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I have read countless posts about how some feel that Bob is a mindless pawn or puppet for the IFBB.
In my humble opinion, I honestly get the impression that Bob really does believe that the NPC/ IFBB is the best organization to promote bodybuilding.
I have been lucky to be able to talk with Bob for several minutes at various contest expos over the years.
Sometimes the crowd is slow and Bob is working a booth . I have used these times to pick Bob's brain on various bodybuilding issues. We may not agree on every issue, but one things stands out.
Bob started with the NPC as a teen and worked his way up after many years to the pro ranks. The world of the NPC/ IFBB (pro) is what he knows and loves.I sincerely believe that the reason he doesn't "badmouth" the IFBB or Jim Manion is due to his respect for the man and his organization. What other organization as come close to what the NPC/IFBB has done with bodybuilding? Folks have talked big and tried, only to crash and burn. McMahn's WBF debacle in the early 90's along with the recent folding of Wayne Damillia's PDI are examples of what I talking about. While I disagree with Bob on the infamous drug issue, I do agree that the natural sanctions are small , "mom and pop" operations.
The NPC/IFBB may not be perfect, but over the years, they have been the only viable path for any career as a bodybuilder. Say what you will, crack on the IFBB all you want, and you still have to admit they have been the BIG leagues for a long time.
Bob has done well by working with the IFBB/ NPC system as it is. He earned his way up via a lot of years of hard work as a bodybuilder. He may not have won the Arnold or Mr O, but he did work on his "PR" skills as an actor and MC by working in shows like American Gladiators and small parts in some films.
From my experience, it appears Bob has done just fine with the NPC/IFBB system and it is logical he would be loyal to them as a result. Not every pro has faired as well as Bob of course. Lee Priest would be the classic example. Lee is a good pro with a great physique, but he never really did say or do the right things to survive long term in the IFBB. Arnold knew how to make things work for him within the IFBB and both the IFBB and Arnold got a bennefit from their relationship , to this day. Arnold knew when to move on to other more lucrative paths however .
Sometimes an employee or athlete does well by working WITH an organization . While some may admire the outspoken rebel, the smarter path may be the one where you get along with the main group. Sincere, hard working, loyal team players are often the most valued members in any organization. Why rock the boat if you are sailing along just fine?
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All points taken but I thought Bob was the Pro Athletes Rep not the Fukin IFBB. ::)
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Didnt you run away cause you got your feelings hurt?
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All points taken but I thought Bob was the Pro Athletes Rep not the Fukin IFBB. ::)
Bob Chick owns your mind.
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In my humble opinion, I honestly get the impression that Bob really does believe that the NPC/ IFBB is the best organization to promote bodybuilding.
Yeah, but that's because he's stupid, Howard. ::)
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I have read countless posts about how some feel that Bob is a midless pawn or puppet for the IFBB.
In my humble opinion, I honestly get the impression that Bob really does believe that the NPC/ IFBB is the best organization to promote bodybuilding.
I have been lucky to be able to talk with Bob for several minutes at various contest expos over the years.
Sometimes the crowd is slow and Bob is working a booth . I have used these times to pick Bob's brain on various bodybuilding issues. We may not agree on every issue, but one things stands out.
Bob started with the NPC as a teen and worked his way up after many years to the pro ranks.
The world of the NPC/ IFBB (pro) is what he knows and loves.I sincerely believe that the reason he doesn't "badmouth" the IFBB or Jim Manion is due to his respect for the man and his organization.
What other organization as come close to what the NPC/IFBB has done with bodybuilding?
Folks have talked big and tried, only to crash and burn. McMahn's WBF debacle in the early 90's along with the recent folding of Wayne Damillia's PDI are examples of what I talking about. While I disagree with Bob on the infamous drug issue, I do agree that the natural sanctions are small , "mom and pop" operations.
The NPC/IFBB may not be perfect, but over the years, they have been the only viable path for any career as a bodybuilder. Say what you will, crack on the IFBB all you want, and you still have to admit they have been the BIG leagues for a long time.
Bob has done well by working with the IFBB/ NPC system as it is. He earned his way up via a lot of years of hard work as a bodybuilder. He may not have won the Arnold or Mr O, but he did work on his "PR" skills as an actor and MC by working in shows like American Gladiators and small parts in some films.
