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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Howard on May 09, 2008, 09:03:44 AM
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
because the rewards are small and you have to sacrifice your health.
Sorry, but that's a pretty stupid question.
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who can afford it .....i mean without g4p,stealing ,drug dealing,lying,blowing trannys ,fucking friut,etc
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because the rewards are small and you have to sacrifice your health.
Sorry, but that's a pretty stupid question.
exactly
only the obsessed and those not concerned about their well-being and ability to have a family would go that route
other people would rather funnel that energy into actually creating a profitable career
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because the rewards are small and you have to sacrifice your health.
Sorry, but that's a pretty stupid question.
Yep, agreed 100%
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Then I challenge you to do it without drugs
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
I don't think anyone ever claimed it was all drugs. But Chick and others claim that it is just a minor part of the equation. However, in reality, without drugs, there is no "pro" bb'ing. So, drugs are a vital part of the equation, just not the only variable.
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I don't think anyone ever claimed it was all drugs. But Chick and others claim that it is just a minor part of the equation. However, in reality, without drugs, there is no "pro" bb'ing. So, drugs are a vital part of the equation, just not the only variable.
agreed----the variable is how you react to drugs so genetics play a part-----but without drugs...you have no hope
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Easier , find a natural guy w/ the best genetic ever ,I bet , with hard work ,diet and whey protein ,he will be an IFBB PRO in no time ::)
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Let me outline it for you.
If you have good structure and a willingness to train with weights regularly and use a lot of drugs and hormones, and then find your genetics respond very favourably to those enhancers, you keep training and begin to compete. If you have the genetic physical characteristics of a championship bodybuilder, you will start to win or place well in said shows. At this point you can decide to go for it and increase and expand your drug and hormone usage in hopes of climbing to the higher levels, or decide you value your health and a life of reasonable longevity and call it an experience.
Providing you have the genetics (the several "varieties" required) and a willingess to bust a sweat several times each week (don't have to be some freak intensity machine or even know much about training beyond the basics), success is indeed mostly about the drugs and hormones.
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Sweet Jesus, Howard. Are you a guy!? You are always sounding off like an agony aunt or, for the older posters, Gladys Kravitz!
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Response to AAS is the most important factor. I don't care what anyone else says.
They don't train any harder than the average dedicated guy who busts his ass and gives his all. Muscle failure is muscle failure. They don't unlock some secret level of intensity unavailable to other guys. They don't do some secret combination of special exercises.
They do the same exercises as everyone else and have a far, far superior response to the drugs.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
PM me and we can talk paypal me some money also for the drugs ill give you before and after pics and give me a year ill step on stage just for you.
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Even with all 'drugs' in the world I wouldn't make an impact onstage.
You have it or you don't.
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First off, it's not "all drugs", but "all genetic response to drugs".
Secondly, it isn't that getbiggers are all so full of hate and insecurity that we continue to say negative things about bodybuilders and the bodybuilding lifestyle. Have you ever considered that after years of observation, some of us have rationally come to the conclusion that bodybuilders [as a collective] are indeed not the smartest, most health conscious, most successful group out there, and as a result some of us truly do feel sorry for them?
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No amount of Drugs can make a Poodle became a Pitbull. It's no genetic altering Drug. You can make the Poodle bigger. This site is FULL of Poodles that love to believe they can be a Pitbull.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
If you are very young and it is a dream you have a likelihood of reaching, and you don't wreck your health...go for it.
If you are 30 or older...I'd say you'd lose too much valuable time...and you'd likely end up being a broken man some years up the road, and in many ways.
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Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
they dont take enough drugs. :D
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Compare the pros of the 50’s 60s and 70s with the pros of today. What has radically changed? Diet? No. Training? No. Discipline? No. Exercise machines? No.
