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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Army of One on May 05, 2008, 01:37:34 PM
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Discuss.
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Discuss.
Yesterday, at 39 years old, I set a personal record in flat bench 1rm. Admittedly, it was only 300 pounds, and that is of course a big moderating factor: how well trained one were in ones younger years. For a bodybuilder it may be harder than for me. However, I have trained on and off since I was a teenager.
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That's the lazy man's answer. part of having trouble gaining muscle when your thirty is by then most men have settled down with a wife and kids, are busy with work and can't put in 5 or 6 days a week at the gym balls to the wall and eat every 2 hours and then do cardio twice a day.
If you have time for that you can still gain muscle up until you're 40 and you can do this all naturally.
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Discuss.
Nothing's impossible. Think for yourself. Question authority.
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
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After 22 I wasn't able to gain any significant muscle. lol
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
I beg to differ. I just turned 30. Been training for 6 months after a three year layoff. Trained for 5 years before that. My back is thicker and wider now than it was at my max 3 years ago. I haven't taken anything this time around. Muscle memory is a wonderful thing though. It comes back vey quickly.
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If you remain active and all other factors such as diet and training are pristine...you will not start exp mnuscle attrition until your 60's...so you can improve up till then
Moosejay approived
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you are very wrong here...your statements breed weakness and laziness...you can't be American with statements like this...likely socialist
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im 27 and know it is all an illusion of how an ideal body is suppossed to look
be smart, be small be atleast 25 pounds from ripped be 6ft6
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
What about the 30 year old guy who never lifted in his life and weighs 150 pounds at 5'11?
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What about the 30 year old guy who never lifted in his life and weighs 150 pounds at 5'11?
thats a good weight
i know people at that weight and size that are ripped and vascular who do not lift but are probably moderate activity or not caucasion
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I beg to differ. I just turned 30. Been training for 6 months after a three year layoff. Trained for 5 years before that. My back is thicker and wider now than it was at my max 3 years ago. I haven't taken anything this time around. Muscle memory is a wonderful thing though. It comes back vey quickly.
bodybuilding is a job,,you dont just quit for 3 years or a year,,most of those guys who do it are not bodybuilders,,they just work out for fun and for them the moment they go cold turky they lose so much muscle and size that when they come into it again after 2 years or even a year they think they gain better but they gain exactly the same into the same max ,,especially guys over 26,,diet down to competition weight and you will see that nothing has changed from your old pictures,,i know its de motivationg but thats the tule of nature and rule of human body,,
there is a rebound and muscle memory effects going on but they only bring you to what you were at your best NATURALLy,,unless youre 20-21-22-23 those ages when you can still fight for number poundages of lean muscle mass ,,thats why i tell all the 17-18 20 -21 year old guys TO NEVER GIVE UP FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT AND GAIN THAT MUSCLE BECAUSE IT WILL BE THERE TO STAY,,DO MISTAKES IT DOESNT MATTER BUT PUT THAT MUSCLE ON YOU IN THOSE AGES ,,DONT JUST QUIT THE GYM AFTER 1 YEAR OF WORKING OUT ,,GO ON AND CONTINUE WITH IT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN YOU ARE 30 YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BIG NUMBERS WITH THE USE OF HORMONES A LOT EASIER
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Definitely. If 100 yr olds can run marathons anything is possible.
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HRTs Baby Livin the dream just ask Chick. ::)
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In my humble opinion, if you start out training as an adult with a good coach or with a good idea of how to train and eat effectively, you will make 98% of your potential natural gains in the first 2-3 years. Sure you can "improve" a little over the years but most of the muscle will be put on in the first couple of years. If by then you don't look anything like you'd want to look as far as muscle size - forget about it. It's hilarious to hear pros talk about patience and how many many years of hard training it takes to start looking like a bodybuilder while they blew up almost overnight and everyone was encouraging them to compete within a few weeks or months of starting training.
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I just drink Whey protein shakes, because Van Bilderass, says they will make me anabolic, lol.So if you are going to enter any drug tested shows, be very careful ,because drinking whey protein may make you fail the test, lol
On a serious note, most bodybuilders dont hit there to peak until they hit around 32-37.
The muscles get more dense as they get more mature.I know alot of natural bodybuilders, and they looked there best in there mid 30's.I even know some that in the early 40's they look good.They been training for over 20 years, so there muscles are dense and refined.As you age, your muscles may not get bigger, but just like a sword, the more you sharpen it, the sharper it will get.So your arm size may not go up, but the shape of the arm, and stridations in the muscles will be more definate
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I just drink Whey protein shakes, because Van Bilderass, says they will make me anabolic, lol.So if you are going to enter any drug tested shows, be very careful ,because drinking whey protein may make you fail the test, lol
you must be retarded
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I just drink Whey protein shakes, because Van Bilderass, says they will make me anabolic, lol.So if you are going to enter any drug tested shows, be very careful ,because drinking whey protein may make you fail the test, lol
What does this comment have to do with the topic of this thread? You lost the debate on the other thread regarding whey being "anabolic". You had no response at all. 8)
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gayer than sharing a fruit salad with another man.
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The who secret about making gains in your 30's is simple.Eat 1.5 -2 plus grams per body lb per day from protein.Eat red meat atleast once a day, from Sirloin, or Ny steak.
Make sure you sleep atleast 8 hours a night, rest is crucial.DONT OVER TRAIN.
Most natural guys over train!!!!.Dont spend more then 45 minutes a day training if your natural.If you over train your body releases cortisil, which, beaks down muscle tissue.
I would also use about 30-40 grams of L-Glutamine, and about 10-15 grams of BCAAS, per day to maximize recovery.
If you train naturally listen to your body, if your sick, tired, or very sore, stay home and rest.One day of not training wont kill you
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I beg to differ. I just turned 30. Been training for 6 months after a three year layoff. Trained for 5 years before that. My back is thicker and wider now than it was at my max 3 years ago. I haven't taken anything this time around. Muscle memory is a wonderful thing though. It comes back vey quickly.
could be fat gains also if your naturally lean so the fat makes it look like you gained muscled....
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To answer a PM
I see guys in the gym year after year, look the same.Its depressing.
Those are the people, who you see at the gym for 2 hours.When I walk in to train, they are already training, when I leave, they are are still training.
Now that I am clean my training sessions, are 30-45 minutes.
For example I only do 9-11 sets total for my chest, 10-12 sets for my back, and only 6-7 sets for triceps and biceps.I dont really count sets or reps, I go by feel.If I feel like I came to accomplish at 9 sets for chest I leave.But lets say I was doing 3 sets of bench press, the first set would be 9-12 reps, second set 6-8 reps, the last set 4-6 reps.
When training naturally dont be afraid to go heavy, bigweights= big muscle.
I train every set to complete failure.I train each set like a 100 yard dash, all out!!!
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When training naturally dont be afraid to go heavy, bigweights= big muscle.
I train every set to complete failure.I train each set like a 100 yard dash, all out!!!
scott mendelson benches like over 700lbs raw and his chest aint big as ronnie coleman who cant do 700lbs so NOOOOOOO bigweights does not always = big muscle. I rather look like I bench 405lbs than actually do it....thats the diff between bodybuilding and power lifting.
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Look at Johnny Jackson, a perfect example.Anybody I know who has a big chest usually is a heavy bencher.My chest was one of my strong points, because my mentor Tony Atlas told me to life heavy.Tony could bench well over 600 lbs, and had a barrel chest.
Ronnie Coleman trained heavy, and in my opinion, was the biggest, and best Mr O ever, in his peak.
There are some people who dont respond to training heavy, there is always an exception to the rule.
But anybody I know who is big, 250lbs + trains heavy
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scott mendelson benches like over 700lbs raw and his chest aint big as ronnie coleman who cant do 700lbs so NOOOOOOO bigweights does not always = big muscle. I rather look like I bench 405lbs than actually do it....thats the diff between bodybuilding and power lifting.
Don't compare two different people. Different execution of the movement, different skeleton, different tendons, different everything. Increase in tension through increased load is probably the most important signal for hypertrophy.
