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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Training Q&A => Topic started by: Boost on May 01, 2008, 03:59:57 PM
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I deadlift in a pair of sweat pants, and im noticing im scraping my knees when i lower the barbell on the deadlift, this is resulting in scabs on my knees/lower quads. any tips?
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Bro, if you whine this much about getting a minor scrape, what are you gonna do if you ever get a REAL injury?
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hopefully i won't get an injury :P
So u get the same (scabs) and just put up with it?
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hopefully i won't get an injury :P
So u get the same (scabs) and just put up with it?
Wear sweatpants if you must, to keep the knurling from scratching the shins. But remember, a little blood never hurt anybody. And whatever you do, don't use lifting gloves. Non-calloused hands are for fagg&ts ;D
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what about straps? im at a point now where i can do 315 x 5 and im finding my grip is gettin real weak for the last couple of reps. Would it be best to start using straps?
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what about straps? im at a point now where i can do 315 x 5 and im finding my grip is gettin real weak for the last couple of reps. Would it be best to start using straps?
Straps are fine. Sweatpants will help with scraping up your shins.
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what about straps? im at a point now where i can do 315 x 5 and im finding my grip is gettin real weak for the last couple of reps. Would it be best to start using straps?
get yourself some chalk and you probably won't be out lifting your grip
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pulling in sweatpants is a terrible idea if you're scraping your legs, because the friction is going to slow you down. wear some shorts, put water on your shins if you need to, and deal with it. my shins don't even grow hair any more thanks to pulling. :P
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hopefully i won't get an injury :P
So u get the same (scabs) and just put up with it?
dont listen to these 'war heroes' who think you have to be HARDCORE to workout. its just testosterone mentality.
if your scraping your knees, ur bending the knees too early. in deadlift lowering phase, you lower with the upperbody, followed by a bend of the knees once the bar reaches knee height. try to always keep the knees inline with the toes or preferably a bit further back to the sole of the foot (does this make sense?). this will help prevent the bar scraping the knees/shins, and is better for your ankles too.
deadlift is like squat - u try to keep the lower legs straight, and just bend at the knees.
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who the hell scrape their knees when they deadlift ?
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who the hell scrape their knees when they deadlift ?
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i remember a video of one of bolton's WRs where you can see his shin start bleeding.
knees are a bit weird, though. i agree with GA that if you're catching your KNEES you need to fix your form, but hitting your shins is usually par for the course.
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pulling in sweatpants is a terrible idea if you're scraping your legs, because the friction is going to slow you down. wear some shorts, put water on your shins if you need to, and deal with it. my shins don't even grow hair any more thanks to pulling. :P
The friction really isn't going to slow you down enough to be a factor. At least it's never been for me. I don't wear huge wooly sweatpants though, their the thin nylon type. The bar slides easily along the material.
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unfortunately some of us really can't get around the scrapes due to the length of out knees to torso ratio. Try an alternate grip one hand over the top and the other underhande and you will be fine. Also with this type of grip don't reach straight down for the bar rather grip at about opposing 45 degree angles so and grab tighlty so that when you begin to pull up it will feel as if the skin of the palms is going to pull off (don't worry it won't) You can put tape down your shins if you want or wear sweatpants or bleed. i simply think it is good that you haven't forgotten a great exercise in your schedule. Sadly, most gym warriors have...
Lastly, practice, practice, practice great form with a lighter weight until your hips feel loose and you will never have an injury and always look up!
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i remember a video of one of bolton's WRs where you can see his shin start bleeding.
knees are a bit weird, though. i agree with GA that if you're catching your KNEES you need to fix your form, but hitting your shins is usually par for the course.
I honestly can't remember a time where I've ever had the bar hit anything but thigh when I lock out
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keep the bar a bit away from the knees ::) ::) ::)
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dont listen to these 'war heroes' who think you have to be HARDCORE to workout. its just testosterone mentality.
This ain't knitting class, dumbass, it's strength training. You sound like the kind of guy who wears lifting gloves and douses his hands with moisturizer after every workout just so you can have smooth skin ::)
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This ain't knitting class, dumbass, it's strength training. You sound like the kind of guy who wears lifting gloves and douses his hands with moisturizer after every workout just so you can have smooth skin ::)
hahahhhaaa brutal PANDAE!!! but so true..... ;D
Booster!!!!! Deal with it bro, just stay at 315 until the weight doesn't hit your knees anymore.
