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(http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080513122249.m3ds3b6j&show_article=1)
Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" and said Jews were not the chosen people, in a letter to be sold in London this week, an auctioneer said Tuesday.
The father of relativity, whose previously known views on religion have been more ambivalent and fuelled much discussion, made the comments in response to a philosopher in 1954.
As a Jew himself, Einstein said he had a great affinity with Jewish people but said they "have no different quality for me than all other people".
"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this," he wrote in the letter written on January 3, 1954 to the philosopher Eric Gutkind, cited by The Guardian newspaper.
The German-language letter is being sold Thursday by Bloomsbury Auctions in Mayfair after being in a private collection for more than 50 years, said the auction house's managing director Rupert Powell.
In it, the renowned scientist, who declined an invitation to become Israel's second president, rejected the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people.
"For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions," he said.
"And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people."
And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
Previously the great scientist's comments on religion -- such as "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" -- have been the subject of much debate, used notably to back up arguments in favour of faith.
Powell said the letter being sold this week gave a clear reflection of Einstein's real thoughts on the subject. "He's fairly unequivocal as to what he's saying. There's no beating about the bush," he told AFP.
Poor guy, he must be burning in hell right now.
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I think the 'faith' that Einstein was referring to was his faith in the rationality of the universe where math and science are capable of working.
That's not the same thing as having faith in god and the status of the chosen people and all that stuff.
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Einstein also disagreed with the establishment of Israel.
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Slap in the face to all that the christian idiots that claimed him as their own.
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Slap in the face to all that the christian idiots that claimed him as their own.
The claim is that he believed in God, not that he was a Christian.
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And he added: "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
What does that mean?
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What does that mean?
I think what he means is that the Jewish people are not a powerful nation and becuase of that they are not afflicted with the "cancers", meaning bad things, that come with power.
That was 1954. With America's backing they are pretty powerful now and have a suspect track record.
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I think what he means is that the Jewish people are not a powerful nation and becuase of that they are not afflicted with the "cancers", meaning bad things, that come with power.
That was 1954. With America's backing they are pretty powerful now and have a suspect track record.
Makes sense. Thank you!
He says "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups" and "I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
I think it is ironic that these statements come from non-other than Einstein himself, also a Jew and a Nobel prize winner. Most Nobel prize winners are Jews and Jews score the highest in IQ tests.
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The claim is that he believed in God, not that he was a Christian.
Is it possibly to belive in God but not be a Christian?
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Is it possibly to belive in God but not be a Christian?
Yes.
James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."
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Makes sense. Thank you!
He says "As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups" and "I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."
I think it is ironic that these statements come from non-other than Einstein himself, also a Jew and a Nobel prize winner. Most Nobel prize winners are Jews and Jews score the highest in IQ tests.
Do they really? wow, didn't know that.
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Do they really? wow, didn't know that.
Yup:
Jewish Genius
"In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math."
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/jewish-genius-10855?page=all
"Though never exceeding 3 percent of the American population, Jews account for 37 percent of the winners of the U.S. National Medal of Science, 25 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in literature, 40 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in science and economics, and so on. On the world stage, we find that 54 percent of the world chess champions have had one or two Jewish parents."
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2006_06_17_thenewrepublic.html
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Is it possibly to belive in God but not be a Christian?
NO
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Yes.
James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."
YOU FOOL...The correct interpretation of that is almost self explanatory.
Demons would have you believe in many gods (Satan and his dominion) in order to keep you away from the one and only GOD. They (demons) shudder at the thought of GOD and a ONE GOD ONLY UNIVERSE....
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Yes.
James 2:19
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."
Good verse I completely forgot that one thanks bro!
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Einstein also disagreed with the establishment of Israel.
Is that true? I thought he was only opposed to the founding government.
Is it possibly to belive in God but not be a Christian?
Yes, if you are a Jew. Yahweh made himself known to the Jews. Christians and Jews share the same God. The validity of whether or not Jesus was the Messiah is where the road splits.
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I don't think it's the "same God" It's a similar "interpretation" and or "identification" of God. And if Jews don't believe Jesus was God, then do they really believe in the same God?
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Do they really? wow, didn't know that.
Jews do tend to score high on IQ tests, and not surprisingly education and knowledge are highly valued in their communities.
BUT, most nobel prize winners are Christians. I think loco was talking about proportions and percentages not overall numbers.
