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Bloated like a fish and still won. WTF???? I was at that show and he had a 7th place physique at best. Yates and Porter Cottrell got the 2 biggest gifts that year
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Joe weider fixed the contest
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Dorian was the clear winner.
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Poor quads and no left bicep.
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who would you guys have winning?
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Still I see Dorian is the best.
Everybody say shawn was better.
But, Above all,BBing is about MUSCLE.
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who would you guys have winning?
kevin or shawn. it was close between them.
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I have the 94 Olympia on VHS and Doz was the clear winner
97, on the other hand . . . :-\
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Shawn looked like a fucking kid next to Yates.
This guy owned Shawn
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22492-3/1994-mr-olympia-82.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=9aea52bb54c2d7e63f0d9ba4cf47796d)
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Dorian was the clear winner.
Yeah..You wish f@g..Ray looks best there ...If Ray was white ,you'd swallow him whole ...
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"chubby" ? Lmao!
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22456-3/1994-mr-olympia-66.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=9aea52bb54c2d7e63f0d9ba4cf47796d)
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Dorian was deserving until and including the 1995 Mr. Olympia. I wasn't impressed with his 2 last wins.
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kevin or shawn. it was close between them.
Sean a 5'2 inch midget, he cannot compare to a ripped, hard as nails Yates. ::)
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You're out of your mind if you think Shawn is better.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22243-3/1994-mr-olympia-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=9aea52bb54c2d7e63f0d9ba4cf47796d)
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i tend to agree that though shawn looked awesome, he was just too small to beat yates
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You're out of your mind if you think Shawn is better.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22243-3/1994-mr-olympia-23.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=9aea52bb54c2d7e63f0d9ba4cf47796d)
Yates was bigger.....Not better.... Sean absolutely looks 1 million times better .
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Dorian was clearly the best on that day.
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shawn was more aesthetically pleasing, but in the modern olympia, bigger is being rewarded Yates beats a much smaller Ray
anybody know how close the judging was?
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i see a levrOWNING
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Shawn R., Kevin L., and Lee L. should have won at least one Mr. O each. IMHO.
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Bloated like a fish and still won. WTF???? I was at that show and he had a 7th place physique at best. Yates and Porter Cottrell got the 2 biggest gifts that year
Sean's quads are bigger (and more cut) than Yates' although he's 3 " shorter. :D
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Yeah..You wish f@g..Ray looks best there ...If Ray was white ,you'd swallow him whole ...
Pithy
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Dorian was clearly the best on that day.
LMFAO!!! I was at that show and Yates was sooo off. His color was blotchy too. Hell, Aaron Baker was harder than Dorian. Shawn and Kevin should have been fighting for 1st or 2nd
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Shawn R., Kevin L., and Lee L. should have won at least one Mr. O each. IMHO.
That's not Lee Priest.
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Please stop posting photos of 94 Yates!!!
he won, fine...good for him! But stop reminding us of how horrible he looked ::)
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Shawn 94 and Shawn 97 are very very close
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Sean Rey looks great in that first picture
if Silvio can beat people 170 lbs heavier, why couldn't Sean?
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how many times are you gonna discuss this shit.
yates wasnt even close to winning 94. yates looked his best 91-93.
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how many times are you gonna discuss this shit.
yates wasnt even close to winning 94. yates looked his best 91-93.
::)
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translation: "i didnt even know yates competed before 94" :)
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Bloated like a fish and still won. WTF???? I was at that show and he had a 7th place physique at best. Yates and Porter Cottrell got the 2 biggest gifts that year
SHAWN RAY WINS
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on that day i liked Shawn's physique better
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haha what a mess yates is
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chub chub beyond the sea
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Sean a 5'2 inch midget, he cannot compare to a ripped, hard as nails Yates. ::)
I was at the show and Shawn was the clear winner you fucking cock sucker
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I was at the show and Shawn was the clear winner you fucking cock sucker
You were on stage, that's entirely different ;D
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I was at the show and Shawn was the clear winner you fucking cock sucker
Sean, you have no fucking back, nothing. Dorian's back is so fucking wide he has fucking wings.
No comparison junior. ::)
Even Mios could blow you off the stage that year. ;D
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Sean a 5'2 inch midget, he cannot compare to a ripped, hard as nails Yates. ::)
SHAWN, NOT SEAN was 5'6"-5'7", NOT 5'2". Look at the first pic. Do you see an 8-9" height difference fool?
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SHAWN, NOT SEAN was 5'6"-5'7", NOT 5'2". Look at the first pic. Do you see an 8-9" height difference fool?
on getbig its sean you fucking cock sucker.
mostly sean, sometimes shan, never shawn
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on getbig its sean you fucking cock sucker.
mostly sean, sometimes shan, never shawn
show Shawn some respect kid
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show Shawn some respect kid
sean (and several others) should have beaten yates in 94.
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I'm glad Dorian is being exposed as a shitty bodybuilder who was gifted like 4 Mr. Olympias
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clairmonte was better than yates after 93
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dorian should not have been first.
at worst, could have been third that year.
shawn was the best that night by far. even if he was not as wide as dorian was.
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dorian and shawn is basically apples and oranges
how anybody can think shawn deserved it over Mr. Levrone i don't know, he was basically a larger version of shawn
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dorian and shawn is basically apples and oranges
how anybody can think shawn deserved it over Mr. Levrone i don't know, he was basically a larger version of shawn
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Kevin's conditioning is not as good. I think that and his legs are what held him back, even though he still placed high.