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Don't compare two different people. Different execution of the movement, different skeleton, different tendons, different everything. Increase in tension through increased load is probably the most important signal for hypertrophy.
then he cant compare strength to building muscles...I seen plenty of skinny turds at 130lbs benching 315lbs flexing their 12inch biceps in the mirror vs a guy who reps reps the weight instead of going for singles or triples.
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But anybody I know who is big, 250lbs + trains heavy
anybody at 250lbs is gonna big no matter what...250 is 250lbs let it be fat or muscle either way its BIG.
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I know know this is going to be controversial, but Skip Lacour, who was a natural bodybuilder lifted heavy, almost his whole career.Most of his gains were in his 30's.
Skip trained 4-6 reps, on almost all his exercises.Like him or not, he did look good for a man who was 35 and even 40 years old before he retired.
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I know know this is going to be controversial, but Skip Lacour, who was a natural bodybuilder lifted heavy, almost his whole career.Most of his gains were in his 30's.
Skip trained 4-6 reps, on almost all his exercises.Like him or not, he did look good for a man who was 35 and even 40 years old before he retired.
sure if I claimed natural, but behind closed doors I used small amounts of steroids and still say, "hey im natural I dont use as much as some guys"
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then he cant compare strength to building muscles...I seen plenty of skinny turds at 130lbs benching 315lbs flexing their 12inch biceps in the mirror vs a guy who reps reps the weight instead of going for singles or triples.
Yeah it depends on what is meant by "training heavy". But put it this way. Let's say you squat 300lbs for 3 sets of 10 currently. If you are able to increase that to 400lbs for 3 sets of 10 your legs are going to be bigger. So when put in this context getting stronger means getting bigger. That's why I would say "train for strength to get bigger".
Even that skinny turd, if he was able to increase that bench by 100lbs he would have a bigger chest, not necessarily bigger than some other weaker but bigger guy but you can't compare two different people.
Also drug users can get a lot of sarcoplasmic volume from pump training so they can get pretty damn swole without going too heavy. I would actually say that for a natural with average genetics pure powerlifting routines would give more muscle than a typical bodybuilding routine.
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The who secret about making gains in your 30's is simple.Eat 1.5 -2 plus grams per body lb per day from protein.Eat red meat atleast once a day, from Sirloin, or Ny steak.
Make sure you sleep atleast 8 hours a night, rest is crucial.DONT OVER TRAIN.
Most natural guys over train!!!!.Dont spend more then 45 minutes a day training if your natural.If you over train your body releases cortisil, which, beaks down muscle tissue.
I would also use about 30-40 grams of L-Glutamine, and about 10-15 grams of BCAAS, per day to maximize recovery.
If you train naturally listen to your body, if your sick, tired, or very sore, stay home and rest.One day of not training wont kill you
insulin blunts cortisol
drink some gatorade
train like you mean it
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I wouldnt go as far as training like a power lifter to get big naturally.I think heavy dead lifts arent really a good idea, because they are very bad for the lower back, and they can make your hips wider, and give you a thicker torso.
Getting big legs naturally is a hard task, especially when you diet down for a show.
So making your hips wider & you torso, bigger is not a good idea, because is will throw off your symetry.
Plus I know alot of guys who have severe back injuries from deadlifting.I stopped deadlifting at 20 after I got injured and it put me out for 4 months.
But I beleive for a natural bodybuilder, heavy squats, heavy bench pressing, heavy t-bar rows, and even heavy straight bar curls are good for overall mass for natural bodybuilders.
I also beleive that they should go heavy on shoulder presses, and dumbell presses.
But when it comes to things like side laterals, cable fly's, and concentrastion curls, they should drop the weight and keep the reps around 9-12 reps
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Yeah it depends on what is meant by "training heavy". But put it this way. Let's say you squat 300lbs for 3 sets of 10 currently. If you are able to increase that to 400lbs for 3 sets of 10 your legs are going to be bigger. So when put in this context getting stronger means getting bigger. That's why I would say "train for strength to get bigger".
Even that skinny turd, if he was able to increase that bench by 100lbs he would have a bigger chest, not necessarily bigger than some other weaker but bigger guy but you can't compare two different people.
Also drug users can get a lot of sarcoplasmic volume from pump training so they can get pretty damn swole without going too heavy. I would actually say that for a natural with average genetics pure powerlifting routines would give more muscle than a typical bodybuilding routine.
I agree to the 400lbs by 10 vs the 300lbs by 10 sure, but I used to be able to bench 405lbs and rep with 300lbs pounds and I was a twig it was not until I started to rep with 225lbs for 10reps resting for like 30secs in between sets I gained size and muscular weight vs resting for like 5mins just to push up 375lbs for a few reps. Now I stay in the 6 to 10 rep ranges vs the 1 to 3 rep ranges trying to increase muscle size is more imprtant to me than say poundages in the gym.
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Look at Johnny Jackson, a perfect example.Anybody I know who has a big chest usually is a heavy bencher.My chest was one of my strong points, because my mentor Tony Atlas told me to life heavy.Tony could bench well over 600 lbs, and had a barrel chest.
Ronnie Coleman trained heavy, and in my opinion, was the biggest, and best Mr O ever, in his peak.
There are some people who dont respond to training heavy, there is always an exception to the rule.
But anybody I know who is big, 250lbs + trains heavy
oh MY GOOD NESS OH MY GOOD NESS,,brother oh broehter,,,NO NO NO NO
chest is GENETICALLY either you have it or not,,you can work it to be bigger but VERY HEAVY BENCH ON A REGULAR BASIS WILL ONLY LEAD TO INJURY FOR THE BODYBUILDER,,,ONCE IN A WHILE OK ITS OK TO DO IT ONCE EVERY 4 WEEKS COME IN AND DO SUPER HEAVY BENCH ,,,BUT NEVER EVER GO ALL OUT ON CHEST ,,,WHAT I MEAN IS DO NOT GO INTO THE 400-500LB ZONE AND THINK YOU WILL DEVELOP A BIG THICK CHEST !!! THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE YOU WILL DEVELKOP MAINLY YOUR FUTURE INJURY ,,work heavy but never extra heavy on chest ,,also use lots of machines!!! do heavy weight on the machines especially when OFF HORMONES OR WHEN LOWERING DOSES
THE GUYS WITH CHEST ALWAYS HAD CHEST AND DEVELOP IT WITH 2-3 SOMETIMES 3 AND A HALF PLATES EACH SIDE OF THE BAR,,,after that its all done for specific purposes and less for developing pecs size
trust me on that if you never had pecs you will never have pecs,,it is the most important muscles on the bodybuilder and if you dont have it no matter what you will do you will never ever be the champ,,a bodybuidler with no chest is worst than a bodybuilder with average arms,,the first thing that give the illusion of heavy thickness and size is bgi thick chest ,,the only one who looks at the arms are the girls in the clubs as long as you have good to very good arms and exellent chest you are on the way to do well in bodybuilding ,,if you have the supirior arms and no chest you will never get to the top of the mountain,,N E V E R
see dorian ,,see haney ,,see zane ,,a combo of the 2 like arnold ron and sergio is a lot better ofcourse,,guys who have no chest ...lee priest ..whats hs name heath ...they usually get denied advancement to the top 6 of the sport ,,i say usually because in this generation nothingness i predict heath to be a top 4 mr o contender even with no chest since the competition is weak
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
The Beef calls bullshit asshole.
The beef
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The Beef calls bullshit asshole.
The beef
its ok to have a small chest you can still workout...