Interestingly, a high percentage of nobel prize winners also fall under the astrological signs of Gemini and Virgo, which makes sense since these are considered the "thinking" signs. The least representation falls under the sign of Capricorn. Einstein was a Pisces, which may account for his wackiness and consistent, outspoken fight for world peace. ;)
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YOU FOOL...The correct interpretation of that is almost self explanatory.
Demons would have you believe in many gods (Satan and his dominion) in order to keep you away from the one and only GOD. They (demons) shudder at the thought of GOD and a ONE GOD ONLY UNIVERSE....
Hey Samson! Am I a fool? I'm sure that you are a very wise man! ;D
My point is that demons believe in God because they have seen God, yet they are not Christians. So yes, it is possible to believe in God and not be a Christian.
And as Deedee said, Jews also believe in the same God that Christians believe in, Yahweh, yet they are not Christians. So again, yes, it is possible to believe in God and not be a Christian.
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BUT, most nobel prize winners are Christians. I think loco was talking about proportions and percentages not overall numbers.
Yes, thanks Deedee! ;D
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I don't think it's the "same God" It's a similar "interpretation" and or "identification" of God. And if Jews don't believe Jesus was God, then do they really believe in the same God?
If that were true, Christians would have thrown away the OT since those are the words of the "Jewish" God.
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I don't think it's the "same God" It's a similar "interpretation" and or "identification" of God. And if Jews don't believe Jesus was God, then do they really believe in the same God?
It is the same God. The OT is part of what we believe to be the Inspired Word of God. Not like the Muslims who embrace the Koran and throw out the OT and the NT, even though some stuff in the Koran come from both the OT and the NT.
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Yes, if you are a Jew. Yahweh made himself known to the Jews. Christians and Jews share the same God. The validity of whether or not Jesus was the Messiah is where the road splits.
Well you can throw in the Mulims too, they also believe in the God revealed in the Pentatuch but when it comes to salvation
The bible says:
1 John 5:9-12
Sums it up in verse 12 Whoever (Christians) has the Son (Jesus) has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
My question is really this what is the scripture saying in 1 John 5 about the importance of believing in Jesus vice just believing in God (The Father) alone?
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Is that true? I thought he was only opposed to the founding government.
"Despite his years of Zionist efforts, Einstein publicly stated reservations about the proposal to partition the British-supervised British Mandate of Palestine into independent Arab and Jewish countries. In a 1938 speech, "Our Debt to Zionism", he said: "I am afraid of the inner damage Judaism will sustain—especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks, against which we have already had to fight strongly, even without a Jewish state. ... If external necessity should after all compel us to assume this burden [of a state], let us bear it with tact and patience."[68]
Another good Einstein comment on religion from one of his papers published in Nature.
"Einstein published a paper in Nature in 1940 entitled "Science and Religion" which gave his views on the subject.[57] He says that: "a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value … regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation … In this sense religion is the age-old endeavour of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals, and constantly to strengthen their effects." He argued that conflicts between science and religion "have all sprung from fatal errors."
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Well you can throw in the Mulims too, they also believe in the God revealed in the Pentatuch but when it comes to salvation
The bible says:
1 John 5:9-12
Sums it up in verse 12 Whoever (Christians) has the Son (Jesus) has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
My question is really this what is the scripture saying in 1 John 5 about the importance of believing in Jesus vice just believing in God (The Father) alone?
Your original question was: Is it possible to believe in God and not be a Christian? The answer is yes, you can believe in God and not be a Christian.
Your question now is: Is it possible to believe in God and not be saved? According to Jesus, the answer is yes, you can believe in God and still NOT be saved.
You must believe not only in God, but also in the Son of God to be saved.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
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"Though never exceeding 3 percent of the American population, Jews account for 37 percent of the winners of the U.S. National Medal of Science, 25 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in literature, 40 percent of the American Nobel Prize winners in science and economics, and so on. On the world stage, we find that 54 percent of the world chess champions have had one or two Jewish parents.
Does this mean that Jews are a nation of meinsteins? It does not. Their average IQ has been measured at 108 to 115, one-half to one standard deviation above the mean. But statisticians have long known that a moderate difference in the means of two distributions translates into a large difference at the tails. In the simplest case, if we have two groups of the same size, and the average of Group A exceeds the average of Group B by fifteen IQ points (one standard deviation), then among people with an IQ of 115 or higher the As will outnumber the Bs by a ratio of three to one, but among people with an IQ of 160 or higher the As will outnumber the Bs by a ratio of forty-two to one. Even if Group A was a fraction of the size of Group B to begin with, it would contribute a substantial proportion of the people who had the highest scores."
http://pinker.wjh.harvard.edu/articles/media/2006_06_17_thenewrepublic.html
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Nobel Prizes
"In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math."
