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Wheres the best place to get it ?
I noticed there are a lot of places to get it.
Are they all the same certification
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In my opinion the best are through NSCA and ACSM.
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In my opinion the best are through NSCA and ACSM.
is that a online thing or do you go some place
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In my opinion the best are through NSCA and ACSM.
I agree, along with taking the CSCS
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Wheres the best place to get it ?
I noticed there are a lot of places to get it.
Are they all the same certification
ISSA niiiiggggaaaaaaaa
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In my opinion the best are through NSCA and ACSM.
yea pretty much, those are the only way to go. It will set u apart from the 18 yr old pimply faced 146lbs trainers with there NASM, ISSA, or ACE certs.
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Wheres the best place to get it ?
I noticed there are a lot of places to get it.
Are they all the same certification
rich hairy jewish women.
volando venga mi senga chokatore.
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Its almost impossible to get a certificate, you damn near have to be a rock scientist or engineer, forget about it! ;D
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/Tha_liks/image013.jpg)
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The ACSM is a great cert, to have it's very clinical! Unlike most of the other certs. they don't give the test after the workshop. You have to take it at a testing center! Make sure you study has a pass rate of only 63%! I took the ACSM cPT after I graduated with my B.S. in exercise physiology!
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i just took affa test
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I have a B.S. in Health and Human Performance and am Brushing up on all my shit to take the C.S.C.S. I still associate and keep in contact with some of my professors in order to ask questions and get clarifications in certain areas where I may gain a better understanding through asking/learning over again. Either way the CPT through ACSM and the CSCS through NSCA is gonna be the BEST option for anyone especially if you want to work at a legit gym and make some decent money.
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which are the ones you get in a month? ;D
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yea pretty much, those are the only way to go. It will set u apart from the 18 yr old pimply faced 146lbs trainers with there NASM, ISSA, or ACE certs.
Canidizzle is a nice kid, leave him alone ;D
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Can't you just fake a certificate through the internet - like you can with Harvard or Yale? ;D
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Canidizzle is a nice kid, leave him alone ;D
;)
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hahaha...unless a trainer does this move then I am not impressed!!
can you imagine if this douche slips...
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I never get tired of that picture. I have a thousand images goin' through my head of what could happen just a second after.
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in my country its FIA, AIF or TAFE all the same certifications, but FIA is the best (albeit most expensive too :-\ )
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NASM sucks out loud. I wouldn't let anyone work in my gym with one of those. Anything over the internet wouldn't cut it either. ACE is better for that level of cert.
The real thing is what you do after you get certified. Do you continue learning by reading medical journals etc? Do you learn nutrition on a molecular level and learn how to apply all these things to different people in different scenarios? Can you recognize a tight gracilis and understand the implications and effects of it? How would you fix it while continuing on towards the end goal of the client? Etc...
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Unless you look the part any degree is useless.
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Unless you look the part any degree is useless.
Completely not true. That thinking paves the way for the know nothing, maybe in shape maybe out of shape trainers that infest most corporate big box gyms. It never hurts to look strong and healthy of course, but it's what you know that keeps clients as well as generates refferals.
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ISSA seems good.
I was helping my wife ger her
Certification, and it was quite
educational in some areas.
Plus it is accepted everywhere.
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Wheres the best place to get it ?
I noticed there are a lot of places to get it.
Are they all the same certification
why do you want to get certified? if you want to work as a trainer you have to be a salesman first and foremost. otherwise, a doctorate in physiology and kenseiology from Harvard won't do shit for you. Ask Joe/Coach about the importance of sales and marketing in a pt business.
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why do you want to get certified? if you want to work as a trainer you have to be a salesman first and foremost. otherwise, a doctorate in physiology and kenseiology from Harvard won't do shit for you. Ask Joe/Coach about the importance of sales and marketing in a pt business.
Very true!
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Can't you just fake a certificate through the internet - like you can with Harvard or Yale? ;D
Well that's how Goodrum got his.
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Well that's how Goodrum got his.
hahahaha...and you see how well it's worked for him.
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i get my best lifts listening to Motorhead
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Completely not true. That thinking paves the way for the know nothing, maybe in shape maybe out of shape trainers that infest most corporate big box gyms. It never hurts to look strong and healthy of course, but it's what you know that keeps clients as well as generates refferals.
