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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Boost on May 17, 2008, 01:58:37 PM
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Take two Olympians, Ronnie and Dorian. What did they have in Common?
They both trained in Hardcore gyms and never Succumbed to the Glitz and Glamour of the "bodybuilding scene" the so called Mecca, Venice beach Calafornia. Their chosen gyms, Temple Gym Birmingham and Metroflex Texas were devoid of wannabes and ass kissers trying to be "something". These two men didn't have guys telling them they were great. They did not "hit up" the clubs and crave the attention of others. As Ronnie puts it "Nothing to it, but to do it!"
Flex and Chris....Some of the best genetics EVER, "Should of, Would have, Could have". This phrase sums up these guys. I believe the Venice Beach lifestyle got the BETTER OF THEM, The partying, the fast cars, The hanger's on telling them they were incredible. These two men were so wrapped up in the social scene of the Mecca, that they forgot what it takes to be a real champion.....BLOOD AND GUTS.......not bullshit materialistic garbage or social status.
Dorian said it best "Flex Wheeler didn't have the mental capacity to be a Mr Olympia"
Opinions?
Compare this garbage to Ronnie or Dorian's Training, and it soon becomes apparent why flex never amounted to the sum of his genetic potential.
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yeah, sorry but you're a fag.quit livin in the past. plus, flex and chris were top teir competitors...they were the best they could be quit whining.
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who gives a shit ? its juiced up men in thongs posing for old queens.
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yeah, sorry but you're a fag.quit livin in the past. plus, flex and chris were top teir competitors...they were the best they could be quit whining.
Really? haha
If Cormier had thrown his cellphone away and stopped partying in Amsterdam......then he could have taken Dorian up on his offer and trained in England for a year...away from the bullshit. Chris is the definition of wasted potential. "best they could be".....please ;D
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Maybe they needed workout partners that screamed "SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE IT!" at the top of their lungs?
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Really? haha
If Cormier had thrown his cellphone away and stopped partying in Amsterdam......then he could have taken Dorian up on his offer and trained in England for a year...away from the bullshit. Chris is the definition of wasted potential. "best they could be".....please ;D
What i mean is, thats not the type of poeple they are. Its not what happened. We can go back and say what if this , what if that, but thats not how it was. whereas wiht dorian and ronnnie, they ARE the type to bust ass. whatever i dont know what im sayin anymore ima go take a nap.
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lol, flex had a tiny neck, so out of proportion with his body,
how many pros train their neck specifically? i dont see many with pencil necks like flex
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Really? haha
If Cormier had thrown his cellphone away and stopped partying in Amsterdam......then he could have taken Dorian up on his offer and trained in England for a year...away from the bullshit. Chris is the definition of wasted potential. "best they could be".....please ;D
Yeah, I hear ya, Arnold, Franco, Sergio, Draper, Viator, Mentzer Bros, Serge, Corney, Christian, Paris....training at the mecca was a disaster for all of them.
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Yeah, I hear ya, Arnold, Franco, Sergio, Draper, Viator, Mentzer Bros, Serge, Corney, Christian, Paris....training at the mecca was a disaster for all of them.
Draper=ex-drug addict
Mentzer Bros=ex-organisms
Christian=Crip
Paris=FM side of the dial
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Draper=ex-drug addict
Mentzer Bros=ex-organisms
Christian=Crip
Paris=FM side of the dial
Draper=Mr. America, Mr. Universe
Mentzer Bros= Mr. America's, Mr. Universe
Christian= National Champ, World Champ
Paris= National Champ, World Champ
There, fixed.
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Yeah, I hear ya, Arnold, Franco, Sergio, Draper, Viator, Mentzer Bros, Serge, Corney, Christian, Paris....training at the mecca was a disaster for all of them.
Sure the Mecca in the 70's and 80's was great. until the posers of the 90's arrived. It's the last place to be if u are serious about getting things done. Talk about distractions.
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Its not like all those Olympias were uncontested. Granted 92-93 years of Yates 1998,2002, 2003, 2005 years of Ronnie. Many others could have won those other years it was a judges opinion. No Chris never deserved an Olympia onstage but definitely an Arnold Classic or two and Flex deserves the 1999 Olympia. Levrone should have 2-3. Shawn should have 1994 and Nasser should have 1997, Cutler 2001
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Coca cola and white women ruined em.
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Good post.
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I do agree to some extent that if Flex trained in an environment that didn't have the "distractions" that Venice did, he would have won maybe 2-3 more Arnold Classics, and possibly have won the O. But that clip of him, joking around at 1 week out from the O, does show some brevity and personality to the whole bbing scene. Also Flex wasn't lifting heavy...if you've seen the vid, when he's training his arms, he talks about "coming back from a tear". He tore his biceps (don't which one), so one week out, he's not going to train very heavy and risk injury.