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bodybuilding is a job,,you dont just quit for 3 years or a year,,most of those guys who do it are not bodybuilders,,they just work out for fun and for them the moment they go cold turky they lose so much muscle and size that when they come into it again after 2 years or even a year they think they gain better but they gain exactly the same into the same max ,,especially guys over 26,,diet down to competition weight and you will see that nothing has changed from your old pictures,,i know its de motivationg but thats the tule of nature and rule of human body,,
there is a rebound and muscle memory effects going on but they only bring you to what you were at your best NATURALLy,,unless youre 20-21-22-23 those ages when you can still fight for number poundages of lean muscle mass ,,thats why i tell all the 17-18 20 -21 year old guys TO NEVER GIVE UP FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT AND GAIN THAT MUSCLE BECAUSE IT WILL BE THERE TO STAY,,DO MISTAKES IT DOESNT MATTER BUT PUT THAT MUSCLE ON YOU IN THOSE AGES ,,DONT JUST QUIT THE GYM AFTER 1 YEAR OF WORKING OUT ,,GO ON AND CONTINUE WITH IT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WHEN YOU ARE 30 YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE BIG NUMBERS WITH THE USE OF HORMONES A LOT EASIER
I think gh15 is pretty much spot on here. I trained with the most intensity in my early 20's. I've basically maintained that foundation all the way through until today, and I am in my mid 30's. I have taken months off due to various events over the years, but even in that untrained state people (average Joes) will still come up to me and ask me questions about my workout regimen. When I do come back after a layoff, after six to eight weeks of serious training I am pretty much right back to the development I had when I was 24. That's due to muscle memory and that foundation of hitting the weights hard from 18-24. Realistically I don't believe I have put on any additional mass from what I had after my first five years of steady training. Of course, I am speaking as a natural.
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I think gh15 is pretty much spot on here. I trained with the most intensity in my early 20's. I've basically maintained that foundation all the way through until today, and I am in my mid 30's. I have taken months off due to various events over the years, but even in that untrained state people (average Joes) will still come up to me and ask me questions about my workout regimen. When I do come back after a layoff, after six to eight weeks of serious training I am pretty much right back to the development I had when I was 24. That's due to muscle memory and that foundation of hitting the weights hard from 18-24. Realistically I don't believe I have put on any additional mass from what I had after my first five years of steady training. Of course, I am speaking as a natural.
how does that make you feel, going to the gym for 10 years without putting on any additional mass
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how does that make you feel, going to the gym for 10 years without putting on any additional mass
who said we all go the gym to put muscle on? I go to stay in shape and look at folks for giggles......
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Bullshit - if you can improve/push more weights and eat good 30+ is perfect...slower metabolism enables you to gain some size.
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who said we all go the gym to put muscle on? I go to stay in shape and look at folks for giggles......
yeah i guess people are different.
some are happy where they are at, and dont mind if they look the same for 10 years
others are more into improving and progressing.
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Bullshit - if you can improve/push more weights and eat good 30+ is perfect...slower metabolism enables you to gain some size.
yup putting on fat is not a bad thing if your already 6% BF why not push it to 15% BF to carry around some brute force.....
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I wouldnt go as far as training like a power lifter to get big naturally.I think heavy dead lifts arent really a good idea, because they are very bad for the lower back, and they can make your hips wider, and give you a thicker torso.
Getting big legs naturally is a hard task, especially when you diet down for a show.
So making your hips wider & you torso, bigger is not a good idea, because is will throw off your symetry.
Plus I know alot of guys who have severe back injuries from deadlifting.I stopped deadlifting at 20 after I got injured and it put me out for 4 months.
But I beleive for a natural bodybuilder, heavy squats, heavy bench pressing, heavy t-bar rows, and even heavy straight bar curls are good for overall mass for natural bodybuilders.
I also beleive that they should go heavy on shoulder presses, and dumbell presses.
But when it comes to things like side laterals, cable fly's, and concentrastion curls, they should drop the weight and keep the reps around 9-12 reps
I think wide hips or waist is mainly genetics. There are a lot of good bodybuilders with small waists who did deadlifts. There's not a lot of muscle at the hip that would widen it. Obliques can develop yes, so deadlifts could develop that but I wouldn't worry about it. JMHO.
For many people deadlifts are a wonderful rehab exercise for back if you do them correctly. I know a bunch of people who tweaked their back and started avoiding deadlifts but still had recurring low back issues. But after being encouraged to start deadlifting again the back issues went away. You want to keep the muscles in the area as strong as possible and that's where deads excel.
Now benches, that's a dangerous exercise to go heavy on as I can attest.
You mentioned JJ, he has insane back thickness and I'm sure the heavy deads have a lot to do with it. Same with Coleman before he got injured.
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
haahahahahaah, was für ein scheiss!!
Das kann doch nict dein Ernst sein, gh15!
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It's certainly possible to make gains in your 30's,40's or beyond for some people just don't expect them to come quickly if you are natural.2-4 lbs of muscle a year is realistic IMO-note this is 2-4 lbs of muscle not bodyweight.
Personally,I train and eat more intelligently now at age 40 than I did in my 20's and achieved my best ever shape in competition last year.Also my lifestyle is more condusive to bodybuilding in that I don't feel the need to go out every weekend and my alcohol consumption is a lot less :D I believe Dave Goodin achieved his best shape while in his 40's and his column in Ironman is well worth a read for natural trainers.
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Bullshit - if you can improve/push more weights and eat good 30+ is perfect...slower metabolism enables you to gain some size.
You're putting on lard, fatty
yeah i guess people are different.
some are happy where they are at, and dont mind if they look the same for 10 years
others are more into improving and progressing.
Meh, I am pretty satisfied with my physique when I am in my best shape. My physique goals change when I more focused on martial arts or other athletic pursuits. But for the most part I go to the gym for the health benefits and to maintain my strength and cardio levels.
There is more to lifting "progress" than just more and more size, dude. First of all, its just not realistic to expect continuous size gains when you're natural. You will be a fustrated man in your 30s and 40s if you believe this. Secondly, there is a point where greater size and bodyweight detracts from your appearance instead of enhancing the way you look. If you have a nice look going for you and you continue trying to gain size, chances are your waist is also expanding and you look terrible in most clothing.
Golden age bodybuilders knew size wasn't everything and found a size and look that made them unique and maintained it. It is only in the last 15 years or so that pros have been on this never ending quest to get bigger and bigger and end up with blocky physiques that look like shit.
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it has nothing to do with wife kids or anything of the such ,, most guys now days dont even marry till they are 34-35 if at all,,girls have nothing to do with it,,
this is where the truth is everything above this post is rubbish,,
at age 26 most true naturals start askin around in the gym and looking for the goodies,,it happens everywhere in america and everywhere around the world,,age 25-27 is when they srat asking questions,,the real naturals that ofcourse never compete,,thats when they start thinking about using at age 26 because they feel they are maxed and they are maxed with gains naturally ,,
age 26-27 and on from there is when there will be no more natural gains as in new muscle coming on you naturally! yuo may be able to take your skinny 162 and bring it back to your skinny 186lb you used to be back when you were 23...but you wont gain no new muscle what so ever unless you turn into hormones,,
so the number is 26 ,,this is age where everyone start kissing ass in the gym to who ever they need to kiss ass to,,
with competetive and todays nothigness generation that are ALL ON HORMONES it starts at 16-20 ,,today most fellas that are seeirous into lifting use hormones before their 21th birthday and i aint talking about no winners here,,those fellas will never step on a pro stage ,,they may compete but even that not always,,
but then again all the true natural worriers and the late bllomers come into the hormones at ages 26-28 after fighting with the demon inside them since age 25 usually takes 2 years debating with yourself and humiliation from the big boys at your local gym as in mental abuse in a way (especially early 2000s) so after the 2 years debating and tired of not growing to the 220lb -260lb where the big beef is...those naturals go on hormones and usually blow up or if really decide to compete try to maintain natural status by working smart with the hormones
you can have will and muscle brain connection and even your granma feeding you german food ..it wont help ...past 26 you start going down and going down into flabby land fast! unless you jump on hormones
WTF are you talking about? You're one dumb shit for sure.
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Gaining muscle as a Natural after 30, as impossible as everyone says?
Come on...
After 55, you still can make gaining muscle http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234)
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Gaining muscle as a Natural after 30, as impossible as everyone says?
Come on...
After 55, you still can make gaining muscle http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234)
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
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not being able to put on muscle as a natural after 30 = bullshit.
you can do it, you just have to make adjustments and be realistic.
you won't gain 20-30lbs of muscle in a year but you'll never do that as a natty but you can still get better.
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yes genetics are the easy answer ...
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Gaining muscle as a Natural after 30, as impossible as everyone says?
Come on...
