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this is classic stuff. written by someone who was "too smart for his own good" according to another popular drug abuser
HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince
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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.
And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.
Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all. If you are one of those people that walks around saying "he's just big because he's on tons of shit!", then you will NEVER make it. NEVER!!
Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exacty pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of shit"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.
Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"
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Welll, you're a pro Dearth....give everyone your take on Tom's post.
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thisbeen posted now like ..what...300 timees ?? ::)
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thisbeen posted now like ..what...300 timees ?? ::)
To the obsessed, it may as well be 3
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Without the drugs, however, there is no "pro", right Chick?
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Without the drugs, however, there is no "pro", right Chick?
whats the diference?
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To the obsessed, it may as well be 3
i am pretty sure dearthwalks around thinkking he is huge at id say around 175, and thinks that once he gets on the sauce hell be competing in the ifbb within 6 months... ::)
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i am pretty sure dearthwalks around thinkking he is huge at id say around 175, and thinks that once he gets on the sauce hell be competing in the ifbb within 6 months... ::)
You're assuming he's actually ever seen the inside of a gym......
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a lot of you 'guys' seem to have some deep painful resentment towards steroids.
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You're assuming he's actually ever seen the inside of a gym......
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;D
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a lot of you 'guys' seem to have some deep painful resentment towards steroids.
LOL...I don't. I have resentment for liars.
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Without the drugs, however, there is no "pro", right Chick?
I feel that without the main NON drug factors listed in the originl post, all the drugs in the world won't make up for it.
The drugs take the best guys who train the hardest and diet and ups the anty overall.
Instead of pros at 200-220 and 4% we have them at 250 plus at 4% fat or less and dryer due to the diuretics which gives a more freaky muscular look.
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I can't wait for the Professional opinions of non-Pro and Experts that don't work out to tell us the inside info. ::)
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a lot of you 'guys' seem to have some deep painful resentment towards steroids.
That appears quite true. It's so weird to see these people all over a bodybuilding forum.
Go hold that resentment on a swimmers board or better yet a female rights group.
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the picture of your boy toy at 120lbs soaking wet is Tom's take on Tom's post.
Welll, you're a pro Dearth....give everyone your take on Tom's post.
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I hear this is pretty important too
(http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/2004/jk/advil_small.jpg)
Chick?
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That appears quite true. It's so weird to see these people all over a bodybuilding forum.
Go hold that resentment on a swimmers board or better yet a female rights group.
You are an idiot, we love the sport more than you ever will, the reason alone that we are swimming against the stream and
stand by what we are saying should give you a hint or two.
Bodybuilding should be drug free and there are a lot of people that believe the rampand steroid abuse in this sport is killing it but they are just to chicken to say it.
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the picture of your boy toy at 120lbs soaking wet is Tom's take on Tom's post.
Hey put up your pic .....I bet Tom without being able to eat any significant amount of protein look better that you any day...you are so tough talking over a computer
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You are an idiot, we love the sport more than you ever will, the reason alone that we are swimming against the stream and
stand by what we are saying should give you a hint or two.
There are a lot of people that believe the rampand steroid abuse in this sport is killing it but they are just to chicken to say it.
Here it is other Expert ::)
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Hey put up your pic .....I bet Tom without being able to eat any significant amount of protein look better that you any day...you are so tough talking over a computer
Tom is pretty much busy fighting for his life as you know.
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All genetics and hard work.
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Tom is pretty much busy fighting for his life as you know.
And still looks better than 95% of people that post here
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Here it is other Expert ::)
NEVER said that don't make shit up and stick to the truth will you?
What I have said and will say over and over is that i will not change my view on this sport because i love the basics of this sport too much.
I don;t claim to know a lot about Steroids in detail but you don't need to be nazi rocket scientist to figure out that things are FUCKED up atm.
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And still looks better than 95% of people that post here
hahahahahahhhahha oh brother ::)
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5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
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You are an idiot, we love the sport more than you ever will, the reason alone that we are swimming against the stream and
stand by what we are saying should give you a hint or two.
Bodybuilding should be drug free and there are a lot of people that believe the rampand steroid abuse in this sport is killing it but they are just to chicken to say it.
All you do is post nonsense all day on here. If you had any sort of life you wouldn't post on here the amount you do.
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5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
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Bast come on now, it comes straight from Tom he must know his shit ::)
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NEVER said that don't make shit up and stick to the truth will you?
What I have said and will say over and over is that i will not change my view on this sport because i love the basics of this sport too much.
I don;t claim to know a lot about Steroids in detail but you don't need to be nazi rocket scientist to figure out that things are FUCKED up atm.
Great, I respect that. Show us what you think BB should be.
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And still looks better than 95% of people that post here
Ummmmm...okay
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All you do is post nonsense all day on here. If you had any sort of life you wouldn't post on here the amount you do.
It's called multitasking you retard child ::)
I can do shit loads more all beside jerking off and curling some weight...
interesting to me how you are not trying to comeback with some good arguments, i must have been right than huh?
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Tom Prince is a cool name to have ...
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Bast come on now, it comes straight from Tom he must know his shit ::)
So what you saying is the you know more that Tom ::)
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Great, I respect that. Show us what you think BB should be.
Two words: DRUG FREE this sport is about to have a healty body and over the years this sport has morphed into the exact
oposite.
And don't give me that demand shit, the people want to see big guys so they have no choice but to juice.
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Prince says you need 12-15 years of training. Lee Priest must have started at age 8 then. ::)
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So what you saying is the you know more that Tom ::)
And again you are assuming (you're not so smart rigth?)
Where have I ever said that i know better than Tom? I haven't right? So you are assuming once again that ANYBODY who is a little
suspect of things must know better? You see I do a critical thing called thinking and I form my own opinion, i don't just roll over on command like you do.
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Tom Prince is a cool name to have ...
Prince is slightly camp to be honest, Tom King would be better.