True but the big corparate gym i used to work out in had trainers in great shape in demand from clients, but there were a few gurus who were once in shape doing nicely.
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I'm not American, but I 'import' trainers for my gym here. ISSA, AFAA, ISMA etc - I cannot even get them a work permit on. It's considered very inadequate. ACSM is considered far superior, at least here.
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I have a BS degree in Exercise Physiology and I'm also an NSPA-CPT and CCS Instructor. I teach the NSPA course down here in Miami at Miami-Dade College. The course runs for 6 weeks and the NSPA certification is a great one. I have others, including NSCA-CSCS, NFPT-CPT, and NSPA-CCS, but I think for a first time certification the NSPA-CPT is a very good one to get. IDEA ranked the NSPA certificate among the "TOP 10" certification bodies in the USA.
If you live in the Miami area and want to register for the course, you may do so here:
http://www.mdc.edu/ce/north/?app=10&newwin=Y
On the left hand side of the screen, scroll over "Professional Workforce" then, "Certification Programs" then, "Personal Trainer"
Ricky
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I have a BS degree in Exercise Physiology and I'm also an NSPA-CPT and CCS Instructor. I teach the NSPA course down here in Miami at Miami-Dade College. The course runs for 6 weeks and the NSPA certification is a great one. I have others, including NSCA-CSCS, NFPT-CPT, and NSPA-CCS, but I think for a first time certification the NSPA-CPT is a very good one to get. IDEA ranked the NSPA certificate among the "TOP 10" certification bodies in the USA.
If you live in the Miami area and want to register for the course, you may do so here:
http://www.mdc.edu/ce/north/?app=10&newwin=Y
On the left hand side of the screen, scroll over "Professional Workforce" then, "Certification Programs" then, "Personal Trainer"
Ricky
Is this the personal training cert that allows personal trainers to write prescriptions?
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personal trainers are just gym teachers who dont want to wake up early for school....
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personal trainers are just gym teachers who dont want to wake up early for school....
for once you said something that makes sense.
personal trainers often live off someone else (ie: wife's real job) .
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Where is Charles Glass Certified?
I don't think he even bothered.
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I have an ACE certification, and I thought the test was a complete joke.
Questions like:
'What is a concentric action?'
'What is a lacto-ovo vegetarian?'
'You see someone bench pressing in the gym and they are bouncing the bar off their chest, what do you do?
'One of your female clients mentions to you that she thinks another personal trainer at the club is good looking and is interested in dating him, what do you do?'
Knowing what a lacto-ovo vegetarian or concentric actions are has nothing at all to do w/ personal training. And the other questions for their ethics part that are opinionated and have no right or wrong answer but are scored quantitatively sure are ethical ::)
The test was designed basically so that someone 5 foot tall and 400lbs who has never set foot inside a gym could study a bunch of terms and pass the test and be a CPT, despite not having a clue what a military press is, or what happens when you move your hands close together when doing a flat bench press.
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why do you want to get certified? if you want to work as a trainer you have to be a salesman first and foremost. otherwise, a doctorate in physiology and kenseiology from Harvard won't do shit for you. Ask Joe/Coach about the importance of sales and marketing in a pt business.
BINGO!
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personal trainers often live off someone else (ie: wife's real job) .
This unfortunately is also quite true!
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As far as personal trainers go today,they may be certified but very few are qualified!
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Completely not true. That thinking paves the way for the know nothing, maybe in shape maybe out of shape trainers that infest most corporate big box gyms. It never hurts to look strong and healthy of course, but it's what you know that keeps clients as well as generates refferals.
disagree. if you are a business man, you should wear a suit and look accordingly. If you are a personal trainer, you should look like you have spent a good amount of time in the gym working out yourself.
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disagree. if you are a business man, you should wear a suit and look accordingly. If you are a personal trainer, you should look like you have spent a good amount of time in the gym working out yourself.
well, you don't have to look like a competitor. I hire pts all the time. My biggest producer is a 48 year old woman in decent shape, but nothing to write home about. But this woman has the ability to develop a rapport with someone within 2 minutes of talking to her. she just know how to connect with people.
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I agree with the above, and in many cases, but not all that many folks would prefer to vent and treat their training sessions as some sort of therapy session as opposed to seeing actual results.
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how much money are we talking about guys
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for once you said something that makes sense.
personal trainers often live off someone else (ie: wife's real job) .