After 55, you still can make gaining muscle http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.msg2960234#msg2960234)
What age were you when you think you reached your peak level of muscle mass, or are you still getting bigger at 55?
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What age were you when you think you reached your peak level of muscle mass, or are you still getting bigger at 55?
Asians are superiour genetically engineered muscle machines.....bow down in praise to the Greatest Race!!!!
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Asians are superiour genetically engineered muscle machines.....bow down in praise to the Greatest Race!!!!
You will do well at this years Mr Getbig.
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What age were you when you think you reached your peak level of muscle mass, or are you still getting bigger at 55?
good question
my peak level of muscle "mass" ?
I think maybe early 40s ::)
muscle "mass" is important ,but not everything.
And bodybuilding is how you look ?not how much your measurement or how much you can lift ?
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My Father is in his early 70s and has gained 20 pounds to his 6ft frame since training 2 years ago without gaining an inch on his waist.
He has peaked he cannot lift any heavier now for the last 6 months and no HRT.
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Ofc. it's possible. But i recommend to take upto 500Mg of testosterone (2.5 month cycles) Along with some HCG/Nolva etc. to eliminate gyno and other possible side-effects. There is absolutely no reason to train natural when you have access to some injectables.
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Depends when you start. If you start lifting in your 30s, you'll be able to put on some muscle. However, if you're like me, and started when you were 15, by the time you're in your mid 20s, you basically are what you are. After that, the gains you make are in refinement, rather than size, and that's fine because, as you get older and slower, carrying around extra weight whether it be muscle or fat becomes a burden.
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thanks for clearing that out guys.
i've always wondered about all those guys at the gyms that look the same year after year
turned out - it was you ;D
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thanks for clearing that out guys.
i've always wondered about all those guys at the gyms that look the same year after year
turned out - it was you ;D
For an old fart like me ,it's great to look the same year after year ;D ;D
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For an old fart like me ,it's great to look the same year after year ;D ;D
absolutely, when youre in your 50s
but these guys havent put on any muscle since their 20's :-\
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Depends when you start. If you start lifting in your 30s, you'll be able to put on some muscle. However, if you're like me, and started when you were 15, by the time you're in your mid 20s, you basically are what you are. After that, the gains you make are in refinement, rather than size, and that's fine because, as you get older and slower, carrying around extra weight whether it be muscle or fat becomes a burden.
very very true and good post
Carry less weight as you get older
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I like it when GH15 speaks the truth.
But I don´t like it when he makes me feel like complete shit after reading his posts lol!
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I have more lean mass now at 45(all natural) then I did at 30, and I've been training since I was 12. I do not agree that you can't gain muscle naturally after 30. If you train properly, eat enough protein, take the right food supplements and recuperate from your workouts, you can still grow without drugs.There are some natural supplements that will keep your hormones at youthful levels.
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not being able to put on muscle as a natural after 30 = bullshit.
you can do it, you just have to make adjustments and be realistic.
you won't gain 20-30lbs of muscle in a year but you'll never do that as a natty but you can still get better.
Who said you can't do that as a natty?
Granted, that's more likely to happen to a beginner in his teens. But, a well-trained, well-fed, and well-rested body will indeed grow, with or without anabolics.
Considering I broke the 400-lb bench press barrier and pushed my arms over 18 inches at age 32, drug-free, this whole idea of not being to gain muscle in your 30s without drugs is for the birds.
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I have more lean mass now at 45(all natural) then I did at 30, and I've been training since I was 12. I do not agree that you can't gain muscle naturally after 30. If you train properly, eat enough protein, take the right food supplements and recuperate from your workouts, you can still grow without drugs.There are some natural supplements that will keep your hormones at youthful levels.
Suggestions, please.
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Suggestions, please.
I wanna hear this too
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I like it when GH15 speaks the truth.
But I don´t like it when he makes me feel like complete shit after reading his posts lol!
well the truth is the truth ,,,like musclecenter said what you do post 30 is basically aintaining what you already have naturally or in other words TRYING TO MAINTAIN,,when you get to age 30 you have no more gains as in true muscle gains not balooning up the physiqe but true muscle gains,,you still may be able to push heavy lifting with a lot less intensity ofcourse comparing to when you were 25 but the main thing is ...this heavy 300+ becnh you will do as natural wont put nothing on you ,,,strength DOES NOT = muscle,,this is very important for you to understand ,,
strength DOES NOT EQUAL MUSCLE,,the most impressive bodybuilders are indeed the ones who are also powerlifters but there are not many of them,,when it comes to the average bodybuilder the best LOOKING bodybuilders lift moderate weight,,always notice in yoru gym ...the guys who lift the heaviiest do not have the biggest muscles,,
many of the natural fellas do a severe mistake by trying to lift very heavy ,,they do not understand that 99% of bodybuilders that got somewhere EVEN ON HORMONES did not build it on very heavy lifting
rare are the ron colmans,,usually very heavy lifting for most bodybuilders = torn muscle ,,baloon egos,,flat muscle look same effect as duretic in the look department,,when a bodybuilder is also a power lifter as in have the ability to do both and respond to both they USUALLY become a champion as in mr o etc,,dorian and ron are good examples,,inorder to do both you need hormones and lots of consistancy with hormones,,
since this is abotu naturals ,,the natural need to know that past 26 he can forget abotu new muscle,,he needs to adjust training inregards to heavy lifting and bring it down to moderate ,,and he also need as natural to rest a lot more,,to pay very close attention to diet and to forget about social life,,its simply not worth it to stay natural in bodybuilding just because skip lied he was natural and you think you have a chance to look like his hormonized self,,
every natural should look twards gh and experiemtn with igf inorder to atleast gain something out of his bodybuilding,,my recomendation for naturals is that past 26 they go on simple stack of dianabol test and deca and see what happens,,by the way most naturals do this for sometime and stop copeting ..then come back at age 30 and claim for natural stuatus ...see croches and roaches and john and skip that never stoped...and many of the all natural gang ::)
how can someone in his right mind look like tropopin the amatuer from this site and then say he is natural or clean while tropopin is juiced to the max and been to everything and anything all at the tender age of 20+...i actually see here people that say they look like tropopin and show pictures resembling the all hormonized look and then claim natural or clean ,,,its spit in the face of bodybuilding...
then....you got clemens and barry doing it on daily basis and the americans are still talking about them as gods in every lno where to be found town in tx....so this all mentality of lying about natural status is so deep in the blood already,,,all the hiding from the wife or girlfriend thing..making those stupid bimbos,,well misereble girls to be exact,,,think you are natural while you hide your stacks in your shoe box and go to church with them like you wee born a buffed up jesus christ ...all of this mentality is what caused bodybuilding to go deeper into a cult society,,,after all how many bodybuilders you know that actually go to the hot tub to show their body? how many of them you know that actually show up on the beach now days? most of us hide and wear shirts to hide a big gut and make sure every one think we are truly the 270lb illusion we sell,,
natural bodybuilding is dead,,natural lifting is still alive but you will rarely look at those fellas ..sometimes they got decent arms with some veins showing naturally so you will give them half a look ...but in reality natural bodybuilding has no size ,,no thickness,,no freakiness,,it just looks as bunch of swimmers that decided to go train in the gym for their upcoming olympics,,problem is ...even they are on hormones!
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Depends when you start. If you start lifting in your 30s, you'll be able to put on some muscle. However, if you're like me, and started when you were 15, by the time you're in your mid 20s, you basically are what you are. After that, the gains you make are in refinement, rather than size, and that's fine because, as you get older and slower, carrying around extra weight whether it be muscle or fat becomes a burden.
That's your answer "DB"
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Asians are superiour genetically engineered muscle machines.....bow down in praise to the Greatest Race!!!!
Damn, I've been wondering why they haven't won the Mr. Olympia or Arnold...I guess puny mortal contests are nothing.
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Suggestions, please.
Without going into too much detail, I get good results from anti-aromatizing supplements like 6-oxo and stacking them with good doses of Eurycoma, and a liquid form of avena sativa, actually Vitrex works pretty good as well. Using these in various combinations and alternating certain ones works well. Again, we're talking about getting youthful hormone levels, not super high levels, but enough to make some gains on. These substances probably work better if you're over 35. I definitely see and feel a difference from when I take them and when I don't..and no, it's not just a placebo.