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Two words: DRUG FREE this sport is about to have a healty body and over the years this sport has morphed into the exact
oposite.
And don't give me that demand shit, the people want to see big guys so they have no choice but to juice.
I hope that you are aware that BB and other athletes have been using it since the 40's....show me a picture of a Drug free BB that you think should be what BB is about....obs-Please do not post a picture of M Locket ;)
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It's called multitasking you retard child ::)
I can do shit loads more all beside jerking off and curling some weight...
interesting to me how you are not trying to comeback with some good arguments, i must have been right than huh?
There's no right or wrong dude. Who cares? Why would I want to argue about people doing juice? Boring.
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I hope that you are aware that BB and other athletes have been using it since the 40's....show me a picture of a Drug free BB that you think should be what BB is about....obs-Please do not post a picture of M Locket ;)
okay even if i really don't want to compromise on the drug issue because I find it stupid to take any form of
drugs (and again I believe any form of drugs has some form of sideeffects) unless you are sick.
But there is a huge difference between what the guys have been taken back than to know, yes I'm aware
that in todays times the chances that somebody who is very talented will find out because so many different
people go to the gyms today but OVERALL there is a problem and it needs to be addressed.
MD is a problem for the sport, they hurt the sport immensely with their Pro Steroid agenda.
it is time to not further close your eyes and to tackle the problem heads on.
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There's no right or wrong dude. Who cares? Why would I want to argue about people doing juice? Boring.
Here there's a good board for you, you fit right in trust me : http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19
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I dont see "G4P" as one of the items neede to turn pro....and by now we all know that is a requirement...
Someone post that pic of Luke, Silvio and Hidetaka in front of the pimpmaster Weider... hahahah
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Steroids, GH, gear.. is the ultimate weak minded pussies excuse. Because, if it's GEAR, they never have to admit they aren't good enough. These people come up with an abstract excuse that no one can exacty pin point (how much, exactly is "tons of shit"?), and that way they don't have to admit they just ain't got it.
Notice the only thing you never hear someone say is: "I'm just not good enough?"
So what is your excuse for looking like shit nowadays, Tom??
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all nubain
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You guys ever thing Dearth is THE David Dearth of WBF fame?
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okay even if i really don't want to compromise on the drug issue because I find it stupid to take any form of
drugs (and again I believe any form of drugs has some form of sideeffects) unless you are sick.
But there is a huge difference between what the guys have been taken back than to know, yes I'm aware
that in todays times the chances that somebody who is very talented will find out because so many different
people go to the gyms today but OVERALL there is a problem and it needs to be addressed.
MD is a problem for the sport, they hurt the sport immensely with their Pro Steroid agenda.
it is time to not further close your eyes and to tackle the problem heads on.
I agree with some of your points, but again you need to produce a image of what you think BB should be...so We can all agree that is viable
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the picture of your boy toy at 120lbs soaking wet is Tom's take on Tom's post.
Still waiting for an intelligent response..... look like itmight take a while
I'll check back later for your "expert" opinion of what it takes to become a pro.
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Tom's a good friend of mine. Fuck you guys for downplaying the struggles and tribulations that he had to go through.
Tom built this sport with his bare kidneys..
"1"kidney less...
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Stark...I am still waiting for you to show us what Bodybuiding should be 8)
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Still waiting for an intelligent response..... look like itmight take a while
I'll check back later for your "expert" opinion of what it takes to become a pro.
isnt David Dearth a real pro ... ?????
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5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
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Maybe he meant injections instead of workouts?
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And still looks better than 95% of people that post here
Yeah, we're all running around with fistulas in our arms. :(
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tom was always to arrogant with his "natural BB are small and they suck" bullshit, that always pissed me off over on mayhem, I had a couple of run ins with him along time ago. it's like if you didn't do roids you were a zero to him...
this was years ago so maybe I'm remembering it wrong but he just seemed like an asshole about it to me..you wanna do drugs to get huge, fine. I got no problem with you but don't treat me like a zero cause I don't want to do them.
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Prince is a 120 pounds soaking wet little puss off the sauce-hes the very definition of "all drugs". Prince has shit genetics.
Hes inferior to the majority of natural lifters.
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And still looks better than 95% of people that post here
haha.
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haha.
Not a good as you stud
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chick,
you could hardly comprehend the meaning of the word "intelligent", much less appreciate it.
you're benchmark for intelligence is a nubain junkie that drugged himself out of his "profession".
Still waiting for an intelligent response..... look like itmight take a while
I'll check back later for your "expert" opinion of what it takes to become a pro.
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It's quite simple: do you have to take steroids to be a pro bodybuilder? yes. Will taking steroids guarantee you'll be a pro bodybuilder? No.
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Tom Prince is a cool name to have ...
anything is cool when compared to "jaejonna"
8)
p.s tom prince has better musical taste than 95% of people that post here. ;D
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[5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
Didn't know it's impossible to turn pro if you go to a funeral 4 times in 15 years ::)
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maybe Tom took a set of adjustable dumbells to funerals, TIB.
His theory is why go to funerals and miss a workout. They'll still be dead after your workout...
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Looks like Tom has adopted a new training regimen judging by the way he looks; have NO more than 2-3 workouts in the next 12-15 years
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Tom was all Genetics baby that's why he looks so good NOW.Livin the Dream Baby. ::)
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1: Juice
2: Genetics
3: Determination
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. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
Phil heath didn't miss 2-3 workouts in the 12-15 years, he missed 7-10 YEARS, cause he only trained for 5 years.
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1: Juice
2: Genetics
3: Determination
Number 1= Losers excuse for not having a Great Body.
You could look absolutely amazing as a Natural, less size- but you must have good genetics and the majority of people don't have it and will never admit it. So they find a excuse. And if that was not enough they spend that majority of their time here bitching instead of working out.
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genetics is very important. wide structure and good lines required. None of that giant pec gap, none of the narrow shoulders, wide hips. guys like that just don't get past 8th at nationals.
