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Title: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 20, 2008, 03:29:39 PM
what would us getbigers do with our imagration problem????
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: calmus on May 20, 2008, 03:41:46 PM
what would us getbigers do with our imagration problem????

Start by kicking out the dumbfucks who don't even know how to use their first language.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Camel Jockey on May 20, 2008, 04:02:52 PM
Start by kicking out the dumbfucks who don't even know how to use their first language.

lol

He should pay a Mexican to come up with topics.  :)
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 20, 2008, 04:10:15 PM
Start by kicking out the dumbfucks who don't even know how to use their first language.

what would us getbigers do with our imagration problem????


Good thing there isn't a spelling test for citizenship verification.   ;D
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: War-Horse on May 20, 2008, 04:11:13 PM
hahaha.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 20, 2008, 04:17:44 PM
The 3 main groups that want us to do nothing about all the illegals here, (except amnesty)

1. Politicians :
 a.) who think by doing what is right, ( no amnesty)  will cost them the hispanic vote, and then lose their seat in Washington
 b.) that are members of the CFR,  who want a North American Union (which will destroy the middle class)

( McCain, Clinton and Obama, fall under both a and b )


2. The Catholic Church, who likes the fact that most of the illegals coming here from Mexico are fellow Catholics

3. Big Business owners, who like the cheap labor.

But even though this is ruining America, don't count on anything being done.

Just go to any Emergency room  and take a look at all the illegals their using services for free, with never a thought of paying for it,
( leaving the tab for you and me to pay ) while Americans have to sit all day, to see a doctor,  even though most have Insurance and will pay for their usage.  And because of this, 100's of Hospitals are now on the verge of closing.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 20, 2008, 04:20:37 PM
The 3 main groups that want us to do nothing about all the illegals here, (except amnesty)

1. Politicians :
 a.) who think by doing what is right, ( no amnesty)  will cost them the hispanic vote, and then lose their seat in Washington
 b.) that are members of the CFR,  who want a North American Union (which will destroy the middle class)

2. The Catholic Church, who likes the fact that most of the illegals coming here from Mexico are fellow Catholics

3. Big Business owners, who like the cheap labor.

But even though this is ruining America, don't count on anything being done.

Just go to any Emergency room  and take a look at all the illegals their using services for free, with never a thought of paying for it,
( leaving the tab for you and me to pay ) while  Americans have to sit all day, to see a doctor,  even though most have Insurance and will pay for their usage.  And because of this, 100's of Hospitals are now on the verge of closing.

You might be right, but something is going on:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=immigration+raids&btnG=Search (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=immigration+raids&btnG=Search)
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: War-Horse on May 20, 2008, 04:24:50 PM
Mexicans are making better money in mexico now....the cost of living here with lack of work has sent them packing.

We will continue to be downsized and then they will be back in a few years.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 20, 2008, 04:30:26 PM
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Mexicans are making better money in mexico now....the cost of living here with lack of work has sent them packing.

We will continue to be downsized and then they will be back in a few years.

Where do you live ?

Recently in Texas, it has become even worse as of late,  as Arizona and Oklahoma have recently passed laws, making the hiring of illegals against the law,  causing many to move to Texas from those 2 states.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: War-Horse on May 20, 2008, 04:34:34 PM
Where do you live ?

Recently in Texas, it has become even worse as of late,  as Arizona and Oklahoma have recently passed laws, making the hiring of illegals against the law,  causing many to move to Texas from those 2 states.


i actually live outside of las vegas in an upper scale area....our gardeners are gone.... :-\
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 20, 2008, 04:36:20 PM
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i actually live outside of las Vegas in an upper scale area....our gardeners are gone.... Undecided

They moved to Texas   :(
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 21, 2008, 07:06:33 AM
The 3 main groups that want us to do nothing about all the illegals here, (except amnesty)

1. Politicians :
 a.) who think by doing what is right, ( no amnesty)  will cost them the hispanic vote, and then lose their seat in Washington
 b.) that are members of the CFR,  who want a North American Union (which will destroy the middle class)

( McCain, Clinton and Obama, fall under both a and b )


2. The Catholic Church, who likes the fact that most of the illegals coming here from Mexico are fellow Catholics

3. Big Business owners, who like the cheap labor.

But even though this is ruining America, don't count on anything being done.