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Depends when you start. If you start lifting in your 30s, you'll be able to put on some muscle. However, if you're like me, and started when you were 15, by the time you're in your mid 20s, you basically are what you are. After that, the gains you make are in refinement, rather than size, and that's fine because, as you get older and slower, carrying around extra weight whether it be muscle or fat becomes a burden.
Yes, I agree. I actually started lifting when I was 13, so I had a foundation when I got serious at around 18 or so. When you've been lifting that long you are basically refining your physique after 25.
thanks for clearing that out guys.
i've always wondered about all those guys at the gyms that look the same year after year
turned out - it was you ;D
The difference here is, most of us in this thread in maintenence mode still look better than you. ;D
How old are you, Bluto?
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I think alot of it really does have to do with when you started lifting, obviously if you started young and took it seriously by 30 you will be close to max. People like me who just dabbled in bodybuilding in in their mid 20's and didn't start seriously til late 20's can make gains. I am 30 now and weight less than I did at 27 but my measurements are still the same. And no, I'm not pretending to be some mass monster(6'1 215 with 17 inch arms)
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Without going into too much detail, I get good results from anti-aromatizing supplements like 6-oxo and stacking them with good doses of Eurycoma, and a liquid form of avena sativa, actually Vitrex works pretty good as well. Using these in various combinations and alternating certain ones works well. Again, we're talking about getting youthful hormone levels, not super high levels, but enough to make some gains on. These substances probably work better if you're over 35. I definitely see and feel a difference from when I take them and when I don't..and no, it's not just a placebo.
Well I suspected you were going to mention 6-OXO (or Novedex XT). That's hardly natural. 6-OXO is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor. Testosterone would be a lot more natural as that is actually a substance found naturally in the body unlike these AIs.
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Well I suspected you were going to mention 6-OXO (or Novedex XT). That's hardly natural. 6-OXO is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor. Testosterone would be a lot more natural as that is actually a substance found naturally in the body unlike these AIs.
True, if you want to get technical. However I don't take testosterone for the main reason that i don't want to supress my own. Not ready to have to take HRT the rest of my life. The future of hormone enhancement will be more substances that make you produce your own genetically coded hormones. which will always react better at the cellular level, with your own body. Yes, 6-oxo isn't technically natural, but it makes one produce more of their own test, not replace it. I've used it in cycles for 2 years and have had no sides. When you take synthetic test, you still have to take an anti-estrogen(unless you like bloat and gyno), then you have to do periodic shots of HCG. A lot of people on HRT find after a few years, the same doses don't work as well, and their libido has problems and their choices are upping the dosage. Now they have to take propecia for their prostate and hair loss. Not ready to go that route.
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gh15 - when you say forget about new muscle after 26, are you saying that a 30+ guy can't put on anything he doesn't already have? Not even an inch on his arms naturally? Can't he seriously change his physique after that time?
I understand that you're saying he can't get huge naturally but are you really saying that a natural cannot gain even a little bit of muscle after 30?
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Even as an old fart like me,still can improve ,don't give up !
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=213880.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=213880.0)
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Even as an old fart like me,still can improve ,don't give up !
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=213880.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=213880.0)
looking good there.
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looking good there.
Dang.
I agree, chem.
He is 10 years older than me...and I never say someone looks good "for their age..."
I say they either look good or I say nothing.
he looks very good.
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Dang.
I agree, chem.
He is 10 years older than me...and I never say someone looks good "for their age..."
I say they either look good or I say nothing.
he looks very good.
Thanks for your compliment
keep going !
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GH15-is your opinion based on personal experience or what you have witnessed from others? Did you train naturally until the age of 26,hit a plateau,then turn to the dark side ;)
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Good pts here, max out on the legal , nutrtional stuff first. I also use HRT, 1 pack of Androgel prescribed by my Doc for the past few years. I am 49 now and have more mass and power now than in my 20's or 30's.
Ok, so I am not 100% natural on the Androgel , but considering I hit age 50 this yr, I think I can be at my best when I compete for the first time in years, this fall.
i notice a large frame but I don't see any muscle on you.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=213610.0;attach=250385;image)
howard,
You seem to be all puffed up with ILS, chest out, and belly pulled in.
Why the animosity? Is there something?
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gh15 - when you say forget about new muscle after 26, are you saying that a 30+ guy can't put on anything he doesn't already have? Not even an inch on his arms naturally? Can't he seriously change his physique after that time?
I understand that you're saying he can't get huge naturally but are you really saying that a natural cannot gain even a little bit of muscle after 30?
past 26-28 ,,not even 1 single lb of lean muscle naturally and that means not even 1/4 of an inch of muscle on any bodypart including arms,,thats why most seriouslifters are hormonized by then
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past 26-28 ,,not even 1 single lb of lean muscle naturally and that means not even 1/4 of an inch of muscle on any bodypart including arms,,thats why most seriouslifters are hormonized by then
Just when you think that GH15 has reached the utter limits of buffoonery, he/she posts stuff like this.
First of all, from my own personal experience, as well as that of others (on this forum and those I know personally), I can categorically state that you are full of BULL. There may be a “cut-off” age, when it comes to building new mass without anabolics, but it sure ain’t age 26.
If you want to lament over the fact that you take anabolics but are still struggling, that’s your affair. But, pretending to be a Mr./Ms. Olympia competitor, while posting foolishness like this (as comical as it can is) betrays your supposed claims every time.
Real Olympia competitors don’t obsess with who’s “hormonized” or make such silly statements as to who can achieve what at what age. And, I’ll go out on a limb and say that the legitimate IFBB pros who do post on this form would, to a man, say that this blurb of yours is quite absurd.
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GH15-is your opinion based on personal experience or what you have witnessed from others? Did you train naturally until the age of 26,hit a plateau,then turn to the dark side ;)
mr jonno
gh15 wouldnt be winning his professional card if started hormonizing at age 26,,gh15 been hormonizing like most professionals since late teens with few years before of natural training,,
you cant do nothing in bodybuilding if you start hormonizing yuorself at age 27 ask phillip heath (he been on since beggingin of 20s by the way thats the reaosn he got anywhere in bodybuilding other wize hed be another black fella in the gym)
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past 26-28 ,,not even 1 single lb of lean muscle naturally and that means not even 1/4 of an inch of muscle on any bodypart including arms,,thats why most seriouslifters are hormonized by then
Bullshit.
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past 26-28 ,,not even 1 single lb of lean muscle naturally and that means not even 1/4 of an inch of muscle on any bodypart including arms,,thats why most seriouslifters are hormonized by then
What about an untrained individual GH15, 150 pounds zero workout history?I have alot of friends who now want to lift at age 28-30 having never touched a weight, I find it hard to believe they would make zero gains naturally.
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Just when you think that GH15 has reached the utter limits of buffoonery, he/she posts stuff like this.
First of all, from my own personal experience, as well as that of others (on this forum and those I know personally), I can categorically state that you are full of BULL. There may be a “cut-off” age, when it comes to building new mass without anabolics, but it sure ain’t age 26.
If you want to lament over the fact that you take anabolics but are still struggling, that’s your affair. But, pretending to be a Mr./Ms. Olympia competitor, while posting foolishness like this (as comical as it can is) betrays your supposed claims every time.