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. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
Phil heath didn't miss 2-3 workouts in the 12-15 years, he missed 7-10 YEARS, cause he only trained for 5 years.
Biggest prove that genetic is key.....
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genetics is very important. wide structure and good lines required. None of that giant pec gap, none of the narrow shoulders, wide hips. guys like that just don't get past 8th at nationals.
So True
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chick,
you could hardly comprehend the meaning of the word "intelligent", much less appreciate it.
you're benchmark for intelligence is a nubain junkie that drugged himself out of his "profession".
STILL can't think of a good response?
Anytime now...
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I really believe that bodybuilding ,just like any other sport is not about drugs. The champion is not champion because he takes more drugs than the others,everyone does.
To become pro i think that you have to be consistent,thats the number 1 thing,along with having good genes,being determined ,disciplined and all those boring things,there's no secret,is all about time doing that.
why in the world there are millions of people that take juice,and the 99,9 % of them doesn't look like a pro,is because they don't do it alll the way,with everything else,giving 100 % in every aspect.
I don't know if i am right in this one,but i really think that if steroids didn't exist,the n1 bodybuilder right now would still be jay, the n2 vic........
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tom was always to arrogant with his "natural BB are small and they suck" bullshit, that always pissed me off over on mayhem, I had a couple of run ins with him along time ago. it's like if you didn't do roids you were a zero to him...
this was years ago so maybe I'm remembering it wrong but he just seemed like an asshole about it to me..you wanna do drugs to get huge, fine. I got no problem with you but don't treat me like a zero cause I don't want to do them.
Exactly.
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I really believe that bodybuilding ,just like any other sport is not about drugs. The champion is not champion because he takes more drugs than the others,everyone does.
To become pro i think that you have to be consistent,thats the number 1 thing,along with having good genes,being determined ,disciplined and all those boring things,there's no secret,is all about time doing that.
why in the world there are millions of people that take juice,and the 99,9 % of them doesn't look like a pro,is because they don't do it alll the way,with everything else,giving 100 % in every aspect.
I don't know if i am right in this one,but i really think that if steroids didn't exist,the n1 bodybuilder right now would still be jay, the n2 vic........
Hi FLEX Magazine!
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He forgot to mention his secret weapon... ADVIL!
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tom was always to arrogant with his "natural BB are small and they suck" bullshit, that always pissed me off over on mayhem, I had a couple of run ins with him along time ago. it's like if you didn't do roids you were a zero to him...
this was years ago so maybe I'm remembering it wrong but he just seemed like an asshole about it to me..you wanna do drugs to get huge, fine. I got no problem with you but don't treat me like a zero cause I don't want to do them.
Is his attitude really surprising? His whole sense of self worth rested in his physique. So, to him, if you weren't as big as he was you were less of a person.
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Prince says you need 12-15 years of training. Lee Priest must have started at age 8 then. ::)
shawn ray must have ben 4 ! :o
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I really believe that bodybuilding ,just like any other sport is not about drugs. The champion is not champion because he takes more drugs than the others,everyone does.
To become pro i think that you have to be consistent,thats the number 1 thing,along with having good genes,being determined ,disciplined and all those boring things,there's no secret,is all about time doing that.
why in the world there are millions of people that take juice,and the 99,9 % of them doesn't look like a pro,is because they don't do it alll the way,with everything else,giving 100 % in every aspect.
I don't know if i am right in this one,but i really think that if steroids didn't exist,the n1 bodybuilder right now would still be jay, the n2 vic........
Nooooo.....stop...you breaking the heart of some many now!!!! They got to have some thing to execuse their lack of genetics and work ethics.
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What a monster! :o
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Is his attitude really surprising? His whole sense of self worth rested in his physique. So, to him, if you weren't as big as he was you were less of a person.
Karma is a bitch. :D
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What a monster! :o
Here It is other Expert. ::)
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Nooooo.....stop...you breaking the heart of some many now!!!! They got to have some thing to execuse their lack of genetics and work ethics.
;D
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(http://www.wackypackages.org/realproductsscans/2004/jk/advil_small.jpg)
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I see lots of predictable, bullshit, uneducated responses....but still no one refuting what Tom's point was.
I guess we'll have to wait for our resident expert "Dearth" to return with his explanation....
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I see lots of predictable, bullshit, uneducated responses....but still no one refuting what Tom's point was.
I guess we'll have to wait for our resident expert "Dearth" to return with his explanation....
personally....i wouldn't call tom's genetic's great by any means
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personally....i wouldn't call tom's genetic's great by any means
Well, he had awesome genetics for response to bodybuilding drugs.
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personally....i wouldn't call tom's genetic's great by any means
No one said they were the greatest...but they were good enough to get him to the Olympia. If you're comaring them to the genetics of a Cormier, Wheeler, etc...then no, they werent the best of the best.
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Well, he had awesome genetics for response to bodybuilding drugs.
I am sure you have better structure and genetics ::)
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I am sure you have better structure and genetics ::)
Actually, my post said nothing about his structure one way or the other.
But now that you mention it, his proportions are all off... he has this extra-long torso attached to stubby little legs, almost like the odd proportions you see in midgets. :-\
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No one said they were the greatest...but they were good enough to get him to the Olympia. If you're comaring them to the genetics of a Cormier, Wheeler, etc...then no, they werent the best of the best.
Personally, I know he's your bud....& you're right on some accounts.
I think Tom's only "great genetic potential" was his response to AAS.
His frame & structure were far from being desired.
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HAHAHAHAH.....Boy, I tell ya, those Tom Prince threads never get old. I'm sure Tom wouldn't take back anything he said in that post if he were to address the same people he told that shit years ago. so, do everything Uncle Tom said, in 12 to 15 years you will look like this
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He had a tendency to cramp/fall over on every pose, kinda like Paul Dillet :-\ :'(
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Im watching this right now
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I see lots of predictable, bullshit, uneducated responses....but still no one refuting what Tom's point was.