Also Flex was a light-weight for his height of 5-10. Most bbers at that height were 245-280, he looked best at 216-225. A world of a difference to his competitors, so the amount of weight he would push probably is comparable to his weight.
Cormier did try to remove himself, i think he moved to Vegas (more distractions) and that coke-head blond (Amho Hight) that he has a kid with, doesn't help .i
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bodybuilding is a pathetic sport
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The op is close but not quite right. Gold's Venice made those guys as well, but Gold's Venice in the 90's could be a dangerous place. Lots of temptations... lots of roads to choose from...
IMO, Gold's Gym Venice made more people than it ruined.
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I do agree to some extent that if Flex trained in an environment that didn't have the "distractions" that Venice did, he would have won maybe 2-3 more Arnold Classics, and possibly have won the O. But that clip of him, joking around at 1 week out from the O, does show some brevity and personality to the whole bbing scene. Also Flex wasn't lifting heavy...if you've seen the vid, when he's training his arms, he talks about "coming back from a tear". He tore his biceps (don't which one), so one week out, he's not going to train very heavy and risk injury.
Also Flex was a light-weight for his height of 5-10. Most bbers at that height were 245-280, he looked best at 216-225. A world of a difference to his competitors, so the amount of weight he would push probably is comparable to his weight.
Cormier did try to remove himself, i think he moved to Vegas (more distractions) and that coke-head blond (Amho Hight) that he has a kid with, doesn't help .i
Flex never tore his bicep. Ever.
As for training heavy-no one does the weeks before a show-they are too weak from the diet.
Last, Flex never competed at 216 in the pro's....it is possioble he was 225, bit more likely 230......250 for his last show.
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Flex never tore his bicep. Ever.
As for training heavy-no one does the weeks before a show-they are too weak from the diet.
Last, Flex never competed at 216 in the pro's....it is possioble he was 225, bit more likely 230......250 for his last show.
not true.
i know alot of guys 3-5 weeks out who are stronger at this point of their prep than the start of it.
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not true.
i know alot of guys 3-5 weeks out who are stronger at this point of their prep than the start of it.
Wow, not me.......
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Wow, not me.......
some guys keep their calories high thru their prep, and by 8 weeks out you have added in fina and winstrol into your stack which you feel start turning the tires after 2 weeks or so.
it's pretty common place to grow into your prep, as opposed to cutting down.
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yeah, sorry but you're a fag.quit livin in the past. plus, flex and chris were top teir competitors...they were the best they could be quit whining.
You are NEVER the 'best you can be'.
Never.
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yaaaa if chris and ken trained at a curves in fucken Nebraska they would of done soooo much more in bodybuilding
these 2 didn't accomplish shit! ::)
i also want to say that the chicago bulls "scene" ruined Jordan!
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I'd like to think that Yates and Coleman would have made it even if they trained at Gold's Venice. I wonder if Chris and Flex would have even gotten as far as they did had they trained elsewhere-they might have been overwhelmed by the attitude in those other gyms. I trained at Golds Venice for a couple of years and it's a real fun and light hearted gym-definitely not the same atmosphere as Metroflex and Temple seem to have(I haven't been to them though).
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Flex never tore his bicep. Ever.
As for training heavy-no one does the weeks before a show-they are too weak from the diet.
Last, Flex never competed at 216 in the pro's....it is possioble he was 225, bit more likely 230......250 for his last show.
Flex won the 1993 Arnold at 216, he was 218 for the 1993 O, he was about 220-ish when the vid was shot. He won the 1997 Arnold at 224, and was at the 1996 O at 227ish.
So, Flex stating that he tore his bicep in his book is lying. And When he says in that video that was done one week from the O, in which he says "...it shows how you can come back from a tear too...", in which he is working his bis, is coincidence?
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Flex won the 1993 Arnold at 216, he was 218 for the 1993 O, he was about 220-ish when the vid was shot. He won the 1997 Arnold at 224, and was at the 1996 O at 227ish.
So, Flex stating that he tore his bicep in his book is lying. And When he says in that video that was done one week from the O, in which he says "...it shows how you can come back from a tear too...", in which he is working his bis, is coincidence?
Yes, Flex never tore his bicep. That would be HUIGE news in the BBing world. Every pro that tears ANYTHING has it spashed all over the mags.
I have his book right in front of me, what page is his"tear" on????? And we know Flex never lies about anything...cough...ninja attack...cough, cough. ;D
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Draper=Mr. America, Mr. Universe
Mentzer Bros= Mr. America's, Mr. Universe
Christian= National Champ, World Champ
Paris= National Champ, World Champ
There, fixed.
