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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080516144757.0ds7otes&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080516144757.0ds7otes&show_article=1)
Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love.
"I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school," the now 24-year-old told AFP.
"I was 'filet mignon' for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade," or around 16 years old, he added.
Chiroux joined the US army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.
He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.
On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.
"I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq," Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.
"My decision is based on my desire to no longer continue violating my core values to support an illegal and unconstitutional occupation... I refuse to participate in the Iraq occupation," he said, as a dozen veterans of the five-year-old Iraq war looked on.
Minutes earlier, Chiroux had cried openly as he listened to former comrades-in-arms testify before members of Congress about the failings of the Iraq war.
The testimonies were the first before Congress by Iraq veterans who have turned against the five-year-old war.
Former army sergeant Kristofer Goldsmith told a half-dozen US lawmakers and scores of people who packed into a small hearing room of "lawless murders, looting and the abuse of countless Iraqis."
He spoke of the psychologically fragile men and women who return from Iraq, to find little help or treatment offered from official circles.
Goldsmith said he had "self-medicated" for several months to treat the wounds of the war.
Another soldier told AFP he had to boost his dosage of medication to treat anxiety and social agoraphobia -- two of many lingering mental wounds he carries since his deployments in Iraq -- before testifying.
Some 300,000 of the 1.6 million US soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from the psychological traumas of post-traumatic stress disorder, depression or both, an independent study showed last month.
A group of veterans sitting in the hearing room gazed blankly as their comrades' testimonies shattered the official version that the US effort in Iraq is succeeding.
Almost to a man, the soldiers who testified denounced serious flaws in the chain of command in Iraq.
Luis Montalvan, a former army captain, accused high-ranking US officers of numerous failures in Iraq, including turning a blind eye to massive fraud on the part of US contractors.
Ex-Marine Jason Lemieux told how a senior officer had altered a report he had written because it slammed US troops of using excessive force, firing off thousands of rounds of machine gun fire and hundreds of grenades in the face of a feeble four rounds of enemy fire.
Goldsmith accused US officials of censorship.
"Everyone who manages a blog, Facebook or Myspace out of Iraq has to register every video, picture, document of any event they do on mission," Goldsmith told AFP after the hearing.
"You're almost always denied before you are allowed to send them home."
Officials take "hard facts and slice them into small pieces to make them presentable to the secretary of state or the president -- and all with the intent of furthering the occupation of Iraq," Goldsmith added.
Chiroux is one of thousands of US soldiers who have deserted since the Iraq war began in 2003, according to figures issued last year by the US army.
But while many seek refuge in Canada, the young soldier vowed to stay in the United States to fight "whatever charges the army levels at me."
The US army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for 30 days.
Chiroux stood fast in his resolve to not report for duty on June 15.
"I cannot deploy to Iraq, carry a weapon and not be part of the problem," he told AFP.
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I knew this was coming...I would like to remind folks that these guys were'nt under oath but brought lawyers anyway. Its funny I must have missed alot of atrocities while deployed. As far as the waste, fraud and abuse...its a separate issue and should be looked into. We saw it everyday. Thats a gov thing and would happen under any admin under any circumstance. KBR started their deal under Clinton and did the same thing in Bosnia. There are plenty of other companies doing the same thing. I'm not sure how u stop it wholesale, but just try and stop it when it happens.
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Further none of the folks who testified had been in Iraq since 2005...i'd have to recheck that but thats what I read.
Lemieux recounted one incident, and began the story with the standard “I don’t remember the date”. His unit returned fire with thousands of rounds and Lemieux called it indiscriminate (even though he was in the headquarters and only heard the rounds being fired and didn’t witness the actual fire fight). IVAW seems to be fixated on destroyed buildings. Probably because most were so far from the action, all they got to see was destroyed buildings. He went on to say that troops aren’t fighting for democracy, or the flag, or the country…just for their own safety and that somehow makes them dangerous to Iraqis. We can only hope the Iraqis realize that.
There was alot of testimony like that. U don't build a case with bullshit like this.
Kristopher Goldsmith told the committee that he’d only joined the Army because he wanted to kill, that his longing for killing went back to his youth - but we shouldn’t be afraid of him because he’s not a killer or a racist anymore. Whew. He followed with pictures of backed up toilets and sewer systems. The horrors, the horrors. Goldsmith claimed he was discharged without benefits because he tried to commit suicide. I find it hard to believe, I mean really hard to believe. If he was discharged without VA benefits it was for something other than trying to commit suicide.