I guess we'll have to wait for our resident expert "Dearth" to return with his explanation....
Why didn't he make the point of ASS use?
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One of the "smartest bodybuilders"
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One of the "smartest bodybuilders"
Whats your point?
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Whats your point?
That he comes off like a moron in that interview. ::)
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That he comes off like a moron in that interview. ::)
You come off like a moron everyday on this site....
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No one can get credit where it's due except forum members themselves... Tom was once one of the most muscular men on the planet and you all act like his genetics sucked shit and that he was "all drugs". The guy will have kindey problems if he consumes more than 120g of protein a day... anyone else would be his size too.
I'd imagine now that tom has gotten so much smaller that he's been humbled by it, and doesn't mind looking like an average guy.
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Whats your point?
I wouldn't say he was one of the smartest.
Shit, the dude had a bad kidney for how many years & wasn't smart enough to figure it out?
How about the fact you gain that much weight in such a little time.....something is going to suffer.
Realistically, there's a few body builders I would consider smart, a few that may be brilliant....
Tom is almost on par with Ronnie Coleman in intelligence.
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You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....
I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.
Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos.
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I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent.
From your perspective, perhaps so. From the perspective of an actual intelligent person? Not so much. :-\
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Actually, my post said nothing about his structure one way or the other.
But now that you mention it, his proportions are all off... he has this extra-long torso attached to stubby little legs, almost like the odd proportions you see in midgets. :-\
Tom had several genetic advantages not seem in the majority. He had wide shoulder structure, Pronounce V-Taper, Incredible Leg swept and one of the most develop Hams of all time. But he was not Genetic Gifted ::)
Again you are the Expert ::)
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You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....
I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.
Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos.
Well Bob, let me put this simply for you to understand.....
If you're dumber than those who you associate with (or lets just say these two as an example)....they would come across as being pretty smart to you.
Since when does a college degree automatically merit you intelligence?
I would bet Basile has a degree.
I wouldn't consider myself brilliant or an intelligent human being....
but I am intelligent enough to identify the short bus people that I almost sat next to on the ride to school.
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From your perspective, perhaps so. From the perspective of an actual intelligent person? Not so much. :-\
Since you are the Expert. Let us Know ....How to turn Pro since you are a Pro yourself ::) and train and prepare several of them ::)
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Tom had several genetic advantages not seem in the majority. He had wide shoulder structure, Pronounce V-Taper, Incredible Leg swept and one of the most develop Hams of all time. But he was not Genetic Gifted ::)
Again you are the Expert ::)
Please show me where I said either "I am an expert" or "Prince was not genetically gifted"? I said he had great genetics for responding to steroids and I said his torso to leg ratio was fucked up. Both statements are true. Anything else is you putting words into my mouth. Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension or something, because as it is you suck at it.
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Since you are the Expert. Let us Know ....How to turn Pro since you are a Pro yourself ::) and train and prepare several of them ::)
Seems to me I was talking about intelligence, not offering advice on how to become a pro bodybuilder. ::) You really should enroll in that reading comprehension class ASAP.
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Well Bob, let me put this simply for you to understand.....
If you're dumber than those who you associate with (or lets just say these two as an example)....they would come across as being pretty smart to you.
Since when does a college degree automatically merit you intelligence?
I would bet Basile has a degree.
I wouldn't consider myself brilliant or an intelligent human being....
but I am intelligent enough to identify the short bus people that I almost sat next to on the ride to school.
I wouldn't consider you brilliant or intelligent either....you apparently think you can make a call as to assess one's intelligence without knowing them, speaking to them, or spending any time with them...
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I wouldn't consider you brilliant or intelligent either....you apparently think you can make a call as to assess one's intelligence without knowing them, speaking to them, or spending any time with them...
Character alone speaks VOLUMNES of one's intelligence.
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I wouldn't consider you brilliant or intelligent either....you apparently think you can make a call as to assess one's intelligence without knowing them, speaking to them, or spending any time with them...
An easy partial solution is to give them an IQ test or check their SAT scores. That would be a good way to assess their intelligence, since subjective criteria for evaulating intelligence ("I think he = sooo smart") = brutally unreliable.
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Please show me where I said either "I am an expert" or "Prince was not genetically gifted"? I said he had great genetics for responding to steroids and I said his torso to leg ratio was fucked up. Both statements are true. Anything else is you putting words into my mouth. Maybe you should take a class in reading comprehension or something, because as it is you suck at it.
Well No Pro has perfect Genetics. They posse several genetic advantages to the majority. As Bob has mention his Genetics were not the Greatest but definitely superior to the majority. Your statement ignores that fact. I don't go to a Basketball forum and try to argue with a Professional opinion on how to play the game. Because If I do I better be an Expert....I don't thing your background rewards your opinions
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Character alone speaks VOLUMNES of one's intelligence.
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do you believe you exhibit good character here on these boards, or in your posts?
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An easy partial solution is to give them an IQ test or check their SAT scores. That would be a good way to assess their intelligence, since subjective criteria for evaulating intelligence ("I think he = sooo smart") = brutally unreliable.
So do you agree with KNNY and his ability to assess intelligence by merely looking at someone?
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An easy partial solution is to give them an IQ test or check their SAT scores. That would be a good way to assess their intelligence, since subjective criteria for evaulating intelligence ("I think he = sooo smart") = brutally unreliable.
Those things don't work. I took one (twice...5 years apart) & scored pretty high.
With most of my education ceasing at the 9th grade level....I have very little faith of whom those tests consider 'smart'.
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So do you agree with KNNY and his ability to assess intelligence by merely looking at someone?
Observations are one of the best forms of studying an intelligent, or dumb life form like Ronnie...or any animal at the zoo.