I tag a knee every now and then when I get to heavier weights......who cares?
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this isnt world war 2 either, grandpa. spare us with your war stories about how you 'bled for us bitches'. the gym is a place to get fit/strong/bigger, not to get cuts all over yourself. if you have a fixation with bleeding and getting hurt, try taking up mma fighting or joining a massochist club.
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this isnt world war 2 either, grandpa. spare us with your war stories about how you 'bled for us bitches'. the gym is a place to get fit/strong/bigger, not to get cuts all over yourself. if you have a fixation with bleeding and getting hurt, try taking up mma fighting or joining a massochist club.
Settle down "Gonegay" it's only the internet.
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maybe goneaway should reach down into the back of his shorts and lend booster some vasaline
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sigh.
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this isnt world war 2 either, grandpa. spare us with your war stories about how you 'bled for us bitches'. the gym is a place to get fit/strong/bigger, not to get cuts all over yourself. if you have a fixation with bleeding and getting hurt, try taking up mma fighting or joining a massochist club.
dude if you're in the business of getting bigger and stronger you're going to have to deal with a raked up midsection from a tight belt, scraped shins from pulling, torn up hands, etc. it has nothing to do with being "macho" it's just something you cope with.
i didn't bleed for anyone, i just realize that if i wanna get the biggest lifts i can, now and again i'm going to have to suck it up and deal with a little nick on my shin or a ripped callus.
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DL's are not meant for everyone, including Romanian, Sumo, the one legged Bulgarian version or even the old style Jefferson lift. Of course using a trap bar (true Olympic style) would solve just about everything. Shin scraps and the knees getting in the way. Also offer a better, more natural hand position. All this is less strain on the back because you are not leaning too much forward trying to not hit the shins & knees. Sweats will not help that much. To the extreme, you could use shin guards.. Or maybe get a pair of those farmer walk devices and fine a way to add extra plates on them. Could probably make up a pair your self or have fab/weld shop do it for you.
Every PL'er I have seen, or known, will kiss those shins every once in a while with the bar. Even among the top class lifters. Usually when their tired at the end of a maxed out workout. Kind of like a badge of honor with a lot of lifters. A little blood, a little pain can be a little price paid for getting huge and strong. Guy's who handle heavier weight on a regular bases will get the occasional torn palm or maybe even finger tips. You will heal, these are only minor things. Got to look at the big picture, like being so large you have to walk through a normal sized door sideways.
If anyone wants to tap his full potential in lifting weight off the floor than try hip/back lifting. Will require a heavy duty hip belt. The weight you can build up to in that lift will make your present PB in the DL look like a warm-up weight. Try for higher reps of 12 to 20 and see what happens size and strength wise. Good Luck.
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dude if you're in the business of getting bigger and stronger you're going to have to deal with a raked up midsection from a tight belt, scraped shins from pulling, torn up hands, etc. it has nothing to do with being "macho" it's just something you cope with.
i didn't bleed for anyone, i just realize that if i wanna get the biggest lifts i can, now and again i'm going to have to suck it up and deal with a little nick on my shin or a ripped callus.
but a callus and nicked shin is something you can avoid, by wearing gloves and by knowing how to do the deadlift so the bar doesnt touch your shin or knee. i know not everyone wants to wear gloves due to grip, so callus is par for course in that respect, but the shin thing shouldnt be happening often at all. that defeats part of the purpose of training, imo, unless u train purely for strength and dont care about how your body looks
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but a callus and nicked shin is something you can avoid, by wearing gloves and by knowing how to do the deadlift so the bar doesnt touch your shin or knee. i know not everyone wants to wear gloves due to grip, so callus is par for course in that respect, but the shin thing shouldnt be happening often at all. that defeats part of the purpose of training, imo, unless u train purely for strength and dont care about how your body looks
1) gloves are a stupid, stupid thing to wear while deadlifting. it is impossible to keep your grip on the bar with maximal weights.
2) if your body mechanics are thus that the bar scrapes your shins, then tough it out. it would be HORRENDOUSLY dumb to try and "fix" your form to put the bar further in front of you, that's just begging for a lower back injury. speaking as a guy who just recently fucked up his lower back, you can trust me on that.
it's the same school of thought that says "you can avoid scabbed up shoulders by wearing the pad when you squat". well sure, you CAN, but it both sets you up for injury and messes up your ability to lift optimally. you lose either way, unless "lifting heavy" isn't your thing. no flame there either, if you're not going for max sets (be it a set of 12 or a single), then sure you can toy around, but that's just not an option for most of us.