Just go to any Emergency room  and take a look at all the illegals their using services for free, with never a thought of paying for it,
( leaving the tab for you and me to pay ) while Americans have to sit all day, to see a doctor,  even though most have Insurance and will pay for their usage.  And because of this, 100's of Hospitals are now on the verge of closing.


thanks Eldon....... English is not my first language but i am American and my family waited a long time to get in this country legally..... so my spelling sucks but I'm working on it and trying to learn unlike most mexicans...
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 21, 2008, 11:14:58 AM
Milfer,

America is a better place because of people like you and your family.

What State do you live in  ? 
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 21, 2008, 12:08:19 PM
I live in Sarasota Florida by way of Arezzo, Italy.... thanks it just pisses me off that i still have family waiting to come and they cant.. meanwhile Mexicans are flooding this country illegally, and have the nerve to say they have the right to be here. my family came here to make money, not use and abuse this great country and send all the money back home... I'm not a racist I'm just pissed that it seams like no one cares that we tax paying Americans suffer in every way.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: SuperNatural on May 21, 2008, 07:12:25 PM
Just curious, where do you guys live?  I live about 30 miles from the boarder.  My city has one of the lowest crime rates in the country.  Immigrants play a vital role in agriculture and minial job labor and make only a minimal negative here at the very worst.  Take away the immigrants and my community will collapse, including my job which depends on spanish speaking construction workers.  I'm tired of all these northern politicians talking about topics they have no idea about. 
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 22, 2008, 06:50:34 AM
well all the Mexicans were i live are drunks or coke dealers from Texas...like i said I'm not a racist and some are OK but why cant they just do the right thing and wait till their let in... keep in mind the only Mexicans coming here are the low life's.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 22, 2008, 06:53:11 AM
well all the Mexicans were i live are drunks or coke dealers from Texas...like i said I'm not a racist and some are OK but why cant they just do the right thing and wait till their let in... keep in mind the only Mexicans coming here are the low life's.

Yes, cause where i live ALL the mexicans are hard working tax paying productive members of the community.   That's because only low lifes live where you live.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: SuperNatural on May 22, 2008, 08:15:56 AM
keep in mind the only Mexicans coming here are the low life's.

My sister-in-law is about to get her masters in secondary education.  Her brother serves in the U.S. air force.  Both are from Chihuahua, Mexico.

You're an idiot.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: tonymctones on May 22, 2008, 08:31:17 AM
well all the Mexicans were i live are drunks or coke dealers from Texas...like i said I'm not a racist and some are OK but why cant they just do the right thing and wait till their let in... keep in mind the only Mexicans coming here are the low life's.
LOL thats where they all went...In all seriousness I live in houston, tx and we have a pretty good sized illegal immigrant population, and the vast majority are hard working people, yes there are always those ppl who do stupid shit and affirm stereotypes but milfer im sure if you look around youll see that many are not drunks or drug dealers, i mean look around for yourself not watch the news.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 23, 2008, 08:11:04 AM
Yes, cause where i live ALL the Mexicans are hard working tax paying productive members of the community.  that's because only low liefs live where you live.

 how are they paying taxes if their illegal????  don't get me wrong the Mexicans that have green cards i have no problem with it's the ones coming to this country illegally.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 23, 2008, 08:22:21 AM


Just go to any Emergency room  and take a look at all the illegals their using services for free, with never a thought of paying for it,
( leaving the tab for you and me to pay ) while Americans have to sit all day, to see a doctor,  even though most have Insurance and will pay for their usage.  And because of this, 100's of Hospitals are now on the verge of closing.

well we actually agree on something..i  pay 30% or so in taxes..and its a substantial $ from my paycheck every week..

i live close to a hospital and  i've been to the ER a few times (food poisoning..i eat out a lot)..

anyhow i ws made to wait hours with a horrible stomach ache and the emergency room ws full of mexicans prolly most of em illegal..

plus if you r gonna give amnesty...i'd like my $80k back please which we spent on lawyers for a buziness visa..

