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(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/us-soldier-child.jpg)
Two things happened in Iraq last week. A US soldier shot a discarded a copy of the Qur’an, and al-Qaeda strapped explosives to an 8-year-old
girl, killing more Iraqis in the name of Allah. Only one of these acts enraged Muslims.
Do you know Islam well enough to know which?
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Pictures like this don't seem to make it to the papers.....hmmmm....
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freakin media
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As my friend calls it, "the land of not quite right."
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Awesome post, the media should get its priorities right.
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We don't see this on the front page either:
(http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/23/iraq_gallery/image6.jpg)
Face it, the media does its job. The US opposes the war but not harshly. The media softsells and keeps us sedate.
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We don't see this on the front page either:
(http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/23/iraq_gallery/image6.jpg)
Face it, the media does its job. The US opposes the war but not harshly. The media softsells and keeps us sedate.
Money says that baby was injured in a suicide bombing or mortar attack from insurgents. Where's your proof Americans did that?
You work for the "Zionist" media?
That's cool though. You're trying to justify AQI strapping explosives to an 8 year old. I understand. Anything to get back at the Americans. Maybe they'll start lobbing baby hand grenades at the Americans next. I'm sure you would find a reason for that to be ok.
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neocons, just imagine if that was an iraqi solider holding an american child on american soil.
NT
implausible, Mohamed the prophet threw his off a mountain
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Only two things happened?
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deckers right. before the US went over there to help it was a paradise. it was a peaceful place with no killing or ied's to speak of. no stockpiles of thousands of innocent people.
notice why none of the soldiers have an american flag on them. do you know why the american flag isnt allowed into iraq. one of you haters answer that please.
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(http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/us-soldier-child.jpg)
Two things happened in Iraq last week. A US soldier shot a discarded a copy of the Qur’an, and al-Qaeda strapped explosives to an 8-year-old
girl, killing more Iraqis in the name of Allah. Only one of these acts enraged Muslims.
Do you know Islam well enough to know which?
lmao, way to derail the thought process to your own liking.
pointing out the hypocrisy is fine, your conclusions however are just not right.
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deckers right. before the US went over there to help it was a paradise. it was a peaceful place with no killing or ied's to speak of. no stockpiles of thousands of innocent people.
notice why none of the soldiers have an american flag on them. do you know why the american flag isnt allowed into iraq. one of you haters answer that please.
Sure didn't have foreign fighters and wasn't on the brink of a Shia vs. Sunni civil war.
But I'm sure you know better.
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Sure didn't have foreign fighters and wasn't on the brink of a Shia vs. Sunni civil war.
But I'm sure you know better.
ya those 2 just started fighting when America should up. i was at least in iraq unlike everyone who talks about what goes on there, and has no fucking clue.
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ya those 2 just started fighting when America should up. i was at least in iraq unlike everyone who talks about what goes on there, and has no fucking clue.
Shakespearian.
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ya those 2 just started fighting when America should up. i was at least in iraq unlike everyone who talks about what goes on there, and has no fucking clue.
engligh mofo do you speak it?
on top of that, your way off, the middle east has seen more bloodshed than any other land. Haha yeah they just started fighting that day
"Hey Akbar, Americans are here lets go fight with some shite militias"
"Sure"
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There are many things going on in Iraq that's very bad. However, we can not leave. It will get far worse. That being said, there was far less of it, with Saddam, as he would have brutally crushed anything remotely that threatened his power.
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engligh mofo do you speak it?
on top of that, your way off, the middle east has seen more bloodshed than any other land. Haha yeah they just started fighting that day
"Hey Akbar, Americans are here lets go fight with some shite militias"
"Sure"
*showed, excuse me, long day
i guess you didnt catch my sarcasm.
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no way too tired, sleep schedule is screwed
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Shakespearian.
i just flew from hethrow to jfk. sorry if i used the wrong word. that was funny though, but your still a tool
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no way too tired, sleep schedule is screwed
me too and jet lagged. now i had to much coffee and cant sleep
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same here too much coffee during the day (+ ephidrene since I'm dieting now)
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i just flew from hethrow to jfk. sorry if i used the wrong word. that was funny though, but your still a tool
Thou cockered boil-brained whey-face!
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We don't see this on the front page either:
(http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2005/08/23/iraq_gallery/image6.jpg)
Face it, the media does its job. The US opposes the war but not harshly. The media softsells and keeps us sedate.
No, the media fails in doing their job because they only present one side. The bad side. Are you going to try and tell me nothing good has came from this??
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No, the media fails in doing their job because they only present one side. The bad side. Are you going to try and tell me nothing good has came from this??
Idiot.
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Idiot.
Good come back, I would expect nothing less.