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1) gloves are a stupid, stupid thing to wear while deadlifting. it is impossible to keep your grip on the bar with maximal weights.
2) if your body mechanics are thus that the bar scrapes your shins, then tough it out. it would be HORRENDOUSLY dumb to try and "fix" your form to put the bar further in front of you, that's just begging for a lower back injury. speaking as a guy who just recently fucked up his lower back, you can trust me on that.
it's the same school of thought that says "you can avoid scabbed up shoulders by wearing the pad when you squat". well sure, you CAN, but it both sets you up for injury and messes up your ability to lift optimally. you lose either way, unless "lifting heavy" isn't your thing. no flame there either, if you're not going for max sets (be it a set of 12 or a single), then sure you can toy around, but that's just not an option for most of us.
1) answer me this - if ur hands are so banged up callouses that it literally pains you to grip the bar for a deadlift or chinup, would you wear gloves or tough the pain?
2) its not about leveraging the arms further forward, its bringing lower legs back that will help prevent scraping.
the pad on the bar is terrible. if you mean the round thing. putting a small towel over your shoulders isnt gonna make much difference to your lift or form at all. its almost neccessary when doing heavy weights for some people who simply dont want to injure themselves in any way, whether it be bruises, scrapes, whatever. i dont go to the gym to get injured.
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1) answer me this - if ur hands are so banged up callouses that it literally pains you to grip the bar for a deadlift or chinup, would you wear gloves or tough the pain?
2) its not about leveraging the arms further forward, its bringing lower legs back that will help prevent scraping.
the pad on the bar is terrible. if you mean the round thing. putting a small towel over your shoulders isnt gonna make much difference to your lift or form at all. its almost neccessary when doing heavy weights for some people who simply dont want to injure themselves in any way, whether it be bruises, scrapes, whatever. i dont go to the gym to get injured.
1) i have never, in my life, met anyone who managed to tear their hands up that badly. you'd have to have skin made out of graham crackers.
2) i could draw you a diagram for this one, but barring a pen handy and a scanner (or a good graphical editor on my PC) you'll have to trust me on this one: many, many people's bodies are at their most mechanically aligned with the bar scraping their shins. you cannot POSSIBLY claim otherwise.
and i'm sorry, but you're talking about putting a towel on the bar to squat because you "don't come to the gym to get injured"? jeezus man, grow some testicles and realize that if you want to build your body you can't do it and keep your manicure in tip top shape. you may want to ask yourself if lifting weights is really for you if these kinds of things are actually prohibiting you from working out.
you're like a guy who wants to run to get in shape but won't push it too hard because blisters on his feet aren't "part of the bargain". man up, it's a little nip on the shin or the occasional tear on the hands. deal with it. if you want to sit around and put lotion on your hands and lay on pillows all the time and never have to deal with a little boo-boo, weight training is not for you.
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lol...
when i used to chin without gloves, my hands would be ripe with callouses that actually did rip open and i had to grab toilet paper from the bathroom and put it over the bar to stop it hurting. there is no way you can tell me that wearing gloves in a case like that would hinder performance on deadlift or chins.
if you know anything about training physiology, you know the pressure places on the ankle by moving shins/lower leg further past the toes. that's why they say in squat - sit down like a chair, not dorsi flex the ankle. under loads like that, it's just begging for an injury. if people do it wrong, that's their prisk, but that's not the most physiologically safe way of doing it. and its part and parcal that by doing it the safer way will put the bar at less risk from scraping the shins.
nothing is prohibiting me from working out and i have made some nice gains by training safely. but when im in pain from the weight being too heavy on the bar, i make it less painful and carry on my workout. no sense in 'toughing it out' for some 'battle scars' if there are other options. even if its just a bruise from the bar, i dont care. the pain was getting too much and i did something about it.
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lol...
when i used to chin without gloves, my hands would be ripe with callouses that actually did rip open and i had to grab toilet paper from the bathroom and put it over the bar to stop it hurting. there is no way you can tell me that wearing gloves in a case like that would hinder performance on deadlift or chins.
if you know anything about training physiology, you know the pressure places on the ankle by moving shins/lower leg further past the toes. that's why they say in squat - sit down like a chair, not dorsi flex the ankle. under loads like that, it's just begging for an injury. if people do it wrong, that's their prisk, but that's not the most physiologically safe way of doing it. and its part and parcal that by doing it the safer way will put the bar at less risk from scraping the shins.
nothing is prohibiting me from working out and i have made some nice gains by training safely. but when im in pain from the weight being too heavy on the bar, i make it less painful and carry on my workout. no sense in 'toughing it out' for some 'battle scars' if there are other options. even if its just a bruise from the bar, i dont care. the pain was getting too much and i did something about it.
