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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Mega Man on May 26, 2008, 08:22:30 PM
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I always see people saying use hcg for pct but never HMG?
It seems HMG would be better than HCG because HCG only "MIMICS" the luteinizing hormone (LH), where as HMG actualy is the synthetic version of not only the luteinizing hormone (LH), but also the FSH hormone.
So why would we pick HCG for pct that only mimics the LH hormone....when we can take HMG which is a mixture of both the LH and FSH hormones?
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hmg is new and expensive..
probably why right there
i agree though it interests me as well
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I always see people saying use hcg for pct but never HMG?
It seems HMG would be better than HCG because HCG only "MIMICS" the luteinizing hormone (LH), where as HMG actualy is the synthetic version of not only the luteinizing hormone (LH), but also the FSH hormone.
So why would we pick HCG for pct that only mimics the LH hormone....when we can take HMG which is a mixture of both the LH and FSH hormones?
your a newbie and im assuming you have never used hcg...why dont you try it after your cycle and you will see why people recomend it...it works greatt..no need to mess with hmg...
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your a newbie and im assuming you have never used hcg...why dont you try it after your cycle and you will see why people recomend it...it works greatt..no need to mess with hmg...
I know HCG works...that has nothing to do with my question.
I'm saying if HMG works bettter...why not use that?
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I know HCG works...that has nothing to do with my question.
I'm saying if HMG works bettter...why not use that?
Does it work better? It's primarily used to stimulate spermatogenesis in males and I know it has been used to treat hypogonadism. But I haven't really read up enough on it to give an opinion. For now since HCG is much more readily available and has been proven to work, I'll stick with that.
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This link has some good general info....
It looks like HMG is mainly FSH but has a little LH....and HCG is just LH...
So it looks like it makes sense to use HCG and HMG tother....along with clomid for the best pct.
http://www.fertilethoughts.com/malpani/new/Chap23.html
Medicines Used In Male Infertility Treatments
HMG and HCG
These are useful in stimulating sperm production in men with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (men with low FSH and LH levels, because of hypothalamic or pituitary malfunction), but this is a rare condition.
Treatment often takes many months to restore the sperm quality to fertile levels. Combination treatment is required, with HCG stimulating testosterone production; and FSH stimulating sperm production. Initially, the man takes HCG injections thrice a week for about 6 months. This normally causes the size of the testes to increase and the testosterone to reach normal levels. HMG injections are then added. These can be mixed with the HCG and are also given thrice a week. Once sperm production has been achieved, the HMG can be stopped; and HCG treatment continued alone. While sperm counts achieved are usually low (less than 10 million per ml), a successful pregnancy can be achieved in 50 % of correctly diagnosed patients.
Unfortunately, these expensive injections are often misused as "empiric" therapy in men with low sperm counts - with expectedly disappointing results.
Bromocryptine
As in the female, this is used to lower unusually elevated levels of prolactin.
Testosterone
This is given to suppress sperm production in the hope that when medication is stopped (usually after 5-6 months), then the sperm production will "rebound " to higher levels than originally (testosterone rebound). :o ???
This form of treatment is now seldom used as it may further impair fertility and is hazardous. Testosterone is also be used for the treatment of impotence or diminished libido when blood testosterone levels are low. Testosterone is available as an oily injection and is given
intramuscularly, usually once a week. Oral preparations are also available now, but these are more expensive and may not be as effective.
Clomiphene
This is the most commonly prescribed medicine for infertile men. Its use is largely empirical and very controversial as the results are not predictable. This is usually prescribed as a 25 mg tablet, to be taken once a day, for 25 days per month, for a course of 3 to 6 months. It acts by increasing the levels of FSH and LH, which stimulate the testes to produce testosterone and sperm. The group of men who seem to benefit the most from clomiphene have low sperm counts, with low or low-normal gonadotropin levels. However, while clomiphene may increase sperm counts in selected men, it hasn't been proven effective in increasing pregnancy rates.
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From what I've been reading it seems that using HCG and HMG together (with clomid) for PCT.....would be the best thing....if money or supply was no problem.....it's just common sense. 8)
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I ordered some HMG...and Im gonna take along with HCG and clomid for my next pct and see how the results are!