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I hear this is pretty important too
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Chick?
that's the most dangerous shit on the market today...that shit will fuck up your body..it will turn you into a 150lb twink
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Those things don't work. I took one (twice...5 years apart) & scored pretty high.
With most of my education ceasing at the 9th grade level....I have very little faith of whom those tests consider 'smart'.
A whole science of psychomotoric testing disagrees with you. Your opinion of them are worthless, just like you believing 2+3 = 4 does not make it so.
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He can of course not accurately assess intelligence by "merely looking at someone".
But given what we all know about Tom and Ronnie, making certain assumptions about their brainpower and character can be done, = their intelligence can be somewhat evaluated, but with lack of precision.
And for gods sake, Ronnie seems dumb as hell in the way he speaks, and Tom made fucked up choices. This makes most people THINK they are dumb, because their observeable traits points to them being "el stupido". People don't think a mongo person is as smart as Einstein. Does this reflect reality? It might.
So, do you believe Tom and Ronie are intelligent people?
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I don't go to a Basketball forum and try to argue with a Professional opinion on how to play the game. Because If I do I better be an Expert....I don't thing your background rewards your opinions
You don't have to be a meteorologist to point out the fact that it's raining.
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do you believe you exhibit good character here on these boards, or in your posts?
Shit....this is the internet.....not the really real world - lol
All kidding aside....it's 70/30....maybe 80/20. I think we all have our days of just being the dick head behind the monitor. Seriously though....I guess that can limit's one 'belief' of when I'm serious....or not.
In this case, I'm just saying what I think.
Case in point....Tom doesn't seem to me as one of the smartest bodybuilder's that ever stood on stage. Frank Zane, although I am not a fan of his, is an intelligent person. Ronnie Coleman is an example of a person that when one applies himself, can finish and earn a degree. Doesn't make him smart, but shows he's a hard worker. Hell, you can see his work ethic it in his weight lifting/body building.
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Yes taking truckloads of drugs that blow out your kidneys-then posing oiled up in a thong for a largely ghey audience............
that takes some real fuccking expertise. My gawd, dont try this if you arent a professional ::)
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Re: HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince
« Reply #101 on: Today at 06:24:21 PM »
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You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....
I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.
Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos. Chick are you saying Milos is an IDIOT???
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A whole science of psychomotoric testing disagrees with you. Your opinion of them are worthless, just like you believing 2+3 = 4 does not make it so.
It does if you subtract 1
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Re: HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince
« Reply #101 on: Today at 06:24:21 PM »
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You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....
I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.
Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos. Chick are you saying Milos is an IDIOT???
Is that what you concluded from reading my post?
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It would be hard for Debussey to assess. A wikipedia article on Ronnie claims he graduated Summa Cum Laude, which would make him very intelligent in the area of academics. (given that this is true). Without this in mind, they both have college degrees which at least puts them into the average to above average class when it comes to "academic intelligence/logical reasoning".
When it comes to communicative skills/"social intelligence", Ronnie is an idiot, he simply does not have a really great ability to communicate, at least not from what Debussey has seen. He might be different off camera, but in the interviews and movies, he communicates like an idiot. Tom Prince can speak pretty good for himself on the other hand.
Tom Prince has not made intelligent choices regarding his health (neither has Ronnie, he's an IFBB pro).
All in all, both men might have average or above average intelligence when it comes to their inherited and trained brainpower, but both have issues applying their intellect in various areas.
Debusseys conclusion: They both have average intelligence.
Talking in third person makes you come across as an idiot
Good thing you have your charm
;D
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How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
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Talking in third person makes you come across as an idiot
Good thing you have your charm
;D
Debussey = Debussey.
And remember: Debussey = an idiot. Debusseys IQ = 52. That = severe retard level >:(
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How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
1a.) Suck Joe Weiders shriveled cocck
1b.) More Steroids, GH and Insulin
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
FIXED
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Hey Chick is Sami the Black an IFBB Pro??As he is guest posing with Troy Alves??Wow congrats to Sami.
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How to turn WNBF PRO
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
How to turn IFBB PRO
1. Steroids
2. Genetics
3. Busting your ass in the gym
4. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
5. Knowing what it mean to rest.
6. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
Other Genius ::) So you believe that a Drug could alter one's Genetic make up such as symmetry, Structure, Joint density and size etc. That is rewarding of a Nobel Price. ::) Following your logic, not only you could gain some size but significant size without proper training and diet as those are below on your list of importance. Scientifically the most fundamental part of muscle building is Protein itself. No Drug can compensate for it as muscle is essentially made up of amino-acids. The training is nothing more that an stimulus that can futher provoke the synthesis of Protein. The synthesis of Protein can be futher stimulated with drugs. But ultimately no Drug can substitute the fundamental of Muscle building. Genetics, proper eating and training. But I guess Tom did not know what he was talking about. We can always learn more. We at GetBig and the Scientific community can wait for your Genetic altering Drug ::)
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Explain what Chick?
Why your boy toy was the most insecure IFBB pro ever? (and thats pretty damn insecure!)
sorry, you'll have to answer that one.
I'm afraid that any conversation regarding the illegal substances you have used to build your physiqe (and hence career)
only results in poor little chicky poor getting his feelings hurt. Tom had the same problem, but couldn't handle it as well.
I see lots of predictable, bullshit, uneducated responses....but still no one refuting what Tom's point was.
I guess we'll have to wait for our resident expert "Dearth" to return with his explanation....
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HA HA HA HA
epic rationalization.
You're maing a fool of yourself, not knowing either one personally....
I happen to know BOTH personally, and can assure you both are very intelligent. Ronnie may not be articulate, but is a college grad with a degree in accounting and a veteren of the police force in TX.
Tom earned his Masters degree majoring in English Lit, you would be quite surprised of his memory of his courses, shakespeare, etc....just because he made mistakes doesn't mean he's a moron...far from it. Sometimes the smarter one's are their own worst enemies, becuase they believe they can out-think/ out-smart everything...like Milos.