I'm with Magoo, he's spot on about everything he has said.
There are things that requires strict skin/bar contact, deadlift, bench, squat. You throw on gloves and you lose grip for deadlift, balance for bench and a towel does no good for squat, nor does that little round tampax pad.
If you were tearing your callouses doing pullups, you should see a dermatologist, something wrong with your skin.
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I'm with Magoo, he's spot on about everything he has said.
There are things that requires strict skin/bar contact, deadlift, bench, squat. You throw on gloves and you lose grip for deadlift, balance for bench and a towel does no good for squat, nor does that little round tampax pad.
If you were tearing your callouses doing pullups, you should see a dermatologist, something wrong with your skin.
yeah, that last part baffles me. even when i attempted chins weighing 270 my hands didn't tear up much. so unless GA is bizarrely heavy, i can't figure out why pullups are so bad.
and yeah, you gotta think about limb/torso length. someone with, say, long thighbones is going to have his hips further back and likely will rake his shins up. also if you lean back hard enough some contact will happen. not everyone does, but many do.
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the deadlift does not require bar contact with the shins. if its scraping the shins, you're simply doing it wrong. i do understand if you want maybe an extra rep or whatever, limiting the ROM by that .5 or so of a centimeter, may help in that regard, but for me, i would never let it scrape my shin. not worth the cuts.
listen, i will ask a college fitness instructor teacher what he thinks about the bar/shin and whether a towel on the back of the shoulders would hinder performance on a squat. maybe u guys could do the same, find a strength coach who has uptodate info (last 2 years) and ask.
and it was just the texture of the bar that caused the callouses. different bar was fine.
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You throw on gloves and you lose grip for deadlift,
you throw on gloves and you'll become a queer who sucks dick behind seedy bar's on the other side of town !
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you throw on gloves and you'll become a queer who sucks dick behind seedy bar's on the other side of town !
That too! ;D
the deadlift does not require bar contact with the shins. if its scraping the shins, you're simply doing it wrong. i do understand if you want maybe an extra rep or whatever, limiting the ROM by that .5 or so of a centimeter, may help in that regard, but for me, i would never let it scrape my shin. not worth the cuts.
listen, i will ask a college fitness instructor teacher what he thinks about the bar/shin and whether a towel on the back of the shoulders would hinder performance on a squat. maybe u guys could do the same, find a strength coach who has uptodate info (last 2 years) and ask.
and it was just the texture of the bar that caused the callouses. different bar was fine.
You're not very good at reading are you?
A towel on the back is going to do jack shit for squats, nothing, nada, not a godamned thing.
The bar scraping the shins is going to happen, if you don't allow it to happen, good for you, how much are you lifting? Probably not very much. On warmup sets you can allow the bar to float away from your legs like that, on heavier sets, it's not going to happen, you're going to drag the bar.
PS, fuck your college professor, I'm sure I can speak for Magoo when I say we are talking from experience, not what some kunt "fitness" queer thinks. ::)
PSS, "fuck your college professor" is solely from me as Magoo probably is too nice to say that to you. ::)
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"college fitness instructor" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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fitness queer? dear lord, you really are ignorant.
you guys are the ones who wear tapout shirts, give mean stares, and just act like a general dick in the gym, aren't you? man, the exact mentality that gives weight training and bbing a bad name. testosterone-fueled knuckleheads who don't know SHIT about proper training form, stay at 25% bf year round, claiming they are 'bulking', throw the weights around in the gym as if to assert their manhood because they lack doing that in other areas of life, hide behind their statements over the net and when someone tries to prove something, such as myself, shoot it down because theyre so insecure about the possiblity of being wrong.
good luck to you chaos and maggoo in getting another back injury (GEE, WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENED???), cuts all over your shins and whatever other injuries you're getting because of your lack of proper lifting knowledge and just plain ignorance.
meltdown ;)
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fitness queer? dear lord, you really are ignorant.
