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Title: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2008, 07:20:44 AM
Good grief.  How do these people get hired in the first place?  Lawsuit to follow . . .   

Elementary school student voted out of class
Wednesday,May 28, 2008

A school teacher in Florida might just feel like she is on trial after she allegedly has her class vote whether one student should stay or go.

The kindergarten teacher at Morningside Elementary in Port St. Lucie allegedly stood a 5-year old boy in front of the class and had each student tell Alex Barton what they didn't like about him.
Then the teacher, Wendy Portillo allegedly had the class vote on whether they wanted him to stay in the class.

Alex Barton's mother, Melissa says her son suffers from Asperger Syndrome, a form of autism.
Portillo told officials she has never abused any student.

School officials in Port St. Lucie say the kindergarten teacher has been reassigned while the local school system investigates her actions.

A petition is being circulated to have the teacher removed.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6169384
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on May 28, 2008, 07:56:53 AM
Im not sure of the whole story but heard about it on CNN last night. If thats what she really did than that is fucked up.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: stormshadow on May 28, 2008, 08:48:48 AM
Im not sure of the whole story but heard about it on CNN last night. If thats what she really did than that is fucked up.

Yes, she should have had the class elect representatives, then allow them to be paid off by the rich kids in the class to "vote" on whether he stays or goes.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Tre on May 28, 2008, 08:50:32 AM

What's fucked up about it?

If a kid is misbehaving and the other kids are tired of his shit, then they should (in some cases) be given the authority to vote him out of the classroom. 
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: drkaje on May 28, 2008, 08:53:33 AM
It's a serious problem. Advocates are pushing to have specisl needs children put in regular classes. They don't care that other kids are slowed down. It's a battle of entitlements where the resources are limited.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 09:03:17 AM
Teachers single out kids everyday for disruptive behavior, by moving their card, writing their name on the board, or sending them to time-out.

In this particular case, the teacher was trying to teach grade K kids how to act, and how not to act. 

Teacher was stupid to 'vote someone out'.  However, you'll see this all the time in schools, where groups will address behaviors.  "What does johnny do that makes you upset, susie"?, etc. 

BB, can you twinkle your nose and create an elementary ed degree so you'll know what you're talking about here?  Mine is actually real, son ;)
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
Doing what the Teach to a 5 year child can have a damaging effect that can affect emotional growth.  The Teacher made a mistake.

The kid was too young to resort to doing something like that.   It shows the Teacher lacks skill or education needed to manage and teach 5 year olds.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 09:27:19 AM
Right.  teacher should have addressed the behaviors, and voted the behaviors out of class.

Not the kid.

Kinda like the Cumdumsters on the Politics board who attack the messenger, and not the message.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 09:31:34 AM
Right.  teacher should have addressed the behaviors, and voted the behaviors out of class.

Not the kid.

Kinda like the Cumdumsters on the Politics board who attack the messenger, and not the message.

Huh?

You eating those funny corn flakes again?
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: shootfighter1 on May 28, 2008, 09:34:04 AM
Nothing wrong with pointing out his negative behaviors and allowing him to hear some feedback from others but the way it was done was inappropriate for certain.
I'd look at the rest of the teacher's record before firing her.  Though, she should be reprimanded in some fashion for the poor judgement.
I see the mom has created internet hysteria over this....
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: drkaje on May 28, 2008, 09:34:41 AM
Doing what the Teach to a 5 year child can have a damaging effect that can affect emotional growth.  The Teacher made a mistake.

The kid was too young to resort to doing something like that.   It shows the Teacher lacks skill or education needed to manage and teach 5 year olds.

The kid has aspbergers (sp?). No amount of scolding would change that. I'm wondering if the parents disclosed it or if he should have even been in that class.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 09:34:50 AM
Huh?

You eating those funny corn flakes again?

I'm not talking about you.  I was referring to another moderator who always yells "moon landing" to discredit a messenger when he's baffleed/owned/flabbergasted at an argument (message).

Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 09:40:50 AM
The kid has aspbergers (sp?). No amount of scolding would change that. I'm wondering if the parents disclosed it or if he should have even been in that class.

Of course i didn't read that the student didn't have AS.  Skimming is a bad habit.

That makes it even worse.  My Son (17) has a mild form of AS. 

The Parents should have informed the school or Teachers of their child's condition.   If they had and the Teacher did what they did, then the Teacher should be fired immediately.   If it was my son, I'd have the Teacher fired in a heart beat.

On top of all that, one of the TEacher's job in Kindergarten is teaching social skills.  The Teacher failed and should be reeducated.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2008, 10:31:16 AM
Teachers single out kids everyday for disruptive behavior, by moving their card, writing their name on the board, or sending them to time-out.

In this particular case, the teacher was trying to teach grade K kids how to act, and how not to act. 

Teacher was stupid to 'vote someone out'.  However, you'll see this all the time in schools, where groups will address behaviors.  "What does johnny do that makes you upset, susie"?, etc. 

BB, can you twinkle your nose and create an elementary ed degree so you'll know what you're talking about here?  Mine is actually real, son ;)

You have an elementary education degree??  [stifling laughter]

So when did you get fired? 
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2008, 10:32:06 AM
Huh?

You eating those funny corn flakes again?

I think he probably prefers this kind of cereal:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cf/CocoaPuffs.jpg)
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2008, 10:33:25 AM
Of course i didn't read that the student didn't have AS.  Skimming is a bad habit.

That makes it even worse.  My Son (17) has a mild form of AS. 

The Parents should have informed the school or Teachers of their child's condition.   If they had and the Teacher did what they did, then the Teacher should be fired immediately.   If it was my son, I'd have the Teacher fired in a heart beat.