If a guy toldf me he wanted to kill and seemed nuts..he'd be on a bird within days and relieved of his weapon within minutes
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Ozmo so we're staright...good catch and post. I'm glad i was on to debate some of this stuff before the nutbags get on and jerk each other off over this. Its pretty clear we should never have gone to Iraq, but its also clear we have to win before we pull out. It should also be clear that Iraq is not some free fire zone where American kids do what they want. Its funny they don't seem to ever mention much about Afghanistan. That war is so forgotten, so "black ops" and pretty much the wild west, yet nothing.
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if he didnt like the war, he shouldn't have signed up.
Kid came home, saw Loose Change, and said "WTF"?
Don't take the college $ if you can't do the time.
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Ozmo so we're staright...good catch and post. I'm glad i was on to debate some of this stuff before the nutbags get on and jerk each other off over this. Its pretty clear we should never have gone to Iraq, but its also clear we have to win before we pull out. It should also be clear that Iraq is not some free fire zone where American kids do what they want. Its funny they don't seem to ever mention much about Afghanistan. That war is so forgotten, so "black ops" and pretty much the wild west, yet nothing.
I agree. Leaving would catastrophic for the Iraqis especially the ones who have supported us.
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so you're saying they lied ? ::)
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Hey, not all soilders are modern day Rambo's like HH6.
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They had lawyers because they are going to build evidence of corruption and war crimes.
This admin and the soldiers that rape, pillage, and use other humans as moving target practice will pay soon.
Excellant move to have lawyers there.....they know they have to cover their ass.
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I agree. Leaving would catastrophic for the Iraqis especially the ones who have supported us.
Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war...There is plenty of proof that most if not all are againts the war....
Find one iraqi on youtube or wherever that says he supports the war at PRESENT....
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Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war...There is plenty of proof that most if not all are againts the war....
Find one iraqi on youtube or wherever that says he supports the war at PRESENT....
Show me a youtube video of JUST ONE American that says he is in support of an assassination of the president...
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Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war...There is plenty of proof that most if not all are againts the war....
Find one iraqi on youtube or wherever that says he supports the war at PRESENT....
There are no Iraqi working with the Americans to stabilize the country?
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if he didnt like the war, he shouldn't have signed up.
Kid came home, saw Loose Change, and said "WTF"?
Don't take the college $ if you can't do the time.
Exactly, his ass wanted in, to the recruiters he's just another number...
Not too bright.
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I knew this was coming...I would like to remind folks that these guys were'nt under oath but brought lawyers anyway. Its funny I must have missed alot of atrocities while deployed.[...]
That's the thing with the "wars" we fight: Nobody dies, we're always the good guys and we never leave the country totally ruined. Hey, if it don't show up in FOX it must be a lie... Damn libertarians!
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There are no Iraqi working with the Americans to stabilize the country?
If you are talking about the puppet govt sponsored by USA to make everything look kosher, then yes...Even officials from that puppet govt want our troops out of there....I gaurentee you will not find one official from the patsy govt that is for our troops being over there...
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Show me a youtube video of JUST ONE American that says he is in support of an assassination of the president...
Actually I remember a member of GetBig, dont remember the name of person, that made threats againts the president....Supposedly a letter from the FBI showed up on our boards warning of such moves even being typed out on a message board...Anyone remember this?
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Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war...There is plenty of proof that most if not all are againts the war....
Find one iraqi on youtube or wherever that says he supports the war at PRESENT....
Local Iraqis Continue to Support War
EVERETT, WA - Lafta Alali and Abdul Altamimi at the Colby Halal Market
(http://nwpr.org/HomepageArticles/images/042408NorthwestIraqis.JPG)
Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008
When the war in Iraq began, Iraqi exiles in Everett, Washington paraded in the streets. Five years later, polls show most Americans oppose the war. But support is still strong among those who lived under Saddam Hussein. Correspondent Austin Jenkins recently returned to Everett and filed this reporter’s notebook.
The Colby Halal Market is unofficial headquarters for Everett’s large Iraqi-American community. It’s a place to shop for kosher grocery items, converse in Arabic and catch-up with friends.
On a recent weekday, store owner Lafta Alali rang up customers and spoke of his ongoing support of the war in Iraq.
Alali: “Everybody don’t like war because war is so ugly. But Saddam is so bad. You need somebody to stop him.”
