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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: bizzy on May 07, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
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In the past you could tell a lot about someone's condition
by looking at their face.
Now, it is much harder to tell just by the face although there
are exceptions.
A good example would be Kai Greene who has a full face
but striated quads, glutes and back.
What do you think has caused this change?
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That's actually a pretty good question.
Perhaps due to the fact that today's fellows may depend more on drugs than on hard training and excrutiatingly difficult diets.
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That's actually a pretty good question.
Perhaps due to the fact that today's fellows may depend more on drugs than on hard training and excrutiatingly difficult diets.
actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.
2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.
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Gayer than staring at men's faces.
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actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.
2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.
well...I don't know...could be right...things are out of control gut wise and drug wise either way...I'd rather see everyone thrive and be healthy.
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Today's gear:
Bones grow and skin thickens.
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GH
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well...I don't know...could be right...things are out of control gut wise and drug wise either way...I'd rather see everyone thrive and be healthy.
maybe it's just different drugs. since the guys in the 90s killed themselves getting ripped, guys in the 2000s kill themselves getting huge, and the health issues aren't as immediate.
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actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.
2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.
The cramping stopped because bodybuilders found a compound called Quinine Sulfate, as it prevents any and all cramping from diuretics. The only problem is that if your potassium is depleted enough to the point to where your heart might stop, you won't have the extreme cramping beforehand to warn you. Luckily I guess you have to get pretty water depleted for that to happen though.
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Insulin..what else!
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DBL chins too,bbers today can eat more and get into shape but still be out of breath and ripped :-\
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actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.
2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.
Good analysis.
I would say the drugs definitely have something to do with it - the guys of today are bigger on average than those of the 80's and so don't need to take as extreme steps with their diets - the gear now takes care of that for them. Better drug knowledge and variety of the 21st century now takes the place of the naive experimentation of the 1980's.
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insulin, dnp, diuretics
back then no one was getting to 3% bodyfat. Kai doesn't have the sunken face because I don't think he's ever gotten down to 3% body fat. Nor should he. 3% doesn't mean you have more muscles, proportionality or symmetry. 3% just means you have grainier skin.
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HGH
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Insulin..what else!
hahahhaa When I started reading this thread, I was looking for this post. ;D
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Insulin..what else!
i won't rip on you here coach cause we finally agree on something.
insulin used in pre contest carb up is the culprit.
(look at JOJ pics from last year- massive super- compensation caused by overloading carbs and using insulin to push it all)
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Gayer than staring at men's faces.
I like to stare at men's faeces.
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No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!
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Fning MOMO... That little bastard was AWESOME.....
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No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!
agreed. time frame and amounts are pretty much spot on. (edit: i miss-read that i thought you had meant 3-5000 cals from carbs, which would be equal to 750- 1250 or more grams of carbs in the load, per day- 5000 grams of carbs is out there, unless you mean over the length of the load)
we have to stop agreeing like this coach.
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Insulin..what else!
;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=213942.0;attach=250436;image)
this one is begging to be photoshopped
looks like he has 2...
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No one is correct add to the fact that if and when you load with insulin carbs have to be taken in. In most cases the loading starts about 4 days out. Over the course of those 4 days, the carb loading is somewhere between 3-5000grms over the days!
would you rather a person use insulin, or attend church with reverend wright?
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Insulin..what else!
we got a winner here,,bingo
insulin is the reason there is no detailed physiqes anymore,,INSULIN IS USED BY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WALK AT 240 AND OVER WITH LOW BODYFAT% ON A PROFESSIONAL STAGE NOW DAYS
it is not the growth and it is not the aas,,it is the insulin and ONLY the insulin
by the way..how can heath ever win o with chest such as this? this is pathetic and worse than many 180lb gym rats and no its not that the arms are killing the chest it is that there is NO CHEST,,stucturally he is out of the mr o title unless joseph wants him to be a mr o ,,therre shoud never be mr o with such a pathetic chest ,,the more i look at it the more im amazed since this fella is not 5'3 like priest he is 5'9 and got no chest ,,he is all arms shoulder when it comes to upper tors,,i dont know but if he wins o ever while dex competing that will be the end of bodybuilding justice as it will be killed a final death after jason disaster showing last year ,,its like god forgot to give him chest,,amazing
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I like to stare at men's faeces.
Ewww :(
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would you rather a person use insulin, or attend church with reverend wright?
I would rather jump off of a 9 story building head first and land on an insulin needle with my eye, than attend just ONE sermon from the devil ("Rev" Wright) himself.
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I like to stare at men's faeces.