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Does make you think though, there are undoubtedly tons of stories like this but a marine shooting the karan is what gets the medias attention
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Good for her. It's rare to see such commitment in the youth of today.
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Good for her. It's rare to see such commitment in the youth of today.
haha ouch :-X
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Nordic, I may be in sunny manchester for a Friday night out with the chaps soon, and I was just wondering if you could recommend any good bars/clubs?
Also, is there anywhere we should avoid i.e. places that are popular with blicks and people that wear baseball caps?
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No, the media fails in doing their job because they only present one side. The bad side. Are you going to try and tell me nothing good has came from this??
Of course there are good things that have come from this. Unfortunately it's in the dark shadow of the many bad things.
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Nordic, I may be in sunny manchester for a Friday night out with the chaps soon, and I was just wondering if you could recommend any good bars/clubs?
Also, is there anywhere we should avoid i.e. places that are popular with blicks and people that wear baseball caps?
I'd recommend starting in the Printworks then maybe go down to the bars in Deansgate to see some top totty.
As for a club... just following where all the punani is going :D
But... why a friday? Saturday nights rock in Manchester.
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Money says that baby was injured in a suicide bombing or mortar attack from insurgents. Where's your proof Americans did that?
You work for the "Zionist" media?
That's cool though. You're trying to justify AQI strapping explosives to an 8 year old. I understand. Anything to get back at the Americans. Maybe they'll start lobbing baby hand grenades at the Americans next. I'm sure you would find a reason for that to be ok.
What do you care who killed that child? But for the illegal US invasion, there would be no insurgency with a glut of suicide bombers.
You seem to have a congenital inability to look at any other side of a problem but your own. You seem to think that gives you license to make inflated claims to belittle any person with an opposing viewpoint.
That's why it looks like you lay out these elaborate concoctions aimed at me such as: "Zionist" media, justify AQI strapping explosives to an 8 year old, or that I'm ok with lobbing hand grenades at americans.
Are you over age 18?
Does your self-esteem suffer?
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No, the media fails in doing their job because they only present one side. The bad side. Are you going to try and tell me nothing good has came from this??
Don't ask me. Ask the 4000+ dead americans and 100,000+ dead Iraqis if they feel something good has come of this.
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What do you care who killed that child? But for the illegal US invasion, there would be no insurgency with a glut of suicide bombers.
You seem to have a congenital inability to look at any other side of a problem but your own. You seem to think that gives you license to make inflated claims to belittle any person with an opposing viewpoint.
That's why it looks like you lay out these elaborate concoctions aimed at me such as: "Zionist" media, justify AQI strapping explosives to an 8 year old, or that I'm ok with lobbing hand grenades at americans.
Are you over age 18?
Does your self-esteem suffer?
PLS explain the Illegal invasion? also im pretty sure there were suicide bombers before the u.s. got there, dont you think its better that they blow themselves up over there than over here?
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PLS explain the Illegal invasion? also im pretty sure there were suicide bombers before the u.s. got there, dont you think its better that they blow themselves up over there than over here?
Decker believes that all beheadings, suicide bombings, mass executions and every other atrocity committed by Muslims across the globe are a result of the US.
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PLS explain the Illegal invasion? also im pretty sure there were suicide bombers before the u.s. got there, dont you think its better that they blow themselves up over there than over here?
The middle east, in my opinion should be engaged with negotiations. That's the best way really...and cheapest.
The invasion is illegal b/c GW Bush was operating under the authority of UN Resolution 1441 which required the authorization of the UN Security Council prior to initiating any military exercise of power.
Bush did not get that authorization. That's the easiest explanation.
Then there is 'War of Aggression' war crime charge. Pres. Bush ordered the military to attack Iraq for not disarming its WMDs even though up until the time of invasion, WMD inspectors were on the ground in Iraq doing exhaustive unimpeded inspections...AND FINDING NOTHING.
So in essence Bush attacked Iraq for not disarming even though it was disarmed.
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Decker believes that all beheadings, suicide bombings, mass executions and every other atrocity committed by Muslims across the globe are a result of the US.
See, this is what I'm talking about.
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hey decker how about these countries?
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, Tonga, United Kingdom and Ukraine
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No, the media fails in doing their job because they only present one side. The bad side. Are you going to try and tell me nothing good has came from this??
joe, the media does sell the MIDDLE.
You think one dead kid is the 'bad side'?
holy shit dude, if MSN and CNN really wanted to show the ugly side of war, they'd show the piles of bodies and mangled kids. They occasionally show a 'recovering' child feelgood story, but if you honestly believe we're seeing the worst of the bad side, you don't know much about war :(
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The middle east, in my opinion should be engaged with negotiations. That's the best way really...and cheapest.