Amount and kind of drugs? Yes.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Pretty dumb statement. I don't anyone with half a brain thinks that taking drugs ONLY will give you muscle or a physique. It is the drugs combined with the training that does it. Don't think so, then do this. Take a two guys similar in size (or even not) have them both train and eat exactly alike. Give one steroids and the other one nothing. See who gets the gains faster and bigger. Hope this helps you. ::)
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Pretty dumb statement. I don't anyone with half a brain thinks that taking drugs ONLY will give you muscle or a physique. It is the drugs combined with the training that does it. Don't think so, then do this. Take a two guys similar in size (or even not) have them both train and eat exactly alike. Give one steroids and the other one nothing. See who gets the gains faster and bigger. Hope this helps you. ::)
but what happnes if the guy who doesnt take steorid takes muscletech! :D
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Another Howard, if drugs don't do much then why isn't the Mr. Olympia 100% drug free. If they don't do much then why take them at all.
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Good pts here, good post. My point is that by just taking drugs , doesn't guarentee you will grow the kind of muscle and cuts that will win contests. I have known of too many guys that took a boatlod of drugs , didn't respond well and didn't look that impressive. Obviously drug use ups the anty of size and freaky cuts, no question. Once again, only a few have all the right factors to make it into the pro ranks.
I sincerely belive I had above avg genetics, but didn't want to do "what it takes" and opted to keep bodybuilding as a hobby. I am happy with my life, but was never pro material.
shut the fuck up dude...
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Pretty dumb statement. I don't anyone with half a brain thinks that taking drugs ONLY will give you muscle or a physique. It is the drugs combined with the training that does it. Don't think so, then do this. Take a two guys similar in size (or even not) have them both train and eat exactly alike. Give one steroids and the other one nothing. See who gets the gains faster and bigger. Hope this helps you. ::)
If both don't have favorable Genetic make up for BB. (small joints, Wide structure,symmetry etc) ....one will look bigger, but both would still look like shit.
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I agree with Howard.There are MANY people who take TONS of drugs who will not even qualify for nationals.These guys in the IFBB are genetic mutants.Now,the genetics may be the ability to grow off drugs better then anyone else,but if it was JUST drugs,there would be a lot more pro bodybuilders out there.Also,take a look at some of these guys training.Its really nothing special.What makes them special is their genetic gifts to grow.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
"all drugs" is just for a goof....it's funny but you can't generalize pro bb into just drug use. Although the reality is, there isn't a single, current pro bb that attained their pro status without drugs.....plain and simple. Yeah, training, diet, genetics....yada yada yada...all that played a part. Still, without the drug catalyst there would be no pro bbs.
Now, Bob Chick would answer in the following way, "Pro BB would exist without drugs....they'd just be natural bbs, but who's gonna pay money to see a bunch of natural bbs.....the interest is in the freaks."
Translation: The current state and interest in pro bb exists because of drug regimens of the competitors.
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"all drugs" is just for a goof....it's funny but you can't generalize pro bb into just drug use. Although the reality is, there isn't a single, current pro bb that attained their pro status without drugs.....plain and simple. Yeah, training, diet, genetics....yada yada yada...all that played a part. Still, without the drug catalyst there would be no pro bbs.
Now, Bob Chick would answer in the following way, "Pro BB would exist without drugs....they'd just be natural bbs, but who's gonna pay money to see a bunch of natural bbs.....the interest is in the freaks."
Translation: The current state and interest in pro bb exists because of drug regimens of the competitors.
What you be of MLB without GH and Drugs..... ;) The public just what to see the freaks that hit the homeruns....I am sure that the Dramatic increase in size of the NFL is all base in better training and Nutrition too. ::) ......
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I am sure that everyone thinks they can play in the MLB or NFL....if they just have the Drugs....Again you can make a Poodle became a Pitbull....but Poodles love to believe that they can do it.....they just need the right dog food ::)
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lots of kids in their 20s use drugs for fun. they feel invincible, and it makes them feel good.
I don't see a huge diff between the guy who is juiced to the gills to compete in the local Mr Podunk, vs the guy who does 3 lines of coke every weekend or the kid who smokes pot to unwind ater work each night.
