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Many soldiers missing out on Bush’s stimulus checks
In August 2006 the 10th Mountain Division, 2nd BCT, 1-89 Cavalry was sent to Iraq for 12 months. In April 2007, the troops were told the Army was adding three additional months to their time in country.
In November 2007 the troopers of 1-89 arrived back in New York from their tour. They are now being told by the IRS, via the IRS Web site, that they haven’t earned enough money to qualify for the economic stimulus check
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This really shouldn't suprise anyone.
Isn't Bush still threatening to veto the revision of the GI Bill that would increase the $$$ for education for vets. I believe Grandpa McCain is in league with Bush on this while Clinton and Obama support the bill.
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Hey I missed out on the stimulus. Even though I live in So Cal where 200K a year makes you a poor m-f'er. Regardless, I do not criticize the administration because it is better the SOMEBODY pays less taxes, because a lower tax rate benefits EVERYBODY, because economic activity increases. Ask yourselves who would get a stimulus check if "B. Hussein Obama" gets elected. Answer ALMOST EVERYBODY (so long as "stimulus" is defined as "tax increase").
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Hey I missed out on the stimulus. Even though I live in So Cal where 200K a year makes you a poor m-f'er. Regardless, I do not criticize the administration because it is better the SOMEBODY pays less taxes, because a lower tax rate benefits EVERYBODY, because economic activity increases. Ask yourselves who would get a stimulus check if "B. Hussein Obama" gets elected. Answer ALMOST EVERYBODY (so long as "stimulus" is defined as "tax increase").
Don't go trying to inject common sense in this whole tax thing. :)
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Don't go trying to inject common sense in this whole tax thing. :)
So sorry, I forgot to leave my Common Sense at the door when talking to Libs!
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Hey NT, before you jump to conclusions, military don't have to pay taxes and generally periodically receive pay increases depending on where they are at PLUS vertually everything is paid for (exept entetainment).
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i agree, prosperity has dramatically increased across america with bush's tax cuts. look around, everything's peachy !
NT
Yeah Dumbass, TAX CUTS caused the economic downturn, not the mortgage crisis, not oil prices. Do me a favor, get your high school diploma, then we'll talk (i.e., its adult time, go watch "Rock the Vote" or something).
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Hey NT, before you jump to conclusions, military don't have to pay taxes and generally periodically receive pay increases depending on where they are at PLUS vertually everything is paid for (exept entetainment).
plus, 100% of them love the war.
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....And that's why a lot are re-enlisting!!
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....And that's why a lot are re-enlisting!!
because they didn't get their stimulus check :-[ wow... that's fucked up.
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....And that's why a lot are re-enlisting!!
do you have re-enlistment stats comparing 1999 with 2007?
Cause the top generals say we have lowered standards to meet numbers, meaning LESS kids want to join and re-join.
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joeloco, you're so full of shit. post facts....not SPIN.
Army is worn too thin, says general
Calls force not ready to meet new threats
September 27, 2007
WASHINGTON - The Army's top officer, General George Casey, told Congress yesterday that his branch of the military has been stretched so thin by the war in Iraq that it can not adequately respond to another conflict - one of the strongest warnings yet from a military leader that repeated deployments to war zones in the Middle East have hamstrung the military's ability to deter future aggression.
In his first appearance as Army chief of staff, Casey told the House Armed Services Committee that the Army is "out of balance" and "the current demand for our forces exceeds the sustainable supply.
NT
Hmmm. Joes turn to post his facts....waiting.
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In his first appearance as Army chief of staff, Casey told the House Armed Services Committee that the Army is "out of balance" and "the current demand for our forces exceeds the sustainable supply.
Joe,
Is the Army Chief-of-Staff a liar?
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Joe,
Is the Army Chief-of-Staff a liar?
Nope, he is being a good Chief of Staff making the case for increased appropriations.
Read between the lines, not just what you want to read!
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Nope, he is being a good Chief of Staff making the case for increased appropriations.
Read between the lines, not just what you want to read!
Wait a second - so all the military people who have said we don't have enough troops and that standards have been lowered - suddenly they're all lying so they can get more money?
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Wait a second - so all the military people who have said we don't have enough troops and that standards have been lowered - suddenly they're all lying so they can get more money?
I don't remember saying "Lying" that is your ad hominem, hang up, whatever you want to call it. I said what is obvious and what everyone knows about how things work. Get out of your Ivory Tower.
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Unfiltered Opinion? Definitely Unfiltered something....
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what i find hillarious is how the liberals and anti war guys on this board condem these generals and label them as liars when they say things are improving but these are the same guys you point to and believe when things like this come out??? Ironic huh???
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what i find hillarious is how the liberals and anti war guys on this board condem these generals and label them as liars when they say things are improving but these are the same guys you point to and believe when things like this come out??? Ironic huh???
Please don't confuse the poor Libs, right now most of them are running to their dictionaries to find out what "Ironic" means.
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what i find hillarious is how the liberals and anti war guys on this board condem these generals and label them as liars when they say things are improving but these are the same guys you point to and believe when things like this come out??? Ironic huh???