With a name like anal discharge that's not surprising. ;D
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when in the best shape of his life, Ronnie looked like a skeleton in the face:
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With a name like anal discharge that's not surprising. ;D
LOL ;D
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when in the best shape of his life, Ronnie looked like a skeleton in the face:
I wish I had a good scanner because I have some pics from 98-99 (from Musclemag Int.) of
Ronnie that shows the skeleton face of that time really well.
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Shawn Ray back in the early 90's had quite the cheekbones sticking out signifying how in shape he was.
In "The Final Countdown," maybe it was the BFTO 96 (or 98), he stated "see these? My cheekbones, they tell you how good of shape I'm in....you should see my glutes!" and he continues seconds afterwards (though I've never really been certain of the answer) "stupid." Like he was commenting on his own remark about both glutes and cheekbones.
Anyway...
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I wish I had a good scanner because I have some pics from 98-99 (from Musclemag Int.) of
Ronnie that shows the skeleton face of that time really well.
try taking a digital pic of the picture.
not the greatest. but better than nothing :)
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maybe it's just different drugs. since the guys in the 90s killed themselves getting ripped, guys in the 2000s kill themselves getting huge, and the health issues aren't as immediate.
In the long-term, insulin will be ten times as destructive as megadoses of AAS ever were.
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The cramping stopped because bodybuilders found a compound called Quinine Sulfate, as it prevents any and all cramping from diuretics. The only problem is that if your potassium is depleted enough to the point to where your heart might stop, you won't have the extreme cramping beforehand to warn you. Luckily I guess you have to get pretty water depleted for that to happen though.
Quinine is no longer being made n the US.
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OMG :o Has there ever been another thread where Coach, Gh15 and Disgusted has ever been in total agreement before? ;D
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when in the best shape of his life, Ronnie looked like a skeleton in the face:
To bad 99 ain't the best shape of his life , try 2001 ;)
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when in the best shape of his life, Ronnie looked like a skeleton in the face:
Just get it over with and ask him if he'll marry you. You know you want to.
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Just get it over with and ask him if he'll marry you. You know you want to.
Hulkster cried when Ronnie got married :-X
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What does AAS stand for?
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What does AAS stand for?
anabolic-androgenic steroids
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actually i'd say the reverse. the guys of the early 90s tended to either die or have severe health problems because of the immense drug cycles they took in order to get into contest condition. by 1998, how many people of the 1990s were either dead or out of commission? we'd seen dillet freeze on stage, munzer, momo, francois was gone, so was dennis newman, in the next two years flex's kidneys would go and TP was out soon as well.
2008, pretty much everyone whose career blossomed near the turn of the millenium is fine.
I was thinking the same thing myself. Having said that the "sunken face" look went with looking really ripped to the bone. The guys today seem fuller but don't look ast shredded overall. The cuts are there but most top guys seem to lack that deep , shredded separation of the sunken face crew?????
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Guys these days don't get that bone dry, hard look. Granted, they are bigger, but take a look at the 1993 Olympia and just about everyone in the show was shredded.
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To bad 99 ain't the best shape of his life , try 2001 ;)
no, he was 10 pounds bigger in 99 and just as hard.
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no, he was 10 pounds bigger in 99 and just as hard.
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lmfao he was just as hard ::) says who you? Ronnie and everyone who knows about professional bodybuilding all say his best ever showing was 2001 NOT 1999 sorry moron you're alone in this ignorant assessment , hey when are we going to see the photoshopped pics? ;)
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Ronnie was so much harder & drier in 2001 , he probably came close to this in 1998 and NO other time in his career , Ronnie himself said that his best Olympia was 1998 specifically because his conditioning was spot-on .
Ronnie looked outstanding in 2001 his was about 244 pounds and shredded
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Ronnie was so much harder & drier in 2001 , he probably came close to this in 1998 and NO other time in his career , Ronnie himself said that his best Olympia was 1998 specifically because his conditioning was spot-on .
Ronnie looked outstanding in 2001 his was about 244 pounds and shredded
2001 is yours and quite a few others opinion of his best.
Alot say 2003 was his best showing.
Many believe 99
was his best combo of size, shape and condition.
Same reason people pick 74 Arnold over 75.
Same reason people pick pre contest 93 Dorian over 93 contest Dorian.
Hulkster was on topic with his statement of Ronnie's face.
Let's keep it back on topic ND and not debate which year was someones
best. I believe there is another thread for that.
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2001 is yours and quite a few others opinion of his best.
Alot say 2003 was his best showing.
Many believe 99
was his best combo of size, shape and condition.
