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In your guy's opinion what would be a potent enough fat burner to help me lose atleast 20lbs in 2 months? Im looking to cut up, this is the first time i have tried to do this.
Any feedback would help thanx.
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Im a newbie here man, but I have used ECA stacks in the past and they have been by far the most successful for me, but you can find EVERYTHING you need to know in the threads above, if you cant find it there its never going to happen.
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Illeagally:
1) Clenbuterol
2) T3
Leagally:
1)ECA... Ephedrine, Caffeine , Aspirin
2) Green Tea Extract
and of course cardio and diet
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Methyl Ripped, Xenadrine Super Hardcore, and Redline gelcaps.
By the way, A2daMIR, that avatar is great. That guy is such a sac.
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20 lbs in 2 months represents a cal deficit of about 1250 cals/day in a perfect world where you burn 0 muscle. You're going to burn a lot of muscle at 1250 cals below maintenance without AAS, so you still won't lose 20 lbs of fat. 20 lbs of weight maybe, but not fat.
8 lbs of true fat loss in 8 weeks may be tougher than you think. Diet, training, water, sleep.
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20 lbs fat i two months? get lipo suction or buy alot of illegal pharmacueticals
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The only possible way to do that will be to follow an extreme low-carb diet for the entire 2 months. Less than 20 - 30 grams a day. One day a week, after a hard workout, eat up to 150 grams, but that's all you get. Your diet should be about 60% fat, 35% protein, and 5% carbs. The majority of your fat intake should be in the form of mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated fats. If you weigh around 200 lbs, you should shoot for about 1700-1800 calories a day.
In addition to this insane diet, you'll have to incorporate an insane workout program - so I hope you're already in very good cardiovascular shape. You'll have to hit the weights hard, but super-set EVERYTHING (preferably an upper and lower body exercise in every super-set - and ALL COMPOUND MOVEMENTS - no isolation moves) and rest little to none throughout your entire workouts - which should last about 45 minutes each - 3 times a week. In addition, you'll need to include 4-5 HARDCORE cardio sessions each week. Slow-go cardio will be a waste of time for you. You'll have to incorporate intervals into your cardio, and even the "rest intervals" should remain slightly difficult. Follow your 15-20 minute interval session, with another 15-20 minutes of steady-pace, yet still difficult, cardio.
Do this and you can lose 20 lbs in 2 months, and 90-95% of it will be fat loss.
As for a "Potent Fat Burner"... There really are none. In 2 months, one of these products "might" help you lose an additional 1-2 pounds, but you'd be lucky with that. Really, find one that gives you a good energy boost, because you're going to need it...
Ps., if you're not already in great physical and cardiovascular shape, then please don't even bother with a program like this. You could die.
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very good advice from white hulk. my only thing would be that other than your essential fats (which should be fish oils and evening primrose oils) stick strictly to monounsaturated fats. VERY good source of energy. and because your not eating much if any saturated fats, the high monounsaturated fat intake will boost testosterone levels which means more fat burning and better muscle retention.
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He'll be elbow deep into a 10lb bag of peanut M&Ms by the second day. ;D
But the hydroxycuthardcore will more than compensate for that...
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He'll be elbow deep into a 10lb bag of peanut M&Ms by the second day. ;D
But the hydroxycuthardcore will more than compensate for that...
lol !
that would be pathetic
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20 lbs fat i two months? get lipo suction or buy alot of illegal pharmacueticals
Freakin hysterical
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very good advice from white hulk. my only thing would be that other than your essential fats (which should be fish oils and evening primrose oils) stick strictly to monounsaturated fats. VERY good source of energy. and because your not eating much if any saturated fats, the high monounsaturated fat intake will boost testosterone levels which means more fat burning and better muscle retention.
i was wondering...if one was on a very low carb diet (20 and under grams) and did morning cardio (light jog 3 miles outside) and when you wake up take a multi, and a fat burner (lets say FYRE from syntrax) do you think it would be beneficial to take 3-5 grams of flaxseed in the form of gels?? i was wondering because 2 reasons 1. the flaxseed is some energy and 2. using the flax seed directly before the cardio you burn fat and can it trick your body into going and getting more fat to burn as opposed to going to the protein (in the muscle) if this doesnt make sense to anyone then i can try and explain it better and i dont know if this is accurate but i was wondering?