They all take legal and health risks because to them, the benefits (feeling good or looking good) outweighs the longterm risks.
So it's not a huge deal. Enforcing steroid laws while you can walk into any bar in america and find kids doing coke or X at the sink seems kinda odd.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Because 90% of the "posters" here are haters... If they don't like drugs or bbing (don't come with the golden era crap because they were also on massive amount of drugs) why the hell are they wasting their time posting here? And I'll tell you more, if bbers weren't on drugs and not so big, this forum would heve half of the "posters", and those who would leave are those that say "ALL DRUGS"
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I agree with Howard.There are MANY people who take TONS of drugs who will not even qualify for nationals.These guys in the IFBB are genetic mutants.Now,the genetics may be the ability to grow off drugs better then anyone else,but if it was JUST drugs,there would be a lot more pro bodybuilders out there.Also,take a look at some of these guys training.Its really nothing special.What makes them special is their genetic gifts to grow.
That pretty much sums it up
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People on Getbig seriously know nothing of bodybuilding and what the pros use and do.
Nothing. I find the ignorance quite staggering. Yes, much of it is genetics and response to the drugs, of course. However, very few have the determination and discipline to not miss a workout for pretty near 20 years. To squat until you're sick. To do cardio for an hour when you're sick, hungry, tired and totally depleted.
You people don't have a fucking clue
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"all drugs" is just for a goof....it's funny but you can't generalize pro bb into just drug use. Although the reality is, there isn't a single, current pro bb that attained their pro status without drugs.....plain and simple. Yeah, training, diet, genetics....yada yada yada...all that played a part. Still, without the drug catalyst there would be no pro bbs.
Now, Bob Chick would answer in the following way, "Pro BB would exist without drugs....they'd just be natural bbs, but who's gonna pay money to see a bunch of natural bbs.....the interest is in the freaks."
Translation: The current state and interest in pro bb exists because of drug regimens of the competitors.
This is a good argument. The conclusion is that while bodybuilding is not "all drugs" it is in fact drug dependent at least as far as sheer size is concerned. Something to consider is how often does a person who has very small joints and structure, something conducive to optimal shape, able to build he kind of size naturally to even compete naturally. I would argue that it is fairly irregular to meet such an individual.
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People on Getbig seriously know nothing of bodybuilding and what the pros use and do.
Nothing. I find the ignorance quite staggering. Yes, much of it is genetics and response to the drugs, of course. However, very few have the determination and discipline to not miss a workout for pretty near 20 years. To squat until you're sick. To do cardio for an hour when you're sick, hungry, tired and totally depleted.
You people don't have a fucking clue
The majority of a great physique is : genetics, diet , hard training, etc.
The drugs simply up the level of all the genetic freaks. I have been in/around bodybuilding for over 30 yras now.
I have seen countless men and woman waste all kinds of $$ of latest drug or potion and end up never winning any contest. I have been gulty of spending a lot of my hard earned $$ on gimmick supplements over the years.
Now, I buy my whey pro and other stuff at Wal-mart via Body Fortress brand.
The fintess indistry thrives on the idea that some trainer , product or drug will be the magic routine or pill.
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I have to disagree with Sharma.If you watch any bodybuilding DVDs[and you would assume that because they are selling it,they are training even harder then normal],its plain that these guys train no harder then most serious guys in the gym.Sorry,thats the truth.Jay Cutler is the current MR.OLYMPIA,his DVDs are not very intense,not very heavy,not very impressive,however,look at the guy,A FREAK.
I think there are many guys who train super hard,never miss meals etc. etc. who just don't have the gifts these guys do.Yes,the pro bodybuilders are determined and train hard,but I used to train in a gym with Renel Janvier and,sorry,the guy didn't train that hard.He was strong,but he grew no matter what he did.
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I have to disagree with Sharma.If you watch any bodybuilding DVDs[and you would assume that because they are selling it,they are training even harder then normal],its plain that these guys train no harder then most serious guys in the gym.Sorry,thats the truth.Jay Cutler is the current MR.OLYMPIA,his DVDs are not very intense,not very heavy,not very impressive,however,look at the guy,A FREAK.