How is it fixed? The negativity is these guys lives-in some cases no longer living- far outweighs the chintzy trophies they may have won in a chemically assisted homo fest bodybuilding contest.
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Flex and Chris....Some of the best genetics EVER, "Should of, Would have, Could have". This phrase sums up these guys.
should of?...could have?...
is it not.....could have....would have ?
there seems to be more than 10 ppl on this forum that make that mistake....
what the fuk is the problem here....
you actually used it in 1 breath then used proper grammar in the 2nd
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How is it fixed? The negativity is these guys lives-in some cases no longer living- far outweighs the chintzy trophies they may have won in a chemically assisted homo fest bodybuilding contest.
Your bullshit was fixed.
Hope it helped. ::)
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Yes, Flex never tore his bicep. That would be HUIGE news in the BBing world. Every pro that tears ANYTHING has it spashed all over the mags.
I have his book right in front of me, what page is his"tear" on????? And we know Flex never lies about anything...cough...ninja attack...cough, cough. ;D
Page 66 in the soft cover book. He said he tore his left bicep, and it went "psssst". The Chapter is called Love and Loss. Supposedly he tore a pec as well. Now, Flex didn't include the "ninja" attack, it was actually several Asian men with nunchunkus or "screaming sticks" is how the story went as it was told in 1997., because it was false...
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Man, I had that book sitting on my coffee lamp table and now it is gone......I will find it and then comment, hang tight.
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Your bullshit was fixed.
Hope it helped. ::)
Get bent, sword swallower.
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Get bent, sword swallower.
LOL...OK RedMeatEater...... ::)
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you mean those 20 pound laterals are not hardcore enough for you?
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I have his book right in front of me, what page is his"tear" on????? And we know Flex never lies about anything...cough...ninja attack...cough, cough. ;D
You bought his book? Nice job of Owning yourself with that one.
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You know, Temple gym's a fucking great place to train, but I'd love to train in Gold's Venice just to see what training in a place that big and famous would be like.
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You bought his book? Nice job of Owning yourself with that one.
I bought it for $3 plus $3 shipping on Amazon.
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I bought it for $3 plus $3 shipping on Amazon.
So did you find your book and read page 66?
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boost
excellent post
totally agree with you
cormier and flex were 2 who were lazy, over relied on drugs , didnt train hard and coasted on superior genetics
cormier loved to use rec drugs and party hard................not exactly conducive to optimum muscle growth
imagine if they had applied themselves like coleman or yates!
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boost
excellent post
totally agree with you
cormier and flex were 2 who were lazy, over relied on drugs , didnt train hard and coasted on superior genetics
cormier loved to use rec drugs and party hard................not exactly conducive to optimum muscle growth
imagine if they had applied themselves like coleman or yates!
Hmm, lets see. Cormier is the one who is known for throwing serious weight around. He actually beat Jay Cutler at every Arnold. But Jay was given it...He totally crushed Hay, better shape, conditions and muscle. After playing the bridesmaid for 6 years at the Arnold, some say Cormier just lost the motivation. He won the Ironman 6 times, but with the Arnold, how many times do you have to beat your head against the wall...
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So did you find your book and read page 66?
I cannot fucking find it and it is pissing me off, might have to spend another $3 to get the answer......
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1401901743/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1211163250&sr=1-6
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Flex reached his potential believe me, he maybe could have trained harder but he took everything else to the limit and beyond, it did cost him a kidney, Cormier pretty well much the same, didnt matter whether he partied or behaved he maxed out around the 245lb any heavier and he would hold water, didnt much matter if he was in the gym or nightclubbing during the prep, so you could say he got to his potential as well.
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Flex reached his potential believe me, he maybe could have trained harder but he took everything else to the limit and beyond, it did cost him a kidney, Cormier pretty well much the same, didnt matter whether he partied or behaved he maxed out around the 245lb any heavier and he would hold water, didnt much matter if he was in the gym or nightclubbing during the prep, so you could say he got to his potential as well.
I agree, I think Flex could have gotten a slightly wider back, or a bigger chest, but that is it. Cormier was hitting at 250+, and was owning shows, they just f him over too many times.
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Flex reached his potential believe me, he maybe could have trained harder but he took everything else to the limit and beyond, it did cost him a kidney, Cormier pretty well much the same, didnt matter whether he partied or behaved he maxed out around the 245lb any heavier and he would hold water, didnt much matter if he was in the gym or nightclubbing during the prep, so you could say he got to his potential as well.
AGREED ...if u win 5 or more pro shows i'd say you hit your bbing potential..
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Jay easily beat Chris at the Arnold... ::)
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Jay easily beat Chris at the Arnold... ::)
Are you serious?????
In those pics it looks to me like CC is the best.