THEY R ILLEGALS....shoot a few of em fuckers at the border..that should curb em..
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 08:23:06 AM
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LOL thats where they all went...In all seriousness I live in houston, tx and we have a pretty good sized illegal immigrant population, and the vast majority are hard working people, yes there are always those ppl who do stupid shit and affirm stereotypes but milfer im sure if you look around youll see that many are not drunks or drug dealers, i mean look around for yourself not watch the news.

If you live in Houston, and you don't see the problem the illegals are causing, then you are  either still living with your Mother, or you are a complete buffoon, ( or both)

Just go down to Ben Taub Hospital and see all the illegals  waiting in the emergency room,   The hospital is going under, and each and every illegal has no intentions of paying the Bill, just passing it on to the tax payers (You and Me )

Just go to any public school inside the loop, and see all the overcrowding, , and look at the decreasing level of scores in these school, because of the over crowded rooms, caused by all the Illegals

I have a friend who is a detective for the Houston Police Dept, he almost made more last year in over-time, than he made with his base salary, and he told me it was all related to crimes committed by Mexican illegal Gangs in the city. His salary is around 55,000, so he made close to 55,000 in overtime, trying to solve crime committed by illegals. ( paid for by you and me )


Just this week, was the murder case  involving the Houston Police officer who was shot and killed  by an Illegal Mexican, who was already deported once.

Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 08:30:25 AM
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well we actually agree on something..i  pay 30% or so in taxes..and its a substantial $ from my paycheck every week..

i live close to a hospital and  i've been to the ER a few times (food poisoning..i eat out a lot)..

anyhow i ws made to wait hours with a horrible stomach ache and the emergency room ws full of mexicans prolly most of em illegal..

plus if you r gonna give amnesty...i'd like my $80k back please which we spent on lawyers for a buziness visa..

100 % correct
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: drkaje on May 23, 2008, 08:38:54 AM
Problem is they take jobs at rates Americans would never work for. Cheap labor.

I'd build a wall and put the troops from Iraq at the border. I'd also put the welfare people (and their kids) out in fields picking stuff. :)
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: ToxicAvenger on May 23, 2008, 08:59:03 AM
Problem is they take jobs at rates Americans would never work for. Cheap labor.



once you give em amnesty and make em americans..bye bye cheap rates
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: 240 is Back on May 23, 2008, 09:02:17 AM
I live in Sarasota Florida

I used to live a block from Riverview high school.  beautiful city!
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: youandme on May 23, 2008, 10:54:36 AM
lol

He should pay a Mexican to come up with topics.  :)

lmao, best post of the day.

hah reminds me of a southpark episode. Cartman pays some mexicans to write an essay
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: milfer on May 23, 2008, 11:21:39 AM
I used to live a block from Riverview high school.  beautiful city!
wow what a small world.. where did you live now?
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 11:44:08 AM

The truth :
About a year ago, I.C.E. busted a Meat Packing Company up north, (I think it was Ohio) they were employing over 2000 illegals, that were not only illegal , but were using fake Social Security Numbers. The next day, attorneys for the meat packing plant said the only reason they had hired illegals were no Americans wanted those jobs, But.... then 1 week later the same meat packing company  ran ads to fill those newly opened positions, and guess what ? they had a line that went around the corner and halfway down the block, over 4000 Americans in that town showed up to try and get one of these jobs.

People can believe all the bullshit spread by Big Business, that the only jobs they take are ones not wanted by Americans, but the facts prove other wise.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: drkaje on May 23, 2008, 12:25:23 PM
once you give em amnesty and make em americans..bye bye cheap rates

Polititians aren't gonna do a damn thing so you should all stop wasting time/energy being upset.

It all comes down to simple math: Working people can't afford $4/gal gas and what food would cost if illegals were paid minimum wage. People on welfare lose money and benefits once they go to work.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 02:12:26 PM
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It all comes down to simple math: Working people can't afford $4/gal gas and what food would cost if illegals were paid minimum wage. People on welfare lose money and benefits once they go to work.