The invasion is illegal b/c GW Bush was operating under the authority of UN Resolution 1441 which required the authorization of the UN Security Council prior to initiating any military exercise of power.
Bush did not get that authorization. That's the easiest explanation.
Then there is 'War of Aggression' war crime charge. Pres. Bush ordered the military to attack Iraq for not disarming its WMDs even though up until the time of invasion, WMD inspectors were on the ground in Iraq doing exhaustive unimpeded inspections...AND FINDING NOTHING.
So in essence Bush attacked Iraq for not disarming even though it was disarmed.
thats fine when you are dealing with a government that has control over its constituents, you really think that these terrorist are going to enter into a dialouge with somebody? seriously? hahahaha. If he did go to war without UN approval and they werent going to give it dont you think that the UN would take action against the US and bush?
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hey decker how about these countries?
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, Tonga, United Kingdom and Ukraine
Good question. Did all of these countries commit war crimes by participating in the invasion of Iraq?
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Only the US, UK, Poland, Australia and Denmark participated in the invasion.
The others were part of the coalition provisional authority that operated under a UN resolution.
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hey decker how about these countries?
Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Thailand, Tonga, United Kingdom and Ukraine
Those are countries indeed. But I am a resident of the US. The US was the leader calling the shots and paying for the invasion. The Coalition of the Willing was 2 Haitians with a rake. (is that Carlin?)
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thats fine when you are dealing with a government that has control over its constituents, you really think that these terrorist are going to enter into a dialouge with somebody? seriously? hahahaha. If he did go to war without UN approval and they werent going to give it dont you think that the UN would take action against the US and bush?
The terrorists were in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan...not Iraq.
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Good question. Did all of these countries commit war crimes by participating in the invasion of Iraq?
It depends on the facts involved but I could see a scenario where the answer is yes.
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I'd recommend starting in the Printworks then maybe go down to the bars in Deansgate to see some top totty.
As for a club... just following where all the punani is going :D
But... why a friday? Saturday nights rock in Manchester.
Cheers mate, sounds like a plan!
Us provincial yokels always go out on the town on a Friday, but if the totty is better on a Saturday I'm pretty sure that I can change a habit of a lifetime.
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The terrorists were in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan...not Iraq.
First off you didnt answer my question as you have a history of doing, do you really think that these terrorist organizations are going to sit down and have an open dialouge with the U.S. or anybody for that reason? Second terrorist activity was only one reason that we went into Iraq so that point doesnt make your case. Do you really think that the Iraq government under saddam had no terrorist ties?
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First off you didnt answer my question as you have a history of doing, do you really think that these terrorist organizations are going to sit down and have an open dialouge with the U.S. or anybody for that reason? Second terrorist activity was only one reason that we went into Iraq so that point doesnt make your case. Do you really think that the Iraq government under saddam had no terrorist ties?
Sorry, but I'm really busy at work and I'm doing the best I can.
Al Qaeda should be destroyed. I don't see anyone requesting negotiations with the terrorist group.
The 9/11 Commission (hand-picked by the Bush Administration) concluded:
"...the 9/11 Commission released a report saying, among other things, that there was no "collaborative relationship" between Al Qaeda and Iraq."
"The commission reported that, beyond the Sept. 11 attacks, there were indeed contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq but that Iraq rebuffed Al Qaeda's entreaties."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p09s01-codc.html
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First off you didnt answer my question as you have a history of doing, do you really think that these terrorist organizations are going to sit down and have an open dialouge with the U.S. or anybody for that reason? Second terrorist activity was only one reason that we went into Iraq so that point doesnt make your case. Do you really think that the Iraq government under saddam had no terrorist ties?
Dude, I'm about to join the military and even I don't believe that shit.
Iraq was all about trying to gain political and economic intrests in the region.
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It depends on the facts involved but I could see a scenario where the answer is yes.
You already know the facts. The invasion of Iraq was a war of aggression (according to you), so every country who participated in this war of aggression should be equally culpable, right?
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Dude, I'm about to join the military and even I don't believe that shit.
Iraq was all about trying to gain political and economic intrests in the region.
LMAO brutal truth. Purple Aki is absolutely right. Only a very small % of people still believe the war was about terrorism. Oil, bases, etc.
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Sorry, but I'm really busy at work and I'm doing the best I can.
Al Qaeda should be destroyed. I don't see anyone requesting negotiations with the terrorist group.
The 9/11 Commission (hand-picked by the Bush Administration) concluded:
"...the 9/11 Commission released a report saying, among other things, that there was no "collaborative relationship" between Al Qaeda and Iraq."
"The commission reported that, beyond the Sept. 11 attacks, there were indeed contacts between Al Qaeda and Iraq but that Iraq rebuffed Al Qaeda's entreaties."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0622/p09s01-codc.html
What about hammas? or any other terrorist group
I know of the reports all Im saying is that you can see how there might be ppl who would think that iraq was trying to obtain wmd or produce wmd do you not?