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yes your right on target ! i prefer fish oil, i believe its a much more potent form of omega-3 fatty acid and boosts fat metabolism more. but flax would work too!
although i would not recommend jogging! definitely stick to walking, or walking at a brisk pace, when on an empty stomach.
you want to know what i do before cardio when im really trying to lose the fat quick?
25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffiene(in the form of lipo-6 or hydroxy cut or another fat burner), 81mg aspiring, extra strength EGCG(green tea), l-carnitine capsule(500mg), 2-4 capsules fish oil, and PLENTY of water.
i used to throw in a cigarrette too, lol, but i find that to be muscle wasting. and it makes my teeth yellow! (and since we all know that one of the benefits of cutting up is the females, i dont want yellow teeth when im talking to ladies! )
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yes your right on target ! i prefer fish oil, i believe its a much more potent form of omega-3 fatty acid and boosts fat metabolism more. but flax would work too!
although i would not recommend jogging! definitely stick to walking, or walking at a brisk pace, when on an empty stomach.
you want to know what i do before cardio when im really trying to lose the fat quick?
25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffiene(in the form of lipo-6 or hydroxy cut or another fat burner), 81mg aspiring, extra strength EGCG(green tea), l-carnitine capsule(500mg), 2-4 capsules fish oil, and PLENTY of water.
i used to throw in a cigarrette too, lol, but i find that to be muscle wasting. and it makes my teeth yellow! (and since we all know that one of the benefits of cutting up is the females, i dont want yellow teeth when im talking to ladies! )
i used to do that also but now ive resorted to throwing in a huge dip...i know jogging isnt recomended but honestly two things i like to take a jog and two it is a health move you know...im not going to be or try to be a BB so to speak so my health has got to come in to concern at some point....another question is would it be beneficial to down some flax seed before lifting for the same reasons??
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yeah pre training omega-3's would be a great way to help burn some fat.
if your not trying to be super huge and you just wanna smash some pussy here i tell you waht
do your morning joggine
train with 30 second rest sets,, never sit down, keep the heart pumping,, trian heavy, but in the 8-12 rep range and train with fury.. train 5 days a week, and post training immideatly go to the treadmill and jogg again for another 30 mins to an hour.
on your off days do h.i.t cardio instead of lifting.
go high protein moderate fats low carbs..every third day or fourth day eat about 500 grams carbs with low fat and moderate protein
youl get ripppppppeddddd and have some good muscle too if you train hard enough
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1. caloric deficit
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yeah pre training omega-3's would be a great way to help burn some fat.
if your not trying to be super huge and you just wanna smash some pussy here i tell you waht
do your morning joggine
train with 30 second rest sets,, never sit down, keep the heart pumping,, trian heavy, but in the 8-12 rep range and train with fury.. train 5 days a week, and post training immideatly go to the treadmill and jogg again for another 30 mins to an hour.
on your off days do h.i.t cardio instead of lifting.
go high protein moderate fats low carbs..every third day or fourth day eat about 500 grams carbs with low fat and moderate protein
youl get ripppppppeddddd and have some good muscle too if you train hard enough
yea man i wanna be huge but not BB huge... you think i should stop doing the am cardio or do 2 sessions?
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Following my original recommendations, you would not need to do cardio 1st thing in the morning. As long as you fit in your 4-5 sessions per week, you'll be okay - I don't care what time of day you do it. Because the type of cardio I spoke about is about boosting your caloric expenditure and your metabolism.
However, while following a low-carb diet, taking flax oil or fish oil directly before your workout (just make sure it doesn't tip you over your already low calorie goals) is definitely beneficial.