Yep. Truth.
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Yep. Truth.
Hey, BB they are already confused by "Ironic" are you going to throw "Truth" on top of the intellectual heap the Libs are struggling under?
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Hey, BB they are already confused by "Ironic" are you going to throw "Truth" on top of the intellectual heap the Libs are struggling under?
No comment. :) Glad to see you and tony posting here.
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Don't go trying to inject common sense in this whole tax thing. :)
No, sir - you're both WAY wrong.
The cost of gasoline is the 'poor tax' and it affects almost everyone in this country.
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Yeah Dumbass, TAX CUTS caused the economic downturn, not the mortgage crisis, not oil prices. Do me a favor, get your high school diploma, then we'll talk (i.e., its adult time, go watch "Rock the Vote" or something).
What are you talking about? There was no 'tax cut'.
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Bush didn't tax us during the good times (2001 911 recovery and the economic upswing that came with the 2003 iraq war rampup and start)
This was a big mistake, and economists pointed it out at the time. You ALWAYS tax during good times so you can cut taxes and rates during the bad times. Even Mccain disagreed with Bush on it, quite famously.
Now, war is winding down and recession is arriving - there is no piggy bank (we all got our refunds those years, remember?) and there are no rates to cut.
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What are you talking about? There was no 'tax cut'.
Im waiting for an explanation to this also. Midnitebimbo......info???
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Bush didn't tax us during the good times (2001 911 recovery and the economic upswing that came with the 2003 iraq war rampup and start)
This was a big mistake, and economists pointed it out at the time. You ALWAYS tax during good times so you can cut taxes and rates during the bad times. Even Mccain disagreed with Bush on it, quite famously.
Now, war is winding down and recession is arriving - there is no piggy bank (we all got our refunds those years, remember?) and there are no rates to cut.
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Tax during the good times. Didn't we fight a revolution over such a thing? Yes.
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Im waiting for an explanation to this also. Midnitebimbo......info???
I can't explain all meaningless ramblings from other posters. My accountant seems to think there was a tax cut, we considered how to invest it.
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I can't explain all meaningless ramblings from other posters. My accountant seems to think there was a tax cut, we considered how to invest it.
i pay my accountant well for tax cuts also. This has nothing to do with your statements. try again.
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i pay my accountant well for tax cuts also. This has nothing to do with your statements. try again.
I didn't pay my accountant for "tax cuts." I paid him to prepare my returns. Based on empirical evidence, we agreed that I was taxed at a lower effective rate than under William Jefferson Clinton. I don't need to "try again" you need to learn how to read.
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They're only giving their lives for their country and people like you - you're right screw them.
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I didn't pay my accountant for "tax cuts." I paid him to prepare my returns. Based on empirical evidence, we agreed that I was taxed at a lower effective rate than under William Jefferson Clinton. I don't need to "try again" you need to learn how to read.
Your a great american......fvck the country, its all about me.....nice.
What was so hellish during the clinton years for you? I was paying alot less for food,gas and houses back then....I guess youre an anomaly. ::)
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Your a great american......fvck the country, its all about me.....nice.
What was so hellish during the clinton years for you? I was paying alot less for food,gas and houses back then....I guess youre an anomaly. ::)
Nope. I responded to a specific argument "what tax cut?" There was a tax cut, I received it, I invested it, some little Blue Haired Old Lady's 401K fund did better because of it.
And by the way, Bill Clinton had nothing to do with gas being cheaper. What did Clinton do to reign in Opec, what was the program, bill, legislation etc. I would be fascinated by your answer, because the truth is the Clinton Administration, under the control of tree huggers likre Algore, made sure we could not develop domestic supplies and set the stage for the gas prices of today.
What a retarded argument. You really should be embarassed of yourself.
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Tax during the good times. Didn't we fight a revolution over such a thing? Yes.
Come on dude. Please tell me you're joking, and not that unaware of econimic history.
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This is why rich Whites love not-so-bright Whites.
Just because you didn't pay the IRS directly doesn't mean that you're not being 'taxed'.
At the end of the day, people are paying a greater proportion of their income to live in the U.S. now than they did in 2002.
The self-avowed 'conservatives' always use the line, "We want Americans to keep more of what they earn", yet there is a 7-year track record that doesn't suggest otherwise...it PROVES otherwise.
BTW, 240 is wrong in suggesting that any tax increases (now or 3-4 years ago) would be or would have been beneficial.
What has to happen is that Americans need to wake up and realize that we're all paying WAY too much to keep our federal government in business.
Did you know that there's a federal workers union with over 600,000 members?? WTF??
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BTW, 240 is wrong in suggesting that any tax increases (now or 3-4 years ago) would be or would have been beneficial.
Then a lot of economists and every other pres who raised taxes during prosperity before, they must be all wrong too.
The idea that we could have funded this war thru taxes (and therefore not gained 5 tril in debt to china today) must be nuts too.
