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A part from Moosejay,Who are the jingoist here?
Please let me know.
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Likely not many, Ky, but some are but they don't know it
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Likely not many, Ky, but some are but they don't know it
You are right. Just i wanted to know how many are concious of theirselves.
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what does that mean? Gay?
yeah moose fits that description, haha j/k
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what does that mean? Gay?
yeah moose fits that description, haha j/k
Dont start hating and meth this thread. I am serious about this theme.
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what does that mean? Gay?
yeah moose fits that description, haha j/k
No, youandme.
I have always liked your avatar, actually.
And you can look it up...eductae yourself and help strengthen America (A semi-jingoistic statement-hint)
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eductae yourself and help strengthen America (A semi-jingoistic statement-hint)
Awesome very nice!!
Count me as one ;D
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(http://www.muralmaster.org/writings/AmerProp/024.jpg)
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While I believe that many people use patriotism to compensate themselves for their own shortcomings, the many haters out there who are always bashing America are doing the exact same thing.
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It's only the socially maladjusted who are proud of being jingoists.
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It's only the socially maladjusted who are proud of being jingoists.
Intersting opinion.
Can you explain bit more details why you think so?
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The crowd who has the whole "my country is better than yours" attitude in a manner resembling the way one might root for a home sports team, who will blindly support any policy of our government even if wrong, or who assumes everyone outside of America is living in some mud hut without knowing anything about the country in question is ignorant.
However, legitimate criticism, even harsh criticism, of another culture if you actually know something about that culture, or support of American government policies that you have thought through and agree with is not jingoism.
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Intersting opinion.
Can you explain bit more details why you think so?
Seems like it's mostly the "My life sucks, but my country is great" crowd that subscribe to such a philosophy.
Similar to the poor whites who rationalize their miserable existences with a "at least I'm white"
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(http://www.muralmaster.org/writings/AmerProp/024.jpg)
Yes!
I love it!
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Seems like it's mostly the "My life sucks, but my country is great" crowd that subscribe to such a philosophy.
Similar to the poor whites who rationalize their miserable existences with a "at least I'm white"
ANY action is better than sitting on the sidelines and complaining, and taking NO action.
It takes all kinds.
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I'm happy that America freed us from the germans in WWII.
+ : American order is far better than russian.
When the russians commanded the eastern part of Austria all hell broke loose... rape, murder, theft, fistfights... the Wodka-men are brutes.
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I'm happy that America freed us from the germans in WWII.
+ : American order is far better than russian.
When the russians commanded the eastern part of Austria all hell broke loose... rape, murder, theft, fistfights... the Wodka-men are brutes.
Most have it too good here in the US to appreciate this.
Talk to some WW 2 vets before they are all gone.
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The crowd who has the whole "my country is better than yours" attitude in a manner resembling the way one might root for a home sports team, who will blindly support any policy of our government even if wrong, or who assumes everyone outside of America is living in some mud hut without knowing anything about the country in question is ignorant.
However, legitimate criticism, even harsh criticism, of another culture if you actually know something about that culture, or support of American government policies that you have thought through and agree with is not jingoism.
Agreed.
Saying a particular country is "the best" is meaningless. Best how? Best standard of living? Best economy? Least crime? It would be much more accurate if people would say, "I prefer to live in X." In general, people's nationalist bent is inversely proportional to their educational and financial soundness.
Talking to a nationalist is like talking to a cult member. Logic and reasoning play no part. Their only goal in the conversation is to repeat the 'ol human dynamic of mine's-better-than-yours, which can be observed in all sorts of conversations: whose mechanic is the bigger rip off artist, whose doctor is more thorough, who had the worse flu, who is more unwilling to "stoop to that level," etc. Most of their enjoyment comes from playing this game and hearing themselves talk. Does this remind you of anyone on Getbig?
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Agreed.
Saying a particular country is "the best" is meaningless. Best how? Best standard of living? Best economy? Least crime? It would be much more accurate if people would say, "I prefer to live in X." In general, people's nationalist bent is inversely proportional to their educational and financial soundness.
Talking to a nationalist is like talking to a cult member. Logic and reasoning play no part. Their only goal in the conversation is to repeat the 'ol human dynamic of mine's-better-than-yours, which can be observed in all sorts of conversations: whose mechanic is the bigger rip off artist, whose doctor is more thorough, who had the worse flu, who is more unwilling to "stoop to that level," etc. Most of their enjoyment comes from playing this game and hearing themselves talk. Does this remind you of anyone on Getbig?
Liberals....ho hum
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Liberals....ho hum
Actually, I agree with everything Tapeworm said, and I'm far from Liberal.
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Liberals....ho hum
Translation: He's got me pegged.
I'm a-political as far as I'm able.
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I'm a ME-ist.
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Agreed.
Saying a particular country is "the best" is meaningless. Best how? Best standard of living? Best economy? Least crime? It would be much more accurate if people would say, "I prefer to live in X." In general, people's nationalist bent is inversely proportional to their educational and financial soundness.