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Following my original recommendations, you would not need to do cardio 1st thing in the morning. As long as you fit in your 4-5 sessions per week, you'll be okay - I don't care what time of day you do it. Because the type of cardio I spoke about is about boosting your caloric expenditure and your metabolism.
However, while following a low-carb diet, taking flax oil or fish oil directly before your workout (just make sure it doesn't tip you over your already low calorie goals) is definitely beneficial.
alright ill give it a try
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fish oil = more the better.. to a degree. if you can afford to, taking up to 20-25 grams a day is only going to benefit you, more fat loss, and more muscle retention.
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fish oil = more the better.. to a degree. if you can afford to, taking up to 20-25 grams a day is only going to benefit you, more fat loss, and more muscle retention.
no shit that much damn thats alot
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if you have a target in your area go there, you can get buy one gett one half off on the vitamins and supplements... a bottle of 200 is like 7.99.... so 15 bucks will get you 400 fish oil caps
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no shit thanks for the heads up ill go and check that out this weekend...
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Well thanx alot guys i am just trying to cut up for a wrestling show at the end of july its our biggest of the year i just wanna look better in shape for it. I still want to make gains while cutting, what would you guys recommend for this?
thanx
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If you're looking to lose fat rapidly, then forget about making gains at the same time. The best you can do, is just try to maintain as much muscle as possible.
If you've got a lot more time, you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. But it's a much, much slower (and much healthier) way to go.
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I here ya man and i appreciate the help, I know its unhealthy to lose weight quickly but like i said its my first time trying to cut and i didnt know what to expect. So if i hit the gym 3 times a week like i do now but also hit cardio 5 times a week and maybe added in a caffeine,aspirin regemin would that help my goals?
And i dont know if im right on this but maybe keep protein in between 250-300gm per day carbs at 100 or so and fats......... i have no idea about maybe i could get some help with that?
thanx again
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The only possible way to do that will be to follow an extreme low-carb diet for the entire 2 months. Less than 20 - 30 grams a day. One day a week, after a hard workout, eat up to 150 grams, but that's all you get. Your diet should be about 60% fat, 35% protein, and 5% carbs. The majority of your fat intake should be in the form of mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated fats. If you weigh around 200 lbs, you should shoot for about 1700-1800 calories a day.
Based on these recommendations, you're looking at: 150 - 160 grams of protein each day and 110 - 120 grams of fat per day. By getting the majority of your calories from healthy fats, your body is going to use fat as it's primary source of fuel - not protein. If you get the majority of your calories from protein, you'll just be telling your body to use protein as fuel - and it has a 24 hour supply of it, called muscle.
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Based on these recommendations, you're looking at: 150 - 160 grams of protein each day and 110 - 120 grams of fat per day. By getting the majority of your calories from healthy fats, your body is going to use fat as it's primary source of fuel - not protein. If you get the majority of your calories from protein, you'll just be telling your body to use protein as fuel - and it has a 24 hour supply of it, called muscle.
whitehulk if youve got some studies on that idea id love to see them.
as far as i know the body cannot use protein for energy. it can only use fats or sugars. and when a meal is conusmed that lacks sugars, the hormonal release(glucagon) signals for the majority of the body's cells to start running on fat, regardless of whether fat is present in the meal or not. now i that state, the glucose(sugar) demand would be oh so tiny. and for THAT tiny fuel demand, the body would either need a small amount of trace carbs or it would have to convert protien into glucose to use for energy.
but as i said...thats as far AS I KNOW.. i could be waaaayyyyy off
id ask usmokepole to jump in cuz i definitely trust what he says
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He'll be elbow deep into a 10lb bag of peanut M&Ms by the second day. ;D
But the hydroxycuthardcore will more than compensate for that...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA good shit
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If you're looking to lose fat rapidly, then forget about making gains at the same time. The best you can do, is just try to maintain as much muscle as possible.
If you've got a lot more time, you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. But it's a much, much slower (and much healthier) way to go.