Real Olympia competitors don’t obsess with who’s “hormonized” or make such silly statements as to who can achieve what at what age. And, I’ll go out on a limb and say that the legitimate IFBB pros who do post on this form would, to a man, say that this blurb of yours is quite absurd.
i am not here to argue with you the achivments gh15 made ,,the fact that im professional that try to help many here should be looked at lightly,,its not gh15 fault when you get mad when truth is thrown at yoru face,,
there is no short coming of anything on hormones since hormones take you to the nexy stage wether you are good bad or average,,the fact that you continuesly lie to yourself and to others on messege board or off messege board is what made this sport look like it does,,
if you take a notice of anything gh15 writes it is always on the money and gh15 is right about every single word coming out of its mouth,,i suggest you stop ruin the sport you so love and start concentraiting on the next stage of addmitance and removal of guilt factor while gh15 will help you legalize the hormone idea within the us continent
most important thing is to stop lie and stick to nonesense especially in a sport such as bodybuilding,,natural died in early 60s,,natural gym rat died in 2000
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i am not here to argue with you the achivments gh15 made ,,the fact that im professional that try to help many here should be looked at lightly,,its not gh15 fault when you get mad when truth is thrown at yoru face,,
there is no short coming of anything on hormones since hormones take you to the nexy stage wether you are good bad or average,,the fact that you continuesly lie to yourself and to others on messege board or off messege board is what made this sport look like it does,,
if you take a notice of anything gh15 writes it is always on the money and gh15 is right about every single word coming out of its mouth,,i suggest you stop ruin the sport you so love and start concentraiting on the next stage of addmitance and removal of guilt factor while gh15 will help you legalize the hormone idea within the us continent
most important thing is to stop lie and stick to nonesense especially in a sport such as bodybuilding,,natural died in early 60s,,natural gym rat died in 2000
How quickly you forget that you condone lying to get ahead in bodybuilding. You can barely SPELL every word coming our of your mouth, much less have anyone believe that what you say is true.
You're about as much of an IFBB pro as Dustin "Screech" Diamond is. We have the luxury of hearing from ACTUAL IFBB PROS, who really compete at the Olympia. And we have the personal testimonies of posters over the years, as well as real-life experience. All of that adds up to your posts being loaded with supreme gibberish.
"Can't gain mass naturally past age 26"; max size for a natural bodybuilder is 170 lb. at 5'10"; "GH15 is an Mr/Ms. Olympia top contender" What other foolishness are you going to plaster on this forum?
BTW, what the heck does someone dying in his 60s have to do with whether or not he used anabolics?
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How quickly you forget that you condone lying to get ahead in bodybuilding. You can barely SPELL every word coming our of your mouth, much less have anyone believe that what you say is true.
You're about as much of an IFBB pro as Dustin "Screech" Diamond is. We have the luxury of hearing from ACTUAL IFBB PROS, who really compete at the Olympia. And we have the personal testimonies of posters over the years, as well as real-life experience. All of that adds up to your posts being loaded with supreme gibberish.
"Can't gain mass naturally past age 26"; max size for a natural bodybuilder is 170 lb. at 5'10"; "GH15 is an Mr/Ms. Olympia top contender" What other foolishness are you going to plaster on this forum?
BTW, what the heck does someone dying in his 60s have to do with whether or not he used anabolics?
Whatever, homo! gh15 keeps it real. You may enjoy REAL IFBB pros talking about how MuscleTech being the reason why they gain muscle...tulip.
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Whatever, homo! gh15 keeps it real. You may enjoy REAL IFBB pros talking about how MuscleTech being the reason why they gain muscle...tulip.
Yep, he keeps it real...REALLY WRONG!!!
And, you, the Butthead to his Beavis, are bringing up MuscleTech supplements for what reason?
OHHH!!! That's right. You're the rebel without a clue, who keeps yapping about how your crusade is going to put this supplement company out of business. By the way, you might want to revamp your strategy, as your loud-mouthed, lame-brained tactics over the past 2 years have been quite ineffective. Think about that, when you glance over the lastest ads for the "Hardcore" versions of Gakic, Leukic, and Creakic.
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mr jonno
gh15 wouldnt be winning his professional card if started hormonizing at age 26,,gh15 been hormonizing like most professionals since late teens with few years before of natural training,,
you cant do nothing in bodybuilding if you start hormonizing yuorself at age 27 ask phillip heath (he been on since beggingin of 20s by the way thats the reaosn he got anywhere in bodybuilding other wize hed be another black fella in the gym)
I always thought the longer that you trained naturally the more benefit you would get from 'assistance' if and when you chose that path.
Have to disagree with you on the impossibility of gaining muscle after 26-28.I made my best gains around the age of 30 and am still gaining at 40.
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How quickly you forget that you condone lying to get ahead in bodybuilding. You can barely SPELL every word coming our of your mouth, much less have anyone believe that what you say is true.
You're about as much of an IFBB pro as Dustin "Screech" Diamond is. We have the luxury of hearing from ACTUAL IFBB PROS, who really compete at the Olympia. And we have the personal testimonies of posters over the years, as well as real-life experience. All of that adds up to your posts being loaded with supreme gibberish.
"Can't gain mass naturally past age 26"; max size for a natural bodybuilder is 170 lb. at 5'10"; "GH15 is an Mr/Ms. Olympia top contender" What other foolishness are you going to plaster on this forum?
BTW, what the heck does someone dying in his 60s have to do with whether or not he used anabolics?
just the last sentence of yourse shows how much of a kid you are,,let me write it in capital for you ...english major
NATURAL BODYBUILDING DIES IN EARLY 60S! NOT THE FUCKIN BODYBUILDER
now the rest of your bullshit doesnt worth my time because as i have said plenty of times i have been to the top and you can take it as you like ,,if you can prove anything of what you say being it on ...if you cant then you should shut up and expect the fact people like you ruined bodybuilding and made it the cult it is,,
finally if you think that gh15 professional advice on getbig is no good...then dont read it or respond to it,,,gh15 got 100s of mails daily ,,gh15 asked and to be honest begged many times to answer same questions,,gh15 is never blocked or disturbed,,gh15 posts never erased,,gh15 shake you into yoru core which is full of lies and hide the true identity of bodybuilding,,just do a quick poll and you will find out that every single one around the internet heard about gh15,,reads gh15 and knows its a professional simply due to the information given
you are bored and i understand it but i can assure you gh15 made bodbuilding a lot eaier to understand even for a moron such as yourself,,
oh one more thing,,gh15 has been consistant in competing on o stage and not one time phenomenon,,just so its clear
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just the last sentence of yourse shows how much of a kid you are,,let me write it in capital for you ...english major
NATURAL BODYBUILDING DIES IN EARLY 60S! NOT THE FUCKIN BODYBUILDER
now the rest of your bullshit doesnt worth my time because as i have said plenty of times i have been to the top and you can take it as you like ,,if you can prove anything of what you say being it on ...if you cant then you should shut up and expect the fact people like you ruined bodybuilding and made it the cult it is,,
finally if you think that gh15 professional advice on getbig is no good...then dont read it or respond to it,,,gh15 got 100s of mails daily ,,gh15 asked and to be honest begged many times to answer same questions,,gh15 is never blocked or disturbed,,gh15 posts never erased,,gh15 shake you into yoru core which is full of lies and hide the true identity of bodybuilding,,just do a quick poll and you will find out that every single one around the internet heard about gh15,,reads gh15 and knows its a professional simply due to the information given
you are bored and i understand it but i can assure you gh15 made bodbuilding a lot eaier to understand even for a moron such as yourself,,
oh one more thing,,gh15 has been consistant in competing on o stage and not one time phenomenon,,just so its clear
Funny how good your spelling became......... :)
And I still call bullshit on the building muscle later in life talk.
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Yesterday, at 39 years old, I set a personal record in flat bench 1rm. Admittedly, it was only 300 pounds, and that is of course a big moderating factor: how well trained one were in ones younger years. For a bodybuilder it may be harder than for me. However, I have trained on and off since I was a teenager.
CD
It's bad enough that you're a pathetic gimmick, but the fact that you have to end every post with "-CD" is truly disgustting.
Have fun on the fist list, pal. >:(
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Yep, he keeps it real...REALLY WRONG!!!
And, you, the Butthead to his Beavis, are bringing up MuscleTech supplements for what reason?
OHHH!!! That's right. You're the rebel without a clue, who keeps yapping about how your crusade is going to put this supplement company out of business. By the way, you might want to revamp your strategy, as your loud-mouthed, lame-brained tactics over the past 2 years have been quite ineffective. Think about that, when you glance over the lastest ads for the "Hardcore" versions of Gakic, Leukic, and Creakic.
MT doesn't even make those lousy snakeoil supplements anymore you little fairy! My crusade is working. Tulip.
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GH15-have you ever attended a natural show(and I don't mean 1 year drug free MuscleMania bs ::) ? You obviously have a lot of knowledge on assisted training but no experience of natural bodybuilding which you do not seem to fully understand.