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Hey I missed out on the stimulus. Even though I live in So Cal where 200K a year makes you a poor m-f'er. Regardless, I do not criticize the administration because it is better the SOMEBODY pays less taxes, because a lower tax rate benefits EVERYBODY, because economic activity increases. Ask yourselves who would get a stimulus check if "B. Hussein Obama" gets elected. Answer ALMOST EVERYBODY (so long as "stimulus" is defined as "tax increase").
Tax cuts are a net loss to the government.
By that, I mean a tax cut does not pay for itself with an increase in attendant economic activity.
It doesn't work that way.
There's no such thing as 'free lunch' and your tax analysis is screaming "free sandwiches for almost everyone!"
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What would u rather get 6oo bucks or the 3 FUCKING GRAND they got for 3 months they were extended. The CTAF guys from Italy, currently in Afghanistan, just started getting their extra 1 grand per month...TAX free. Moral is through the roof. Once again Libs have no fucking idea what the hell they are talking about.
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Once again Libs have no fucking idea what the hell they are talking about.
Huh?
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i'm a conservative republican (who despises bush) and have no idea what you're talking about. i know for a fact that moral sucks on the front lines. (i've spoken with many troops) why do you think the highest percentage of new recruits in military history have criminal records ? the military is dumbing down our troops in a desperate attempt to get "bodies" into the War Zones.
NT
Also the Suicide rate is high.
And when they get home Theyre thrown around like an old dog getting in the way.....But hey, they asked for it so im all for it from now on.
If they're stupid enough to die for bush and a pointless war...be my guest. Its the families who will suffer.
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Yeah ur a Con ::)...what troops have u talked to. They're at war, they're doing their best. They're not dying for Bush, its their job to go, u don't get to pick how and when u serve. This conversation is worthless....ur hate of Bush has completely clouded any rational discussion.
I know for a fact...what fucking facts. What troops do u interact with on a daily basis. We have record re-enlistments. What has the enlistment rates got to do with anything....Every country throughout history has done this.
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Yeah ur a Con ::)...what troops have u talked to. They're at war, they're doing their best. They're not dying for Bush, its their job to go, u don't get to pick how and when u serve. This conversation is worthless....ur hate of Bush has completely clouded any rational discussion.
I know for a fact...what fucking facts. What troops do u interact with on a daily basis. We have record re-enlistments. What has the enlistment rates got to do with anything....Every country throughout history has done this.
Shut your mouth, grunt. You work for me and do as i say. You want to keep taking my money then you get your ass back to Iraq and throw yourself on a bomb. Thats what we pay you for.
Any facts to back up your happy story of re-inlistment at a high?? Seems we're scraping the bottom of the barrel just feeding and clothing you every month.
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HH6 - I know you're a Bush-GOP-military apologist, but you're *really* off-base this time.
The declining quality in the recruiting classes speaks volumes, even if you're attempting to plug your ears to the truth.
A decade from now, we'll learn just how many Latin Kings got their explosives training courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers.
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HH6 - I know you're a Bush-GOP-military apologist, but you're *really* off-base this time.
The declining quality in the recruiting classes speaks volumes, even if you're attempting to plug your ears to the truth.
A decade from now, we'll learn just how many Latin Kings got their explosives training courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers.
Not necessarily Tre. I haven't seen the recruiting numbers, which I imagine would decline during any prolonged conflict, but anecdotally I know a lot of service members who are staying in, collecting their bonus money, etc. I'm around military members and their families every week. They're doing fine for the most part.
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Not necessarily Tre. I haven't seen the recruiting numbers, which I imagine would decline during any prolonged conflict, but anecdotally I know a lot of service members who are staying in, collecting their bonus money, etc. I'm around military members and their families every week. They're doing fine for the most part.
I just can't see it that way.
Do I know some military families who are doing ok? Yes. For many, wartime deployments are not all that different from peacetime deployments.
I'm deeply concerned about where many of the current recruits are coming from, though.
Now, I'm in no way saying that people should be denied an opportunity to better themselves through military life and training, but our military needs to be doing a better job in selecting RECRUITERS who are of high moral fiber. I don't put the blame on the recruit who comes in with other-than-honorable intentions...the blame is on the recruiters who push them along.
It's a grey area, but oftentimes, the tale is right there in black and white if anyone will take the time to care.
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I just can't see it that way.
Do I know some military families who are doing ok? Yes. For many, wartime deployments are not all that different from peacetime deployments.
I'm deeply concerned about where many of the current recruits are coming from, though.
Now, I'm in no way saying that people should be denied an opportunity to better themselves through military life and training, but our military needs to be doing a better job in selecting RECRUITERS who are of high moral fiber. I don't put the blame on the recruit who comes in with other-than-honorable intentions...the blame is on the recruiters who push them along.
It's a grey area, but oftentimes, the tale is right there in black and white if anyone will take the time to care.
Well if you're saying recruiters are, on balance, congenital liars, I agree. :)
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BB,
You have never served, yet you talk nonstop about all your military friends, and claim to know how they really feel about everything.
You're kind of a military groupee, huh? Why didn't you ever serve, if you love it so much?