Alali has good reason not to like Saddam Hussein. He says his brother was killed by Saddam’s forces. Alali fought the regime in the first gulf war and then escaped to a refugee camp. He was separated from his wife and three daughters until American forces toppled Saddam in 2003.
Alali: “My daughter I leave her as a four month, when I meet her 12 years because she don’t see me before. She can’t believe oh this is my dad.”
For Alali, the war means he got his family back. But I was struck that five years later still all he wants to talk about is Saddam who’s now dead.
Alali: “Saddam is not a human, believe me.”
But what about what’s happening in Iraq today - the roadside bombs, sectarian fighting, the deaths of Iraqi civilians and U-S troops, the lack of reliable electricity? He responds that when you live under a brutal dictator for twenty-five years, freedom becomes the most important thing
Alali: “Freedom to speech.”
…even if it comes at great cost. Alali’s friend Abdul Altamimi agrees.
Altamimi: “We can say thank you so much United States, thank you so much American Army and we sorry about anybody who die there in Iraq for the freedom.”
Both Altamimi and Alali say Americans need to give the Iraqi government more time to stand up on its own. Alali says he agrees with Republican presidential candidate John McCain who opposes a quick withdrawl of U-S troops.
Alali: “They need time. You can’t be freedom in one hour. Because they don’t have freedom before. They need to practice things like that.”
Both men say they’re confident peace will come to their country. Maybe not soon, but eventually.
http://nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=3794
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Local Iraqis Continue to Support War
EVERETT, WA - Lafta Alali and Abdul Altamimi at the Colby Halal Market
(http://nwpr.org/HomepageArticles/images/042408NorthwestIraqis.JPG)
Posted: Thursday, April 24, 2008
When the war in Iraq began, Iraqi exiles in Everett, Washington paraded in the streets. Five years later, polls show most Americans oppose the war. But support is still strong among those who lived under Saddam Hussein. Correspondent Austin Jenkins recently returned to Everett and filed this reporter’s notebook.
The Colby Halal Market is unofficial headquarters for Everett’s large Iraqi-American community. It’s a place to shop for kosher grocery items, converse in Arabic and catch-up with friends.
On a recent weekday, store owner Lafta Alali rang up customers and spoke of his ongoing support of the war in Iraq.
Alali: “Everybody don’t like war because war is so ugly. But Saddam is so bad. You need somebody to stop him.”
Alali has good reason not to like Saddam Hussein. He says his brother was killed by Saddam’s forces. Alali fought the regime in the first gulf war and then escaped to a refugee camp. He was separated from his wife and three daughters until American forces toppled Saddam in 2003.
Alali: “My daughter I leave her as a four month, when I meet her 12 years because she don’t see me before. She can’t believe oh this is my dad.”
For Alali, the war means he got his family back. But I was struck that five years later still all he wants to talk about is Saddam who’s now dead.
Alali: “Saddam is not a human, believe me.”
But what about what’s happening in Iraq today - the roadside bombs, sectarian fighting, the deaths of Iraqi civilians and U-S troops, the lack of reliable electricity? He responds that when you live under a brutal dictator for twenty-five years, freedom becomes the most important thing
Alali: “Freedom to speech.”
…even if it comes at great cost. Alali’s friend Abdul Altamimi agrees.
Altamimi: “We can say thank you so much United States, thank you so much American Army and we sorry about anybody who die there in Iraq for the freedom.”
Both Altamimi and Alali say Americans need to give the Iraqi government more time to stand up on its own. Alali says he agrees with Republican presidential candidate John McCain who opposes a quick withdrawl of U-S troops.
Alali: “They need time. You can’t be freedom in one hour. Because they don’t have freedom before. They need to practice things like that.”
Both men say they’re confident peace will come to their country. Maybe not soon, but eventually.
http://nwpr.org/07/HomepageArticles/Article.aspx?n=3794
The challenge was Iraqis, not Iraqi americans....Thanks for the post though....
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The challenge was Iraqis, not Iraqi americans....Thanks for the post though....
You said "Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war"
I just gave you two. If you're now saying you were only referring to Iraqis in Iraq, then you should look at opinion polls done in Iraq. They might show that a sizeable number--or even a majority--of Iraqis don't support the war, but they also show that a significant number do support it.
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Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war...There is plenty of proof that most if not all are againts the war....
Find one iraqi on youtube or wherever that says he supports the war at PRESENT....
If there weren't people supporting the American presence there then no one would work with them. And that includes many things outside the government, such as civil servants, people that work in the infrastructure, teachers etc...