Talking to a nationalist is like talking to a cult member. Logic and reasoning play no part. Their only goal in the conversation is to repeat the 'ol human dynamic of mine's-better-than-yours, which can be observed in all sorts of conversations: whose mechanic is the bigger rip off artist, whose doctor is more thorough, who had the worse flu, who is more unwilling to "stoop to that level," etc. Most of their enjoyment comes from playing this game and hearing themselves talk. Does this remind you of anyone on Getbig?
Awesome post. This Swedish American prefers living in both the States and Sweden, and hopefully other countries as well in the future. The only thing I can think of that I really wouldn't want to do is live in just one country.
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Seems like it's mostly the "My life sucks, but my country is great" crowd that subscribe to such a philosophy.
Similar to the poor whites who rationalize their miserable existences with a "at least I'm white"
Hmmm, that does not make any sense. May need to hit the psych books harder and look for the real menaing of ethnocentrism. And the miserable existence of life has nothing to do with color,,,that miserable existence is Thomas Hobbes The Leviathian, in which a man makes his own steps...but with his country behind him.
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Agreed.
Saying a particular country is "the best" is meaningless. Best how? Best standard of living? Best economy? Least crime? It would be much more accurate if people would say, "I prefer to live in X." In general, people's nationalist bent is inversely proportional to their educational and financial soundness.
What? It would be directly proportional, not inversely. The product of nationalism increases as other factors are increasing
This is the inverse you would be talking about n= e/f
This is correct, directly proportional n = e * f
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Hmmm, that does not make any sense. May need to hit the psych books harder and look for the real menaing of ethnocentrism. And the miserable existence of life has nothing to do with color (that statement all around portrays your lack of knowledge on such said subjects) that miserable existence is Thomas Hobbes The Leviathian, in which a man makes his own steps...but with his country behind him.
hit the books your philosophy is a bit rusty
It makes sence a lot to me.
People always try to make their existance sure which is consisting their ego.
If a guy with no hability exist, he try to find out whatever to justify his existance.
And a example is: I am a white and white is the best race on this planet!(I have to say this, because i dont have anything to be proud of)
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idiots, lets talk about pussy instead ::)
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More!
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Hmmm, that does not make any sense. May need to hit the psych books harder and look for the real menaing of ethnocentrism. And the miserable existence of life has nothing to do with color,,,that miserable existence is Thomas Hobbes The Leviathian, in which a man makes his own steps...but with his country behind him.
I'm guessing you're solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. ;)
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It makes sence a lot to me.
People always try to make their existance sure which is consisting their ego.
If a guy with no hability exist, he try to find out whatever to justify his existance.
And a example is: I am a white and white is the best race on this planet!(I have to say this, because i dont have anything to be proud of)
Kyomu...I have no idea if you foot the kind of tax bill that I do...but when I see places like Myanmar taking our Rations that we send them in their current crisis...and their Junta taking US labels off our boxes and putting their own on...well...I am inclined to say "Fuck them..."
Has your country pulled any other country's ass out of the fire lately?
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What? It would be directly proportional, not inversely. The product of nationalism increases as other factors are increasing
This is the inverse you would be talking about n= e/f
This is correct, directly proportional n = e * f
I think what he's trying to say is as education and income goes up, nationalism goes down. If that's the case, inverse would be the correct term.
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I'm guessing you're solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. ;)
Ha!
But he has the best avatar!
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BOOOOOOO for patriotism. i dont worship any flag.
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BOOOOOOO for patriotism. i dont worship any flag.
Don't get yourself drafted, kid.
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Don't get yourself drafted, kid.
i guess is scored really well on the military tests they have us take in high school and the guy calls non stop trying me to be a nuclear engineer.. whatever the fuck that is.. the only position i would tak would be if they were like " yo we want you to fly ou jets" then i would for sure
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i guess is scored really well on the military tests they have us take in high school and the guy calls non stop trying me to be a nuclear engineer.. whatever the fuck that is.. the only position i would tak would be if they were like " yo we want you to fly ou jets" then i would for sure
Some programs pay for college...snag that if you can...I paid over 100K back
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Some programs pay for college...snag that if you can...I paid over 100K back
if i was interested in college i might..
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It makes sence a lot to me.
People always try to make their existance sure which is consisting their ego.
If a guy with no hability exist, he try to find out whatever to justify his existance.
And a example is: I am a white and white is the best race on this planet!(I have to say this, because i dont have anything to be proud of)
I see, so conformity is less of an existence? But is one person enough to even exist?
I think what he's trying to say is as education and income goes up, nationalism goes down. If that's the case, inverse would be the correct term.
Yea I know that is what he meant, but i don't see it like that. After the British Industrialization, education and income went up with it nationalism.
Then the same happend with France and Germany, later America.
You can't have nationalism unless you are proud of something and have the means to support it and the education to know what your in favor of.
