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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Hugo Chavez on May 13, 2008, 06:21:30 AM
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This is made with extremely strong rare earth magnets. I was working on a model very similar to this a little over a year ago. I needed a magnetic barrier to block part of the field and ordered it. got it in and haven't got around to finishing it. Now that I see it works like a gem, I'll probably start this project back up. You could easily power your house and more with this thing and here's the cool part, the magnets don't cost that much and will lose less than 1% of their strength in 10 years. This motor will run your lifetime. I also couldn't figure out a good way of stoping mine once it started and found a couple really cool ways to do that thanks to finding these videos.
Here's to the power company!
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Very interesting.
Shame about the choice of music, I wouldn't have picked lethargic heavy metal to try and sell and energy product.
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Very interesting.
Shame about the choice of music, I wouldn't have picked lethargic heavy metal to try and sell and energy product.
yea, it's really pretty cool. you want to make it stronger you just add another magnet wheel on the shaft. You could engage them all or set it up for one at a time. And I kid you not, these have some serious power. It's not that loud so you could hook this up to a generator and not piss off the neighbors. This would easily pay for itself in a few months and run for life. Just lube on scedule and forget about it. Getting the spacing right on the magnets is the trickest part but with a little play this isn't hard to build. gotta be careful with the magnets, they will fuck you up bad. these suckers are insanly strong.
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yea, it's really pretty cool. you want to make it stronger you just add another magnet wheel on the shaft. You could engage them all or set it up for one at a time. And I kid you not, these have some serious power. It's not that loud so you could hook this up to a generator and not piss off the neighbors. This would easily pay for itself in a few months and run for life. Just lube on scedule and forget about it. Getting the spacing right on the magnets is the trickest part but with a little play this isn't hard to build. gotta be careful with the magnets, they will fuck you up bad. these suckers are insanly strong.
Yeah, it almost seems too good to be true.
Put one of these bad boys in the basement and you have your own electric turbine.
What's the investment and potential output?
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Yeah, it almost seems too good to be true.
Put one of these bad boys in the basement and you have your own electric turbine.
What's the investment and potential output?
looks like they've gone up in price since I bought mine but still not a big deal with the trade off. Just off the top of my head I'd say you could probably put that together for 5000.00 plus the cost of a generator. I don't think you would need one as big as his for home. I wouldn't be shocked if the one in the youtube video was 500 hp or more. Probably more but I have no way to know for sure. Just guessing based on playing with them for a while... The output is limitless. Make sure your housing is rated for the speed add more wheels if you need more power. Run a wheel from the shaft to a mounted generator and wire up. Also several states have laws that if you start running your meter backwards, they have to pay you!
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Here's a smaller one rated at 300hp. Internally it probably engages from the side and turns off as the outer magnet housing moves out of alignment.
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Cool stuff. 8)
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This apparatus seems unlikely to work. For engines to work, you need a high concentration of energy, and a sink with a lower concentration of energy for the energy to flow into from the source. (the rock rolling downhill)
The funny thing about perpetual motion machines is that their "inventors" will not publish how they work in detail on the pretense that their idea will be "stolen". When in fact, it is the publication of ideas that guarantee proper credit when patents are granted.
Another thing, effects of nature can not be patented. As an example, nuclear fission could not be patented, but the devices that exploit nuclear fission can be.
These "inventors" always run when it is suggested that an engineering lab investigate their devices without their presence.
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This apparatus seems unlikely to work. For engines to work, you need a high concentration of energy, and a sink with a lower concentration of energy for the energy to flow into from the source. (the rock rolling downhill)
The funny thing about perpetual motion machines is that their "inventors" will not publish how they work in detail on the pretense that their idea will be "stolen". When in fact, it is the publication of ideas that guarantee proper credit when patents are granted.
Another thing, effects of nature can not be patented. As an example, nuclear fission could not be patented, but the devices that exploit nuclear fission can be.