WH4 laid it out there for sure.. guy knows his shit.
as far as supplements go for fat burners, Atlarge nutrition's nitor definately gets the job done if you're not interested in ECA's or bronkaid. When it comes down to it though when you're cutting, you're trying to hold onto as much lean mass as possible at the same time losing the fat. Look at it like turning a black of marble into a sculpture...you can take your time and turn it into a piece of art.. or just pound the shit out of it with a hammer and hope for the best. Both ways remove excessive rock. Only one however leaves the best results for the effort.
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WH4 laid it out there for sure.. guy knows his shit.
as far as supplements go for fat burners, Atlarge nutrition's nitor definately gets the job done if you're not interested in ECA's or bronkaid. When it comes down to it though when you're cutting, you're trying to hold onto as much lean mass as possible at the same time losing the fat. Look at it like turning a black of marble into a sculpture...you can take your time and turn it into a piece of art.. or just pound the shit out of it with a hammer and hope for the best. Both ways remove excessive rock. Only one however leaves the best results for the effort.
cool metaphor/simile/figurative saying (WHATEVER! LOL) ! :)
how about knocking off the big pieces of rock with a sledge hammer then once you got the basic outline switching to a chisel... and once you got it detailed switching to a razor blaze..and once it looks like a piece of art hitting it with some 2000 grit sand paper.. 8)
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cool metaphor/simile/figurative saying (WHATEVER! LOL) ! :)
how about knocking off the big pieces of rock with a sledge hammer then once you got the basic outline switching to a chisel... and once you got it detailed switching to a razor blaze..and once it looks like a piece of art hitting it with some 2000 grit sand paper.. 8)
most people shouldn't even own a screw driver let alone half that shit. Let's just keep it simple shall we.. i know it's get big, but some moron lurkers might read this and get the wrong idea. ;D
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Ok i weigh 225 shouldnt i atleast still be taking in 225gm of protein per day, I have always heard that you should take in atleast 1gm per pound of bodyweight.
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The 1g/lb rule 'o thumb is for lean weight. Calculate your LBM, take that as your protein grams per day and multiply it by 4 to get protein cals for the day, add 120 cals to allow for 30g carbs, subtract the sum of protein and carb cals from 1700 (total cals/day) and divide by 9 to get how many g of fat to eat for the day.
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Dr. Jeff Volek is currently an Assistant Professor in the Department of Kinesiology and holds an adjunct appointment in the Nutritional Sciences [at The University of Connecticut, Storrs, CT.]. Dr. Volek is also a registered dietitian (R.D.) and has conducted several prospective research studies investigating a variety of dietary and exercise interventions. Dr. Volek is a leading authority and researcher in the area of dietary composition and effects on diabetes and cardiovascular disease. He has authored/co-authored over 100 scientific manuscripts as well as several book chapters, conference proceedings, technical reports and editorials. He is co-founder of the Nutrition and Metabolism Society and an Associated Editor of its newly founded open access journal Nutrition & Metabolism. He is also on the Editorial Board of Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise and the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research and routinely serves as an ad hoc reviewer for over a dozen scientific journals. His pioneering work with carbohydrate-restricted diets has been a major thrust for the movement to redefine nutritional recommendation to enhance clinical outcomes. Dr. Volek is routinely invited to present his research findings at the national and international level to professional organizations and to industry. Currently his research is focused on studying novel roles for different dietary supplements and the physiological adaptations to different dietary and exercise regimens with an emphasis on diabetes, cardiovascular disease, weight loss/body composition, and metabolic/endocrine adaptations. His laboratory in the Kinesiology Department has the capabilities of doing state-of-the-art assessments for body composition and biochemical and functional measures related to risk for diabetes and cardiovascular disease
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nitor
Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) 680 mg *
Kola Nut Extract
(50% caffeine) 200 mg *
Green Tea Extract
(90mg of EGCG & 50mg caffeine) 750 mg *
Glucomannan 500 mg *
7 Keto ® (7-oxo-DHEA) 100 mg *
* Daily Value (DV) not established.