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I'm sure if it took just "all drugs" to look like Tom Prince or any pro's we all would look that good when we are on gear. To all of you haters you cant look like Tom did overnight or no matter how much gear you use. He had what it took. While all of you losers are busy on this board racking up thousands of posts dude was in the gym. While you douche bags were posting about how all these pro's look like ass, they were making money off their physiques. While very few of you will post what you look like and those who do are brave, but still look terrible. For example squadfather, bro has a three inch fat role around his stomach, with man boobs and loser makes fun of pros. Squad doesn't look like he even touched a weight.
Also, how do you expect Tom to look after going through such an ordeal. Bro doesn't eat or train like a bodybuilder anymore so he's not going to look like it. I am sure that is the least of his worries.
Leave the dude alone losers.
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Other Genius ::) So you believe that a Drug could alter one's Genetic make up such as symmetry, Structure, Joint density and size etc. That is rewarding of a Nobel Price. ::) Following your logic, not only you could gain some size but significant size without proper training and diet as those are below on your list of importance. Scientifically the most fundamental part of muscle building is Protein itself. No Drug can compensate for it as muscle is essentially made up of amino-acids. The training is nothing more that an stimulus that can futher provoke the synthesis of Protein. The synthesis of Protein can be futher stimulated with drugs. But ultimately no Drug can substitute the fundamental of Muscle building. Genetics, proper eating and training. But I guess Tom did not know what he was talking about. We can always learn more. We at GetBig and the Scientific community can wait for your Genetic altering Drug ::)
OK genius, ::)
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not be an IFBB PRO without the drugs
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OK genius, ::)
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not be a IFBB PRO without the drugs
pwned.
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OK genius, ::)
1.You can not be a PRO (IFBB) without DRUGS (steroids......)no matter how good your genetics are .
2.You could be a PRO with average genetics(Ken Jones ,Kamali ,Kovacks.........................................................)
3.You could be a PRO eating junk (ask GH15)
4.You could be a PRO without busting your ass at the gym (Paul Dillet ,Pelletier ,.............................)
5.you could be a PRO with less than 10 years of training (Phil Heath,..........................)
But , I repeat ,you can not be an IFBB PRO without the drugs
You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...
To counter your list:
1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year.
2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's?
3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc. If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack.
4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one.
5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question.
When did you earn your pro card?
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You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...
To counter your list:
1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year.
TU winners are about as natural as FD&C Yellow #5. ::)
2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's?
The fact that he's a BW proves he's got shit genetics. And how about Kovacs? Surely you're not going to say he has good genetics?
3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc. If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack.
Actually, smoking crack is how some pros diet for shows.
4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one.
Which proves his point... "busting ass in the gym" is not required if you have the genetics to get away with it (Dillet, Cormier, etc)
5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question.
It's not surprising that someone who took twenty years would have this viewpoint.
When did you earn your pro card?
You asked that question of the wrong guy. Whateva has a pro card. Not in your little drug club, but in a natural bodybuilding organization.
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You missed his point entirely. Never does Angel say that drugs aren't of some importance. The issue at hand was Tom's post and whether or not you agree with his listing of what it takes to be a pro...
To counter your list:
1.) You CAN turn pro in the IFBB without steroids...the TU winner does it every year.
2.) Even Kenny Jones had good genetics, and won his class fair and square. He was a BW for Gods sake...just what did you think he was going to do in the pro's?
3.) If by "eating junk" you mean a controled cheat day built into your program 1 day in 7...in addition to the regular diet/ cardio/ training/ etc. If you think anyone ever just ate Burger King every day en route to an IFBB pro card...you're smoking crack.
4.) Doubtful you ever saw Pellitier training back in his day.....Dillet may not have been the most enthusiastic trainer Ive ever seen, but that only goes to prove even further that Genetics are number one.
5,) No question you CAN turn pro in less than 10 years...but the average time in the gym/ turn pro ratio is more...without question.
When did you earn your pro card?
Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are huge ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 :)(lifetime natural)
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Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are huge ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 :)(lifetime natural)
Now that's how you DEBATE!
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Let's not kick a man while he's down.
Tom has lost the battle with his body.
He is a shadow of his former drug-pumped self. He now hides behind dark glasses and multiple layers of clothes. He is a man humbled by the suicidal chemistry experiment that nearly claimed his life and has left a savaged, broken man. A once behemothic individual who towered above his fellow man, is now a spindly, inconsequential and delicate looking mortal. Indeed, it would not be too absurd to see this man now and think he had just walked off a mortuary slab, leaving behind astonished and terrified staff.
Behind those dark shades lie the sunken eye sockets of a haunted person. A man who has stared his mortality in the face and has the trauma of it tattooed on his pearly white skin.
His ears ring with the shame of his boastful claims that it was impossible for him to get below 250. His body mocks him for this at every turn.
It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man. His atrophied body tortures him daily. The scales sit on the bathroom floor with an accusatory stare, willing Tom to place his stick thin body on them. Tom 'doesn't go there'.
Get well Tom.
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Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are huge ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 :)(lifetime natural)
No one said they didn't....not Tom in his posts, not EvilAngel in his posts, and certainly not me.
So, other than stating the obvious....what's your point?
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Let's not kick a man while he's down.
It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man.
I think it's fucking hilarious... I plan on laughing at this smug karma-smacked douchebag for some time to come. Where's my iron boot??
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Let's not kick a man while he's down.
Tom has lost the battle with his body.
He is a shadow of his former drug-pumped self. He now hides behind dark glasses and multiple layers of clothes. He is a man humbled by the suicidal chemistry experiment that nearly claimed his life and has left a savaged, broken man. A once behemothic individual who towered above his fellow man, is now a spindly, inconsequential and delicate looking mortal. Indeed, it would not be too absurd to see this man now and think he had just walked off a mortuary slab, leaving behind astonished and terrified staff.