The Farmers and Big Factories Owners in the South said the same thing before the Civil War.


You have bit the bait, hook and all,  just as they had hoped   :)

Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: 240 is Back on May 23, 2008, 02:45:37 PM
wow what a small world.. where did you live now?

estero, FL.  just north of naples.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: drkaje on May 23, 2008, 02:53:36 PM

The Farmers and Big Factories Owners in the South said the same thing before the Civil War.


You have bit the bait, hook and all,  just as they had hoped   :)



Are you asserting ending slavery didn't affect the South. Slavery was wrong but there were costs associated with ending it. Just as exploiting the immigrants is wrong but none of us would really be willing to pay the actual price at the grocery store.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 02:59:34 PM
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Are you asserting ending slavery didn't affect the South. Slavery was wrong but there were costs associated with ending it. Just as exploiting the immigrants is wrong but none of us would really be willing to pay the actual price at the grocery store.

are you suggesting that ending slavery would have not been the thing to do ?

And the same holds true for today, Illegals are hurting this Country, but you have bought into all the propaganda being put out by Big Business, that  "America cant make it without illegals", which is the biggest lie told since the South said "America could not make it with out slavery".

Wake the fuck up.


 
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 03:16:00 PM
Illegal immigrants are severally crippling society...

    "Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.

    Because of illegal immigrants, free medical care has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospital are closing their doors forever." -SOURCE

Don't buy the lie that illegals are working the jobs that Americans don't want.  The truth is that no one living in America can live on $2 or $3 an hour, unless you live with twenty or thirty other Mexicans under one roof.  It is evil what is happening to America's LEGAL citizens.  America is being stolen away from it's rightful tax-paying citizens.  And the sickest thing of all is that our own government leaders are selling us out, Democrats and Republicans alike.  There needs to be a trial by the people, and then a hanging in Washington D.C., for the treasonous crimes of our leaders against it's own citizens.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 03:18:56 PM

Illegal Aliens Cause 84 California Hospitals to Close!


Illegal Immigrants are Bankrupting Our Hospitals

Illegal Immigrants are ILLEGAL and are Hurting America!

    Here's some FACTS that the lying U.S. Department of Labor won't tell you... 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

        INVASION USA
        Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system
        Docs journal reports hospitals being closed, previously vanquished diseases being spread

        March 13, 2005 | © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

        Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.

        He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.

        But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.

        The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies."

        While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do [you mean, can't afford to do], the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.

        In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

        "The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."

        According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.

        "Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income."

        In addition, the report says, "many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."

        While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25 percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high as 50 percent.

        Not being insured does not mean they don't get medical care.

        Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.

        "Government imposes viciously stiff fines and penalties on any physician and any hospital refusing to treat any patient that a zealous prosecutor deems an emergency patient, even though the hospital or physician screened and declared the patient's illness or injury non-emergency," says the report. "But government pays neither hospital nor physician for treatments. In addition to the fiscal attack on medical facilities and personnel, EMTALA is a handy truncheon with which to pummel politically unpopular physicians by falsely accusing them of violating EMTALA."

        According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.

        "American hospitals welcome 'anchor babies,'" says the report. "Illegal alien women come to the hospital in labor and drop their little anchors, each of whom pulls its illegal alien mother, father, and siblings into permanent residency simply by being born within our borders. Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare aid: Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

        Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America's medical systems, according to the report, are the Ford Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the National Immigration Law Center, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, the American Bar Association's Commission on Immigration Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, the National Council of La Raza, George Soros's Open Society Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the National Network for Immigration and Refugee Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

        Because drug addiction and alcoholism are classified as diseases and disabilities, the fiscal toll on the health-care system rises.

        When Linda Torres was arrested in Bakersfield, Calif., with about $8,500 in small bills in a sack, the police originally thought it was stolen money, explained the report. It was her Social Security lump sum for her disability -- heroin addiction.

        "Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards," writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. "Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases."

        Many illegals entering this country have tuberculosis, according to the report.

        "That disease had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin," says the report. "TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis. Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This Mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major anti-tubercular drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000 with toxic side effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30 people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later.

        TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when it spiked a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of all new TB cases to 'foreign born' people who have up to eight times higher incidences apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam."

        Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:

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              Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
            *

              Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico.
            *

              Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills.
            *

              Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report.
            *

              Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.

        The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report includes a strong prescription for protecting the health of Americans:

            *

              Closing America's borders with fences, high-tech security devices and troops.
            *

              Rescinding the U.S. citizenship of "anchor babies."
            *

              Punishing the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens as a crime.
            *

              An end to amnesty programs.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 03:21:49 PM
The Costs of Illegal Immigration

A new study from the Center for Immigration Studies is one of the first to estimate the impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Based on Census Bureau data, the study estimates that households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002. These figures are only for the federal government; costs at the state and local level are also likely to be significant. Among the largest federal costs: Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion). The study also finds that if illegals were given amnesty, the fiscal deficit at the federal level would grow to nearly $29 billion.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: tonymctones on May 23, 2008, 03:33:57 PM
If you live in Houston, and you don't see the problem the illegals are causing, then you are  either still living with your Mother, or you are a complete buffoon, ( or both)

Just go down to Ben Taub Hospital and see all the illegals  waiting in the emergency room,   The hospital is going under, and each and every illegal has no intentions of paying the Bill, just passing it on to the tax payers (You and Me )

Just go to any public school inside the loop, and see all the overcrowding, , and look at the decreasing level of scores in these school, because of the over crowded rooms, caused by all the Illegals

I have a friend who is a detective for the Houston Police Dept, he almost made more last year in over-time, than he made with his base salary, and he told me it was all related to crimes committed by Mexican illegal Gangs in the city. His salary is around 55,000, so he made close to 55,000 in overtime, trying to solve crime committed by illegals. ( paid for by you and me )


Just this week, was the murder case  involving the Houston Police officer who was shot and killed  by an Illegal Mexican, who was already deported once.
First of I never said it wasnt a problem if you didnt see that then either your a buffoon or illiterate. I simply stated that the majority are not drug dealing gang members or drunks. Dont talk to me about Ben taub have you ever been there? there are just as many whites and AA there as there are mexicans probably more. Perhaps the reason for low test scores is b/c of the funding, there were children of illegal immigrants at my school and they seemed to do just fine. Im sure that all the overtime pay your friend recieved came from investigating illegal immigrant crime too ::) Did your friend tell you that HPD is also severly understaffed? they were offereing $15,000 dollar signing bonuses and I think 20k before that...guess all that doesnt get factored in huh?

Im not saying that illegal immigration isnt a problem but you need to look at the problem first not try and provide a quick fix, a fukin wall isnt gonna do shit. Have you seen some of the ways these ppl get into this country they are going to get in one way or the other. What needs to be addressed is why they are coming

Eldon you live in houston? you seem to have decent knowledge about it
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 04:03:43 PM
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First of I never said it wasnt a problem if you didnt see that then either your a buffoon or illiterate. I simply stated that the majority are not drug dealing gang members or drunks. Dont talk to me about Ben taub have you ever been there? there are just as many whites and AA there as there are mexicans probably more. Perhaps the reason for low test scores is b/c of the funding, there were children of illegal immigrants at my school and they seemed to do just fine. Im sure that all the overtime pay your friend recieved came from investigating illegal immigrant crime too Roll Eyes Did your friend tell you that HPD is also severly understaffed? they were offereing $15,000 dollar signing bonuses and I think 20k before that...guess all that doesnt get factored in huh?

Im not saying that illegal immigration isnt a problem but you need to look at the problem first not try and provide a quick fix, a fukin wall isnt gonna do shit. Have you seen some of the ways these ppl get into this country they are going to get in one way or the other. What needs to be addressed is why they are coming

Eldon you live in houston? you seem to have decent knowledge about it

My sister in law was a Nurse at Ben Taub for 14 years so yes I have been down their often, I suggest you do the same, in fact, lets pick a date for you to meet me down their, and we will take photos  , and post them on GetBig, to show that their are more illegals than whites,  deal ? ?  if so, how about this weekend ?