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Kyomu...I have no idea if you foot the kind of tax bill that I do...but when I see places like Myanmar taking our Rations that we send them in their current crisis...and their Junta taking US labels off our boxes and putting their own on...well...I am inclined to say "Fuck them..."
Has your country pulled any other country's ass out of the fire lately?
I understand you. but the war is the actitvity that any fool can take. If you are an inteligent person,before fighting with anger,try to use strategy to avoid the death of your soldiers and waisting your money and accomplish your external purpose.
But telling the truth,your ruler(jewish) are quite good at this. They organize war but with complicate plan and hide these plans with the artficial justice.
In reality,these rulers want to avoid war, but they cant do it for now. They organize war but nothing jingoist or patriot like you. Their way of thinking is much more grobal than you think.
See what happen in the iraq gate scandal.
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I see, so conformity is less of an existence? But is one person enough to even exist?
We are talking about our ego or identity.
You have your ego. Its very easy to prove it.
If you are a 300lbs 30% bf, maybe you dont have ball to post your pic.
Why? You will never die with getbig criticism... But why?
Maybe You will get angry if somebody tell you "You are nothing.".
Why?
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We are talking about our ego or identity.
You have your ego. Its very easy to prove it.
If you are a 300lbs 30% bf, maybe you dont have ball to post your pic.
Why? You will never die with getbig criticism... But why?
Maybe You will get angry if somebody tell you "You are nothing.".
Why?
spotlight conciousness = ego.. you must use your floodlight.. like when driving a car and talking on the cell phone and listening to music... this is floodlight... spot light is like atching t.v. or paying sole attention to one speaqker
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Kyomu...I have no idea if you foot the kind of tax bill that I do...but when I see places like Myanmar taking our Rations that we send them in their current crisis...and their Junta taking US labels off our boxes and putting their own on...well...I am inclined to say "Fuck them..."
Has your country pulled any other country's ass out of the fire lately?
Oh I remeber one thing, Chrysler did exactly what you said to the japanese car in 1988-90 around their. They put their emblem and thats it.
They were so notorious about it and Chrysler directors never used money for developing their car but only their salary.
And even more impressive was try to force japan to buy their car using Bush senior.Hahahahaha!
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spotlight conciousness = ego.. you must use your floodlight.. like when driving a car and talking on the cell phone and listening to music... this is floodlight... spot light is like atching t.v. or paying sole attention to one speaqker
You surprise me a lot. How did you know it? Very good.
Our spotlight conciousness is the origin of all our mental problem. but Its inevitable.
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Yea I know that is what he meant, but i don't see it like that. After the British Industrialization, education and income went up with it nationalism.
Then the same happend with France and Germany, later America.
You can't have nationalism unless you are proud of something and have the means to support it and the education to know what your in favor of.
I think you were talking about two different things. You are correct that a successful society will be more nationalistic (as a whole) than an unsuccessful one, but I think he was talking about less sucessful people in a successful society. Who is more likely to be nationalistic: an unemployed steelworker in the midwest or a harvard lawyer? Just from observation, you can see it is the blue-collar types who are always waving the flag around, not educated professionals.
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I think you were talking about two different things. You are correct that a successful society will be more nationalistic (as a whole) than an unsuccessful one, but I think he was talking about less sucessful people in a successful society. Who is more likely to be nationalistic: an unemployed steelworker in the midwest or a harvard lawyer? Just from observation, you can see it is the blue-collar types who are always waving the flag around, not educated professionals.
Not necessarily true.
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You surprise me a lot. How did you know it? Very good.
Our spotlight conciousness is the origin of all our mental problem. but Its inevitable.
lol, kyomu.. i sense you would have understood that.
i have taken alot of diiferent drugs in my time and they sort of open up your mind to this kind of thing. and also i meditate sometimes
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I think you were talking about two different things. You are correct that a successful society will be more nationalistic (as a whole) than an unsuccessful one, but I think he was talking about less sucessful people in a successful society. Who is more likely to be nationalistic: an unemployed steelworker in the midwest or a harvard lawyer? Just from observation, you can see it is the blue-collar types who are always waving the flag around, not educated professionals.
Bingo. Generally, the lower someone's education and income, the greater their insistence that their country is "the greatest country on earth." Of course it's "not necessarily true." There are plenty of exceptions, but I'll bet you can get an indignant "Oh yeah? Well love it or leave it buddy." a lot faster in some shitkicker bar in Omaha than you would for an identical criticism in a yacht club in Bar Harbor. I should note that this behavior is not uniquely American. I have seen it in the UK and Australia as well.
This sort of rabid nationalism (which is frequently accompanied by racism in varying degrees) and unwillingness to question, criticise, or even make an effort to get more informed, is not patriotism as I see it and it's not what the Founding Fathers had in mind. Sadly, most of the working classes are living proof of Churchhill's assertion that "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." It's disappointing.