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let me prove you getbiggers my powers ok?
if mccowy is anything in supp industry or bodybuilding let me know and i will connect him with hormones ,,no not sell him hormones....connect him with already existant situation with research companys or aas,,ill do it if he is anything in the industry ,,let me know about it and youll see my powers
i suspect he is nothing but if he is let me know
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MT doesn't even make those lousy snakeoil supplements anymore you little fairy! My crusade is working. Tulip.
Yep, there are more MT products on the shelves of supplement stores than ever before. Keep up the good work, genius.
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let me prove you getbiggers my powers ok?
if mccowy is anything in supp industry or bodybuilding let me know and i will connect him with hormones ,,no not sell him hormones....connect him with already existant situation with research companys or aas,,ill do it if he is anything in the industry ,,let me know about it and youll see my powers
i suspect he is nothing but if he is let me know
I don't work in the supplement industry or in bodybuilding and have never claimed to have done so. Therefore, your pitiful attempt to prop up your weak claims don't fly. I don't want nor have I ever asked for anabolic steroids. And, were I to desire such, I certainly wouldn't ask for such from a guy who can't spell much better than my 3-year old.
Bottom line: you aren't an IFBB pro. My guess is you are but a frustrated would-be bodybuilder who got his behind kicked in a drug-tested show, trying to cheat. You and BlockHead can keep pretending to be significant in certain matters, while I get my daily dose of laughs watching you do it.
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What about an untrained individual GH15, 150 pounds zero workout history?I have alot of friends who now want to lift at age 28-30 having never touched a weight, I find it hard to believe they would make zero gains naturally.
Any answer to this GH15?
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let me prove you getbiggers my powers ok?
if mccowy is anything in supp industry or bodybuilding let me know and i will connect him with hormones ,,no not sell him hormones....connect him with already existant situation with research companys or aas,,ill do it if he is anything in the industry ,,let me know about it and youll see my powers
i suspect he is nothing but if he is let me know
Hell, i'll take it LOL
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past 26-28 ,,not even 1 single lb of lean muscle naturally and that means not even 1/4 of an inch of muscle on any bodypart including arms,,thats why most seriouslifters are hormonized by then
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Why would a previously untrained individual be unable to gain an ounce of muscle naturally past the age of 28? Because of low test levels? and if so, would you be willing to say that any woman who weight trains would be unable to put on an ounce of muscle as well naturally?
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This is the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Why would a previously untrained individual be unable to gain an ounce of muscle naturally past the age of 28? Because of low test levels? and if so, would you be willing to say that any woman who weight trains would be unable to put on an ounce of muscle as well naturally?
age is of great importance when it comes to bodybuilding friend,,wether trained or untrained you wont achive anything past 28 with out hormones,,you may think ydid,,you may look better and lose weight or gain some water weight and fat but in reality NADA
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age is of great importance when it comes to bodybuilding friend,,wether trained or untrained you wont achive anything past 28 with out hormones,,you may think ydid,,you may look better and lose weight or gain some water weight and fat but in reality NADA
That's not what I asked. We are talking about 1/4" of muscle on any bodypart as you previously stated. of course you won't gain anything impressive past a certain age naturally or at any age naturally for that matter. Your height to weight for a max natural is pretty good +/- a few lbs so thats not what I'm arguing. I want you to elaborate on the fact that weight training naturally past the age of 28 is pointless because you cannot gain one lbs of previously unattained muscle mass naturally.
What makes you think/say this? it's ridiculous.
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I don't work in the supplement industry or in bodybuilding and have never claimed to have done so. Therefore, your pitiful attempt to prop up your weak claims don't fly. I don't want nor have I ever asked for anabolic steroids. And, were I to desire such, I certainly wouldn't ask for such from a guy who can't spell much better than my 3-year old.
Bottom line: you aren't an IFBB pro. My guess is you are but a frustrated would-be bodybuilder who got his behind kicked in a drug-tested show, trying to cheat. You and BlockHead can keep pretending to be significant in certain matters, while I get my daily dose of laughs watching you do it.
you got a 3 year old? i feel mercy for that baby,,your problem is the stupidity of not understanding that I PUSPOSLY WRITE ENGLISH WITH SPELIN MISTAKES AND BAD STRUCTURE,,YOUR OTHER PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE UP TO PISS OF THE PROFESSIONALS AND THATS WHY WE ALL RUN AWAY IF WE EVER USE REAL NAMES BECAUSE YOU WANT NOTHIGN MORE BESIDE GETTING UNDER OUR SKINS,,AND YOUR THIRD PROBLEM IS THAT AFTER ALL OF THE DIAMONDS AND PEARLS OF WIZDOM GH15 GIVE HERE STILL! HAVENT GOT YOUR EGO DOWN TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE TO WHAT YOUR HEROS DID OR DO
your hero skip lacour is he competing? do you know why he is not competing? should we go to his doctor and release his blood samples and health related issues? should we ask ourselves how come past 2005 after we got deep into the core of undergrounds and start putting end to the criminals ..how come many so called bodybuilders quit and became their original 180-200lb? you dont know a from z of whats going on in this industry,,i said here that i HAVE TOUCHED THE TOP AS IN THE TOP NOT ONLY the third tier...
when i say this industry is saturated with hormones,,when i say there is no more natural bodybuilding,,when i say that everyone who sell you natural in bodybuilding LIES TO YOU AS IN TRUE LIES,,i mean it
you are all 250lb 75 natural on paper ,,or 220lb 9% natural while in reality if you are nothing but a puffed 200lb at 18% if you are natural at normal under 5'10 heights,,
you got to such a level of addiction that its sad,,you are ON A BODYBUILDING BOARD SIT HERE WHEN YOU GOT A 3 YEAR OLD IN THE HOUSE ,,THAT PUT YOU IN LATE 20 EARLY 30S SITTING ON BODYBUUILDING BOARD ON INTERNET,,,IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS SEVERE ADDICTION TO BODYBUILDING AND IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS THE USE OF HORMONE,,30 YEAR OLDS WITH KIDS HAVE NO TIME FOR NO BODYBUILDING THEY DONT KEEP CHCKIN INTERNET BOARDS AND SO MUCH INTO BODYBUILDING ....MY FRIEND YOU ARE THE SAD CASE OF WHAT OR SP[ORT GOT TO BE,,YOU ARE PROBABLY THE EXACT SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBED,,,A GUY THAT COULDNT GET NO WHEE ON HORMONES EVEN THOUGH USED THEM
you know whats the best thing about being gh15? every one reads what you say ,,i can write now have a post writing the word fart 10 times and it will become an all time best post you know why? because people like the truth,,bodybuilders know when a bodybuilder talk to them ,,especially serious bodybuilder...they knoe whas going on friend
as i said before sit back and relax or dont read gh15 ,,,its as simple as that ,,if you read gh15 ALWAYS expect the truth
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you got a 3 year old? i feel mercy for that baby,,your problem is the stupidity of not understanding that I PUSPOSLY WRITE ENGLISH WITH SPELIN MISTAKES AND BAD STRUCTURE,,YOUR OTHER PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE UP TO PISS OF THE PROFESSIONALS AND THATS WHY WE ALL RUN AWAY IF WE EVER USE REAL NAMES BECAUSE YOU WANT NOTHIGN MORE BESIDE GETTING UNDER OUR SKINS,,AND YOUR THIRD PROBLEM IS THAT AFTER ALL OF THE DIAMONDS AND PEARLS OF WIZDOM GH15 GIVE HERE STILL! HAVENT GOT YOUR EGO DOWN TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE TO WHAT YOUR HEROS DID OR DO
your hero skip lacour is he competing? do you know why he is not competing? should we go to his doctor and release his blood samples and health related issues? should we ask ourselves how come past 2005 after we got deep into the core of undergrounds and start putting end to the criminals ..how come many so called bodybuilders quit and became their original 180-200lb? you dont know a from z of whats going on in this industry,,i said here that i HAVE TOUCHED THE TOP AS IN THE TOP NOT ONLY the third tier...