They would not participate and the USA wouldn't get to square one.
The facts are there are people in Iraq that support the American presence, certainly not most. And those People I'm sure would like to see us not there when the country is stable.
Perhaps you can show where most if not all want the USA out now.
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You said "Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war"
I just gave you two. If you're now saying you were only referring to Iraqis in Iraq, then you should look at opinion polls done in Iraq. They might show that a sizeable number--or even a majority--of Iraqis don't support the war, but they also show that a significant number do support it.
Sometimes it's easier to just make claims even though the obvious exists.
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Sometimes it's easier to just make claims even though the obvious exists.
True.
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You said "Find me proof of any iraqis that support the war"
I just gave you two. If you're now saying you were only referring to Iraqis in Iraq, then you should look at opinion polls done in Iraq. They might show that a sizeable number--or even a majority--of Iraqis don't support the war, but they also show that a significant number do support it.
Polls have been shown to be a bunch of bull...The best evidence is from Iraqis themselves, in their own words....I did not have to be exact to say Iraqis living in Iraq, thats a given....American Iraqis are not in the thick of things and don't see dead kids and mothers as they walk down their neighborhood block...
Who conducts these so called polls BeachBum? Why should i look at a poll, when you could find a video of one, just one Iraqi that supports the war?
Oh you could find videos of Iraqis supporting the toppling of Hussein right after the war...They were shouting in the streets showing their love for americans...Problem is they did not find their freedom, because the troops did not leave...Today every Iraqi you would talk too knows some friend, or some family member that has been killed as the result of our troops over there....So chances are you'r not going to find a friendly Iraqi for the cause of occupying Iraq....
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Polls have been shown to be a bunch of bull...The best evidence is from Iraqis themselves, in their own words....I did not have to be exact to say Iraqis living in Iraq, thats a given....American Iraqis are not in the thick of things and don't see dead kids and mothers as they walk down their neighborhood block...
Who conducts these so called polls BeachBum? Why should i look at a poll, when you could find a video of one, just one Iraqi that supports the war?
Oh you could find videos of Iraqis supporting the toppling of Hussein right after the war...They were shouting in the streets showing their love for americans...Problem is they did not find their freedom, because the troops did not leave...Today every Iraqi you would talk too knows some friend, or some family member that has been killed as the result of our troops over there....So chances are you'r not going to find a friendly Iraqi for the cause of occupying Iraq....
So you have talked to every Iraqi?
So if you can't find a video of an Iraqi supporting the war then All or most don't?
That's real factual.
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I was not stating a fact, all i asked was for proof, for which you have not provided....
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Polls have been shown to be a bunch of bull...The best evidence is from Iraqis themselves, in their own words....I did not have to be exact to say Iraqis living in Iraq, thats a given....American Iraqis are not in the thick of things and don't see dead kids and mothers as they walk down their neighborhood block...
Who conducts these so called polls BeachBum? Why should i look at a poll, when you could find a video of one, just one Iraqi that supports the war?
Oh you could find videos of Iraqis supporting the toppling of Hussein right after the war...They were shouting in the streets showing their love for americans...Problem is they did not find their freedom, because the troops did not leave...Today every Iraqi you would talk too knows some friend, or some family member that has been killed as the result of our troops over there....So chances are you'r not going to find a friendly Iraqi for the cause of occupying Iraq....
You invented a conclusion (not one Iraqi supports the war) and then challenged anyone to disprove it. I've given you two examples now.
I'll turn this around: what proof do you have that not one Iraqi supports the war? Is that just your opinion?
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I was not stating a fact, all i asked was for proof, for which you have not provided....
Sounds like a purported factual statement to me:
I gaurentee you will not find one official from the patsy govt that is for our troops being over there...
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I was not stating a fact, all i asked was for proof, for which you have not provided....
Back peddle.
Proof? Proof is the obvious. There are some that support.
Proof is the obvious. There are many that don't (daily death & Violence).
Aside from that, only an Idiot Iraqi would himself on a video supporting the war. Because that would seal his coffin.
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Sounds like a purported factual statement to me:
Back Peddle
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You invented a conclusion (not one Iraqi supports the war) and then challenged anyone to disprove it. I've given you two examples now.
I'll turn this around: what proof do you have that not one Iraqi supports the war? Is that just your opinion?
He's talked with EVERY Iraqi.