These "inventors" always run when it is suggested that an engineering lab investigate their devices without their presence.
sorry bro, it works ::) and if you know what you're looking at you see exactly why it works. There's nothing hidden in that video. you need high energy? One 3X3" N48 neodynium magnet has a pull force of over 800 pounds. two of them opposing? how about 100 opposing all applying force to the same shaft? The force is there. You need to know the fields, how to direct the fields and spacing--that's about it. And I for one never thougth about trying to patent what I was working on. My only motive was an outrageous electric bill. At the time I thought best keep this to myself. I had no idea that there were others working on the same exact thing. Today seeing so many on youtube doing stuff like this is amazing. This guy's magnet sinc and angles are almost identical to mine which I really thought was cool to see. Kind of shocked me.
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Just ran into another who's in the process of figuring it out. This is a concept you'll need to get a motor like the one above working to it's potential. This is why I ordered shielding material for mine. The person in this video calls it the holy grail. It is for this motor and probably the only thing you can't visually see in the first video of the thread.
It appears he's just using sheet metal. I ordered mumetal for my shielding and it seems they have something new out for this called Giron. The field isn't actually blocked but re-routed. If you could see the field in these clips, it would have gone from a global field around the magnet to looping in higher concentration around the sides to complete. Being able to do this with magnets is the key in making these motors work good.
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This apparatus seems unlikely to work. For engines to work, you need a high concentration of energy, and a sink with a lower concentration of energy for the energy to flow into from the source. (the rock rolling downhill)
The funny thing about perpetual motion machines is that their "inventors" will not publish how they work in detail on the pretense that their idea will be "stolen". When in fact, it is the publication of ideas that guarantee proper credit when patents are granted.
Another thing, effects of nature can not be patented. As an example, nuclear fission could not be patented, but the devices that exploit nuclear fission can be.
These "inventors" always run when it is suggested that an engineering lab investigate their devices without their presence.
Sync Pulse is right on this.
Do a search on Cycclone.
The only reactions that make energy from nothing are nuclear and this is achieved by mass reduction.
Electromotive forces are well known. Your magnetic motor will need a way of producing alternating electric fields. Two opposing magnets do not fit the bill.
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Sync Pulse is right on this.
Do a search on Cycclone.
The only reactions that make energy from nothing are nuclear and this is achieved by mass reduction.
Electromotive forces are well known. Your magnetic motor will need a way of producing alternating electric fields. Two opposing magnets do not fit the bill.
we'll see about that :) I'll hoax a video and upload it as soon as I'm done installing the sheilding. I'm sure that's what people will say anyway.
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we'll see about that :) I'll hoax a video and upload it as soon as I'm done installing the sheilding. I'm sure that's what people will say anyway.
Awesome work Hugo. Some think out of the box...davinci, edison, etc. Did you know Henry ford was told that a V-8 engine would be impossible to balance, so the world kept producing inline cylinders to the point of having super long front ends??
Some think of solutions and some think only of problems. 8)
Now here is an idea of an AC Motor. Well a magnetic wheel shaft could be used to propel an alternator out of a car!! Some of these have amperages of 100amps. I thought of this when you talked about powering a generator which is DC to Ac also.
Im new to these thoughts so it may have been done already.
BTW Im buying an old 1990 toyota pick-up to hook up a hydrogen system to it and test it out....ill keep posted.
This is fun stuff.. ;D
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Awesome work Hugo. Some think out of the box...davinci, edison, etc. Did you know Henry ford was told that a V-8 engine would be impossible to balance, so the world kept producing inline cylinders to the point of having super long front ends??
Some think of solutions and some think only of problems. 8)
Now here is an idea of an AC Motor. Well a magnetic wheel shaft could be used to propel an alternator out of a car!! Some of these have amperages of 100amps. I thought of this when you talked about powering a generator which is DC to Ac also.
Im new to these thoughts so it may have been done already.
BTW Im buying an old 1990 toyota pick-up to hook up a hydrogen system to it and test it out....ill keep posted.
This is fun stuff.. ;D
It is fun! I'm going to be doing the same to one of my cars.