From my experience, it appears Bob has done just fine with the NPC/IFBB system and it is logical he would be loyal to them as a result. Not every pro has faired as well as Bob of course. Lee Priest would be the classic example. Lee is a good pro with a great physique, but he never really did say or do the right things to survive long term in the IFBB. Arnold knew how to make things work for him within the IFBB and both the IFBB and Arnold got a bennefit from their relationship , to this day. Arnold knew when to move on to other more lucrative paths however .
Sometimes an employee or athlete does well by working WITH an organization . While some may admire the outspoken rebel, the smarter path may be the one where you get along with the main group.
Sincere, hard working, loyal team players are often the most valued members in any organization.
Why rock the boat if you are sailing along just fine?
You are wise my friend....no surprise there, the smarter one's always seem to know the truth.
I get a kick out of all these guys who constantly campaign about the BBers being able to compete elsehere, in other fed's, etc....little do they know, there is little to no money outside the IFBB. Anyone want to do some homework? Where is Tim Fogerty when we need him? Look up how much the winner of last years NABBA shows won....(assuming they had a show)
Athletes have made their way through the NPC, graduated on to the IFBB, gained exposure through the muscle mags, signed contracts with major supp companies, made money from competing, appearances, etc....why does anyone believe the athletes want to go anywhere ese? Go where? to the PDI? If anyone thought going there was such a great idea, they could have followed Priest there....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
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....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
Hey, come on... Lee Priest is about as done as Squadfather. Oh, wait a minute.... :D
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Hey, come on... Lee Priest is about as done as Squadfather. Oh, wait a minute.... :D
Lee wasn't mentioned....
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NPC/IFBB is the only league, how many Nabba athletes have endorsement contracts ? Not many .
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You are wise my friend....no surprise there, the smarter one's always seem to know the truth.
If anyone thought going there was such a great idea, they could have followed Priest there....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
Mmm... seems we finally got an answer as to whether Priest will be competing in the IFBB from you Bob. So why don't you just tell him yourself instead of pretending you give two shits about what happens in his bb career.
Instead of saying, "Lee if you just shut up and lay low, you will be reinstated", come clean. Stop bullshitting around you two-faced assfuck...
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Mmm... seems we finally got an answer as to whether Priest will be competing in the IFBB from you Bob. So why don't you just tell him yourself instead of pretending you give two shits about what happens in his bb career.
Instead of saying, "Lee if you just shut up and lay low, you will be reinstated", come clean. Stop bullshitting around you two-faced assfuck...
Too bad you cant read you assfuck...did I mention Priest as being done? See if you can actually comprehend what was written....assfuck.
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Mmm... seems we finally got an answer as to whether Priest will be competing in the IFBB from you Bob. So why don't you just tell him yourself instead of pretending you give two shits about what happens in his bb career.
Instead of saying, "Lee if you just shut up and lay low, you will be reinstated", come clean. Stop bullshitting around you two-faced assfuck...
It was posted in another thread somewhere that Manion has said to several people that Lee is never getting back in, and if true, I can't believe Bob could be unaware of this. Unfortunately, Manion (and probably Bob) won't say it to LEE, because they enjoy fuccking with him by giving him false hope way too much.
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Too bad you cant read you assfuck...did I mention Priest as being done? See if you can actually comprehend what was written....assfuck.
LMFAO "assfuck"? wow Chick just lost it...someone got him angry haha
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So why the Fuk have a B&A contest mentioned on the IFBB Pro site in the NEWS section. Hmmmmmmm?????.FFS.
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It was posted in another thread somewhere that Manion has said to several people that Lee is never getting back in, and if true, I can't believe Bob could be unaware of this. Unfortunately, Manion (and probably Bob) won't say it to LEE, because they enjoy fuccking with him by giving him false hope way too much.
Answered your own question...it's not.
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i wish everyone would just stop being an assfuck ;D
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Re: What you may not realize about Bob Chic and his IFBB loyalty
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Quote from: Howard on Today at 05:24:03 PM
I have read countless posts about how some feel that Bob is a midless pawn or puppet for the IFBB.
In my humble opinion, I honestly get the impression that Bob really does believe that the NPC/ IFBB is the best organization to promote bodybuilding.