you guys are the ones who wear tapout shirts, give mean stares, and just act like a general dick in the gym, aren't you? man, the exact mentality that gives weight training and bbing a bad name. testosterone-fueled knuckleheads who don't know SHIT about proper training form, stay at 25% bf year round, claiming they are 'bulking', throw the weights around in the gym as if to assert their manhood because they lack doing that in other areas of life, hide behind their statements over the net and when someone tries to prove something, such as myself, shoot it down because theyre so insecure about the possiblity of being wrong.
good luck to you chaos and maggoo in getting another back injury (GEE, WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENED???), cuts all over your shins and whatever other injuries you're getting because of your lack of proper lifting knowledge and just plain ignorance.
meltdown ;)
I'd bet my left nut (which I prize highly, by the way) that Magoo and Chaos could run circles around you in the gym. From what you've said in this thread, it's clear you're a pussy who looks for the easy way out.
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you guys are the ones who wear tapout shirts, give mean stares, and just act like a general dick in the gym, aren't you? man, the exact mentality that gives weight training and bbing a bad name. testosterone-fueled knuckleheads who don't know SHIT about proper training form, stay at 25% bf year round, claiming they are 'bulking', throw the weights around in the gym as if to assert their manhood because they lack doing that in other areas of life, hide behind their statements over the net and when someone tries to prove something, such as myself, shoot it down because theyre so insecure about the possiblity of being wrong.
holy projection, batman.
good luck to you chaos and maggoo in getting another back injury (GEE, WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENED???), cuts all over your shins and whatever other injuries you're getting because of your lack of proper lifting knowledge and just plain ignorance.
meltdown ;)
i pulled 500 pounds today despite my back being dodgy. just out of curiosity, how much are you deadlifting, wearing your gloves and being oh so careful to avoid your shins?
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fitness queer? dear lord, you really are ignorant.
you guys are the ones who wear tapout shirts, give mean stares, and just act like a general dick in the gym, aren't you? man, the exact mentality that gives weight training and bbing a bad name. testosterone-fueled knuckleheads who don't know SHIT about proper training form, stay at 25% bf year round, claiming they are 'bulking', throw the weights around in the gym as if to assert their manhood because they lack doing that in other areas of life, hide behind their statements over the net and when someone tries to prove something, such as myself, shoot it down because theyre so insecure about the possiblity of being wrong.
good luck to you chaos and maggoo in getting another back injury (GEE, WONDER WHY THAT HAPPENED???), cuts all over your shins and whatever other injuries you're getting because of your lack of proper lifting knowledge and just plain ignorance.
meltdown ;)
Now I was going to log off for the night, but I have to say....this is the dumbest thing I have read.
I am actually quite helpful to peole who are willing to listen and learn. You are not willing to do either since you are a weak ass moron. You should stick with your plastic weights and your cable machines so you never get hurt by straining your big bad muscles, you beast of a man you. ::)
And you never answered me, how much weight are you working out with when you deadlift?
Yes PANDAE, I'm sure Magoo and I could outrun this guy in the gym with one of our legs in a potato sack..... ;D
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I'd bet my left nut (which I prize highly, by the way) that Magoo and Chaos could run circles around you in the gym. From what you've said in this thread, it's clear you're a pussy who looks for the easy way out.
you're not exactly a slouch yourself, panda.
...seriously, what few lifts you HAVE told me are downright annoying. like, right now i'm eating peanut butter on a wheat wrap and thinking "maybe i should have two more of these and a half gallon of milk" in the hopes of starting to catch up.
what's your best weight on hang cleans again? it was around two, maybe three thousand pounds. i forget.
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panda, give me a break. you're just another from the "no pain, no gain" and "no cuts, no nuts" school. people like you are looked down upon by bodybuilders who know how to train and make gains without subjecting themselves to injury by using sloppy form and throwing the weights about trying to be macho. people like you get NOWHERE and are seen as tiny tits by people who know a thing or two about how to lift, and not from the articles you read in FLEX. lol
i dont train for strength nor do deadlifts that often. last deadlift i did was 375 for 4. no bar to shin contact at all and perfect form.
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last deadlift i did was 375 for 4. no bar to shin contact at all and perfect form.
:o You're an absolute beast. I take back everything I said about you.
::)
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Now I was going to log off for the night, but I have to say....this is the dumbest thing I have read.
I am actually quite helpful to peole who are willing to listen and learn. You are not willing to do either since you are a weak ass moron. You should stick with your plastic weights and your cable machines so you never get hurt by straining your big bad muscles, you beast of a man you. ::)
And you never answered me, how much weight are you working out with when you deadlift?