AND
Thermocin
Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) 750 mg *
Citrus Aurantium Extract
(4% synephrine) 300 mg *
Green Tea Extract
(90mg of EGCG & 50mg caffeine) 750 mg *
White Willow Bark Extract
(15% salacin) 100 mg *
Zingaber Root 60 mg *
Hydroxycitric Acid (50% HCA) 50 mg *
Proprietary Blend 250 mg *
L-Tyrosine, Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALC), Fisitin,
Magnesium Phosphate, 2 Dimethylaminoethanol
(DMAE)*
looks like most supps,your proprietary blend seems quite underdosed to me and the first product is caffeine a purine alkaloid and a cortisol inhibitor at low dose. What makes your products better, most supps contain this stuff and DMAE is not exactly a great fat burner.Ive been hearing about your supps on these boards lately, good luck with your company, hopefully you will respond and give us a reason why your products are better :)
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Methyl Ripped, Xenadrine Super Hardcore, and Redline gelcaps.
By the way, A2daMIR, that avatar is great. That guy is such a sac.
Hey Mr. President,
How are those ThermoTabs from Gaspari Nutrition working? I found those at Vitamin Shoppe, marked down to about $16, as you mentioned on another thread. So, I thought I'd give them a try.
I've tried other fat-burners like Rev XP, ThermoShred, and Hydroxycut Hardcore, and I've had some success with them (even without the itchy, overheated feeling I got from ThermoShred).
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nitor
Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) 680 mg *
Kola Nut Extract
(50% caffeine) 200 mg *
Green Tea Extract
(90mg of EGCG & 50mg caffeine) 750 mg *
Glucomannan 500 mg *
7 Keto ® (7-oxo-DHEA) 100 mg *
* Daily Value (DV) not established.
AND
Thermocin
Guarana Extract (22% caffeine) 750 mg *
Citrus Aurantium Extract
(4% synephrine) 300 mg *
Green Tea Extract
(90mg of EGCG & 50mg caffeine) 750 mg *
White Willow Bark Extract
(15% salacin) 100 mg *
Zingaber Root 60 mg *
Hydroxycitric Acid (50% HCA) 50 mg *
Proprietary Blend 250 mg *
L-Tyrosine, Acetyl-L-Carnitine (ALC), Fisitin,
Magnesium Phosphate, 2 Dimethylaminoethanol
(DMAE)*
looks like most supps,your proprietary blend seems quite underdosed to me and the first product is caffeine a purine alkaloid and a cortisol inhibitor at low dose. What makes your products better, most supps contain this stuff and DMAE is not exactly a great fat burner.Ive been hearing about your supps on these boards lately, good luck with your company, hopefully you will respond and give us a reason why your products are better :)
Well, for one, you might want to take a 2nd look at the dosing. What you have listed is 1/2 dose for each product. The dosing of our products is actually one of the major differences along with the fact we don't rename compounds to confuse and we keep things very straightforward for the most part. Nitor is hands down one of the most potent fat burners on the market and all of its fat burning ingredients are at LAB PROVEN levels at a full dose of the product. Thermocin is by design a milder product, but still quite effective.
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chris whats the total mg per dose on nitor...of all the active ingredients..
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chris whats the total mg per dose on nitor...of all the active ingredients..
4,460 mg
To be clear, the total number of mg in any product is only important if said ingredients are effective (which they happen to be in Nitor's case).
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4,460 mg
To be clear, the total number of mg in any product is only important if said ingredients are effective (which they happen to be in Nitor's case).
i meant of each one.. like,,, mg of casffiene, mg of egcg..ect
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fish oil = more the better.. to a degree. if you can afford to, taking up to 20-25 grams a day is only going to benefit you, more fat loss, and more muscle retention.
you're wrong, again. not sure why you're still allowed to post on this forum but I'll point something out for you
Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Jun;83(6 Suppl):1467S-1476S.Links
Distribution, interconversion, and dose response of n-3 fatty acids in humans.
Arterburn LM, Hall EB, Oken H.