IQ
"What accounts for this remarkable record? A full answer must call on many characteristics of Jewish culture, but intelligence has to be at the center of the answer. Jews have been found to have an unusually high mean intelligence as measured by IQ tests since the first Jewish samples were tested. (The widely repeated story that Jewish immigrants to this country in the early 20th century tested low on IQ is a canard.) Exactly how high has been difficult to pin down, because Jewish sub-samples in the available surveys are seldom perfectly representative. But it is currently accepted that the mean is somewhere in the range of 107 to 115, with 110 being a plausible compromise.
The IQ mean for the American population is “normed” to be 100, with a standard deviation of 15. If the Jewish mean is 110, then the mathematics of the normal distribution says that the average Jew is at the 75th percentile. Underlying that mean in overall IQ is a consistent pattern on IQ subtests: Jews are only about average on the subtests measuring visuo-spatial skills, but extremely high on subtests that measure verbal and reasoning skills.
A group’s mean intelligence is important in explaining outcomes such as mean educational attainment or mean income. The key indicator for predicting exceptional accomplishment (like winning a Nobel Prize) is the incidence of exceptional intelligence. Consider an IQ score of 140 or higher, denoting the level of intelligence that can permit people to excel in fields like theoretical physics and pure mathematics. If the mean Jewish IQ is 110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the proportion of Jews with IQ’s of 140 or higher is somewhere around six times the proportion of everyone else.
The imbalance continues to increase for still higher IQ’s. New York City’s public-school system used to administer a pencil-and-paper IQ test to its entire school population. In 1954, a psychologist used those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-school system with measured IQ’s of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24 were Jews.
Exceptional intelligence is not enough to explain exceptional accomplishment. Qualities such as imagination, ambition, perseverance, and curiosity are decisive in separating the merely smart from the highly productive. The role of intelligence is nicely expressed in an analogy suggested to me years ago by the sociologist Steven Goldberg: intelligence plays the same role in an intellectually demanding task that weight plays in the performance of NFL offensive tackles. The heaviest offensive tackle is not necessarily the best. Indeed, the correlation between weight and performance among NFL offensive tackles is probably quite low. But they all weigh more than 300 pounds.
So with intelligence. The other things count, but you must be very smart to have even a chance of achieving great work. A randomly selected Jew has a higher probability of possessing that level of intelligence than a randomly selected member of any other ethnic or national group, by far."
Conclusion
"A loose end remains. Is it the case that, before the 1st century C.E., Jews were intellectually ordinary? Are we to believe that the Bible, a work compiled over centuries and incorporating everything from brilliant poetry to profound ethics, with stories that speak so eloquently to the human condition that they have inspired great art, music, and literature for millennia, was produced by an intellectually run-of-the-mill Levantine tribe?
In The Evolution of Man and Society (1969), the geneticist Cyril Darlington presented the thesis that Jews and Judaism were decisively shaped much earlier than the 1st century C.E., namely, by the Babylonian captivity that began with the fall of Jerusalem to the forces of Nebuchadnezzar in 586 B.C.E.
Darlington’s analysis touches on many issues, but I will focus on just the intelligence question. The biblical account clearly states that only a select group of Jews were taken to Babylon. We read that Nebuchadnezzar “carried into exile all Jerusalem: all the officers and fighting men, and all the craftsmen and artisans. . . . Only the poorest people of the land were left” (2 Kings 24:10).
In effect, the Babylonians took away the Jewish elites, selected in part for high intelligence, and left behind the poor and unskilled, selected in part for low intelligence. By the time the exiles returned, more than a century later, many of those remaining behind in Judah had been absorbed into other religions. Following Ezra’s command to “separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives” (Ezra 10:9), only those who renounced their foreign wives and children were permitted to stay within the group. The returned exiles, who formed the bulk of the reconstituted Jewish community, comprised mainly the descendants of the Jewish elites—plausibly a far more able population, on average, than the pre-captivity population.
I offer the Babylonian captivity as a concrete mechanism whereby Jewish intelligence may have been elevated very early, but I am not wedded to it. Even without that mechanism, there is reason to think that selection for intelligence antedates the 1st century C.E.