Yes PANDAE, I'm sure Magoo and I could outrun this guy in the gym with one of our legs in a potato sack..... ;D
this is just about the most ignorant post in this entire thread. I"M NOT WILLING TO LISTEN OR LEARN???? LOL!!!! you're making stuff up because you fail to provide any justification for your testosterone mentality-type posts, whereas i can justify mine perfectly and have done.
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this is just about the most ignorant post in this entire thread. I"M NOT WILLING TO LISTEN OR LEARN???? LOL!!!! you're making stuff up because you fail to provide any justification for your testosterone mentality-type posts, whereas i can justify mine perfectly and have done.
Maybe you should take up knitting instead? I bet you'd be pretty good at it, based on your posts. :-*
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panda, give me a break. you're just another from the "no pain, no gain" and "no cuts, no nuts" school. people like you are looked down upon by bodybuilders who know how to train and make gains without subjecting themselves to injury by using sloppy form and throwing the weights about trying to be macho. people like you get NOWHERE and are seen as tiny tits by people who know a thing or two about how to lift, and not from the articles you read in FLEX. lol
i dont train for strength nor do deadlifts that often. last deadlift i did was 375 for 4. no bar to shin contact at all and perfect form.
wait wait. WAIT.
you, who have deadlifted 375x4, are claiming that i don't know how to lift.
dude. SERIOUSLY. you may want to re-think this. i'm giving you a chance to man up, admit that you overstepped your comfort zone, and walk out of this one without getting flamed. i would suggest you take it.
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Maybe you should take up knitting instead? I bet you'd be pretty good at it, based on your posts. :-*
based on my posts? haha. i see you with a back injury and torn bicep in 5 years, at 25+% bf and still trying to own tiny tits here and at the gym. i guess you train to 'get the girls' huh panda?
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wait wait. WAIT.
you, who have deadlifted 375x4, are claiming that i don't know how to lift.
dude. SERIOUSLY. you may want to re-think this. i'm giving you a chance to man up, admit that you overstepped your comfort zone, and walk out of this one without getting flamed. i would suggest you take it.
either way i'll get flamed. it's what getbig is. look at what i've said here already. perfectly viable suggestions to prevent injury and pain to the body, shot down by guys who have the 'cage fighting' mentality. its the most stereotypically gym junky attitude there is - and you represent it.
not saying your technique is WRONG, but it's not the only way to deadlift well. but what YOU are saying is that my technique is wrong, which it clearly isn't. i've only been training seriously for a few years and don't deadlift much, nor train for strength at all.
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either way i'll get flamed. it's what getbig is. look at what i've said here already. perfectly viable suggestions to prevent injury and pain to the body, shot down by guys who have the 'cage fighting' mentality. its the most stereotypically gym junky attitude there is - and you represent it.
not saying your technique is WRONG, but it's not the only way to deadlift well. but what YOU are saying is that my technique is wrong, which it clearly isn't. i've only been training seriously for a few years and don't deadlift much, nor train for strength at all.
what's ironic is that you pointed at my injury, but if you read my thread you'd know that the REASON i got injured was that the bar was AWAY from my shins. i went FORWARD, my weight transferred to the balls of my feet, and my lower back gave out. if i had kept the bar against my shins, nothing would have happened. i've done 405x5 beltless and 455x2 standing on a platform (again beltless) with no issues as long as i lean back.
what -i- am saying is that many, many people do scrape their shins and that isn't wrong. not everyone does, some people's leverages are at their best with the bar a little in front of them. i, and many others, do not fall under that category. there are any number of reasons why shin contact is a good idea. chiefly, it GUARANTEES your weight is on your heels, and it means you're leaning back.
had i done that, i wouldn't be sitting with a bottle of motrin next to my bed. :P
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having the bar 0.5 of a centimetre away from your shins won't make much difference at all in terms of injury and mechanics. when you get the bar from ground for knee height, the only thing moving should be the quads, but in reality the shins move back too to make it a bit easier. by doing this, the only direction the bar is going from floor to knee is straight up. that's how you avoid contact with the shins. once you reach knee height, than you pull back. i have long legs, and short torso, being an ectomorph, and this way was very hard at first but it's the (or 'a') right way of doing the deadlift. you just need to put more focus on lifting with the balls of your feet, the quads, and keeping the back in its natural curve for that first part of the lift. as soon as the back begins to round you're fucked. i rounded the back once doing good mornings too heavy and nearly injured myself. cant imagine what id be like on a deadlift.