Is that a fact?? I support my family, wife works with me (mostly accounting stuff). My son goes to private school, we have a home 30 yards from the beach and one in Palm Springs, we have nice cars, money in the bank and a reletively stress free life. Define a REAL job for me will ya!
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Is that a fact?? I support my family, wife works with me (mostly accounting stuff). My son goes to private school, we have a home 30 yards from the beach and one in Palm Springs, we have nice cars, money in the bank and a reletively stress free life. Define a REAL job for me will ya!
I rarely even try to bother trying to say this anymore Joe, but once more I go lol..
I started as trainer, eventually bought both my house and gym off that money - and did it single so there was no 'spouse' to live off.
If you are some half ass rep counter with 'regular people' as clients, well then you make cheesy money. If you build up to getting the upper echelon of clients, who will pay obscene sums of money, you can make a very good living. Not referring to the local pimply face 22 year trainer at the YMCA, but those that moved up the ladder, which granted are a tiny %.
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hey coach and moose, how many times did you train someone who ended looking better than you from your teaching?
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disagree. if you are a business man, you should wear a suit and look accordingly. If you are a personal trainer, you should look like you have spent a good amount of time in the gym working out yourself.
I agree with that. I'm saying that being in shape doesn't mean that you know what you're doing. The 2 don't equate. I think you should be in shape personally and I wouldn't hire a fat or scrawny trainer for my gym. You want a knowledgeable trainer who practices what they preach
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hey coach and moose, how many times did you train someone who ended looking better than you from your teaching?
How many of Charles Glass' clients look better than him from his training?
BTW, that was a REALLY dumb question. But if you must know, I look better and can keep up with alot of my younger athletes.
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hey coach and moose, how many times did you train someone who ended looking better than you from your teaching?
again, you have no idea what you are talking about. although i don't train people anymore, very few of my clients even wanted to look like me. not everyone has the same goals, ever think about that einstein? take for example the 50 year old golfer that wanted to put yards on his drive, or the 30 year old new mom that wanted someone to motivate her to lose the baby fat or the 45 year old diabetic woman that wanted to get reduce her dependency on meds. sure i have trained a handful of competitive bb'ers, but very few. so stick to what you know--playing video games on your computer and shut the fuck up.
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again, you have no idea what you are talking about. although i don't train people anymore, very few of my clients even wanted to look like me. not everyone has the same goals, ever think about that einstein? take for example the 50 year old golfer that wanted to put yards on his drive, or the 30 year old new mom that wanted someone to motivate her to lose the baby fat or the 45 year old diabetic woman that wanted to get reduce her dependency on meds. sure i have trained a handful of competitive bb'ers, but very few. so stick to what you know--playing video games on your computer and shut the fuck up.
Good post.
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A majority of the clients are normal people just looking for someone to keep them company during their workout and push them to continue to get to the gym. Alot of people feel they need that push so they hire someone. It makes them feel better about what they are doing. In the end, that's what really makes training what it's all about. Feeling good about oneself and improving health and confidence.
I agree that MANY of the personal trainers are not very good. I shake my head at what I see sometimes and I even get agitiated because I feel that clients are getting cheated or not what they should for their money. I could go on and on about that, but I won't.
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again, you have no idea what you are talking about. although i don't train people anymore, very few of my clients even wanted to look like me. not everyone has the same goals, ever think about that einstein? take for example the 50 year old golfer that wanted to put yards on his drive, or the 30 year old new mom that wanted someone to motivate her to lose the baby fat or the 45 year old diabetic woman that wanted to get reduce her dependency on meds. sure i have trained a handful of competitive bb'ers, but very few. so stick to what you know--playing video games on your computer and shut the fuck up.
Ok, lets rephrase it; did this 30 yo mom , this 50 yo golfer and the 45 yo diabetic woman achieve their goal?
Did you really help them in the long term?
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Ok, lets rephrase it; did this 30 yo mom , this 50 yo golfer and the 45 yo diabetic woman achieve their goal?
Did you really help them in the long term?
actually i did. i had plenty of clients that did.
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I rarely even try to bother trying to say this anymore Joe, but once more I go lol..
I started as trainer, eventually bought both my house and gym off that money - and did it single so there was no 'spouse' to live off.
If you are some half ass rep counter with 'regular people' as clients, well then you make cheesy money. If you build up to getting the upper echelon of clients, who will pay obscene sums of money, you can make a very good living. Not referring to the local pimply face 22 year trainer at the YMCA, but those that moved up the ladder, which granted are a tiny %.