when i say this industry is saturated with hormones,,when i say there is no more natural bodybuilding,,when i say that everyone who sell you natural in bodybuilding LIES TO YOU AS IN TRUE LIES,,i mean it
you are all 250lb 75 natural on paper ,,or 220lb 9% natural while in reality if you are nothing but a puffed 200lb at 18% if you are natural at normal under 5'10 heights,,
you got to such a level of addiction that its sad,,you are ON A BODYBUILDING BOARD SIT HERE WHEN YOU GOT A 3 YEAR OLD IN THE HOUSE ,,THAT PUT YOU IN LATE 20 EARLY 30S SITTING ON BODYBUUILDING BOARD ON INTERNET,,,IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS SEVERE ADDICTION TO BODYBUILDING AND IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS THE USE OF HORMONE,,30 YEAR OLDS WITH KIDS HAVE NO TIME FOR NO BODYBUILDING THEY DONT KEEP CHCKIN INTERNET BOARDS AND SO MUCH INTO BODYBUILDING ....MY FRIEND YOU ARE THE SAD CASE OF WHAT OR SP[ORT GOT TO BE,,YOU ARE PROBABLY THE EXACT SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBED,,,A GUY THAT COULDNT GET NO WHEE ON HORMONES EVEN THOUGH USED THEM
you know whats the best thing about being gh15? every one reads what you say ,,i can write now have a post writing the word fart 10 times and it will become an all time best post you know why? because people like the truth,,bodybuilders know when a bodybuilder talk to them ,,especially serious bodybuilder...they knoe whas going on friend
as i said before sit back and relax or dont read gh15 ,,,its as simple as that ,,if you read gh15 ALWAYS expect the truth
Steroid rage meltdown. Settle down imposter, it's only the internet.
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That's not what I asked. We are talking about 1/4" of muscle on any bodypart as you previously stated. of course you won't gain anything impressive past a certain age naturally or at any age naturally for that matter. Your height to weight for a max natural is pretty good +/- a few lbs so thats not what I'm arguing. I want you to elaborate on the fact that weight training naturally past the age of 28 is pointless because you cannot gain one lbs of previously unattained muscle mass naturally.
What makes you think/say this? it's ridiculous.
if you been all your life 160lb at 6'2 ,,yes you will gain weight and blow up your muscle some from resistant exercize but the moment you stop you will have tendency to get back to that 160-170lb sinc eyour body at 28 already swim comfortably at this weight/size and find homeostatis at that weight,,when you do hormones you create a new minimum ,,your body goes into the next level and fully max your either natural potential especially if you started late with bodybuilding or your hormonized potential that depends on your response to hormones
it starts 26-28 but you really feel it past 30
another thing that many of you guys dont understand is that SDI and other shit you used to take between 2000-2004 was aas related and can be catagorized as hormones,,lower doses ,,mixed in the product,,and in some cases written off as diff substance since there is no regulation from fda on those products,,
only in 2005 the supp companies started feeling that they can gt in real trouble and some did,,although some still do their thing,,but rest assure this all thing will be looked into sooner or later before hormones get to be less controled in america
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GH15
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IMHO, you can gain muscles natural after 28 , I did it ,I started competing at the age of 27 (154lbs).
now I compete around 165- 170 lbs,I never touched a drug(pro hormone.....etc) in my life .
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One of my buddies (juicer) has always said something very similar to GH15. The difference is that he has always told me that after 30 is when it kicks in. He is adamant that after 30 a natty will not put on new muscle mass. I hope to prove him wrong when the time comes but fear he could be right.
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I don't work in the supplement industry or in bodybuilding and have never claimed to have done so. Therefore, your pitiful attempt to prop up your weak claims don't fly. I don't want nor have I ever asked for anabolic steroids. And, were I to desire such, I certainly wouldn't ask for such from a guy who can't spell much better than my 3-year old.
Bottom line: you aren't an IFBB pro. My guess is you are but a frustrated would-be bodybuilder who got his behind kicked in a drug-tested show, trying to cheat. You and BlockHead can keep pretending to be significant in certain matters, while I get my daily dose of laughs watching you do it.
"trying to cheat"
oh brother, which succesfull athlete is not "cheating" nowadays? This goes for any sport.
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Having a belief system that says "Gains after 30 are impossible naturally" is not one that will serve you well. Just having that belief will prevent you from following through with hard training and nutrition, since you believe the Battle is already lost. My father kept a very good physique all the way into his late 70's(won the over 60 Nationals bodybuilding when he was 72) with no hormones. He did it also while completing over 100 marathons, and also ate very little protein. Most people would say that's impossible. Self limiting beliefs are not conducive to progress. There is a line however between that and delusion.
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age is of great importance when it comes to bodybuilding friend,,wether trained or untrained you wont achive anything past 28 with out hormones,,you may think ydid,,you may look better and lose weight or gain some water weight and fat but in reality NADA
Sorry, but I belie that statement. :-\
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you got a 3 year old? i feel mercy for that baby,,your problem is the stupidity of not understanding that I PUSPOSLY WRITE ENGLISH WITH SPELIN MISTAKES AND BAD STRUCTURE,,YOUR OTHER PROBLEM IS THAT YOU ARE UP TO PISS OF THE PROFESSIONALS AND THATS WHY WE ALL RUN AWAY IF WE EVER USE REAL NAMES BECAUSE YOU WANT NOTHIGN MORE BESIDE GETTING UNDER OUR SKINS,,AND YOUR THIRD PROBLEM IS THAT AFTER ALL OF THE DIAMONDS AND PEARLS OF WIZDOM GH15 GIVE HERE STILL! HAVENT GOT YOUR EGO DOWN TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLUE TO WHAT YOUR HEROS DID OR DO
your hero skip lacour is he competing? do you know why he is not competing? should we go to his doctor and release his blood samples and health related issues? should we ask ourselves how come past 2005 after we got deep into the core of undergrounds and start putting end to the criminals ..how come many so called bodybuilders quit and became their original 180-200lb? you dont know a from z of whats going on in this industry,,i said here that i HAVE TOUCHED THE TOP AS IN THE TOP NOT ONLY the third tier...
when i say this industry is saturated with hormones,,when i say there is no more natural bodybuilding,,when i say that everyone who sell you natural in bodybuilding LIES TO YOU AS IN TRUE LIES,,i mean it
you are all 250lb 75 natural on paper ,,or 220lb 9% natural while in reality if you are nothing but a puffed 200lb at 18% if you are natural at normal under 5'10 heights,,
you got to such a level of addiction that its sad,,you are ON A BODYBUILDING BOARD SIT HERE WHEN YOU GOT A 3 YEAR OLD IN THE HOUSE ,,THAT PUT YOU IN LATE 20 EARLY 30S SITTING ON BODYBUUILDING BOARD ON INTERNET,,,IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS SEVERE ADDICTION TO BODYBUILDING AND IN 100% OF CASES IT MEANS THE USE OF HORMONE,,30 YEAR OLDS WITH KIDS HAVE NO TIME FOR NO BODYBUILDING THEY DONT KEEP CHCKIN INTERNET BOARDS AND SO MUCH INTO BODYBUILDING ....MY FRIEND YOU ARE THE SAD CASE OF WHAT OR SP[ORT GOT TO BE,,YOU ARE PROBABLY THE EXACT SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBED,,,A GUY THAT COULDNT GET NO WHEE ON HORMONES EVEN THOUGH USED THEM
you know whats the best thing about being gh15? every one reads what you say ,,i can write now have a post writing the word fart 10 times and it will become an all time best post you know why? because people like the truth,,bodybuilders know when a bodybuilder talk to them ,,especially serious bodybuilder...they knoe whas going on friend
as i said before sit back and relax or dont read gh15 ,,,its as simple as that ,,if you read gh15 ALWAYS expect the truth
epic truth that's causing many getbiggers dreams to die ;D
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epic truth that's causing many getbiggers dreams to die ;D
thats why they keep posting they dont want to hear the truth from GH15 its said really though when you think about it folks just keep blasting back and forth arguing over something they know is the truth. Granted you can look better past 30, but no gain muscle. its sometimes better to be 190lbs with 6% BF than saying 245 with 20% BF.