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you know, i had a long response typed, until i noticed something.
you just need to put more focus on lifting with the balls of your feet, the quads
no. NO. bad newbie. all wrong. this is irrefutably 100% incorrect. there is NO argument here, this sentence is entirely and completely bad advice.
you push with your HEELS and move with your glutes and hamstrings. if your weight is on the balls of your feet you're BEGGING for problems. that's why the bar's away from your shins, you're trying to turn it into a squat with the bar in your hands.
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you know, i had a long response typed, until i noticed something.
no. NO. bad newbie. all wrong. this is irrefutably 100% incorrect. there is NO argument here, this sentence is entirely and completely bad advice.
you push with your HEELS and move with your glutes and hamstrings. if your weight is on the balls of your feet you're BEGGING for problems. that's why the bar's away from your shins, you're trying to turn it into a squat with the bar in your hands.
100% right. "Gone Away", you need to stop posting. You're hanging yourself with every post.
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100% right. "Gone Away", you need to stop posting. You're hanging yourself with every post.
this reminds me of what happened on my squat day last week.
there's this old fucker at my gym named Jack, nicknamed Turbine because he worked as an engineer for the Navy and is strong as a brahma bull. when he was 63 or so he had a raw pull over 600 pounds and i've seen him, at 67, pull six plates. i'd say he might be the oldest person with a 10x age raw pull i'm aware of.
anyway, i told him about how i hurt my back, and mentioned i'd been pulling beltless. he smacked me in the back of the head and asked "why the fuck were you doing that??" i said i wanted to strengthen up my core. he shook his head and basically told me i was an idiot, and if i wanted to strengthen my core to do it on assistance lifts, put the damn belt on when i pull.
he finished up with something along the lines of "you young guys got all the world in front of ya and go and act like morons!" i responded with "well we don't always have guys like you around to tell us what we're doing wrong!"
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you know, i had a long response typed, until i noticed something.
no. NO. bad newbie. all wrong. this is irrefutably 100% incorrect. there is NO argument here, this sentence is entirely and completely bad advice.
you push with your HEELS and move with your glutes and hamstrings. if your weight is on the balls of your feet you're BEGGING for problems. that's why the bar's away from your shins, you're trying to turn it into a squat with the bar in your hands.
although you won't believe me, but i did actually mean the heels. that's what i interpreted 'balls of feet' to mean. guess i should have researched that term beforehand... in virtually any exercise where your feet stay flat, you keep the weight on the heels. that much is obvious.
you move the quads hams and glutes together, as theyre all working in that part of the deadlift. if i remember correctly, ronnie coleman does 'my' form in his unbelievable video, and you can see it when the camera goes side-on.
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although you won't believe me, but i did actually mean the heels. that's what i interpreted 'balls of feet' to mean. guess i should have researched that term beforehand... in virtually any exercise where your feet stay flat, you keep the weight on the heels. that much is obvious.
you move the quads hams and glutes together, as theyre all working in that part of the deadlift. if i remember correctly, ronnie coleman does 'my' form in his unbelievable video, and you can see it when the camera goes side-on.
if you say you meant heels, i will believe you. i'm skeptical, but okay.
the thing is, ronnie's form is, when he goes heavy, actually pretty rough. it deteriorates over his heavier sets, largely because he readily admits he never goes that heavy normally. for that matter, on his 750 and 800 sets he uses ALL lower back, no quads at all if memory serves. if you want to watch a good puller, check out andy bolton or benedikt magnusson. brian siders comes to mind as well. guys that get their hips involved and pull back on the bar.
it's all leverages, dude. you can take a guy with a 315 deadlift and put him in some flat shoes and get him to lean back more into it and suddenly he's got a 365 pull. now, if you're a bodybuilder and doing reps, then sure the advice is a little moot, but someone doing sets of 6-10 on deadlifts (with straps, likely) is going to pull very differently than someone like me.