The shortage in HPD is based on 2 things, first,  the retirement package was increased, as the last mayor thought he needed to give in to the the HPD Union, to get their backing, so many retired with the greater package, and the second reason is because the increase in crime in Houston,  with the majority of that crime coming from illegals.

And the low test scores are because of the over crowded rooms, even  H.I.S.D. has said that, and used it as the reason for the last bond (tax increase), to build more schools

I am also good friends with one of the recruiters of HPD

If you are looking for a job, I will give you his number.

You see, I go with the facts, not opinions,

The facts are the facts. Illegals are hurting America

And the Fence does work, just look at the facts. The newly built 2 Wall system in parts of California has drastically cut the amount of illegals coming in that area.
Will it stop them all, no, but it will help,  just like the lock on your front door wont stop a person from kicking it in, if someone really wanted in, but I bet you still lock it at night,  as you should.... and just as we should build the entire fence !


Send me message as to when you want to meet at Ben Taub, to take a few photos of the waiting rooms with are cell phones...






p.s  Before you suggest that someone else is illiterate, maybe you should use the "spell check" on your last post....

Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: tonymctones on May 23, 2008, 04:23:10 PM
My sister in law was a Nurse at Ben Taub for 14 years so yes I have been down their often, I suggest you do the same, in fact, lets pick a date for you to meet me down their, and we will take photos  , and post them on GetBig, to show that theirare more illegals than whites,  deal ? ?  if so, how about this weekend ?

The shortage in HPD is based on 2 things, first,  the retirement package was increased, as the last mayor thought he needed to give in to the the HPD Union, to get their backing, so many retired with the greater package, and the second reason is because the increase in crime in Houston,  with the majority of that crime coming from illegals.

And the low test scores are because of the over crowded rooms, even the HISD has said that, and have been using it as the reason for the last bond, to build more schools

I am also good friends with one of the recruiters of HPD

If you are looking for a job, I will give you his number.

You see, I go with the facts, not opinions,

The facts are the facts. Illegals are hurting America

Send me as to when you want to meet at Ben Taub, to take a few photos of the waiting rooms with are cell phones...
LOL you missed it again i never said they werent hurting america, do you think that the majority are drug dealers or drunks? I tell you what why dont you meet me in the barrio and we will go see all the ppl on the corners waiting to be picked up for work hows that then we will take pics of that and post it on getbig. Yes they are a drain on our system so are AA, I noticed you didnt mention blacks when referring to ben taub, why is that? Plz provide stats for your crime rates.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 04:30:13 PM
tonymctones,

seriously   how old are you ?

You mentioned Ben Taub, so take me up on that offer ..  How about tonight ?

Blacks are here legally,  even you should see the difference.   Example: I have no right to go to any other country and demand that they let me stay, make me a citizen and pay for my healthcare, , my Children's school and  etc.. and Illegals have no right to do this here   Not one and not  20 million

"    "Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico."
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: tonymctones on May 23, 2008, 04:45:46 PM
tonymctones,

seriously   how old are you ?

You mentioned Ben Taub, so take me up on that offer ..  How about tonight ?

I have no right to go to any other country and demand that they let me stay, make me a citizens and pay for my healthcare, , my Childrens school and  etc.. and Illegals have no right to do this here   Not one and not  20 million

ahh the how old are you? line anytime somebody says something that you dont agree with...HAHAHAH the funny thing here is that I generally agree with you but I dont think you see that.

to answer your question Im old enough.

Ive been to ben taub a few times bro and every time ive seen more AA people then hispanic. I like the way you didnt answer my questions very nice of you. I tell you what you go to ben taub and Ill go to the barrio and well both take pics, k?

My point is that the MAJORITY of illegal mexican immigrants are hard working ppl not drug dealers or drunks, do you agree or disagree?

Like I said I agree that its a problem and that they drain our system, what do you think we should do about it?

Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: drkaje on May 23, 2008, 04:49:06 PM
Illegals are hurting the country. You're intentionally cutting and pasting around the point. There are some crappy jobs Americans won't do and farmers can't all afford the equipment. In the long run we'll have to bite the bullet. Politically, no one wants to be in office when the bullet biting occurs.  No one can afford the $4 head of lettuce, Bro. Kicking them all out means importing everything and no home grown stuff. Amnesty means they would be entitled to minimum wage which brings us back to the $4 head of lettuce. That's not even considering how expensive crap would get if they all joined the Teamsters, LOL!

We're sort of stuck with the situation for now. I'd love to deport most of them and a lot of other people just for fun but the bigger picture and economy probably wouldn't really support the idea.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 04:52:46 PM
 you just state the usuall propanganda, that is not based in Truth, that is why I wanteed to meet you don't at the Hospital,  as I think if you see it in person, you will see things differently.
I am still up for it, just let me know.




here are some more facts for you :

Question:
What does "illegal immigration" cost American taxpayers
in a single year?

Deleted Answer:
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
cuts into the wages of American Workers
To The Tune Of Some $ 200 Billion (With A "B") Annually

According to Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.),
who is head of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus,
"Massive immigration of low-skilled, low-wage workers
depresses wage rates
for people who are at the low economic end of the scale.
The overall effect will be
the decline of the living standard of every American,
or most Americans."

According to TNRIP,
the financial cost of this foreign invasion to U.S. taxpayers is staggering!
Here is a break down of the annual costs:
Education: $22.5 billion
Bi-lingual Education: $3.3 billion
AFDC: $2.4 billion
SSI: $2.9 billion
Social Security: $24.8 billion
Housing Assistance: $2.6 billion
Criminal Justice: $2.6 billion
Jobs Lost by Americans: $10.8 billion
Other Programs: $51.4 billion
Food Stamps: $7 billion
Health Care: $1.4 billion

(That Totals $131.7 BILLION Annually Folks)
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april20...

This Estimate Does NOT Include
The Some $39 Billion (Again With A "B")
UNTAXED US Dollars Exported Annually
In The Form Of Remittances

($39 Billion Is Exported ANNUALLY To MEXICO ALONE
BILLIONS Of More US Dollars
Is Exported To Nations OTM By ILLEGAL ALIENS
To Their Families At Home)

ILLEGAL ALIENS OF ANY RACE / Nationality
Contribute To The High Cost Of HEALTH CARE
Because They Have No INSURANCE
And Its YOU The TAXPAYER That Supports The System
That Governs The Health, Education, And WELFARE
That Many ILLEGAL ALIENS Take Advantage Of

WE THE PEOPLE Should NOT Be Made To SUPPORT
(This Is A MAJOR CONTRIBUTION To YOUR
EXTREMELY HIGH HEALTH INSURANCE RATES Folks)

ILLEGAL ALIENS Of ANY RACE / Nationality
Are A Burden To OUR (AMERICAN) Education System
By OVERCROWDING Classrooms
And Making It Virtually Impossible For (Underpaid) Teachers
To Give The Neccessary Time And Attention
To The Individual Students

Millions of LAW ABIDING US CITIZENS
understand what is at stake,
and wonder what our response should be
to sedition, intimidation and acts of defiance
against our republic and our ordered liberty.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 04:58:19 PM
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Illegals are hurting the country. You're intentionally cutting and pasting around the point. There are some crappy jobs Americans won't do and farmers can't all afford the equipment. In the long run we'll have to bite the bullet. Politically, no one wants to be in office when the bullet biting occurs.  No one can afford the $4 head of lettuce, Bro. Kicking them all out means importing everything and no home grown stuff. Amnesty means they would be entitled to minimum wage which brings us back to the $4 head of lettuce. That's not even considering how expensive crap would get if they all joined the Teamsters, LOL!

We're sort of stuck with the situation for now. I'd love to deport most of them and a lot of other people just for fun but the bigger picture and economy probably wouldn't really support the idea.

Wrong again.

Facts : America has been providing work visas for migrant farm workers for over 100 years. And will continue to.