From its very outset, apparently going back to the time of Moses, Judaism was intertwined with intellectual complexity. Jews were commanded by God to heed the law, which meant they had to learn the law. The law was so extensive and complicated that this process of learning and reviewing was never complete. Moreover, Jewish males were not free to pretend that they had learned the law, for fathers were commanded to teach the law to their children. It became obvious to all when fathers failed in their duty. No other religion made so many intellectual demands upon the whole body of its believers. Long before Joshua ben Gamla and the destruction of the Second Temple, the requirements for being a good Jew had provided incentives for the less intelligent to fall away.
Assessing the events of the 1st century C.E. thus poses a chicken-and-egg problem. By way of an analogy, consider written Chinese with its thousands of unique characters. On cognitive tests, today’s Chinese do especially well on visuo-spatial skills. It is possible, I suppose, that their high visuo-spatial skills have been fostered by having to learn written Chinese; but I find it much more plausible that only people who already possessed high visuo-spatial skills would ever devise such a ferociously difficult written language. Similarly, I suppose it is possible that the Jews’ high verbal skills were fostered, through secondary and tertiary effects, by the requirement that they be able to read and understand complicated texts after the 1st century C.E.; but I find it much more plausible that only people who already possessed high verbal skills would dream of installing such a demanding requirement.
This reasoning pushes me even farther into the realm of speculation. Insofar as I am suggesting that the Jews may have had some degree of unusual verbal skills going back to the time of Moses, I am naked before the evolutionary psychologists’ ultimate challenge. Why should one particular tribe at the time of Moses, living in the same environment as other nomadic and agricultural peoples of the Middle East, have already evolved elevated intelligence when the others did not?
At this point, I take sanctuary in my remaining hypothesis, uniquely parsimonious and happily irrefutable. The Jews are God’s chosen people."
Read the whole thing here:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/jewish-genius-10855?page=all
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I am dead-set against bigotry. But those Jews really know how to make money.
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Isn't that just a gem... This chosen people bullshit is about as supremacist as it gets. Unfortunately the countless Christians here that believe give testament to our stupidity. ::) and that Judaism hasn't renounced such a notion in light of recent events is a testament to the level of their integrity.
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Isn't that just a gem... This chosen people bullshit is about as supremacist as it gets. Unfortunately the countless Christians here that believe give testament to our stupidity. ::) and that Judaism hasn't renounced such a notion in light of recent events is a testament to the level of their integrity.
Why is it supremacist? Nobody, not even the Jews claim to be superior to anybody just because they are God's chosen people. God always warned Israel not be become too proud and not to exalt themselves for whatever God did through them, but to give God the credit and the glory.
God did not tell Israel to rule the world, but Israel was ruled by many different people throughout history. Israel was never interested in ruling the whole world, unlike other nations.
God did not tell Israel to enslave the world, but Israel was enslaved by the Egyptians who were ruling the known world at the time.
The Jews never thought of themselves superior to other groups of people, but throughout history other groups of people have thoguht themselves superior to the Jews.
God did not tell Israel to exterminate the rest of the world, but the world tried to exterminate the Jews during the time of Ramesses II, later during the time of Xerxes and later during the time of Hitler and the Nazis. Still today there are groups who want to exterminate the Jews.
God did not choose Israel because of Israel's righteousness, size or intelligence. God did not choose the Jews because they are a special people. The Jews are a special people because God chose them.
God chose Israel, a small and weak nation, to show His power through them to all other nations. Throughout history, Israel as a nation and the Jews as a people have accomplished much against all odds, and still today they continue to do so. God's power wouldn't look so great to other nations if God had chosen the largest, strongest, most powerful nation, whoever that might be. If you read the Bible, both OT and NT, you'll see that God consistently chooses the small, the weak, the poor, etc., to show His power through that person or group of people.
And don't you think it is rather interesting that "countless Christians here" don't claim to be God's chosen people, but rather admit that the Jews are God's chosen people? You won't get that from Muslims.
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GOD NAMES NEXT "CHOSEN PEOPLE"; IT'S JEWS AGAIN
"Oh Shit," Say Jews
Jerusalem (SatireWire.com) Update — Jews, whose troubled, 10,000-year term as God's "chosen people" finally expired last night, woke up this morning to find that they had once again been hand-picked by the Almighty. Synagogues across the globe declared a day of mourning.
Asked if the descendants of Abraham shouldn't be pleased about being tapped for an unprecedented second term, Jerusalem Rabbi Ben Meyerson shrugged. "Of course, you are right, we should be thrilled," he said. "We should also enjoy a good swift kick in the head, but for some reason, we don't.