Behind those dark shades lie the sunken eye sockets of a haunted person. A man who has stared his mortality in the face and has the trauma of it tattooed on his pearly white skin.
His ears ring with the shame of his boastful claims that it was impossible for him to get below 250. His body mocks him for this at every turn.
It is wrong for us to laugh at this poor man. His atrophied body tortures him daily. The scales sit on the bathroom floor with an accusatory stare, willing Tom to place his stick thin body on them. Tom 'doesn't go there'.
Get well Tom.
Remind me to apologize in advance if I ever piss you off. Brutal!
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10-1 Bob won't recognize the sarcasm in TrueGrit's post. ;D
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No one said they didn't....not Tom in his posts, not EvilAngel in his posts, and certainly not me.
So, other than stating the obvious....what's your point?
::) ::) ::) ::)
HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince
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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.
And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.
Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all
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10-1 Bob won't recognize the sarcasm in that post. ;D
It would only be sarcastic if Tom wrote it himself, as he's doing quite fine, making money and running a property management business with his wife...despite his physcal setbacks, he's much happier now.
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::) ::) ::) ::)
HOW TO TURN PRO - by Tom Prince
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I'm going to cut right to it. Here's EXACTLY, word for word, what it takes for anyone to turn pro:
1. Genetics
2. Busting your ass in the gym
3. Knowing how to eat alot of good food
4. Knowing what it means to "rest"
5. 12-15 YEARS of being consistant, and never missing a scheduled workout (*note: you are allowed to miss 2-3 workouts in that 12-15 years for funerals, family tragedy, etc.)
NOW.. here's how 1-5 plays out: Your GENETICS, you are born with, and can do nothing about. Numbers 2,3,4, I could teach a retarded monkey with a brain amputation.
And #5.. is why 99.99999% of the people fail.. and fall dead on their ass.
Notice is doesn't say "gear" or "steroids" in there at all
Yeah...?
You obviously missed the entire meaning of wht TP's post was.....gear was a given...his point was, without the other factors he listed, all the gear in the world wouldn't make one PRO...
His point was that people use it as a crutch, an excuse as to why someone else made it, and they didn't.
please show me where Tom states that you don't need gear to turn pro.....he doesn't.
Not quite sure if you're reading the same page here, son....
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It would only be sarcastic if Tom wrote it himself, as he's doing quite fine, making money and running a property management business with his wife...despite his physcal setbacks, he's much happier now.
What, you're saying he isn't a raging asshole anymore? Bullshit. If he hadn't liquified his own kidneys with his drug abuse, he'd still be mouthing off and looking down his nose at everyone. He may be putting on a brave face for you, but I guarantee he cries his eyes out everytime he looks in the mirror. His entire self-worth was tied up in that pro card.
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Ok Bob, you miss my point entirely.
First of all ,I'm not saying that IFBB Pros are all drugs .
Pro bodybuilders come in all shape and forms ,some of them are huge ,some of them are ripped ,some of them are huge and ripped ,some of them train extremely hard (many hours ,heavyweights ,etc ...)some of them don't train as hard(just 1 hour with moderate weights ),some of them eat clean all year long ,some of them eat clean only when they are dieting , Some of them don't go out party and rest ,some of them party like animals(cocaine ,Ecstasy,....),some of them take 20 years to become a PRO ,some of them take 5 years .
Like I said before they are all different ,but the only thing they all have in common is they all used drugs to become a PRO(some low doses ,some huge doses ) and you can't deny that .
PS:I earned my PRO card in 2005 :)(lifetime natural)
I have scientifically stasted facts that prove Tom's point. As a Bodybuilder you should know the fundamental importance of Genetics, Training and proper-eating. As I previously state before, Drugs will only increase the synthesis of protein not create it as you need significant amount of amino-acids and stimulus caused by the stress of exercise. No Drug can alter genetic make up. Your suggestion that Drug are more importance that Genetics, eating and Training are a complete lack of minimun biochemistry and ignorance to the max. Several studies in physical Distrophy point to average gains of only 5lb in test subjects. No wonder the scientific community still looking for solutions to this disease (gene therapy). Losers will always point out for an execuse for their lack of commitemet or lack of Genetics.
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Yeah...?
You obviously missed the entire meaning of wht TP's post was.....gear was a given...his point was, without the other factors he listed, all the gear in the world wouldn't make one PRO...
His point was that people use it as a crutch, an excuse as to why someone else made it, and they didn't.
please show me where Tom states that you don't need gear to turn pro.....he doesn't.
Not quite sure if you're reading the same page here, son....
that's what i thought,a lot of guys bash the pros for using gear,saying that is gear what made them pros,and IF they took gear they would be a pro,but they don't want to go that route,i truly think those people are pathetic,but if those excuses make them feel better about their lives,so be it
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that's what i thought,a lot of guys bash the pros for using gear,saying that is gear what made them pros,and IF they took gear they would be a pro,but they don't want to go that route,i truly think those people are pathetic,but if those excuses make them feel better about their lives,so be it
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that (they would be an IFBB pro if they took a lot of gear). You're just making shit up as you go along, aren't you?
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I don't think anyone in this thread has said that (they would be an IFBB pro if they took a lot of gear). You're just making shit up as you go along, aren't you?
I'm not talking about this thread,i'm talking in general,and there are lots of guys like that on getbig,i don't think you can deny that
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I'm still debating the "Genius" Tom Prince Theory
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I'm still debating the "Genius" Tom Prince Theory
I think we already answered that one... it's all relative. Compared to Bob he's a genius. Compared to me he's a drooling slack-jawed retard.
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I'm still debating the "Genius" Tom Prince Theory
Tom Prince has a masters in English lit. That makes him a genius, because he can remember some Shakespeare and course material.
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whats the diference?