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The only ones backpeddling is you OZMO, and BeachBum....What i asked you to do was not impossible, I just told you to find one Iraqi...You in turn, out of frustration ask me to talk to EVERY Iraqi...That is absurd...
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You invented a conclusion (not one Iraqi supports the war) and then challenged anyone to disprove it. I've given you two examples now.
I'll turn this around: what proof do you have that not one Iraqi supports the war? Is that just your opinion?
Where in my post that I stated to provide proof by an American Iraqi? You do not seriously believe that is proof do you?
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He's talked with EVERY Iraqi.
Undoubtedly.
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This guy should be jailed or shot by firing squad. If this war was Illegal then the War Tribunal or UN Appeaser's would have declared it so.
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Well thanks for the lively debate, would love to sit here all day and go back and forth, but I have to take off for now, take care...
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Well thanks for the lively debate, would love to sit here all day and go back and forth, but I have to take off for now, take care...
Adios. :)
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The only ones backpeddling is you OZMO, and BeachBum....What i asked you to do was not impossible, I just told you to find one Iraqi...You in turn, out of frustration ask me to talk to EVERY Iraqi...That is absurd...
You are the one that said all if not most are against the war and then said something about posting a video, which is stupid, becuase that would end up being a death for an Iraqi to do that.
And you said:
I gaurentee you will not find one official from the patsy govt that is for our troops being over there...
and then:
Tried to discredit polls.
so now i ask you: Have you conducted you own poll or have you talked to every Iraqi?
Because if you haven't you are talking straight out your ass.
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Well thanks for the lively debate, would love to sit here all day and go back and forth, but I have to take off for now, take care...
back peddle.........
wish i could find a video of a back peddler. ;D
Have a nice day.
BTW i am very much against the war. I'm just not living in fantasy land.
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Wife wanted double cheeseburgers from mcds...That place sucks monkey balls....
Lets just say Iraq freed us from our dictator Pres. Bush and decided after, to police our streets, build a huge embassy, the largest in the world, and call our nation a terrorist nation....Meanwhile the tragedies of the Iraqi occupation was paved with blood of innocent americans...Would you find a American in support of the Iraqi occupation? Oh yeah, Iraqi Americans would sit on their fat asses and say that what Iraq is doing is noble and freeing us from an evil dictator is all that matters...
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Wife wanted double cheeseburgers from mcds...That place sucks monkey balls....
Lets just say Iraq freed us from our dictator Pres. Bush and decided after, to police our streets, build a huge embassy, the largest in the world, and call our nation a terrorist nation....Meanwhile the tragedies of the Iraqi occupation was paved with blood of innocent americans...Would you find a American in support of the Iraqi occupation? Oh yeah, Iraqi Americans would sit on their fat asses and say that what Iraq is doing is noble and freeing us from an evil dictator is all that matters...
You would.
There were plenty of people who supported the German occupation of France.
I'm not denying that many if not most want the USA out or would prefer them out. All I'm saying is there are Iraqis who are prospering one way or another with America and believe in the "democracy" we are selling.
BTW: Watch "Super-Size Me". You might never want Micky-Dee's Again.
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You would.
There were plenty of people who supported the German occupation of France.
I'm not denying that many if not most want the USA out or would prefer them out. All I'm saying is there are Iraqis who are prospering one way or another with America and believe in the "democracy" we are selling.
BTW: Watch "Super-Size Me". You might never want Micky-Dee's Again.
Honestly, that makes sense...Those making profits from the occupation surely like what is going on....
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Honestly, that makes sense...Those making profits from the occupation surely like what is going on....
And if you think about it what does anyone in any country want? They just want to be able to prosper, have basic freedoms, have some say in government, have equal opportunities and have their families be safe. And most, deep down don't really care what that life comes disguised as: Democracy or otherwise.
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And if you think about it what does anyone in any country want? They just want to be able to prosper, have basic freedoms, have some say in government, have equal opportunities and have their families be safe. And most, deep down don't really care what that life comes disguised as: Democracy or otherwise.
What are you really saying?
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What are you really saying?
I'm just saying, that's all people really want. The rest is fluff. If i was an Iraqi, that's all I'd really want. Here in the USA, we take that for granted and as a result we get all worked up over shit like "Spy-gate and steroids" I've lived in a third world country under Marshall law, that was 30 years ago, now it's a 2nd world country. But the fact remains, at the core, we just want to live our lives and raise our families with freedoms, equal rights, opportunity, safety, etc...
