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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Van_Bilderass on May 05, 2008, 07:50:25 AM
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http://www.bodyofscience.com/labreport_main.php?labreport_nr=121
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Eye opener right there, looks like test prop is in everything BD offered. The D-bol is what surprised me though, methyltest in some thai pinkies and napoisms. I wonder if the guys carrying some of these HG products even know what is really in them half the time. Body of Science is one of the best boards out there for you guys that didn't know, very up to date on things of this matter.
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so whats the take home message ?
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so whats the take home message ?
I would say REALLY know your guy. But, like I said, I doubt they even know some of the time. And be weary of all UGL, British Dragon was regarded as one of the best at one time, and look at there lab reports, should make everyone skeptical.
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But, like I said, I doubt they even know some of the time.
Yeah especially with UGL gear. It doesn't matter how honest the dealer is or even the "bottler" is since they most likely don't do any analysis on the raw material.
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so whats the take home message ?
I'll tell you what my message is from this: It just proves right what I've been thinking for a long time. Placebo is the most anabolic compound on the planet ( ;) )
I think you have to be half crazy to be injecting compounds from an UG unless you know the chemist synthesizing the drugs personally. In some respects, home brew may be safer. The distributors, the dealers may be decent people for people engaging in an illegal drug trade, but that doesn't mean they know anything about what they are selling you.
The analysis mentioned here is just "active" ingredients. It says nothing about other "fillers". Even from a company like BD, one thats been supposedly "good" you never know what you are injecting when you inject it.
Finally this explains some of the ridiculously high doses people are taking posted on message boards. Its a real shame that mg/ml concentrations weren't analyzed because I'm willing to bet that things were no where near what they were supposedly dosed as. Not only that, but you have to think about the economics of all of this. Its way cheaper and more economical to cut the drugs to the minimum that'll make people think they are injecting "good shit" than it is to actually fully dose the drugs.
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so whats the take home message ?
Just because a label says tren doesn't mean that tren's actually in there.
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from now on i am strictly hg ! organon, karachi, testovix, norma hellas, british depencary, thats it !
although that norma hellas is fucking expensive !
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this is ludacris, I can't believe you guys actually beleive this fake lab report. The germans obviously are selling HG and want to scare you away from buying UG product. UG labs are stepping up their game and are just as good as HG now.
jt
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this is ludacris, I can't believe you guys actually beleive this fake lab report. The germans obviously are selling HG and want to scare you away from buying UG product. UG labs are stepping up their game and are just as good as HG now.
jt
The paper was legitimate:
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2008/april/232-thevis.html
The simple fact is that a large percentage of what was tested wasn't what it was supposed to be. Take that as a warning.
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The paper was legitimate:
http://www.jatox.com/abstracts/2008/april/232-thevis.html
The simple fact is that a large percentage of what was tested wasn't what it was supposed to be. Take that as a warning.
And just as an FYI, this is a paper from a few years back with similar findings that came up on the same search when I looked for the one mentioned above.
1: Sportverletz Sportschaden. 2000 Mar;14(1):[Dangers and risks of black market anabolic steroid abuse in sports --gas chromatography-mass spectrometry analyses][Article in German]
Ritsch M, Musshoff F.
Anabolic steroids have become increasingly popular among athletes even at subcompetitive or recreational level instead of extensive doping tests, educational campaigns and lethal incidents. Nowadays, the fitness boom has also produced a population of steroid users at high school level and also under non-sports practicing children. After opening the borders to East Europe an explosion of the black-market for anabolic steroids occurred. Beside the well-known side effects of anabolic steroids new problems and risks occurred due to fake drugs from the black market. This review ist subdivided into two parts: We provide a detailed review of the literature an anabolic steroids to the reader the information needed to make an informed decision an the relative risks and benefits of anabolic steroids. Secondly, we evaluated 40 "anabolic steroids" obtained from the black market using mass spectrometry or gas chromatography analysis to evaluate the real pharmacological compounds. As the results of this analysis, we found that 15 (37.5%) these drugs contained different or any pharmacological compounds as labeled. From the external packing, a differentiation between original and the fake drugs was impossible. Therefore, a large information and credibility gap concerning anabolic steroids particular those from the black market exists between the athletes and the medical and scientific communities. We believe that this gap can only be closed if both groups are be better informed about anabolic steroids.
If anything that paper is even more alarming because its a much higher percentage.