Translation: 100% yes
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Tom Prince has a masters in English lit. That makes him a genius, because he can remember some Shakespeare and course material.
haha...thats so brutal...even by Getbig standards
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Tom Prince has a masters in English lit.
From where, some shitty state school in Nowhere, Minnesota?
I realize this must be terribly impressive to his fellow pros, most of whom are lucky to have a GED, but to the rest of the world? Not so much. :-\
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From where, some shitty state school in Nowhere, Minnesota?
I realize this must be terribly impressive to his fellow pros, most of whom are lucky to have a GED, but to the rest of the world? Not so much. :-\
For chick and poor people in Africa, an English Lit. degree = impressive.
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Tom Prince has a masters in English lit. That makes him a genius, because he can remember some Shakespeare and course material.
i know kids with MBAs who fck around on getbig all day long. I wouldn't call them geniuses!
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i know kids with MBAs who fck around on getbig all day long. I wouldn't call them geniuses!
You = a genius when it comes to pissing Boob Dick off ;)
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You = a genius when it comes to pissing Boob Dick off ;)
I'm just here to learn. In 2-3 years when I begin my 'real' career, i'll be well versed in everything from politics to fitness whorage. Until then, I'm watching spongebob all day and trying to crack 180 again.
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I'm just here to learn. In 2-3 years when I begin my 'real' career, i'll be well versed in everything from politics to fitness whorage. Until then, I'm watching spongebob all day and trying to crack 180 again.
What will this "real career" consist of?
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What will this "real career" consist of?
Making $350 web sites!
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Making $350 web sites!
ROFL ;D
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Tom Prince has a masters in English lit. That makes him a genius, because he can remember some Shakespeare and course material.
Shit
Do you know how many Arnold movies I can recite word for word?
Does that make me a genius?
Exactly!
;D
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Welll, you're a pro Dearth....give everyone your take on Tom's post.
You know what I think, Chick? That you are a PR guy for the I.F.B.B and pro bodybuilding in general. You insult our intelligence by claiming that anabolic drugs are a minor or insignificant partt of pro bodybuilding.
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Shit
Do you know how many Arnold movies I can recite word for word?
Does that make me a genius?
Exactly!
;D
No, it just makes you = teh funny :-* 8)
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I really believe that bodybuilding ,just like any other sport is not about drugs. The champion is not champion because he takes more drugs than the others,everyone does.
To become pro i think that you have to be consistent,thats the number 1 thing,along with having good genes,being determined ,disciplined and all those boring things,there's no secret,is all about time doing that.
why in the world there are millions of people that take juice,and the 99,9 % of them doesn't look like a pro,is because they don't do it alll the way,with everything else,giving 100 % in every aspect.
I don't know if i am right in this one,but i really think that if steroids didn't exist,the n1 bodybuilder right now would still be jay, the n2 vic........
Most of the best pros would still be the best pros without drugs in the sport.
Once again, the drugs simply up the level of the BEST beyond natural human limits.
It is a lot like those straight jacket like benchpress shirts being used now.
The best guys can bench over 900 lbs wearing them, but can bench 600-700 raw ( no bench shirt).
I don't understand why a 600-700 lb bench is NOT enough?? I find it damn impressive and to me looks a lot more incredile than sporting some spaceage straight jacket, that helps you lift the wt.
Steroids did for bodybuilding what boob jobs did for babes. Now any babe with some extra cash can have big boobs.
But only a fraction of the "boob girls" look really hot. :P Most are just kinda plain or ugly girls with a nothing body except for some absurd looking hooters.
Howard
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Most of the best pros would still be the best pros without drugs in the sport.
not necessarily since the sport would attract a great number of people that are turned off by the extreme drug use required to compete in the pros now.
many of the pros now are the ones willingly to risk all (health, ability to have children etc...) to be best teh in sport.
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not necessarily since the sport would attract a great number of people that are turned off by the extreme drug use required to compete in the pros now.
many of the pros now are the ones willingly to risk all (health, ability to have children etc...) to be best teh in sport.
Missed the pt. The best guys who "are in shows" would always be the best,
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I dont agree with that, a lot of guys juice in the first place because they are small.
Bodybuilding doesnt get the best athletes or those with the best genetics.
Again, every college football program in the country has guys who have great genetics and are naturally strong.
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I dont agree with that, a lot of guys juice in the first place because they are small.
Bodybuilding doesnt get the best athletes or those with the best genetics.
Again, every college football program in the country has guys who have great genetics and are naturally strong.
exactly
the best athletes and natural athletes with great genetics play football, baseball or basketball------BBIng is for hte guys who blew their knee out etc...
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He forgot to mention his secret weapon... ADVIL!
Excuse my ignorance, but what does Advil have to do with bodybuilding?
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Making $350 web sites!
hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nah, I'm going to get a storefront, start a local media company. Hire local college kids, exploit their labor
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Excuse my ignorance, but what does Advil have to do with bodybuilding?
Everything! Advil is the I Ching of bodybuilding, the Holy Grail if you will. I'm surprised you didn't know this. You're new to the sport, aintcha?
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hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa
nah, I'm going to get a storefront, start a local media company. Hire local college kids, exploit their labor
I'd rather exploit kids in the third world. As long as they have enough for food and shelter, they're happy. These bratty American douchebags all want to make a million dollars at 20 years old with no marketable skills.
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No, it just makes you = teh funny :-* 8)
& that doesn't require an IQ
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Well isn't bodybuilding healthy? Why would you need to kill any pain?
Educate me
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They need to Kill the pain of competing for so very little and doing as the IFBB tell them.And Remember what Chick says"It's all Genetics Baby" doesn't say a lot for prince does it he looks like a girl Now.
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They need to Kill the pain of competing for so very little and doing as the IFBB tell them.And Remember what Chick says"It's all Genetics Baby" doesn't say a lot for prince does it he looks like a girl Now.
LOL
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You come off like a moron everyday on this site....
lol....giggled big time....left-field wise-crack
nice nice