed*
DHEA: 0.35%
5-Androstenediol: 0.19%
Androstenedione: 5.61%
4-Androstenediol: 15.76%
*The amount of testosterone formed upon incubation in human blood. (Source: Blaquier, J., Forchielli, E., and Dorfman, R., Acta Endocrinologica, 55, 697-704)
It's no contest. This data shows 4-AD to be far superior to androstenedione in regard to testosterone conversion. To illustrate it another way, 4-AD is 281% more efficient in T conversion than its closest competitor, androstenedione.
http://www.netrition.com/androdiol.html (http://www.netrition.com/androdiol.html)
If the DHEA figure is correct, it would take 1000 mg of DHEA to get 3.5 mg of testoterone (assuming there are no other conversion things happening).
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now THAT is some good info. thanks for that contribution mcway !
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try androtest. you can get it on prosource wbesite.
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try androtest. you can get it on prosource wbesite.
just looked it up. it will make you feel good. but thats about it
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i beleive it works on LH.
suicide inhibitors are not all peaches and cream however.
Can you explain? I was considering exemestane for PCT use, or possibly novadex. What are the drawbacks?
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Can you explain? I was considering exemestane for PCT use, or possibly novadex. What are the drawbacks?
well real serms have a list of sides, but the ones i was referring to if cycled as a monotherapy was low libido, and possible lethargy, and mood related issues.
for pct, it should be fine as it is a compensated state.
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Can any of these legal health food products actually end up reducing test levels and produce estrogen?
I read this sometimes under "side-effects" and I don't understand if it applies to these non-pharmaceutical replacements, or just to the actual drugs.
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Can any of these legal health food products actually end up reducing test levels and produce estrogen?
I read this sometimes under "side-effects" and I don't understand if it applies to these non-pharmaceutical replacements, or just to the actual drugs.
lol no dude eggs red meat olives macadmia nuts fruits.. all fo them - testosterone
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Candidizzle, I was referring to the products mentioned in this thread, such as DHEA, Trib, Novadex, Gaspari products, Stak 2 by Universal, etc. I was just wondering if this was an issue.
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well real serms have a list of sides, but the ones i was referring to if cycled as a monotherapy was low libido, and possible lethargy, and mood related issues.
These are the symptoms of low estrogen in males. Paradoxically, high estrogen causes similar symptoms.
Suicide inhibitors easily drive estrogen too low.
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These are the symptoms of low estrogen in males. Paradoxically, high estrogen causes similar symptoms.
Suicide inhibitors easily drive estrogen too low.
i think if your worried about your health you should stay away from anything that unnaturally messes with the endocrine system anyways...... the way i see it is super low estrogen levels= dry dry dry lean ripped physique... super high estrogen levels = fat, watery, muscled physique