"Now don't ask such questions until you watch the news, or read history, or at least rent 'Fiddler on the Roof'."
Much of the world's re-blessed Jewish community shared that feeling. "It's always been considered a joke with us. You know, 'Please G-d, next time choose someone else,' ha ha," said New York City resident David Bashert.
"Ha. Ha ha," Bashert added. "Shit."
According to a worldwide survey of faiths, not a single group expressed an interest in being chosen, and the only application submitted before last night's filing deadline, on behalf of the Islamic people, proved to be a fake.
"Somebody filled out a form and signed our name to it, but I guarantee it wasn't us," said Imam Yusuf Al Muhammed of Medina, Saudi Arabia. "I'm not going to say who it was, but the application was filled out in Hebrew."
"Oh, don't be such a k'vatsh," responded Meyerson. "It's only 10,000 years. Trust me, after a few diaspora, you would have gotten used to the universal hatred thing."
Due to the absence of voluntary candidates, God's Law stipulated that the Almighty had to choose a people at random to serve out the next 10-millenia term. Elias Contreau, director of the International Interfaith Working Group, said he wasn't surprised it came to a blind drawing.
"According to the Bible, God promised to bless Abraham and those who came after him," said Contreau. "Who knows, maybe that sounded good at the time, or maybe 'blessed' meant something different back then, like 'Short periods of prosperity interrupted by insufferable friggin' chaos.' Whatever, I think it's safe to say that people didn't know what they were agreeing to."
Now they do, Contreau added, which he said explains why so many religions had lately been exalting God's existence, but downplaying their own.
"We were not avoiding Him. We just told our parishioners that if Anyone asks, we're out," insisted Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. George Carey, who had called off services during February. "Besides, we weren't the only ones. I didn't see the Hindus raising their hands."
"Now look, it's like we told the ethereal vision who dropped off the application, 'Sure, we have a strong shared faith and all that, but I wouldn't exactly say we're a 'people,' not really,'" recalled Hindu leader Samuldrala Swami Maharaj of Calcutta. "Plus, you know, I told him we had a lot of other commitments. We'd like to help, honestly. Another time, maybe."
In Jerusalem, Jewish leaders said they will propose an amendment to God's Law prohibiting a people from having to serve more than two consecutive terms. "Hopefully, G-d will hear our prayer," said Meyerson. "No, wait, that's what got us into this."
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Loco, I don't want to say, but once again your quote thing has gotten you into trouble with people misconstruing what you're trying to post. :) That first quote is taken out of context as the author talks about natural selection and inherited diseases. The second isn't even written by a jew, but people who don't click on the link won't know it's written by a Scots face. You're trying to give credence to the OT by finding proof that Jews are the chosen people, i.e. that they're more intelligent, but I don't know that you're doing anyone any service. Btw... Jews also have a great tradition of music. This is for you loco... one of my fav lullabyes. Wish you could understand the words, as they are beautiful, but it's in Yiddish.
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GOD NAMES NEXT "CHOSEN PEOPLE"; IT'S JEWS AGAIN
"Oh Shit," Say Jews
Jerusalem (SatireWire.com) Update — Jews, whose troubled, 10,000-year term as God's "chosen people" finally expired last night, woke up this morning to find that they had once again been hand-picked by the Almighty. Synagogues across the globe declared a day of mourning.
Asked if the descendants of Abraham shouldn't be pleased about being tapped for an unprecedented second term, Jerusalem Rabbi Ben Meyerson shrugged. "Of course, you are right, we should be thrilled," he said. "We should also enjoy a good swift kick in the head, but for some reason, we don't.
"Now don't ask such questions until you watch the news, or read history, or at least rent 'Fiddler on the Roof'."
Much of the world's re-blessed Jewish community shared that feeling. "It's always been considered a joke with us. You know, 'Please G-d, next time choose someone else,' ha ha," said New York City resident David Bashert.
"Ha. Ha ha," Bashert added. "Shit."
According to a worldwide survey of faiths, not a single group expressed an interest in being chosen, and the only application submitted before last night's filing deadline, on behalf of the Islamic people, proved to be a fake.
"Somebody filled out a form and signed our name to it, but I guarantee it wasn't us," said Imam Yusuf Al Muhammed of Medina, Saudi Arabia. "I'm not going to say who it was, but the application was filled out in Hebrew."