I have been lucky to be able to talk with Bob for several minutes at various contest expos over the years.
Sometimes the crowd is slow and Bob is working a booth . I have used these times to pick Bob's brain on various bodybuilding issues. We may not agree on every issue, but one things stands out.
Bob started with the NPC as a teen and worked his way up after many years to the pro ranks.
The world of the NPC/ IFBB (pro) is what he knows and loves.I sincerely believe that the reason he doesn't "badmouth" the IFBB or Jim Manion is due to his respect for the man and his organization.
What other organization as come close to what the NPC/IFBB has done with bodybuilding?
Folks have talked big and tried, only to crash and burn. McMahn's WBF debacle in the early 90's along with the recent folding of Wayne Damillia's PDI are examples of what I talking about. While I disagree with Bob on the infamous drug issue, I do agree that the natural sanctions are small , "mom and pop" operations.
The NPC/IFBB may not be perfect, but over the years, they have been the only viable path for any career as a bodybuilder. Say what you will, crack on the IFBB all you want, and you still have to admit they have been the BIG leagues for a long time.
Bob has done well by working with the IFBB/ NPC system as it is. He earned his way up via a lot of years of hard work as a bodybuilder. He may not have won the Arnold or Mr O, but he did work on his "PR" skills as an actor and MC by working in shows like American Gladiators and small parts in some films.
From my experience, it appears Bob has done just fine with the NPC/IFBB system and it is logical he would be loyal to them as a result. Not every pro has faired as well as Bob of course. Lee Priest would be the classic example. Lee is a good pro with a great physique, but he never really did say or do the right things to survive long term in the IFBB. Arnold knew how to make things work for him within the IFBB and both the IFBB and Arnold got a bennefit from their relationship , to this day. Arnold knew when to move on to other more lucrative paths however .
Sometimes an employee or athlete does well by working WITH an organization . While some may admire the outspoken rebel, the smarter path may be the one where you get along with the main group.
Sincere, hard working, loyal team players are often the most valued members in any organization.
Why rock the boat if you are sailing along just fine?
You are wise my friend....no surprise there, the smarter one's always seem to know the truth.
I get a kick out of all these guys who constantly campaign about the BBers being able to compete elsehere, in other fed's, etc....little do they know, there is little to no money outside the IFBB. Anyone want to do some homework? Where is Tim Fogerty when we need him? Look up how much the winner of last years NABBA shows won....(assuming they had a show)
Athletes have made their way through the NPC, graduated on to the IFBB, gained exposure through the muscle mags, signed contracts with major supp companies, made money from competing, appearances, etc....why does anyone believe the athletes want to go anywhere ese? Go where? to the PDI? If anyone thought going there was such a great idea, they could have followed Priest there....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
So why the Fuk have a B&A contest mentioned on the IFBB Pro site in the NEWS section.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????.FFS.
I would guess because there was misinformation put out initially which made it sound like anyone could compete without recourse....that was not true. By posting the obvious, they eliminate any possibility of an athlete saying " But I thought....."
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Oh you mean like that Show Troy just Guest posed in last weekend????.
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Answered your own question...it's not.
Bullshit. In any other crime/punishment scenario I can think of, whether dealing with private organizations or the law, you break a rule, get sentenced to a finite punishment, serve your time, and that's it. The IFBB could have "sentenced" him to permanent expulsion, but they didn't, they gave him 12 months. He served his time... let him back in!
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Is it 12mths YET??????????? ::)
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if the IFBB is the "only viable option" then why is manion so concerned about competing outside the IFBB?
he apparently has no problem with Jay,Gustavo,Troy and other guest posing outside the IFBB.
As there is so little money in bodybuilding, why limit the lower tier athletes income by restricting where they compete?
If the IFBB really cared about the athletes, then there should be no concern about competeing/guest posing elsewhere to make a few bucks.
You are wise my friend....no surprise there, the smarter one's always seem to know the truth.