On top of all that, one of the TEacher's job in Kindergarten is teaching social skills.  The Teacher failed and should be reeducated.

I agree.  Terrible decision by the teacher.  If the kid is that much of a disruption, call his parents, remove him from the classroom, etc., but don't humiliate the kid.   
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 10:41:45 AM
You have an elementary education degree??  [stifling laughter]

So when did you get fired? 

Yes.  Stifle your laughter.  You admitted you were a high school dropout here, and patted yourself on the back for overcoming such great odds in building a business up.  Later, when conversationally convenient, you became a college professor instantly.

I taught elementary, then middle, then adult computer education as I earned my computer certifications and an AS in Computer networking and became a school netadmin.  Then, a college hired me to do 1/3 of their university website, and paid for my MBA, and I went for it.

Stifle your laughter.  Mock my degree, and mock the fact I work from home.  Most dads would love to have the opportunity to work from home 4 hours a day and make a good living, and spend the other hours playing with their children.  As you get up and put on your tie for work each day, I have some OJ in my slippers and decide if I want to play in the pool, or just watch cartoons. 
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Tre on May 28, 2008, 10:47:48 AM

Kids need to know that, if they pee in the sandbox, other kids are not going to want to play with them.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Nothing wrong with having a conversation with a group, and talking about what behaviors are acceptable, and which are unacceptable.

Especially in grade K, where kids may not know.

The teacher was wrong to place the kid in front of the room to do it, and to vote him out of the room.  Just sit in a circle, nonthreatening, where everyone is equal, and talk about how the disruptive behavior is making the classroom worse for everyone. 

Teacher probably wanted a little revenge on the kid for being wild during the last 2 weeks of school.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: MB_722 on May 28, 2008, 10:53:41 AM
I taught elementary, then middle, then adult computer education as I earned my computer certifications and an AS in Computer networking and became a school netadmin.  Then, a college hired me to do 1/3 of their university website, and paid for my MBA, and I went for it.

Stifle your laughter.  Mock my degree, and mock the fact I work from home.  Most dads would love to have the opportunity to work from home 4 hours a day and make a good living, and spend the other hours playing with their children.  As you get up and put on your tie for work each day, I have some OJ in my slippers and decide if I want to play in the pool, or just watch cartoons.

nice accomplishment  :)
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 10:58:41 AM
good job!  :)

thanks man.  I used to have delusions of getting a record deal and getting rich.  Then I had plans to work for a big company, got a summer internship at a law firm and ended up managing a big dotnetnuke programming project.  hated it.  hated meetings, hated corporate life.

I'll never be a millionaire, and I'm okay with that.  And teaching elementary school was seriously fun, I gotta tell you.  Kids are happy, they are optimistic about life.  I miss those days sometime, but it just wasn't for me.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 11:20:12 AM
thanks man.  I used to have delusions of getting a record deal and getting rich.  Then I had plans to work for a big company, got a summer internship at a law firm and ended up managing a big dotnetnuke programming project.  hated it.  hated meetings, hated corporate life.

I'll never be a millionaire, and I'm okay with that.  And teaching elementary school was seriously fun, I gotta tell you.  Kids are happy, they are optimistic about life.  I miss those days sometime, but it just wasn't for me.

If you weren't such a liberal whore you'd be happy
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 11:22:30 AM
If you weren't such a liberal whore you'd be happy

You sound "emboldened" to me.

Are you an iraqi warlord, posting from the baghdad amusement park?

You support Obama, don't you?  He's muslim, you know...
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 11:26:23 AM
You sound "emboldened" to me.

Are you an iraqi warlord, posting from the baghdad amusement park?

You support Obama, don't you?  He's muslim, you know...

I support Obama becuase he supports surrender.   

So what ever you draw from that, you are probably right.   I have to clean my AK now.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 11:29:07 AM
I support Obama becuase he supports surrender.  

So what ever you draw from that, you are probably right.   I have to clean my AK now.

My tax dollars paid for that AK, dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: calmus on May 28, 2008, 11:40:45 AM
You guys need to stop flirting.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: OzmO on May 28, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
You guys need to stop flirting.

Sounds like you'd like to start a liberal orgy.  We can disguise it as the "American Haters" ball.   
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
Sounds like you'd like to start a liberal orgy.  We can disguise it as the "American Haters" ball.  

Nancy Pelosi will be wearing a red dress.  I can see it now.
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: Dos Equis on May 28, 2008, 02:11:35 PM
Yes.  Stifle your laughter.  You admitted you were a high school dropout here, and patted yourself on the back for overcoming such great odds in building a business up.  Later, when conversationally convenient, you became a college professor instantly.

I taught elementary, then middle, then adult computer education as I earned my computer certifications and an AS in Computer networking and became a school netadmin.  Then, a college hired me to do 1/3 of their university website, and paid for my MBA, and I went for it.

Stifle your laughter.  Mock my degree, and mock the fact I work from home.  Most dads would love to have the opportunity to work from home 4 hours a day and make a good living, and spend the other hours playing with their children.  As you get up and put on your tie for work each day, I have some OJ in my slippers and decide if I want to play in the pool, or just watch cartoons. 

Geeze Louise.  What a drama queen. 
Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: 240 is Back on May 28, 2008, 02:15:45 PM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=212629.0;attach=254325;image)

Geeze Louise.  What a drama queen. 

Title: Re: Elementary school student voted out of class
Post by: War-Horse on May 29, 2008, 07:46:34 PM
Yes, she should have had the class elect representatives, then allow them to be paid off by the rich kids in the class to "vote" on whether he stays or goes.


LOL.