Same reason people pick 74 Arnold over 75.
Same reason people pick pre contest 93 Dorian over 93 contest Dorian.
Hulkster was on topic with his statement of Ronnie's face.
Let's keep it back on topic ND and not debate which year was someones
best. I believe there is another thread for that.
exactly.
every time the cowardly lion grows the balls to post, he shows his ignorance.
he posts pics of Ronnie 2001 as if 99 was not as good LOL
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ND, you sound like a broken record..
and once again, you have no visual proof, as always ::).
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no, he was 10 pounds bigger in 99 and just as hard.
:P
Angle and lighting.
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A lean faced Levrone (I believe @ the 92 NOC)
vs. heavier muscled versions.
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although ND will rant and scream like the little girl that he is, the fact is that Ronnie was much leaner in the face in 1999 than he was at the 2001 AC.
deal with it ND. :P
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There's been alot of good replies to this thread
and my suspicion was that the present faces had to do with
insulin or GH but I don't know that much about drugs and
it's good to hear people's opinions. It seems like insulin is the main factor
with GH being secondary and heavier muscle mass playing a partial role also.
I just remember the days when you could see Mike Quinn, Berry Demey,
Francis Benfatto and even Shawn Ray and know they were really shredded
by having as Hulkster put it: The skeleton face...
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Peter Andreas
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You guys are dense! Clearly the reason for the bloated faces on todays conditioned bodybuilders, is due to massive Synthol injections and the Synthol migrated to their heads! It's so simple.
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Sunken face right here :(
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN0358.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN0322.jpg)
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Sunken face right here :(
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN0358.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN0322.jpg)
Looking like a greek god right there Joe 8)
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IMO, one of the best upper bodies ever, especially when standing relaxed.
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IMO, one of the best upper bodies ever, especially when standing relaxed.
NOT IN THAT PIC THOUGH MIDSECTION LOOKS ODD..
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we got a winner here,,bingo
insulin is the reason there is no detailed physiqes anymore,,INSULIN IS USED BY EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE GUYS WHO WALK AT 240 AND OVER WITH LOW BODYFAT% ON A PROFESSIONAL STAGE NOW DAYS
it is not the growth and it is not the aas,,it is the insulin and ONLY the insulin
by the way..how can heath ever win o with chest such as this? this is pathetic and worse than many 180lb gym rats and no its not that the arms are killing the chest it is that there is NO CHEST,,stucturally he is out of the mr o title unless joseph wants him to be a mr o ,,therre shoud never be mr o with such a pathetic chest ,,the more i look at it the more im amazed since this fella is not 5'3 like priest he is 5'9 and got no chest ,,he is all arms shoulder when it comes to upper tors,,i dont know but if he wins o ever while dex competing that will be the end of bodybuilding justice as it will be killed a final death after jason disaster showing last year ,,its like god forgot to give him chest,,amazing
What about IGF-1?
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What about IGF-1?
IGF-1 is a scam
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NOT IN THAT PIC THOUGH MIDSECTION LOOKS ODD..
It's because he is flexing his abdominals and not his obliques.
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Even when Levrone came in at 260 pounds in the mid-late 90's he still had a sunken face, as did 270 pound Yates. Bodyweight had nothing to do with it. They pretty much had NO water in their body, or at least a very depleted amount, thanks to good old diuretics.
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A lean faced Levrone (I believe @ the 92 NOC)
vs. heavier muscled versions.
His shape at that show and the olympia where he came second to dorian were his all best time shapes, the insulin fucked him and the sport in my opinion.
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Hulkster cried when Ronnie got married :-X
Doesn't surprise me in the least bit. In fact, if he hadn't, I would have been shocked! :D
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anabolic-androgenic steroids
Cheers
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IGF-1 is a scam
Please elaborate
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Please elaborate
I never saw anybody get better gain when they added that thing to their usual stacks.
either the Igf-1 they were taking was fake or it doesn't work, but from what I read on the boards it really doesn't do much
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Please elaborate
I think he's saying it's shit, Van.
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I never saw anybody get better gain when they added that thing to their usual stacks.
either the Igf-1 they were taking was fake or it doesn't work, but from what I read on the boards it really doesn't do much
That's pretty much what I've seen too. Maybe some fat loss. And lethargy. :D
I think he's saying it's shit, Van.
:D What do you think about igf-1?
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Less food also,ie. much stricter/extreme diets with no cheat meals or cheat days like todays slobs.
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Less food also,ie. much stricter/extreme diets with no cheat meals or cheat days like todays slobs.