I get a kick out of all these guys who constantly campaign about the BBers being able to compete elsehere, in other fed's, etc....little do they know, there is little to no money outside the IFBB. Anyone want to do some homework? Where is Tim Fogerty when we need him? Look up how much the winner of last years NABBA shows won....(assuming they had a show)
Athletes have made their way through the NPC, graduated on to the IFBB, gained exposure through the muscle mags, signed contracts with major supp companies, made money from competing, appearances, etc....why does anyone believe the athletes want to go anywhere ese? Go where? to the PDI? If anyone thought going there was such a great idea, they could have followed Priest there....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
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Bullshit. In any other crime/punishment scenario I can think of, whether dealing with private organizations or the law, you break a rule, get sentenced to a finite punishment, serve your time, and that's it. The IFBB could have "sentenced" him to permanent expulsion, but they didn't, they gave him 12 months. He served his time... let him back in!
Bullshit? You said...and I quote: "If it's true...."
I answered....it's not. That answers the rest of your question....
Whats the rest of your rhetoric have to do with that?
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There will be a meeting right before the Olympia (two or so days before the Mr. O), and hopefully, the issue of Lee Priest and others will be discussed. If all goes well, then perhaps Lee can and will compete in the 2009 Ironman. Lee made his own bed by not only competing in another organization, but most importantly, saying and disrespecting the IFBB.
And yes, the IFBB, and in some ways the NPC, are the premier organizations of amatuer and professional bodybuilding, figure and fitness in the US, so naturally, supplement companies, competitors, and many others work with them.
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if the IFBB is the "only viable option" then why is manion so concerned about competing outside the IFBB?
he apparently has no problem with Jay,Gustavo,Troy and other guest posing outside the IFBB.
As there is so little money in bodybuilding, why limit the lower tier athletes income by restricting where they compete?
If the IFBB really cared about the athletes, then there should be no concern about competeing/guest posing elsewhere to make a few bucks.
It's their rules that made them the only show in town...from their perspective,why would they deviate from that?
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if the IFBB is the "only viable option" then why is manion so concerned about competing outside the IFBB?
he apparently has no problem with Jay,Gustavo,Troy and other guest posing outside the IFBB.
As there is so little money in bodybuilding, why limit the lower tier athletes income by restricting where they compete?
If the IFBB really cared about the athletes, then there should be no concern about competeing/guest posing elsewhere to make a few bucks.
the ifbb gives you fame and shit man... to be a pro should be something highly seen as... and you should stick to the ifbb... to be a pro should be respected man..
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You are wise my friend....no surprise there, the smarter one's always seem to know the truth.
I get a kick out of all these guys who constantly campaign about the BBers being able to compete elsehere, in other fed's, etc....little do they know, there is little to no money outside the IFBB. Anyone want to do some homework? Where is Tim Fogerty when we need him? Look up how much the winner of last years NABBA shows won....(assuming they had a show)
Athletes have made their way through the NPC, graduated on to the IFBB, gained exposure through the muscle mags, signed contracts with major supp companies, made money from competing, appearances, etc....why does anyone believe the athletes want to go anywhere ese? Go where? to the PDI? If anyone thought going there was such a great idea, they could have followed Priest there....that resulted in a whopping 2 guys, who are both now done it seems.
Here is my post again.....I never questioned your reading skills...it's your ability to comprehend that's called into question...
Try it again, we'll wait for you to understand it...r let me know, I'll dumb it down for you.
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Here is my post again.....I never questioned your reading skills...it's your ability to comprehend that's called into question...
Try it again, we'll wait for you to understand it...r let me know, I'll dumb it down for you.
IFBB is the fucking place to be! even thou some people complain it has the NAME the RESPECT and EVERYONE wants to be a fucking ifbb PRO!
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It's their rules that made them the only show in town...from their perspective,why would they deviate from that?
Translation: their protectionist and anticompetitive rules resulted in their achieving a monopoly position in their industry.
I refer you to 15 U.S.C. §§ 1-7 and 12-27. ::)
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if the IFBB is the "only viable option" then why is manion so concerned about competing outside the IFBB? he apparently has no problem with Jay,Gustavo,Troy and other guest posing outside the IFBB. As there is so little money in bodybuilding, why limit the lower tier athletes income by restricting where they compete? If the IFBB really cared about the athletes, then there should be no concern about competeing/guest posing elsewhere to make a few bucks.