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this reminds me of what happened on my squat day last week.
there's this old fucker at my gym named Jack, nicknamed Turbine because he worked as an engineer for the Navy and is strong as a brahma bull. when he was 63 or so he had a raw pull over 600 pounds and i've seen him, at 67, pull six plates. i'd say he might be the oldest person with a 10x age raw pull i'm aware of.
anyway, i told him about how i hurt my back, and mentioned i'd been pulling beltless. he smacked me in the back of the head and asked "why the fuck were you doing that??" i said i wanted to strengthen up my core. he shook his head and basically told me i was an idiot, and if i wanted to strengthen my core to do it on assistance lifts, put the damn belt on when i pull.
he finished up with something along the lines of "you young guys got all the world in front of ya and go and act like morons!" i responded with "well we don't always have guys like you around to tell us what we're doing wrong!"
That's priceless ;D Also very impressive he can pull that much weight at that age.
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That's priceless ;D Also very impressive he can pull that much weight at that age.
seriously, he's a monster (or was, anyway). most of his joints are shot now, and i haven't seen him doing anything heavy since his SECOND hip replacement (he's about 70 now), but he still lifts when he can. he's the guy that got me into powerlifting, and i swear every time i'm there he busts my balls about going into that gym at 17 weighing a buck fifty and being downright intimidated by this stooped over old bastard hollering like crazy while he pulls over 600 pounds.
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seriously, he's a monster (or was, anyway). most of his joints are shot now, and i haven't seen him doing anything heavy since his SECOND hip replacement (he's about 70 now), but he still lifts when he can. he's the guy that got me into powerlifting, and i swear every time i'm there he busts my balls about going into that gym at 17 weighing a buck fifty and being downright intimidated by this stooped over old bastard hollering like crazy while he pulls over 600 pounds.
holy smokes, lifting that kind of weight after a FIRST hip replacement is insane. That's awesome you have him as a kind of mentor. What were his lifts on the other two of the "big three"?
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holy smokes, lifting that kind of weight after a FIRST hip replacement is insane. That's awesome you have him as a kind of mentor. What were his lifts on the other two of the "big three"?
no clue. he never really did them. most i ever saw him do on the bench was put 185 on the incline and do sets of 10 slow and controlled. on the squat, he'd put 225 or 275 on and do a few sets and they were more good mornings than squats. it seemed like, at that age, he had his posterior chain left and that was it.
i was told by others that he blew his back out in that weight room shortly before i joined up, and a year later was back to doing it. it was a sight to behold, i'll tell you. like yoda in star wars episode 2. he'd hobble in looking like he can barely walk, blast the weights, and then hobble back out. guy's cool as shit, too, but real old school and no-nonsense.
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if you say you meant heels, i will believe you. i'm skeptical, but okay.
the thing is, ronnie's form is, when he goes heavy, actually pretty rough. it deteriorates over his heavier sets, largely because he readily admits he never goes that heavy normally. for that matter, on his 750 and 800 sets he uses ALL lower back, no quads at all if memory serves. if you want to watch a good puller, check out andy bolton or benedikt magnusson. brian siders comes to mind as well. guys that get their hips involved and pull back on the bar.
it's all leverages, dude. you can take a guy with a 315 deadlift and put him in some flat shoes and get him to lean back more into it and suddenly he's got a 365 pull. now, if you're a bodybuilder and doing reps, then sure the advice is a little moot, but someone doing sets of 6-10 on deadlifts (with straps, likely) is going to pull very differently than someone like me.
definately. there is alot involved in perfecting the deadlift.
not much more we have to discuss, i think we got to common ground there at the end. :)
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yeah, youre going to get scratched a bit, just the reality of things
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definately. there is alot involved in perfecting the deadlift.
not much more we have to discuss, i think we got to common ground there at the end. :)
i've noticed a lot of the time people end up realizing that, had they started off by giving some background info, the debate would have been unnecessary. ;D
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.... and mentioned i'd been pulling beltless.
what's wrong with pulling beltless? ??? ??? ???
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what's wrong with pulling beltless? ??? ??? ???
well as it turns out, going extra heavy on beltless pulls standing on a platform is a bit of a game of russian roulette. i might do fine for a few workouts, but then BANG.
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definately. there is alot involved in perfecting the deadlift.
not much more we have to discuss, i think we got to common ground there at the end. :)
So we all agree you're wrong. :)
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So we all agree you're wrong. :)
here we go again... lol. not gonna start another discussion, but not admitting i'm wrong either. read the thread.
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here we go again... lol. not gonna start another discussion, but not admitting i'm wrong either. read the thread.
settle down, fella. he's just busting balls. :D
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settle down, fella. he's just busting balls. :D
Apparently his have "GoneAway"......... ;D
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Apparently his have "GoneAway"......... ;D
ahah, well put sir, well put. ;D