Tim laying the smackdown on the young fellas ;D
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Damn right bro!! LOL :)
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That's pretty much what I've seen too. Maybe some fat loss. And lethargy. :D
:D What do you think about igf-1?
Well the only people I've ever seen talking it up are the ones selling it for starters...also, I've never heard of IGF-1 being held responsible for any of the physiques I've ever admired. Actually, I've never even heard of it being responsible for anything anyone's ever done in particular, have you? Just alot of people talking about what it could do, if it's real, if you mix it/preserve it/shoot it right...just a bunch of b.s. if you ask me.
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2001 is yours and quite a few others opinion of his best.
Alot say 2003 was his best showing.
Many believe 99
was his best combo of size, shape and condition.
Same reason people pick 74 Arnold over 75.
Same reason people pick pre contest 93 Dorian over 93 contest Dorian.
Hulkster was on topic with his statement of Ronnie's face.
Let's keep it back on topic ND and not debate which year was someones
best. I believe there is another thread for that.
You say lets keep it on topic while NOT keeping it on topic , don't be a hypocrite and NO the general consensus is 2001 is his best showing NOT 1999 thats you and Hulkster's preference but you people have limited understanding of competitive bodybuilding , but make no mistake the people in the know aren't claiming 1999.
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awesome midsection.
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exactly.
every time the cowardly lion grows the balls to post, he shows his ignorance.
he posts pics of Ronnie 2001 as if 99 was not as good LOL
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ND, you sound like a broken record..
and once again, you have no visual proof, as always ::).
Hulkster when are you due for another meltdown post? and whats the bullshit I'm ' cowardly ' ? I've been posting all along stop act like I'm avoiding posting in here , I don't post on the truce thread because A) I proved my points and you and your buddies couldn't counter them , B) because Ronnie himself said on two occasions that he could NEVER beat Dorian , guess what moron that means I won ;) , you and the other idiots are lost without me but hey the game is over .
and I post pictures of Ronnie Coleman's best showing which is 2001 Arnold Classic , this is verified by many people , many intelligent knowledgeable people in the professional bodybuilding community ! Ronnie himself said his best Olympia was 1998 and NOT 1999 specifically because his conditioning was spot-on you can't counter this and never could , just like when Ronnie said he could NEVER beat Dorian Yates and when arguably the best bodybuilder ever says this his words carry some weight ;)
Hulkster as usual you have nothing for me , keep posting your photoshopped pics and brag about how everyone who was actually at the contest and you sitting at home using photoshopped pic is right lol
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This guy looked awesome too.
(http://www.wpse.com/Galleries/1/457/Hamdullah%20Aykutlu_62570.jpg)
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This guy looked awesome too.
(http://www.wpse.com/Galleries/1/457/Hamdullah%20Aykutlu_62570.jpg)
Hamdullah's conditioning was always spot on he was always razor sharp but he got lost in the size game .
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Hulkster was on topic with his statement of Ronnie's face.
Let's keep it back on topic ND and not debate which year was someones
best. I believe there is another thread for that.
Narc deity cannot stay on topic, annoying chronic ADD is her middle name. :-*
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Narc deity cannot stay on topic, annoying is his/her middle name.
Pot calling the kettle black , bitching about me not staying on topic while NOT staying on topic .
anyway
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Pot calling the kettle black , bitching about me not staying on topic while NOT staying on topic .
anyway
There she goes again.
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There she goes again.
could you possibly get anymore childish? has this what you've been reduced to? seriously and stop projecting your lust for transgendered people on me , maybe this post will ring a bell lol ;)
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shredded
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shredded
Bay, out of interest, what does your Gaydar say to you about that guy?
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Bay, out of interest, what does your Gaydar say to you about that guy?
TrueGrit, out of interest, why would you care about his Gaydar? Do you have one of your own?
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TrueGrit, out of interest, why would you care about his Gaydar? Do you have one of your own?
Absolutely. Mine says that guy looks queer..what does yours say?
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;D
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/bber1.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/070210_stiller_meara.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/bber2.jpg)
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/Jerry_Stiller.jpg)
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Man, I remember that guy...for awhile his photo was pasted all over the net about 4 years ago. Guy looks phenomenal alone, but next to someone like, even, Ronnie Rockel, he disappears.
However, when bodybuilding, that's the image I have in my head. :)
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Man, I remember that guy...for awhile his photo was pasted all over the net about 4 years ago. Guy looks phenomenal alone, but next to someone like, even, Ronnie Rockel, he disappears.
However, when bodybuilding, that's the image I have in my head. :)
:)