The bottom line is dont' trust that you are getting what you think you are getting in a bottle. And the results you are seeing, very well may be just because you think what you are injecting should work not that it actually does.
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And just as an FYI, this is a paper from a few years back with similar findings that came up on the same search when I looked for the one mentioned above.
If anything that paper is even more alarming because its a much higher percentage.
The bottom line is dont' trust that you are getting what you think you are getting in a bottle. And the results you are seeing, very well may be just because you think what you are injecting should work not that it actually does.
This report was even more scary. Heavy metals found:
http://www.bodyofscience.com/labreport_main.php?labreport_nr=31
One of the sources with contaminated gear was a sponsor on promuscle. I remember Alin put up a thread saying "this proves I sell only legit gear".* The sponsor in question on the other hand said you couldn't trust the report.
Some time ago British Dragon was tested by a Swedish board and one product had heavy metal contamination. They said it was bought from an "authorized distributor".
*http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14060
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This report was even more scary. Heavy metals found:
http://www.bodyofscience.com/labreport_main.php?labreport_nr=31
One of the sources with contaminated gear was a sponsor on promuscle. I remember Alin put up a thread saying "this proves I sell only legit gear". The sponsor in question on the other hand said you couldn't trust the report.
Some time ago British Dragon was tested by a Swedish board and one product had heavy metal contamination. They said it was bought from an "authorized distributor".
that was marsell ! :o goddamnit !
it looks like allin is the best of the worst,,, whats up with him having fatty acids in most of his shit?
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that was marsell ! :o goddamnit !
it looks like allin is the best of the worst,,, whats up with him having fatty acids in most of his shit?
Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, but I wouldn't believe anyone selling something touting a study saying their product was the best of the worst. My thought is don't believe any of them. Thats the safest thing.
It all boils down to economics. Overdosing an illegal drug makes no sense. These guys are not manufacturing a drug because they love bodybuilders or other athletes. They are making a drug to make a buck. Its that simple.
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Ok, I'm an eternal pessimist, but I wouldn't believe anyone selling something touting a study saying their product was the best of the worst. My thought is don't believe any of them. Thats the safest thing.
It all boils down to economics. Overdosing an illegal drug makes no sense. These guys are not manufacturing a drug because they love bodybuilders or other athletes. They are making a drug to make a buck. Its that simple.
Overdosing ingredients does make sense sometimes. It gets to be known as a potent product by word of mouth. The hormone powders themselves cost next to nothing in many cases. However, overdosing is as bad as underdosing IMO. It should contain exactly what the label says.
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Overdosing ingredients does make sense sometimes. It gets to be known as a potent product by word of mouth. The hormone powders themselves cost next to nothing in many cases. However, overdosing is as bad as underdosing IMO. It should contain exactly what the label says.
I'm getting caught up on the idea of overdosing initially and then moving to an underdosed product based on economics. That seems to me like it would backfire. But you are right, word of mouth is the single best form of advertising there is.
I wish there was some way to do a legitimate, objective study of whats out here on the market in the US. I bet alot of people wouldn't like the results.
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Makes me glad i quit using AAS.
such bullshit these days...
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Another thing for the regulars here...
TRAB called this out almost a year ago and once again he was "spot on"...
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stick to usa gear like watson or schein and serostim just make sure you get a script and actually get it from a pharmacy because there are countefits of watson test cyp, schein deca and of course alot of fake serostim. thats why i dont mind using androgel because I know its real. might not have alot of test per packet you only absoorb maybe 20mg of test base but its real shit.
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its impossibe to get us gear without a script
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its impossibe to get us gear without a script
No it's not.
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No it's not.
i knew somebody would call me on that "impossible" quote
its tough
possible? i dont know
i havent seen any, and i looked pretty hard
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i knew somebody would call me on that "impossible" quote
its tough
possible? i dont know
i havent seen any, and i looked pretty hard
Candy, I'm not trying to be a smart ass...you get enough of that already, lol! So I'm being dead serious with this....you haven't been around this thing for very long. The more you get into it, the more contacts you'll make and the better off you'll be. Just because you've been floating around the boards for a while doesn't mean you've searched out every possibility. The boards are a good contact point, but they are by no means the only one...do not live and die with your AAS by what happens and by what is said on the boards....real life is far more valuable.