It is very simple. No one is telling you where to compete. But if you choose to compete in the IFBB, then you are in the IFBB. Not another organization. I think this arguement has gone on for years. If you agree to compete in the IFBB, and you certainly have a choice not to, and then you decide to compete for another organization while with the IFBB, then you have violated the main rule. It is very simple. Like it or not, it is a clear rule. Don't like the rule. Don't compete there.
You know exactly what is going on. You are good at pretending to care about the athletes... but it's your own neck you are looking out for. If you were as honest as you claim to be, you would let Priest know where he stands
Everybody knows what is going on with the Lee Priest situation. Don't hide away. Bob says what he wants, and I respect him for that. Lee needs to work it out with the IFBB, he chose to violate the rules, and disrespect, and now he wants to come back. Yay! Accept Bob is fighting for Lee, and he had many times Lee could of solved it. It isnt up to Bob. It is up to Lee and the IFBB. The next meeting is before the Olympia. Lee needs to make his case for reinstatement with the IFBB.
don't say anything that could seem offensive to the IFBB and Manion.
We work with the IFBB, we respect the organization and the shows and the expos. Instead of attacking the IFBB and degrading it, we work to make it better. We enjoy coming to the shows, seeing the competitions and working with people who are committed to make the IFBB better. Not some people who never go to a show or expo and degrade it.
Remind me of some guys in the fraternity I belonged for that all they did was party and complain. Never once wanted to help out, to go to a fundraiser, to go to a charitable event, to actually work. Always negative.
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It is very simple. No one is telling you where to compete. But if you choose to compete in the IFBB, then you are in the IFBB. Not another organization. I think this arguement has gone on for years. If you agree to compete in the IFBB, and you certainly have a choice not to, and then you decide to compete for another organization while with the IFBB, then you have violated the main rule. It is very simple. Like it or not, it is a clear rule. Don't like the rule. Don't compete there.
Everybody knows what is going on with the Lee Priest situation. Don't hide away. Bob says what he wants, and I respect him for that. Lee needs to work it out with the IFBB, he chose to violate the rules, and disrespect, and now he wants to come back. Yay! Accept Bob is fighting for Lee, and he had many times Lee could of solved it. It isnt up to Bob. It is up to Lee and the IFBB. The next meeting is before the Olympia. Lee needs to make his case for reinstatement with the IFBB.
We work with the IFBB, we respect the organization and the shows and the expos. Instead of attacking the IFBB and degrading it, we work to make it better. We enjoy coming to the shows, seeing the competitions and working with people who are committed to make the IFBB better. Not some people who never go to a show or expo and degrade it.
Remind me of some guys in the fraternity I belonged for that all they did was party and complain. Never once wanted to help out, to go to a fundraiser, to go to a charitable event, to actually work. Always negative.
laying the PIMP hand..
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It is surprising how well I understand. I read it exactly how you meant to put it. Yes, you claim to say it had no bearing on Lee's current situation. But Bob...you are the one to bring his name up and making a statement of 2 athletes being done. Nice play on words.
You might have honestly wanted to help Lee at one point. But that no longer is the case. You are now doing solely what the IFBB tells you to do. No matter how you spin this, every post you've made clearly state this as fact.
Yes, there will be a meeting and a vote in Sept, but we know he could've been in before then. But there needs to be more remorse and begging from Lee's side. Till then...
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Is that the Meeting the Paying members of the IFBB get to Vote on President and Judges and the Pros Rep Job??The meeting at the Olympia where things get done. ::)
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It is surprising how well I understand. I read it exactly how you meant to put it. Yes, you claim to say it had no bearing on Lee's current situation. But Bob...you are the one to bring his name up and making a statement of 2 athletes being done. Nice play on words.
You might have honestly wanted to help Lee at one point. But that no longer is the case. You are now doing solely what the IFBB tells you to do. No matter how you spin this, every post you've made clearly state this as fact.
Yes, there will be a meeting and a vote in Sept, but we know he could've been in before then. But there needs to be more remorse and begging from Lee's side. Till then...