Martek Biosciences Corporation, Columbia, MD, USA. larterburn@martekbio.com
n-3 Fatty acids have important visual, mental, and cardiovascular health benefits throughout the life cycle. Biodistribution, interconversion, and dose response data are reviewed herein to provide a basis for more rational n-3 dose selections. Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is the principal n-3 fatty acid in tissues and is particularly abundant in neural and retinal tissue. Limited storage of the n-3 fatty acids in adipose tissue suggests that a continued dietary supply is needed. A large proportion of dietary alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) is oxidized, and because of limited interconversion of n-3 fatty acids in humans, ALA supplementation does not result in appreciable accumulation of long-chain n-3 fatty acids in plasma. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) but not DHA concentrations in plasma increase in response to dietary EPA. Dietary DHA results in a dose-dependent, saturable increase in plasma DHA concentrations and modest increases in EPA concentrations. Plasma DHA concentrations equilibrate in approximately 1 mo and then remain at steady state throughout supplementation. DHA doses of approximately 2 g/d result in a near maximal plasma response. Both dietary DHA and EPA reduce plasma arachidonic acid concentrations. Tissue contents of DHA and EPA also increase in response to supplementation with these fatty acids. Human milk contents of DHA are dependent on diet, and infant DHA concentrations are determined by their dietary intake of this fatty acid. We conclude that the most predictable way to increase a specific long-chain n-3 fatty acid in plasma, tissues, or human milk is to supplement with the fatty acid of interest.
Studies with fish oils containing both DHA and EPA have
consistently shown increases in both DHA and EPA in plasma
(25, 63, 74–77). Blonk et al (74) performed a dose-response
analysis of supplementation with marine lipids containing a 2:3
ratio of DHA and EPA at doses up to 6 g total long-chain n3
fatty acids per day. The results of this study, depicted graphically
in Figure 5, suggest a near linear increase in plasma EPA concentrations
and an apparent saturable increase in DHA concentrations
after supplementation with the combination of fatty acids.
The apparent DHA saturation dose was 1.2 g/d, which is
considerably lower than when pure DHA is provided and which
suggests a possible displacement with EPA in plasma phospholipids
Notice the bolded section.
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you're wrong, again. not sure why you're still allowed to post on this forum but I'll point something out for you
The apparent DHA saturation dose was 1.2 g/d, which is
considerably lower than when pure DHA is provided and which
suggests a possible displacement with EPA in plasma phospholipids
Notice the bolded section.
i just said a moment ago in this thread that i wasnt speaking about health effects BRO
and i did say, " TO A DEGREE"
did i not??
take the dick out of your ass and the balls our of your mouth
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i just said a moment ago in this thread that i wasnt speaking about health effects BRO
and i did say, " TO A DEGREE"
did i not??
take the dick out of your ass and the balls our of your mouth
Don't get poopy Candi. Just read the article carefully. You may notice that it talks about DHA absorbtion ceilings, but doesn't contradict anything you said. It would be better to point that out to Mike instead of using the 'ol dick 'n scroat retort.
I disagree with taking extreme doses of pretty much anything, but not because of what that article says.
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Don't get poopy Candi. Just read the article carefully. You may notice that it talks about DHA absorbtion ceilings, but doesn't contradict anything you said. It would be better to point that out to Mike instead of using the 'ol dick 'n scroat retort.
I disagree with taking extreme doses of pretty much anything, but not because of what that article says.
lol "poopy" ;D
im not gonna waste my time trying to speak intelligently to "methyl mike"..this guy finds my posts everytime he logs in and tries to contradict me..
and this part " I just said a moment ago in this thread that i wasnt speaking about health effects BRO " was me pointing out that it didnt contradict what i was saying
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No worries man. 8)
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If you're looking to lose fat rapidly, then forget about making gains at the same time. The best you can do, is just try to maintain as much muscle as possible.
If you've got a lot more time, you can lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. But it's a much, much slower (and much healthier) way to go.
A way which every natural should go btw. You will look much better and make better gains with that.