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LMAO brutal truth. Purple Aki is absolutely right. Only a very small % of people still believe the war was about terrorism. Oil, bases, etc.
LOL public opinion is a fickle whore my friend, changes with the wind. Im not saying your wrong but if it is indeed about oil and in 30 or 40 yrs we all have a more comfortable lifestyle do you think anybody will care, to quote decker "I dont give a fuck about kennedy and the bay of pigs that was 50 yrs ago" so probably not
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Dude, I'm about to join the military and even I don't believe that shit.
Iraq was all about trying to gain political and economic intrests in the region.
I think everybody is misunderstanding my stance Im not saying this is the way it is only that all these guys bashing the president are looking at it with hindsight and yes you will always be right with hindsight which might be why nobody ever says "hey, your right" on this website
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LOL public opinion is a fickle whore my friend, changes with the wind. Im not saying your wrong but if it is indeed about oil and in 30 or 40 yrs we all have a more comfortable lifestyle do you think anybody will care, to quote decker "I dont give a fuck about kennedy and the bay of pigs that was 50 yrs ago" so probably not
i agree - in 30 years, bush will be seen as a hero. american history will be kind to him, and world history will hate on him.
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What about hammas? or any other terrorist group
I know of the reports all Im saying is that you can see how there might be ppl who would think that iraq was trying to obtain wmd or produce wmd do you not?
If Hamas is a duly elected government and the US has an interest in the country, then I see nothing wrong with negotiations.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Reagan/Bush negotiated with terrorist deathsquads in Nicaraguan and El Salvador death squads.
In fact Reagan/Bush traded arms with Iran behind the US Congress's back.
Was that a bad thing?
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You already know the facts. The invasion of Iraq was a war of aggression (according to you), so every country who participated in this war of aggression should be equally culpable, right?
No but every country participating in the illegal invasion is culpable to a degree. The US just happens to head up that group thanks to the attack ordered by Bush.
But for Bush, there would not have been a coalition of the willing to plunder Iraq.
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If Hamas is a duly elected government and the US has an interest in the country, then I see nothing wrong with negotiations.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
Reagan/Bush negotiated with terrorist deathsquads in Nicaraguan and El Salvador death squads.
In fact Reagan/Bush traded arms with Iran behind the US Congress's back.
Was that a bad thing?
I agree but i would state it "one mans rebel is anothers freedom fighter" terrorists are completely different, a group that targets innocent citizens for any reason and those who contribute to them such as hamas should not be negotiated with b/c in the end if they dont get there way guess what...boom.
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No but every country participating in the illegal invasion is culpable to a degree. The US just happens to head up that group thanks to the attack ordered by Bush.
But for Bush, there would not have been a coalition of the willing to plunder Iraq.
There was also an order by the leader of every one of those 27 other countries to participate in the war. No distinction between them and us in terms of (alleged) culpability IMO.
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There was also an order by the leader of every one of those 27 other countries to participate in the war. No distinction between them and us in terms of (alleged) culpability IMO.
Only the US, UK, Poland, Australia and Denmark participated in the invasion.
The others were part of the coalition provisional authority that operated under a UN resolution.
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I agree but i would state it "one mans rebel is anothers freedom fighter" terrorists are completely different, a group that targets innocent citizens for any reason and those who contribute to them such as hamas should not be negotiated with b/c in the end if they dont get there way guess what...boom.
You have to work with the government in place. What's the alternative in Iran? Blow up 70 million people?
I don't buy the argument that terrorists are a different breed. The Soviets were subject to negotiation and they held the power of the bomb.
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There was also an order by the leader of every one of those 27 other countries to participate in the war. No distinction between them and us in terms of (alleged) culpability IMO.
I see.
Take a look at the Bugliosi thread, I posed a question to you that I have wanted answered for some time.
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Only two things happened?
That's about it.
Also, somebody dropped their strawberry ice cream cone at the iraqi amusement park. Luckily, the nice man working the booth gave the kid a free replacement.
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i agree - in 30 years, bush will be seen as a hero. american history will be kind to him, and world history will hate on him.
I don't think so. The oil producing nations will be able to usurp US economic supremacy to a degree b/c of the US's reliance on oil...to the last drop.
In the long run, our country will be weakened.
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LOL public opinion is a fickle whore my friend, changes with the wind. Im not saying your wrong but if it is indeed about oil and in 30 or 40 yrs we all have a more comfortable lifestyle do you think anybody will care, to quote decker "I dont give a fuck about kennedy and the bay of pigs that was 50 yrs ago" so probably not
You're paraphrasing me...not quoting me.