Remorse for Lee ::) The Guy leave the organization that he was part of, knowing very well the consequences of it. Before He leaves he insults officials, Judges and other Competitors that did not agree with him. After the other organization starts to fail he ask to be back. Bob tries to help him. He starts again insulting the organization that he wants to come back to. Some here in this site. He is warn to stop that such behavior is not helpful and just keep doing it. Forget the IFBB...in any, any other organization or work you don't have that many chances. Should we feel sorry for his COMPLETE lack of Minimum common sense
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It is surprising how well I understand. I read it exactly how you meant to put it. Yes, you claim to say it had no bearing on Lee's current situation. But Bob...you are the one to bring his name up and making a statement of 2 athletes being done. Nice play on words.
You might have honestly wanted to help Lee at one point. But that no longer is the case. You are now doing solely what the IFBB tells you to do. No matter how you spin this, every post you've made clearly state this as fact.
Yes, there will be a meeting and a vote in Sept, but we know he could've been in before then. But there needs to be more remorse and begging from Lee's side. Till then...
Amazing, you claim to now have read it again...and understand what was written...and you STILL don't get it!
The two athletes I referred to that FOLLOWED Lee, are Rodbey S. Cloud and Valentin Jabes...both who are out of the IFBB currently. There was no "play on words"...
Perhaps you should email Lee and ask him what position I have taken on his behalf...you're making an idiot of yourself the more you post...
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Amazing, you claim to now have read it again...and understand what was written...and you STILL don't get it!
Perhaps you should email Lee and ask him what position I have taken on his behalf...you're making an idiot of yourself the more you post...
Mmmm... and what is that position Bob? Telling Lee it's in his best interest not to show his frustration at once again being given the run around. Yes with each post you've made, it has become clear on which side you stand. And it is clearly not with Lee Priest.
Oh go ahead... bring it up that you have no obligation to do anything, that he no longer is a pro and that you are doing this out of the kindness of your heart... to date the only thing you've done is give voice to the IFBB and their stand on issues.
The idiot is you for believing your opinion matters. And that you are still believed for the shit you spew.
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they don't seem to have a problem deviating from other rules
It's their rules that made them the only show in town...from their perspective,why would they deviate from that?
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Ron,
I didn't see where in the rule book, competing in another org is listed as a "main" rule,
nor did I see the list of rules the IFBB doesn't really care to enforce.
It is very simple. No one is telling you where to compete. But if you choose to compete in the IFBB, then you are in the IFBB. Not another organization. I think this arguement has gone on for years. If you agree to compete in the IFBB, and you certainly have a choice not to, and then you decide to compete for another organization while with the IFBB, then you have violated the main rule. It is very simple. Like it or not, it is a clear rule. Don't like the rule. Don't compete there.
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Mmmm... and what is that position Bob? Telling Lee it's in his best interest not to show his frustration at once again being given the run around. Yes with each post you've made, it has become clear on which side you stand. And it is clearly not with Lee Priest.
Oh go ahead... bring it up that you have no obligation to do anything, that he no longer is a pro and that you are doing this out of the kindness of your heart... to date the only thing you've done is give voice to the IFBB and their stand on issues.
The idiot is you for believing your opinion matters. And that you are still believed for the shit you spew.
Well said........from a guy who goes by "I Luv Priest"....what a tool.
Either your in luv with Lee, or you're an alter boy...which is it?
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At what point are these folks going to realize , you represent all the pros in the IFBB, not just certain individual ones. Since it is the IFBB you also need to deal with those that run the actual organization.
As long as the IFBB is fair and reasonable , they need not do any special favors.
I suspect Lee knew he was pissing off the IFBB and figured he would have the last laugh with the PDI.
Even more funny is how the same guys that claim the PDI ws better ,never went to a PDI show or bought a ticket, but went to the Arnold or Olympia instead,hmmmmmm, ???
LOL...logic never enters most of these fools mionds, Howie...and aparently, no one is responsible for their own actions and decisions anymore. They show their true colors (and ages/ experience) by their mindset as to how the real world works....
there are a lot more cellar dwellers on these boards than we can imagine.
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lee kinda said FUCK to the ifbb... and now cries because they are not letting him back in... :-*
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One has to think....."why has it taken so many years for the IFBB as an organization to get even this far?"
maybe because it's a cult sport....
maybe there's other reasons not easily seen...I don't know.
I personally think it's because most bodybuilders are ego maniacs & won't pull together long enough to make things better for EVERYONE.