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I'm just saying, that's all people really want. The rest is fluff. If i was an Iraqi, that's all I'd really want. Here in the USA, we take that for granted and as a result we get all worked up over shit like "Spy-gate and steroids" I've lived in a third world country under Marshall law, that was 30 years ago, now it's a 2nd world country. But the fact remains, at the core, we just want to live our lives and raise our families with freedoms, equal rights, opportunity, safety, etc...
OH ok, i thought you were saying loosely that a firm democracy is not really needed, just safety and relative freedom....
A free market economy is not conducive to a free society wanting the same freedoms as anyone else it seems...The millions in our society working on min wage, isnt ideal for personal freedom is it....
In a supposed democracy, the majority has the say on what goes...Well, the majority of americans have sucky jobs that pay crap...So where is the representation for all of them? Even the ones that get paid well, are so far in debt that their freedom is also limited....
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OH ok, i thought you were saying loosely that a firm democracy is not really needed, just safety and relative freedom....
A free market economy is not conducive to a free society wanting the same freedoms as anyone else it seems...The millions in our society working on min wage, isnt ideal for personal freedom is it....
In a supposed democracy, the majority has the say on what goes...Well, the majority of americans have sucky jobs that pay crap...So where is the representation for all of them? Even the ones that get paid well, are so far in debt that their freedom is also limited....
Striking the right balance is very hard to do. I think no matter what system or regulations you put in place there will always be winners and losers.
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Striking the right balance is very hard to do. I think no matter what system or regulations you put in place there will always be winners and losers.
Unfortuneatly is that pretty much a cold hard fact....
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Saw a Cuban doc last week and it seemed that a big majority of Cubans love their govt..They do not like living in poverty but they made a point that even if they came over to America, they would most likely live in poverty, and how is that better then where they are? They have a different view of life over there where you have the basic essentials in life, and well over there, a car is not essential...They say the way its set up over there, if you want more out of life in the material sense that you basically have to move away and start fresh...
They watch the our hollywood movies over there and think all is sunshine and full of freedom...The ones that leave and wash up our shores find out differently....Many Cubans have made it to America and inform their remaining families what its like over here and they know the truth then...Ill try to find the doc...
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Saw a Cuban doc last week and it seemed that a big majority of Cubans love their govt..They do not like living in poverty but they made a point that even if they came over to America, they would most likely live in poverty, and how is that better then where they are? They have a different view of life over there where you have the basic essentials in life, and well over there, a car is not essential...They say the way its set up over there, if you want more out of life in the material sense that you basically have to move away and start fresh...
They watch the our hollywood movies over there and think all is sunshine and full of freedom...The ones that leave and wash up our shores find out differently....Many Cubans have made it to America and inform their remaining families what its like over here and they know the truth then...Ill try to find the doc...
Then there is the other side of the coin. Many immigrants have come to thins country and made a wonderful life through hard work and prudent saving and investing. I see it all the time in California.
I think to a certain extent, our society preaches victim-ology. I acknowledge that the playing field is uneven, but the opportunity is still there. I think we must always strive to make it as even as possible.
However, anyone can make it if they are willing to do what is needed.
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Then there is the other side of the coin. Many immigrants have come to thins country and made a wonderful life through hard work and prudent saving and investing. I see it all the time in California.
I think to a certain extent, our society preaches victim-ology. I acknowledge that the playing field is uneven, but the opportunity is still there. I think we must always strive to make it as even as possible.
However, anyone can make it if they are willing to do what is needed.
http://www.linktv.org/programs/hasta
That link is just a preview, could not find the movie on youtube or google....
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http://www.linktv.org/programs/hasta
That link is just a preview, could not find the movie on youtube or google....
Well they just got cell phones. Next they'll have Cuban Idol. >:( And it will kill their pain. ;D
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Caleb Campbell isn't going to Iraq either.
And he's being treated like a 'hero'.
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Caleb Campbell isn't going to Iraq either.
And he's being treated like a 'hero'.
He isn't disobeying any orders or violating the UCMJ:
Campbell will enter the NFL through an Army policy that allows highly regarded athletes to turn pro after their graduation from West Point. This policy, enacted in 2005, a year after Campbell entered the academy as a plebe, allows the athlete to serve a portion of his military service obligation as a recruiter. Cadets who do not play intercollegiate revenue sports, by comparison, have a five year service obligation in the branch they selected at graduation; the higher your rank, the more likely you get the branch you want.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/61947
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Kids!!!!.......... just say No to drugs & Illegal occupations.