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VERY VERY COOL!!! This guy instead of moving the fields out of the way like I'm talking about feeds the back EMF into the generator creating a postive feedback loop making the coils accerate. He kicks Lenz's law to the curb ;D Joker won't like this :D Neither will snyc pulse because he shows everyone exactly how to do it and why it works.
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LOL I think I found a video of Joker :D
just kidding :)
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It has nothing to do with liking, it has to do with with the way the known Universe works. If anyone has discovered a hitherto unknown effect of Nature from which energy issues forth in the manner depicted in the video, I eagerly await reading about it in journals.
To put some perspective on the matter, radioactivity was discovered in 1896. The first device to exploit this effect of nature to produce energy was the nuclear reactor built in 1942 as part of the Manhattan project in a squash court in Chicago. That was 46 years from discovery of the new phenomena to a machine that used it. A similar timeline would be with any new discovery.
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It has nothing to do with liking, it has to do with with the way the known Universe works. If anyone has discovered a hitherto unknown effect of Nature from which energy issues forth in the manner depicted in the video, I eagerly await reading about it in journals.
To put some perspective on the matter, radioactivity was discovered in 1896. The first device to exploit this effect of nature to produce energy was the nuclear reactor built in 1942 as part of the Manhattan project in a squash court in Chicago. That was 46 years from discovery of the new phenomena to a machine that used it. A similar timeline would be with any new discovery.
then by your logic we're well over due for these things to be happening. Most likely they've been held back and we all know why.
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You missed the significance of the first paragraph. There have been no published reports of repeatable observed phenomena that point to a hitherto unknown effect of nature that suggest sources of energy that don't require the flow of energy from high concentrations to low. I am of course referring to peer reviewed journals. Also experiments that can be repeated in laboratories not controlled by the "discoverers".
Awesome work Hugo. Some think out of the box...davinci, edison, etc. Did you know Henry ford was told that a V-8 engine would be impossible to balance, so the world kept producing inline cylinders to the point of having super long front ends??
War-Horse, you confuse engineering with Fundamental Science. No engineer or research scientist ever told Ford that V-eight engines were against the Laws of Physics. They told him that they were impractical, hard to mass produce economically.
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You missed the significance of the first paragraph. There have been no published reports of repeatable observed phenomena that point to a hitherto unknown effect of nature that suggest sources of energy that don't require the flow of energy from high concentrations to low. I am of course referring to peer reviewed journals. Also experiments that can be repeated in laboratories not controlled by the "discoverers".
War-Horse, you confuse engineering with Fundamental Science. No engineer or research scientist ever told Ford that V-eight engines were against the Laws of Physics. They told him that they were impractical, hard to mass produce economically.
I understand its not a science discovery. It was applied to the thought of "Anythings possible" You seem to have knowledge in these fields, Please join with us in thinking outside the box.
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All right, here is a sample:
Powering Automobiles without petroleum products. They will be electric, however, the energy storage systems will not be batteries. The reason is that batteries weigh too much in relation to the amount of energy that they store. Resulting in restricted range and sluggish acceleration.
The solution will be super conductivity. With super conductivity it will be possible to construct tori that will store electricity by spinning electrons around a frictionless circle. It is estimated that this device will be able to store energy in densities the same as gasoline and internal combustion engines. This will result in electric cars that drive with the same sprightly acceleration and handling as a gasoline powered car (and the same range).
This device has yet to be engineered, but it is entirely within the realm of physical possibility.
One interesting possibility of an electric car is the elimination of geared transmissions. Direct drive all four wheels with an electric motor on each wheel. With electronic control to control revolutions per minute and torque of each motor individually, it will be possible to mimic differentials, transmissions, all wheel drive without power robbing mechanical systems. Also, electronically controlled direct drive systems, (in use presently in copying machines, washing machines, phonograph turntables, attic fans) are much more reliable than the purely mechanical systems that they replaced.
Out of the box enough for you?
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All right, here is a sample:
Powering Automobiles without petroleum products. They will be electric, however, the energy storage systems will not be batteries. The reason is that batteries weigh too much in relation to the amount of energy that they store. Resulting in restricted range and sluggish acceleration.