"Oh, don't be such a k'vatsh," responded Meyerson. "It's only 10,000 years. Trust me, after a few diaspora, you would have gotten used to the universal hatred thing."
Due to the absence of voluntary candidates, God's Law stipulated that the Almighty had to choose a people at random to serve out the next 10-millenia term. Elias Contreau, director of the International Interfaith Working Group, said he wasn't surprised it came to a blind drawing.
"According to the Bible, God promised to bless Abraham and those who came after him," said Contreau. "Who knows, maybe that sounded good at the time, or maybe 'blessed' meant something different back then, like 'Short periods of prosperity interrupted by insufferable friggin' chaos.' Whatever, I think it's safe to say that people didn't know what they were agreeing to."
Now they do, Contreau added, which he said explains why so many religions had lately been exalting God's existence, but downplaying their own.
"We were not avoiding Him. We just told our parishioners that if Anyone asks, we're out," insisted Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. George Carey, who had called off services during February. "Besides, we weren't the only ones. I didn't see the Hindus raising their hands."
"Now look, it's like we told the ethereal vision who dropped off the application, 'Sure, we have a strong shared faith and all that, but I wouldn't exactly say we're a 'people,' not really,'" recalled Hindu leader Samuldrala Swami Maharaj of Calcutta. "Plus, you know, I told him we had a lot of other commitments. We'd like to help, honestly. Another time, maybe."
In Jerusalem, Jewish leaders said they will propose an amendment to God's Law prohibiting a people from having to serve more than two consecutive terms. "Hopefully, G-d will hear our prayer," said Meyerson. "No, wait, that's what got us into this."
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Funny, and it makes sense. Bad things can come with being chosen by God. Much is required from those to whom much is given. The Jews have suffered much. Moses did not want to be chosen by God to lead Israel out of Egypt and to the promised land. Many prophets in the OT were not thrilled either to be chosen by God to deliver His message.
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Loco, I don't want to say, but once again your quote thing has gotten you into trouble with people misconstruing what you're trying to post. :) That first quote is taken out of context as the author talks about natural selection and inherited diseases.
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Why is it out of context? I quoted it because it talks about Jews and their Nobel Prize winners and their IQ. You yourself said that this is true. OzmO asked if that was for real and said that he did not know it. So I gave him something else to look at besides your word and my word. I did not quote it to support that they are God's chosen people.
The second isn't even written by a jew, but people who don't click on the link won't know it's written by a Scots face. You're trying to give credence to the OT by finding proof that Jews are the chosen people, i.e. that they're more intelligent, but I don't know that you're doing anyone any service.
Why does it have to be written by a Jew? I'm not a Jew and I believe the Bible, and the Bible says that Jews are God's chosen people. The article I quoted is full of interesting facts and a hypothesis which I find very interesting. I am not trying to prove anything. The author's belief and my belief that the Jews are God's chosen people is based on faith alone. I just find the fact about their intelligence and accomplishments against all odds very interesting.
I did not quote anything out of context. Once again, Deedee, you jump into conclusions as to the reasons why I post what I post and you are too quick to accuse me of quote mining and dishonesty.
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Why is it out of context? I quoted it because it talks about Jews and their Nobel Prize winners and their IQ. You yourself said that this is true. OzmO asked if that was for real and said that he did not know it. So I gave him something else to look at besides your word and my word. I did not quote it to support that they are God's chosen people.
Why does it have to be written by a Jew? I'm not a Jew and I believe the Bible, and the Bible says that Jews are God's chosen people. The article I quoted is full of interesting facts and a hypothesis which I find very interesting. I am not trying to prove anything. The author's belief and my belief that the Jews are God's chosen people is based on faith alone. I just find the fact about their intelligence and accomplishments against all odds very interesting.
I did not quote anything out of context. Once again, Deedee, you jump into conclusions as to the reasons why I post what I post and you are too quick to accuse me of quote mining and dishonesty.
oh well, too bad you didn't see what I left you... rabbit... off you go
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oh well, too bad you didn't see what I left you... rabbit... off you go
What? Deedee, I've told you before, I can read English just fine, but I can't read your mind.
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Do they really? wow, didn't know that.
uhh half truth.
they were German Jews, and it was only during 1929-1938 that there were more jewish nobel peace prize winners....reason being Munich had the best schools in the world and if a scientist or doctor did not go to Germany for at least a year to garnish some thought they were not at the peak of their learning. Einstein was at his peak when he was dept head at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, not when he came over to the US