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Candy, I'm not trying to be a smart ass...you get enough of that already, lol! So I'm being dead serious with this....you haven't been around this thing for very long. The more you get into it, the more contacts you'll make and the better off you'll be. Just because you've been floating around the boards for a while doesn't mean you've searched out every possibility. The boards are a good contact point, but they are by no means the only one...do not live and die with your AAS by what happens and by what is said on the boards....real life is far more valuable.
Exactly...
I will say, honestly, it's almost unreal some of the things a man can buy if he knows the right people/person...might be high dollar, but it's out there.
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i dont know the right people :-[
maybe ill go hang out outside of a pfizer development building and try to make friends ! ;D
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And just as an FYI, this is a paper from a few years back with similar findings that came up on the same search when I looked for the one mentioned above.
If anything that paper is even more alarming because its a much higher percentage.
The bottom line is dont' trust that you are getting what you think you are getting in a bottle. And the results you are seeing, very well may be just because you think what you are injecting should work not that it actually does.
i understand the placebo effect but come on man, a bb'er is on cycle and has zits, water retention etc. Placebo will not give you this.
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i understand the placebo effect but come on man, a bb'er is on cycle and has zits, water retention etc. Placebo will not give you this.
it seems that from his past posts, anything vet has not heard of is not real, and therefore anything attributed to that compound is strictly placebo effect.
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Makes me glad i quit using AAS.
such bullshit these days...
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I second that !!!
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it seems that from his past posts, anything vet has not heard of is not real, and therefore anything attributed to that compound is strictly placebo effect.
LOL. How you doing?
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i understand the placebo effect but come on man, a bb'er is on cycle and has zits, water retention etc. Placebo will not give you this.
if said bodybuilder had anticipated zits, water retention, ect...then wold you argue that said bodbuilder could then not manifest sch side effects to occur? if one can create steroid like gains from simply believing that they should be getting steroid tye gains, then wouldnt one be able to force their bodies to create steroid like side efects?
could scceptability to gyno, fat gain, water retention, acne; just be a purely mental attribute; where the believers ttain side effects and the ones who think they ill be free from adverse side effects will thus have an easy going cycle?
AM I JUST SPEWING BULLSHIT??? ;D
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LOL. How you doing?
i am great, and you?
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if said bodybuilder had anticipated zits, water retention, ect...then wold you argue that said bodbuilder could then not manifest sch side effects to occur? if one can create steroid like gains from simply believing that they should be getting steroid tye gains, then wouldnt one be able to force their bodies to create steroid like side efects?
could scceptability to gyno, fat gain, water retention, acne; just be a purely mental attribute; where the believers ttain side effects and the ones who think they ill be free from adverse side effects will thus have an easy going cycle?
AM I JUST SPEWING BULLSHIT??? ;D
No, I dont' think so.
I was actually being sarcastic with the comment every time I posted it, but I guess some of you took me more seriously than I was taking my own comments.
I train as a powerlifter. I have for a long time. With powerlifting, the brain is the single most important bit you need to get into "the game". If your brain is off, you will not hit a max attempt. Its that simple. I think the same is true for bodybuilding, although its slightly different. In bodybuilding its the same drive to train minus that all out single intense event, but its also the discipline to do a precontest diet (which you have to do also to make weight in powerlifting, just no where near as extreme) and to put yourself through what you have to do to get into contest shape for the time it takes with all of the distractions of everyday life.
I also think there are two very real examples of what I was sarcastically posting in the first place. The first one is the supplement industry. Do any of you seriously think that currently available prohormones (the stuff thats still legal), muscle builders, and what not has anabolic steroid like effects? I sure don't, but weider, muscletech, EAS, and every other company has madem millions of dollars convincing people that they do. But go to any gym and you are certian to find someone who will stand on their head and swear that 1-6-oxymethowhatthefuck-9 and tri-tribulofootsniffersmellumpusit has added 50 lbs to their bench press and 45 lbs of lean mass. Its their decision that that product worked that did it, not some bullshit supplement that in reality is little more than caffiene and sugar. I've said for years I bet you could take horseshit, put it in a pill form and get 10 internationally known bodybuilders, a couple of powerlifters, a NASCAR driver and a couple of MMA fighters or professional wrestlers to endorse it with the right advertising and you'd be selling pills faster than your horse could shit. The current "energy drink" market is a great example of that. Hell, Hulk Hogan has his own energy drink now I saw at wallyworld the other night.
