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Doh! "And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did," the Arizona senator said in a harshly worded statement issued Thursday.
McCain, Obama Spar on GI Bill
Thursday, May 22, 2008 7:30 PM
Republican John McCain said Thursday that Democrat Barack Obama had no right to criticize McCain's position on military scholarships because the Illinois senator did not serve in uniform.
"And I will not accept from Senator Obama, who did not feel it was his responsibility to serve our country in uniform, any lectures on my regard for those who did," the Arizona senator said in a harshly worded statement issued Thursday.
McCain lashed out at Obama's personal history despite Obama's repeated praise of McCain's military service. As Obama said Tuesday night in Des Moines, Iowa: "We face an opponent, John McCain, who arrived in Washington nearly three decades ago as a Vietnam War hero, and earned an admirable reputation for straight talk and occasional independence from his party."
McCain was a Navy fighter pilot who was shot down and spent nearly six years as a Vietnam prisoner of war. At age 46, Obama is too young to have been drafted or fought in Vietnam. Direct U.S. military involvement in the Vietnam War officially ended in 1973, the same year the military draft was ended and replaced by an all-volunteer military.
The candidates' criticism of each other has grown increasingly acrimonious in recent weeks, a sign of things to come in the general election campaign.
At issue is an expansion of the GI bill that would guarantee full college scholarships for those who serve in the military for three years. The Democratic-led Senate passed the measure, sponsored by Sen. Jim Webb, D-Va., and supported by Obama, on Thursday by a 75-22 vote as 25 Republicans abandoned President Bush, who opposed it.
Obama and his rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, returned to Washington for the vote. McCain stayed in California to campaign and raise money.
McCain opposes the measure, as does the Pentagon, out of concern that providing such a benefit after only three years of service would encourage people to leave the military after completing only one enlistment even as the U.S. fights two wars and is trying to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps.
Instead, McCain and Republican colleagues proposed a bill to increase benefits in conjunction with a veteran's length of service. Senate Democrats blocked the measure last week.
"Most worrying to me is that by hurting retention, we will reduce the numbers of men and women who we train to become the backbone of all the services, the noncommissioned officer," McCain said in his statement.
While McCain was joined on the campaign trail in California by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, former Gov. Pete Wilson and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman, Obama reiterated his respect for McCain's service in a speech on the Senate floor.
"He is one of those heroes of which I speak," Obama said. "But I can't understand why he would line up behind the president in his opposition to this GI bill. I can't believe why he believes it is too generous to our veterans. I could not disagree with him and the president more on this issue. There are many issues that lend themselves to partisan posturing, but giving our veterans the chance to go to college should not be one of them."
McCain's campaign said Obama was getting personal by suggesting McCain considered the bill too generous to veterans and by raising the issue of partisan posturing.
In his statement, McCain accused Obama of being motivated by politics.
"Perhaps if Senator Obama would take the time and trouble to understand this issue, he would learn to debate an honest disagreement respectfully," McCain said. "But, as he always does, he prefers impugning the motives of his opponent, and exploiting a thoughtful difference of opinion to advance his own ambitions."
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/mccain_gi_bill/2008/05/22/98293.html
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Obama must have been confused during his 1 trip to Iraq, figuring that qualified him.
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McBush crashed 5 jets. any pilot w/o "family connections" is permanently grounded after 2 accidents. McBush deserved to be tortured !
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He's a war hero for dropping bombs on Vietnamese kids.
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He's a war hero for dropping bombs on Vietnamese kids.
A US attack method developed by one of the nations greatest generals during WWII
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Mccain needs to drink his prune juice and STFU.
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Mccain needs to drink his prune juice and STFU.
;D
fuckin' Bush ass-licking senile old bastard
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He's a war hero for dropping bombs on Vietnamese kids.
And yet I'm sure you supported John "Yes We're All War Criminals" Kerry. Hypoctracy, Liberal be Thy Name.
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And yet I'm sure you supported John "Yes We're All War Criminals" Kerry. Hypoctracy, Liberal be Thy Name.