The solution will be super conductivity. With super conductivity it will be possible to construct tori that will store electricity by spinning electrons around a frictionless circle. It is estimated that this device will be able to store energy in densities the same as gasoline and internal combustion engines. This will result in electric cars that drive with the same sprightly acceleration and handling as a gasoline powered car (and the same range).
This device has yet to be engineered, but it is entirely within the realm of physical possibility.
One interesting possibility of an electric car is the elimination of geared transmissions. Direct drive all four wheels with an electric motor on each wheel. With electronic control to control revolutions per minute and torque of each motor individually, it will be possible to mimic differentials, transmissions, all wheel drive without power robbing mechanical systems. Also, electronically controlled direct drive systems, (in use presently in copying machines, washing machines, phonograph turntables, attic fans) are much more reliable than the purely mechanical systems that they replaced.
Out of the box enough for you?
I know they already have electric cars with a motor at all 4 wheels eliminating drivetrain. What are the weaknesses here in your example and do you believe you can come up with some solutions??
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It will take teams of engineers and fundamental scientists to make a marketable car along these principles. Also, superconductivity has not yet been developed to a point that it works at a high enough temperature to make this economical. (it took General Electric twenty years to learn how to mass produce tungsten filament incandescent light bulbs)
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It will take teams of engineers and fundamental scientists to make a marketable car along these principles. Also, superconductivity has not yet been developed to a point that it works at a high enough temperature to make this economical. (it took General Electric twenty years to learn how to mass produce tungsten filament incandescent light bulbs)
I believe you can solve this. Perhaps the materials used in super conductivity are deficient. Can we use some chemistry to overcome this? We may have to think out of the box.
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It will take an industrial research program, with many specialists. It is a fact.
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It will take an industrial research program, with many specialists. It is a fact.
Thats a defeatist attitude... >:(
Ill just solve it myself. First i need to fix this magnetic motor thing... ;D
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It will take an industrial research program, with many specialists. It is a fact.
how old are you ::)
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By all means, build your over-unity motive machine, install it under the hood of a 1964 1/2 Pontiac GTO. Get a write up in Scientific American, Car and Driver, Motor Trend.
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By all means, build your over-unity motive machine, install it under the hood of a 1964 1/2 Pontiac GTO. Get a write up in Scientific American, Car and Driver, Motor Trend.
but we don't have 28 years with an industrial research team and many scientists ::)
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By all means, build your over-unity motive machine, install it under the hood of a 1964 1/2 Pontiac GTO. Get a write up in Scientific American, Car and Driver, Motor Trend.
You are not cut out for this kind of work. You're fired.
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but we don't have 28 years with an industrial research team and many scientists ::)
I await news of your success in the trade journals.
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The first video is a fake. The edits are very clear. One side is hooked up to a motor, and then they detach it before showing you the other side. The guy is making alot of money by selling a lease to the technology and then postponing delivery.
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I await news of your success in the trade journals.
sure, talk to you in 28 years ::)
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VERY VERY COOL!!! This guy instead of moving the fields out of the way like I'm talking about feeds the back EMF into the generator creating a postive feedback loop making the coils accerate. He kicks Lenz's law to the curb ;D Joker won't like this :D Neither will snyc pulse because he shows everyone exactly how to do it and why it works.
He is adding electric somewhere. There are losses due to friction in the bearing s and heat from the resistant in the wiring and inefficiencies of the magnetic field collapsing .in any electric motor. The best permanent magnet motors are around 95% percent efficient. This motor is over 100 efficient.
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The first video is a fake. The edits are very clear. One side is hooked up to a motor, and then they detach it before showing you the other side. The guy is making alot of money by selling a lease to the technology and then postponing delivery.
He is adding electric somewhere. There are losses due to friction in the bearing s and heat from the resistant in the wiring and inefficiencies of the magnetic field collapsing .in any electric motor. The best permanent magnet motors are around 95% percent efficient. This motor is over 100 efficient.
Hugo, care to respond to these, are these motors breaking the laws described by Newton?
Have you ever seen and inspected on IN PERSON?