The other example is the person who took a large amount of anabolics who then 'quit" for various reasons and they start the downhill slide you see posted about here. i know of at least two powerlifters---fairly well--who once they decided they could train hard without the drugs, got their heads straight, and got back in the gym, they went on to move some very, very good numbers both in the gym and on the platform, only the second time around was drug free. Why? because they decided they could do it.
I also think you are borderline crazy to trust the underground steroid market. Why? its really simple: money. You are not going to convince me that those dealers are risking federal jail time becuase they are concerned about how you look in the gym and they are determined to deliver a quality product. There is one thing motivating them and one thing only. MONEY. They are in it to make a profit and you are going to be hard pressed to convince me otherwise. This also means that as more and more people do it, as the feds have more and more crackdowns, as things get harder and harder, they are going to do whatever and however they can to cut corners on the production of their product, the exact same as dealers of "other" drugs, be it cocaine, pot, whatever.
Finally, I try to think of things in terms of basic physiology. I have a background as a human med tech, which I was years before I went to veterinary school. I have a degree in science education, I have a degree in biology, I teach college students, I've been through an internship and a residency and I've been in practice for a few years. The bottom line goal I've struggled for a few years with amazement at the absolutely ridiculously high doses of drugs some of the members on some of the forums post that they are taking. With all drugs you reach a point of dimishing returns, where more isn't going to do anything (other than maybe kill you, like anesthesia drugs) because the body can only utilize a certian amount of drug over a given period of time without physiological breakdown. The only logical solution is they have to be using underdosed or mislabeled products.
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i am great, and you?
I'm tired, its been a long week already.
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vet i think you think i was mocking you? no, lol, no bro. i have an awkward sense of humor i guess. i was being serious. and then i ironically laughed at myself because i thought aqbout an outside reader reading what i wrote, :D
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vet i think you think i was mocking you? no, lol, no bro. i have an awkward sense of humor i guess. i was being serious. and then i ironically laughed at myself because i thought aqbout an outside reader reading what i wrote, :D
Nah, I didn't think you were mocking me.
And I did laugh at what you posted.
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so what about BD tbol? anyone use? is it legit?
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so what about BD tbol? anyone use? is it legit?
I've used it, it was legit. If you read the reports the tablets were all fine - the injectables were fucked up.
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"But go to any gym and you are certian to find someone who will stand on their head and swear that 1-6-oxymethowhatthefuck-9 and tri-tribulofootsniffersmellumpusit has added 50 lbs to their bench press and 45 lbs of lean mass"- VET
So, are you saying I wasted my money and it was all in my head? :'(
Damn, I just bought another couple bottles >:(
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"But go to any gym and you are certian to find someone who will stand on their head and swear that 1-6-oxymethowhatthefuck-9 and tri-tribulofootsniffersmellumpusit has added 50 lbs to their bench press and 45 lbs of lean mass"- VET
So, are you saying I wasted my money and it was all in my head? :'(
Damn, I just bought another couple bottles >:(
I'm sorry. ;D
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Some more interesting news from our good ol' DEA:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0408/mg0408.html
The Pennsylvania State Police, Bureau of Forensic Services, Harrisburg Regional Laboratory recently received a small package of purported aromatherapy oil, suspected to contain a mixture of anabolic steroids (see Photo 2). The package was seized at the residence of a known steroid abuser in Hummelstown (a small town between Harrisburg and Hershey), pursuant to a consent search by the Hummelstown Borough Police. The suspect in the case admitted to steroid abuse and indicated that the package actually contained “Sustanon” (which is a steroid cocktail containing the following testosterone esters: Propionate 30 milligrams, phenylpropionate 60 milligrams, isocaproate 60 milligrams, and decanoate 100 milligrams). The package markings included the website “821.in,” and indicated that the contents were Indian Aromatherapy Oils. The oil fluoresced when concentrated sulfuric acid was added and the resulting mixture was subjected to UV irradiation. Analysis of a methanol extract of the oil (total net volume 3.1 milliliters) by GC/MS confirmed testosterone propionate, cypionate, and decanoate in an approximate 4 : 3 : 1 ratio based on the TIC. The results indicated that the oil was not actually “Sustanon,” but rather a substitute or mimic steroid cocktail. This was the first submission of this type of packaging encountered anywhere within the Pennsylvania State Police Crime Laboratory system.