I think there are many guys who train super hard,never miss meals etc. etc. who just don't have the gifts these guys do.Yes,the pro bodybuilders are determined and train hard,but I used to train in a gym with Renel Janvier and,sorry,the guy didn't train that hard.He was strong,but he grew no matter what he did.
umm I remember a quote from Shawn Perine about natural BBing and how its questioned as being not "hardcore" like juiced up BBing
he talks about living like monk; never missing meals, training super hard etc.....
it was a great piece of writing and really made some great points
anyone have that quote??---I remember Adonis posted it before
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umm I remember a quote from Shawn Perine about natural BBing and how its questioned as being not "hardcore" like juiced up BBing
he talks about living like monk; never missing meals, training super hard etc.....
it was a great piece of writing and really made some great points
anyone have that quote??---I remember Adonis posted it before
The thread is here:
http://www.ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?topic=288.0
Awesome thread! Shawn is a very sharp guy.
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because the rewards are small and you have to sacrifice your health.
Sorry, but that's a pretty stupid question.
truth.
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People on Getbig seriously know nothing of bodybuilding and what the pros use and do.
Nothing. I find the ignorance quite staggering. Yes, much of it is genetics and response to the drugs, of course. However, very few have the determination and discipline to not miss a workout for pretty near 20 years. To squat until you're sick. To do cardio for an hour when you're sick, hungry, tired and totally depleted.
You people don't have a fucking clue
Very disrespectful. And it is YOU who doesn't have a clue. There are many, many nobody trainers who lift 10 times as hard as pro bodybuilders and with extreme regularity. True, some folks online are just sad saps who talk big but do little. However, we're not all like that.
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People on Getbig seriously know nothing of bodybuilding and what the pros use and do.
Nothing. I find the ignorance quite staggering. Yes, much of it is genetics and response to the drugs, of course. However, very few have the determination and discipline to not miss a workout for pretty near 20 years. To squat until you're sick. To do cardio for an hour when you're sick, hungry, tired and totally depleted.
You people don't have a fucking clue
Don't waste time with this attention whore. He just likes to be obnoxious without a clue as to what he's even talking about. He is after all muslim ;)
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
stop acting like a fool friend,,
it is obviousl you need very good respond to hormones and overall development of every part of the physiqe,,you need symetry too for npc,,
nevertheless...almost any guy that has the money to put into the dealer hands,,has the time to train and motivation and dedication to compete nationals can do it with ZERO PROBLEM
infact,,if you get into bodybuilding in the right age 14-18 and start working it in the gym from this age like many black fellas such as heath that although didnt do bodybuilding from age 17 WERE in the gym,,,if you take those fellas and put them on human grade and give them enough money to live with (and almost every bodybuilder comes from stable financial backround since the time to train and sleep is unlimited because most bodybuilders play around with jobs if work at all...),,they will most likley become professionals by age 32,,ofcourse they need to compete and nto do it for the girls like most bodybuilders now days,,some bodybuilders simply afraid to compete and never think they are good enough although they are!
in any case being a bodybuilder now days needs a good job or no job,,you have more chances to get anywhere if you are a local cop on simple shift pulling for traffic stops and on the side have a supp store ....basically the less job you have ,,preferably no job ...the more chances you will have to do well in advanced bodybuilding as of 2008
many girls ,,hot girls ,,young girls,,learn to live with it and support their bodybuilder or in other words help tremendesly,,some guys just work easy jobs,,and some guys are simply rich from rich famuilies and do everything on credit cards
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No amount of Drugs can make a Poodle became a Pitbull. It's no genetic altering Drug. You can make the Poodle bigger. This site is FULL of Poodles that love to believe they can be a Pitbull.