So Stopping illegals at the border will not cause 4 dollar lettuce

Once again, you have been watching t0o much television, and you believe the propaganda put out by Big Business, that we cant make it without the illegals.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Camel Jockey on May 23, 2008, 04:58:33 PM
Illegals are hurting the country. You're intentionally cutting and pasting around the point. There are some crappy jobs Americans won't do and farmers can't all afford the equipment. In the long run we'll have to bite the bullet. Politically, no one wants to be in office when the bullet biting occurs.  No one can afford the $4 head of lettuce, Bro. Kicking them all out means importing everything and no home grown stuff. Amnesty means they would be entitled to minimum wage which brings us back to the $4 head of lettuce. That's not even considering how expensive crap would get if they all joined the Teamsters, LOL!

We're sort of stuck with the situation for now. I'd love to deport most of them and a lot of other people just for fun but the bigger picture and economy probably wouldn't really support the idea.

You're not looking at the longterm consequences of illegal immigration. There are huge declines in educational rates in states like California due to the huge inflex of immigrants there. They don't want to integrate, and they'd much rather have Americans learn their shit. It's to the point where they can make it happen too.  :-\

Don't grant them amnesty, don't deport them. Just leave it and CLOSE THE BORDERS. That's what politicians wont do because they want the hispanic vote. Hispanics count anyone who doesn't agree with them on the immigration issue as a racist.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 23, 2008, 04:58:55 PM
how are they paying taxes if their illegal????  don't get me wrong the Mexicans that have green cards i have no problem with it's the ones coming to this country illegally.

This is what you said:

well all the Mexicans were i live are drunks or coke dealers from Texas...like i said I'm not a racist and some are OK but why cant they just do the right thing and wait till their let in... keep in mind the only Mexicans coming here are the low life's.


Good point,  I thought you meant ALL mexicans.  Including legal residents.  BTW, the illegals that are here in N. Cal.  aren't like you describe in there in Texas.  
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 23, 2008, 05:00:28 PM
You're not looking at the longterm consequences of illegal immigration. There are huge declines in educational rates in states like California due to the huge inflex of immigrants there. They don't want to integrate, and they'd much rather have Americans learn their shit. It's to the point where they can make it happen too.  :-\

Don't grant them amnesty, don't deport them. Just leave it and CLOSE THE BORDERS. That's what politicians wont do because they want the hispanic vote. Hispanics count anyone who doesn't agree with them on the immigration issue as a racist.

i say, give everyone 18 months.  anyone not able to speak passable English gets deported instantly.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: drkaje on May 23, 2008, 05:02:31 PM
I'm also for English only so that probably makes me a racist.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: OzmO on May 23, 2008, 05:05:24 PM
I'm also for English only so that probably makes me a racist.

No, it just makes you sick of people's refusal to respect the country who gives them citizenship and causes burdens in our schools and economy.
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: tonymctones on May 23, 2008, 05:05:58 PM
i say, give everyone 18 months.  anyone not able to speak passable English gets deported instantly.
LOL for sure i cant tell you how many times ive been eating at a mexican resturaunt here in houston and the waiter/waitress doesnt speak english...LOL I actually got pissed once and cussed one out, there was more to it than not speaking english but it was all b/c they didnt. LOL i get pretty grumpy when im hungry ;D
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Eldon on May 23, 2008, 05:07:53 PM
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You're not looking at the longterm consequences of illegal immigration. There are huge declines in educational rates in states like California due to the huge inflex of immigrants there. They don't want to integrate, and they'd much rather have Americans learn their shit. It's to the point where they can make it happen too.

Exactly
Title: Re: imagration problem
Post by: Camel Jockey on May 23, 2008, 06:41:33 PM
i say, give everyone 18 months.  anyone not able to speak passable English gets deported instantly.

That would never happen.

The best solution for this country would be to close the borders, but our elected officials would rather eat shit.  :-\ We could build a large fence with barbed wire, gun turrets, and general outposts with ease but we wont do it because we're appologists to hispanic americans. Well, we're not, but since our politicians do it for us we are. lol

That's why this whole election is a fucking sham and I'm not even gonna vote. Wouldn't make a difference in NY anyways and even if it meant something, it would be taken away my this sham political system.