Well said. I started off independent and have stayed that way. I kept learning as I went (and still do) and now I own a nice gym, have a nice home with my wife and son, and live a good life. There's always the stereotypical trainer to point to but remember that not all of us fit that mold. Same as any profession for that matter. Being a gym patron and observing a few trainers whether they're lousy or brilliant, does not begin to qualify someone as knowledgeable in the field or as someone who can accurately assess why a client would use a trainer. The whole "keep them company" argument is false. The majority of the people I train are looking to be strong and healthy. The others are professional athletes in figure skating, body building, football, and basketball. The non athletes want a lifestyle change. They want me to educate them on nutrition as well as proper techniques amongst many other things related to health. Certainly there are those looking to hang out and have themselves validated by a trainer that they had a good workout etc etc. Those people are few and far between. I usually suggest that they find a workout partner instead. The athletes are looking to maximize their potential and through the tweaking of not just major things, but tiny nuances, we achieve their goals.
I think I'm going to start a thread about young know nothing office workers who work at major corporations or are interns. Obviously they make no money, live off others, and could use an education from me since I've been in an office before. I've walked into several over my 39 years of life as a matter of fact. Upon further reflection, based upon that conclusion, it makes perfect sense to me that anyone working in that setting is a incompetent fool...
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I have an ACE certification, and I thought the test was a complete joke.
Questions like:
'What is a concentric action?'
'What is a lacto-ovo vegetarian?'
'You see someone bench pressing in the gym and they are bouncing the bar off their chest, what do you do?
'One of your female clients mentions to you that she thinks another personal trainer at the club is good looking and is interested in dating him, what do you do?'
Knowing what a lacto-ovo vegetarian or concentric actions are has nothing at all to do w/ personal training. And the other questions for their ethics part that are opinionated and have no right or wrong answer but are scored quantitatively sure are ethical ::)
The test was designed basically so that someone 5 foot tall and 400lbs who has never set foot inside a gym could study a bunch of terms and pass the test and be a CPT, despite not having a clue what a military press is, or what happens when you move your hands close together when doing a flat bench press.
Granted these are some basic questions, some are difficult some are easy, BUT i want you to answer WHY these questions are not relavant to personal training. Is it because you studied the answer and concluded they were easy answers to remember OR is it because you don't know the "when, why or whats" of the questions themselves?
Did you get your cert just to become a "rep counter" or to actually help people? If you got it just for some extra money and just to be rep counter, then you don't need to know much more than just the test answer it self, but if you are doing as a business to make a living from then I suggest you find out WHY you need to know this stuff.
If people on this site bothered to do some research on the PT business, they would find that it goes faaaaaaaaaaar beyond than what they make it out to be. Professional organizations, case study research journals, workshops, conventions, I can go on forever. I have 4 certs that I constantly have to keep up on because most if not all certs require you to do a certain amount of CEU's (continuing education units) each year.
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Ok, lets rephrase it; did this 30 yo mom , this 50 yo golfer and the 45 yo diabetic woman achieve their goal?
Did you really help them in the long term?
In my case...yes. I have had the majority of my clientel for at least 5 years.
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Is that a fact?? I support my family, wife works with me (mostly accounting stuff). My son goes to private school, we have a home 30 yards from the beach and one in Palm Springs, we have nice cars, money in the bank and a reletively stress free life. Define a REAL job for me will ya!
C'mon, Joe. Does this really count?
But, seriously, when evaluating a profession you have to see how it compares to other professions. I think it's safe to say that you're in the top 5% of what you do. The real question is how does the median trainer compare to the median professionals in other fields with regard to income and benefits.
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C'mon, Joe. Does this really count?
But, seriously, when evaluating a profession you have to see how it compares to other professions. I think it's safe to say that you're in the top 5% of what you do. The real question is how does the median trainer compare to the median professionals in other fields with regard to income and benefits.
It really depends on the motivation of the person. My advice has always been don't work for anyone but yourself. That being said a person who is an independant contractor can easily make $60k here in So.Cal just by working 4-5 hrs per day 5 days per week that's roughly 5 clients per day, maybe 2 in the morning and 2-3 in the evening. I would say thats about the average for an independant contractor. Of course it would be quite a bit less for an employee type trainer.