wrong! take one look at palumbo which is not a professional but was a poodle and got back to be a poodle but inbetween was a damn pitball ONLY FROM THE USE OF DRUGS AND RESPOND TO DRUGS
take levrone when on hormones and he is a pitball off hormones he is sure a nice charming poodle
take the murderer in his high school 142lb skinny self ..and years later when he became a drug dealer
take any one of the kid today ...take that kid tray? he is walking 300lb of fat right? he got 200-220lb of muscle there...but when he started inthe highschool football picture he looked like the dognut chubb chubb you see in school every day in america that goes to the ymca after school and chase the big boys inorder to learn how to be a big boy.....VIA DRUGS
a poodle can defenitely become pitball,,especially with gh insulin and t3 in addition to aas,,the gh and insulin can change you to a pitball for ever too! see the giant greg k he aint no muscle no more but the bones are big foot bones!
we are all humans 99% of us built exactly the same with minimal differences,,,a human is 75% water,,look at a bodybuilder past his competetive days especially the 2000s ones,,,all shrink into new shrinkage,,,
if you guys have ANY DOUBT YOU CAN BECOME A PROFESSIONAL WITH OUT THE USE OF DURETICS YOU ARE IN PLANET LALA LAND,,im saying duretics because some people think you can do it with aas only...
you live in dream ,,,you think only professionals use hormones while any npc competitor is on hormones,,,the diff is professional respond phenominally to them and majority KNOW their body better and the products better like a good doctore that been in business 20+ years
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GH15 is spot on again here is a better Point- If it's not all Drugs how the Fuk do some of these Pros look like Children when off the Gear????FFS Grow a brain just tell me Prince and Lavrone look to have held any of what they were when Loaded.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmm.Simple they look like SHIT without DRUGS. ::)
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
It is drugs + consistency + genetics
End of story.
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Competing by todays standard for me sounds outlandish, unattainable, impossible, and downright insane...No way i could do what these guys do in both amateur and professional...The dieting alone, no water, no salt would be enough to drive me insane...
So you made a good point...Its not all drugs, because there is a lot of pain these guys go through...My hats off to you men and women that risk it all to place well and hopefully make a living off this sport...
Sometimes i get disgusted with the sport, and sometimes I love it...Love, hate relationship i guess....
I think what i love the most is the hard work these guys put into what they do....Its not easy being cheesy...
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It is drugs + consistency + genetics
End of story.
im very sorry to tell you this friend,,but when it comes to size of the bodybuiulder IT IS ALL DRUGS
i suggest you do a thread or even on this thread put the pictures of ....deilet,,mataraza,,dorian,,kevin,,arnold,,thomas prince,,ken wheeler,,chris ,,goonter :) ,,melvin good lord melvin look like 14 year old with out drugs sinc he has no more test in the balls,,even ron colmean as you can see now look a shadow of his former self with lowering dose and he is the best to ever do bodybuilding,,
put pic of them on and off and you will see that its all drugs when it comes to size and bodybuilding with condition
you must once and for all understand that the reason jason look big still or anyone else for that matter is because THEY NEVER GO OFF THE HORMONES,,so getny can come here from morning to evening to tell you he is 260lb at 7% and in reality he is addicted to hormones either in the pill form ..in the vial form ...or in his supp company form..
its about time that bodybuilding will be seen for what it is! this will make us les of a liar and more accepted ,,,it is still hard to build very good physiqe even on hormones but it takes the liar! out of the equation,,
first thing you learn in america when you enter its borders is : AMERICANS HATE LIARS,,you lie once in america you are done,,you lie twice? you will wish to be living in a diff continent
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You're absolutely right Howard, how could we ever think that you go from this (on drugs) to this (off)
(http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Tom_Prince/021.jpg)(http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/34112/2002049647953717118_fs.jpg)
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Here's another classic example of the difference juice makes ...
(http://www.titusandryan.com/wp-images/compare.jpg)
(http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/2005-ironman-pro-craig-titus.jpg)
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
because only a certain amount can turn pro ech year also. thats why so many more dont do it ::)
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Are you stupid or something?