Takes a man to admit that he was wrong.
Takes a weasel to claim heroism from crashing 5 jets and being held captive by the supposed enemy in an absolutely meaningless war.
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Takes a man to admit that he was wrong.
Takes a weasel to claim heroism from crashing 5 jets and being held captive by the supposed enemy in an absolutely meaningless war.
Ok are you the man admitting you are wrong?
Or are you the weasel attacking McCain?
Wrong Man or Attacking Weasel? Which are you?
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Ok are you the man admitting you are wrong?
Or are you the weasle attacking McCain?
Wrong Man or Attacking Weasle? Which are you?
What's a "weasle," ken starr wannabe?
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neither mccain nor obama can brag.
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McBush crashed 5 jets.
That's nothing, he crashed an entire country! :o
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Everyone should have to do two years in the active military and three years reserve duty.
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Serving a year or two in the military would likely change the shit attitudes of many of the youth in this country.
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Didn't realize there are so many countries with a mandatory military service requirement.
3.1 Albania
3.2 Armenia
3.3 Austria
3.4 Belarus
3.5 Bermuda
3.6 Brazil
3.7 China (PRC)
3.8 Colombia
3.9 Cyprus
3.10 Denmark
3.11 Egypt
3.12 Finland
3.13 Germany
3.14 Greece
3.14.1 Conscientious objection to military service (Greece)
3.15 Iran
3.16 Israel
3.17 South Korea
3.18 Mexico
3.19 Norway
3.20 Poland
3.21 Russia
3.22 Serbia
3.23 Singapore
3.24 Sweden
3.25 Switzerland
3.26 Taiwan (ROC)
3.27 Turkey
3.28 Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service
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Didn't realize there are so many countries with a mandatory military service requirement.
3.1 Albania
3.2 Armenia
3.3 Austria
3.4 Belarus
3.5 Bermuda
3.6 Brazil
3.7 China (PRC)
3.8 Colombia
3.9 Cyprus
3.10 Denmark
3.11 Egypt
3.12 Finland
3.13 Germany
3.14 Greece
3.14.1 Conscientious objection to military service (Greece)
3.15 Iran
3.16 Israel
3.17 South Korea
3.18 Mexico
3.19 Norway
3.20 Poland
3.21 Russia
3.22 Serbia
3.23 Singapore
3.24 Sweden
3.25 Switzerland
3.26 Taiwan (ROC)
3.27 Turkey
3.28 Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service
Feel free to take your misbegotten spawn and move to serbia as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
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Feel free to take your misbegotten spawn and move to serbia as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
Beach bum never served his country.
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Feel free to take your misbegotten spawn and move to serbia as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
Possibly the only thing callous has posted that I agree with:
While I hide behind my keyboard like the pussy I am
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Possibly the only thing callous has posted that I agree with:
HAhahahaha. You're a sad man.
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He's a war hero for dropping bombs on Vietnamese kids.
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Everyone should have to do two years in the active military and three years reserve duty.
Yes. This would complete our Fascist development.
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Yes. This would complete our Fascist development.
Yeah.
I really hate the idea that you have to serve in the military in order to care about this country. Forget about speaking out on important issues! Just follow like a duimbass, or join the marines. ::)
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Yeah.
I really hate the idea that you have to serve in the military in order to care about this country. Forget about speaking out on important issues! Just follow like a duimbass, or join the marines. ::)
You don't have to serve to care about the country or be a patriot.
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No u don't but feel free not to comment negatively on the sacrifices others have made in ur place. Also the dumbass Marines comments...and associated stuff that makes the military seem like idiots. I can tell u that most of u couldn't even remotely comprehend how advanced our militray is, how techical and complicated what we do is, and how hard it is to do what we do. The level of sophistication is beyond anything u can imagine. So bring on the "how come ur loosing to a bunch of untrained idiots with AK's. Well because u lib pricks won't let us carpet bomb the dogshit out of them.