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as far as i know the body cannot use protein for energy. it can only use fats or sugars. and when a meal is conusmed that lacks sugars, the hormonal release(glucagon) signals for the majority of the body's cells to start running on fat, regardless of whether fat is present in the meal or not. now i that state, the glucose(sugar) demand would be oh so tiny. and for THAT tiny fuel demand, the body would either need a small amount of trace carbs or it would have to convert protien into glucose to use for energy.
Sorry, should have clarified what I meant about using protein for fuel. Much like the way your body will convert fat into ketones for use as fuel; your body can convert amino acids/protein into glucose for use as fuel. And it can do it from both muscle protein and the protein you eat. Your body is amazingly adaptive, so if all it's getting is protein, it's going to start using it as fuel...
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Sorry, should have clarified what I meant about using protein for fuel. Much like the way your body will convert fat into ketones for use as fuel; your body can convert amino acids/protein into glucose for use as fuel. And it can do it from both muscle protein and the protein you eat. Your body is amazingly adaptive, so if all it's getting is protein, it's going to start using it as fuel...
i understand. id be inetrested to see some kind of study on this though... since it seems that a protein based diet wouldnt allow for a majority of energy coming from glucose via glucogensis from protein because a protein diet would come along with certain hormonal signals that make the body run on fats.. not sugars...
but i understand your point also and it is compelling beccause i do believe that the body can adapt to anything
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Go back and read BodyOpus and The Anabolic Diet. The answers you're looking for are behind the author's reasoning for consuming the majority of the diet's calories from Fat, not Protein. Actually, go read the original Atkins book, and it promotes the same thing.
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i remember that.
have you ever read lyle mcdonald?
he is on my side of this fence... in his stuff he explans it how he sees it, that the fat intake is only a calorie ballast to avoid metabolic slow down.. he says makes a big note of the fact that ketosis and a fat metabolism is not dictated by the amount of fatty acids present in the diet, but by the amount(or lack of) glucose in th diet.
i will go back and read body opus and anabolic diet later today though to see wha they exactly say on this
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I have read Lyle's Ultimate Diet 2.0. He kind of backs up my points quite well...
And, under certain conditions, ketosis has potential benefits.
One is protein sparing. Arguably the main reason the brain shifts to using ketones during
starvation is to reduce its reliance on glucose; this means less body protein needs to be broken
down to make glucose. In studies where protein intake is too low, ketosis may also be protein
sparing.
However, UD2 doesn't actually get you into ketosis, or at least it's not concerned with it. Granted UD2 is considered a cyclical ketogenic diet, it's more of a caloric cycling diet - where you go from periods of extremely low-calorie (50% of maintenance) to very high-calorie. The carbohydrate levels are not the heart of the conversation with that book.
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In your guy's opinion what would be a potent enough fat burner to help me lose atleast 20lbs in 2 months? Im looking to cut up, this is the first time i have tried to do this.
Any feedback would help thanx.
lipodrene by high tech.
bench
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I have read Lyle's Ultimate Diet 2.0. He kind of backs up my points quite well...
And, under certain conditions, ketosis has potential benefits.
One is protein sparing. Arguably the main reason the brain shifts to using ketones during
starvation is to reduce its reliance on glucose; this means less body protein needs to be broken
down to make glucose. In studies where protein intake is too low, ketosis may also be protein
sparing.
However, UD2 doesn't actually get you into ketosis, or at least it's not concerned with it. Granted UD2 is considered a cyclical ketogenic diet, it's more of a caloric cycling diet - where you go from periods of extremely low-calorie (50% of maintenance) to very high-calorie. The carbohydrate levels are not the heart of the conversation with that book.
im not so sure that the amount of glucose it takes to run the brain is even significant though. what is it... 20 grams per day glucose needed for brain function when not in ketosis? well i can get 20 grams per day from green leafy evegetables to cover that glucose demand...so that means i would still be just as protein sparing as a ketosis diet... BUT, i would be losing fat faster because of higher intake of green leafy's..and other things lik i can get a higher percentage of calories from protein (more thermic effect, and also less energy calories)..
alot of bodybuilders diet on protein diets. branch warrenn does it. kai green does it. ben white does it.. i kow theres more but those ones i know fosho..