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No amount of Drugs can make a Poodle became a Pitbull. It's no genetic altering Drug. You can make the Poodle bigger. This site is FULL of Poodles that love to believe they can be a Pitbull.
Please give it a rest to the dogs comparison all ready!
Just look before and after pics of Dexter Jackson!!
This site is full of delusional blue stars "juiced Pitbulls" and youre one of them.
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exactly
only the obsessed and those not concerned about their well-being and ability to have a family would go that route
other people would rather funnel that energy into actually creating a profitable career
I'd rather juice to look good, and I think that holds true for most.
Competing for a plastic trophy and not even breaking even is pretty stupid.
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If both don't have favorable Genetic make up for BB. (small joints, Wide structure,symmetry etc) ....one will look bigger, but both would still look like shit.
Is always good to think that does who don't take drugs will always look like shit even if they ever do......
Keep sleeping from that side of the bed.
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What you be of MLB without GH and Drugs..... ;) The public just what to see the freaks that hit the homeruns....I am sure that the Dramatic increase in size of the NFL is all base in better training and Nutrition too. ::) ......
Wait a minute bodybuilder amigo, Don't put yourself in the same boat as those pro ball players who hit homeruns on drugs ..yes they get stronger and faster but they still need to see the ball at 90 plus mph and hit them to the right direcction for that you need talent so is not just all drugs.
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Most people look like a different person when they stop juicing.
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I agree with Howard.There are MANY people who take TONS of drugs who will not even qualify for nationals.These guys in the IFBB are genetic mutants.Now,the genetics may be the ability to grow off drugs better then anyone else,but if it was JUST drugs,there would be a lot more pro bodybuilders out there.Also,take a look at some of these guys training.Its really nothing special.What makes them special is their genetic gifts to grow.
Take the 25 most genetically gifted bb from 1978 and take the 25 most genetically gifted of 2008.
If theres a difference besides the "DRUGARATHON EXTRAVAGANZA" ,
Im all ears.
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Here's one or a few for you...
Tamali
Kovacs
Palumbo
Yes, drugs can make anyone a pro...well...almost ;D
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lots of kids in their 20s use drugs for fun. they feel invincible, and it makes them feel good.
I don't see a huge diff between the guy who is juiced to the gills to compete in the local Mr Podunk, vs the guy who does 3 lines of coke every weekend or the kid who smokes pot to unwind ater work each night.
They all take legal and health risks because to them, the benefits (feeling good or looking good) outweighs the longterm risks.
So it's not a huge deal. Enforcing steroid laws while you can walk into any bar in america and find kids doing coke or X at the sink seems kinda odd.
Time to start Frequenting different venues ......if you really want to see the difference.
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lots of kids in their 20s use drugs for fun. they feel invincible, and it makes them feel good.
I don't see a huge diff between the guy who is juiced to the gills to compete in the local Mr Podunk, vs the guy who does 3 lines of coke every weekend or the kid who smokes pot to unwind ater work each night.
They all take legal and health risks because to them, the benefits (feeling good or looking good) outweighs the longterm risks.
So it's not a huge deal. Enforcing steroid laws while you can walk into any bar in america and find kids doing coke or X at the sink seems kinda odd.
So scary and so true...illegal is illegal point blank. Anyone passing judgement on another law breaker to satisfy or justify thier own craving addiction is pure hipocrisy! It's all the same shit in the end...All bullshit!
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No amount of Drugs can make a Poodle became a Pitbull. It's no genetic altering Drug. You can make the Poodle bigger. This site is FULL of Poodles that love to believe they can be a Pitbull.
You're a Milos client right? According to him you can do ANYTHING! Accept no limitations! :D
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Since some of you claim that being a pro is "all drugs",see if you can do this.
Get on a massive drug cycle, compete and win an NPC national qualifier. Then go to an NPC national level pro qualifier, win and turn pro. Compete as a pro, qualify and then win the Olympia, etc.
Hmmm, if it really is "all drugs" how come more guys don't just do what I outlined?
Put money up for the cycle"s" & I'll do it for you
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