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No u don't but feel free not to comment negatively on the sacrifices others have made in ur place. Also the dumbass Marines comments...and associated stuff that makes the military seem like idiots. I can tell u that most of u couldn't even remotely comprehend how advanced our militray is, how techical and complicated what we do is, and how hard it is to do what we do. The level of sophistication is beyond anything u can imagine. So bring on the "how come ur loosing to a bunch of untrained idiots with AK's. Well because u lib pricks won't let us carpet bomb the dogshit out of them.
The level of sophistication is so great that it circled back around to stupidity.
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No u don't but feel free not to comment negatively on the sacrifices others have made in ur place. Also the dumbass Marines comments...and associated stuff that makes the military seem like idiots. I can tell u that most of u couldn't even remotely comprehend how advanced our militray is, how techical and complicated what we do is, and how hard it is to do what we do. The level of sophistication is beyond anything u can imagine. So bring on the "how come ur loosing to a bunch of untrained idiots with AK's. Well because u lib pricks won't let us carpet bomb the dogshit out of them.
How so?
I thought the Generals and then The Commander and Chief made the determination on how to conduct the war.
If they want to carpet bomb, all they have to do is give the order.
They are too afraid of what the public opinion would be to do it though... How is that some "liberals" doing?
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committees
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committees
Who is on these committees?
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Who is on these committees?
Apparently, Congress is exercising the executive's War Power these days, and only youandme and hh6 are wise enough to see it. ::)
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How so?
I thought the Generals and then The Commander and Chief made the determination on how to conduct the war.
If they want to carpet bomb, all they have to do is give the order.
They are too afraid of what the public opinion would be to do it though... How is that some "liberals" doing?
Your joking right. Public opinion shapes everything. We can do alot on the tactical level...but to really fight a total war...nobody will allow for that.
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HH6 is going to Iraq.
I think the question is pointless.
You don't believe the war is justified. Fine. Many people agree with you.
However the war isn't just Bush's congress and senate voted for the war as well.
Obama can say whatever he wants, but he couldn't vote. I guarantee that if he was in the senate at the time and wanted to run for President, his voting would not have been against the war.
Congress and the Senate could have pulled the troops out at any time. Just like they did in Vietnam. It hasn't happened.
The US Congress and Senate democrats also voted against the Surge. By almost all accounts, the surge has worked in the way the military wanted it to.
Remember the pledge by congress to have the most successful 100 days in American history, and to have the US out of Iraq.
Now congress has a lower approval rating then the president.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107242/Congress-Approval-Rating-Ties-Lowest-Gallup-Records.aspx
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No u don't but feel free not to comment negatively on the sacrifices others have made in ur place. Also the dumbass Marines comments...and associated stuff that makes the military seem like idiots. I can tell u that most of u couldn't even remotely comprehend how advanced our militray is, how techical and complicated what we do is, and how hard it is to do what we do. The level of sophistication is beyond anything u can imagine. So bring on the "how come ur loosing to a bunch of untrained idiots with AK's. Well because u lib pricks won't let us carpet bomb the dogshit out of them.
To me, it is because of passion.
Bottom line - America invaded Iraq. They are on Iraqi soil killing Iraqi women and kids. The whys can be debated, but that is a fact.
Americans are all passionate about 9/11 fair enough. If someone invaded America you will all fight to the death.
So will others. To expect to step on someone's soil, kill their people and they smile is irrational. No nation or people will lay down for that. None.
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Your joking right. Public opinion shapes everything. We can do alot on the tactical level...but to really fight a total war...nobody will allow for that.
Seems that public opinion doesn't count in general, as we're still in Iraq when public opinion says we should be out.
So why would they care what public opinion has to say in regards to the bodycount?
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Seems that public opinion doesn't count in general, as we're still in Iraq when public opinion says we should be out.
So why would they care what public opinion has to say in regards to the bodycount?
If HH6 had half a brain in his head, he would know that the public opinion that matters is not ours, but that of the public in the Kingdom of Saud, the ARE and Syria.