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Shawn wins it easy that year. Dictator weider would have none of that tho....or was it Demilia???
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what a lot of people forget when discussing the 94 Mr. olympia contest is that the MS. olympia that year was even WORSE in terms of judging.
Lenda Murray showed up literally soft and emaciated..yet won over a virtually perfect Laura Crevalle.
both champions were winning in 94, no matter what they looked like.. :-\
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Sgt D you have no upper chest , where has it gone ???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217464.0;attach=255282;image)
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translation: "i didnt even know yates competed before 94" :)
the fact you think he was better in 1991 than 1995 means your delusional
1994 was close and just because Dorian's tan application was bad doesn't mean he wasn't in condition
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Someone put comparisons up please
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yates is a disgusting and repugnant shitstain. i am glad that 90% of this board can see just how this convicted burglar STOLE olympias off more deserving athletes.
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yates is a disgusting and repugnant shitstain. i am glad that 90% of this board can see just how this convicted burglar STOLE olympias off more deserving athletes.
and I'm glad that 100% of the board can see how a convicted wifebeater and pus infected bloatbuilder who failed at the big show and now lives in shame is worshipped by a gay ragboy who calls himself "Sharma".
:D
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the fact you think he was better in 1991 than 1995 means your delusional
1994 was close and just because Dorian's tan application was bad doesn't mean he wasn't in condition
lol. he had a severly torn biceps, looked pregnant, quads were small etc.
and yes i think yates best years were 91-93. (2nd 91, won 92,93)
sean ray and several others were better in 94 (wasnt even close). in 95 he came in alot better than in 94, thats true. 96-97 he shouldnt of won. in 97 nasser was robbed of the olympia title.
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SHAWN, NOT SEAN was 5'6"-5'7", NOT 5'2". Look at the first pic. Do you see an 8-9" height difference fool?
Hi Sean, why are you not posting udner your Sgt. D handle anymore>>>>>>
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Hi Sean, why are you not posting udner your Sgt. D handle anymore>>>>>>
go back to sucking Milos penis
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go back to sucking Milos penis
There we go............... ;D
BTW Sean, now that California allows gay marriage.....when are you and Sasha going to tie the knot???
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yates is a disgusting and repugnant shitstain. i am glad that 90% of this board can see just how this convicted burglar STOLE olympias off more deserving athletes.
hahaha there's no doubt that others who were more deserving were robbed various years. Sadly, even now Yates doesn't have any humility, actually believes he was better.
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Who cares that shit was almost 15 years ago ...
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Who cares that shit was almost 15 years ago ...
DAMN!!!! I'm getting old!!!
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Who cares that shit was almost 15 years ago ...
No shit!
DAMN!!!! I'm getting old!!!
I hear ya!
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The Mr.Olympia is about muscular development, and no one beat Dorian at that in that year. As long as the most muscular guy has no severe muscle imbalances and is hard, he wins. Period. If you want to make the Olympia about aesthetic physiques, then any Abercrombie&fitch model or Chippendale dancer would be Mr.Olympia since they are more aesthetic than any pro bodybuilder. Ask people who's physique is more aesthetic, that of Shawn Ray or Brad Pitt's in "Troy", and 99% of people will say the latter. Case closed.
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The Mr.Olympia is about muscular development, and no one beat Dorian at that in that year. As long as the most muscular guy has no severe muscle imbalances and is hard, he wins. Period. If you want to make the Olympia about aesthetic physiques, then any Abercrombie&fitch model or Chippendale dancer would be Mr.Olympia since they are more aesthetic than any pro bodybuilder. Ask people who's physique is more aesthetic, that of Shawn Ray or Brad Pitt's in "Troy", and 99% of people will say the latter. Case closed.
jesus h christ arent you stupid. how do you explain frank zane winning ass-whipe
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jesus h christ arent you stupid. how do you explain frank zane winning ass-whipe
as with pro bbing evolution of size increase was also a evolution of conditioning and frank zane ushered it in,then guys were able to get both combo's together hence the last 3 decades of better everything.
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Dorian was the best bodybuilder from 1991 to 1997.
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as with pro bbing evolution of size increase was also a evolution of conditioning and frank zane ushered it in,then guys were able to get both combo's together hence the last 3 decades of better everything.
They did NOT get better symmetry or shape.
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jesus h christ arent you stupid. how do you explain frank zane winning ass-whipe
Moron, Zane was not that much smaller than the other guys while having less flaws, and this is why he won. He didn't win because he was more aesthetic, but because all the competitors that outmassed him had too many imbalances to win. If you read my post - obviously not the case -, then you'd know I said that the biggest guy wins as long as he doesen't have severe imbalances or came in bad shape. All Zane's competitors either came in soft or had severe imbalances and hence zane won. And moron, show exactly how you have proven me wrong? All Mr.Olympias have been the least flawed among the big bodybuilders - eg. Oliva, Arnold, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. All these guys competed above 240 lbs except for Arnold who competed at a heavest bodyweight of 237 lbs. So I am 100% correct: Mr.Olympia is the biggest guy with the least muscular imbalances.
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They did NOT get better symmetry or shape.
I agree,my quote should have included better everything but total overall look today not the same.
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Dorian was the best bodybuilder from 1991 to 1997.
in 91 he lost to haney (haney deserved it). in 92-93 yates won. after that he looked like shit.
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The Mr.Olympia is about muscular development
If muscular development is your criteria, you lose badly (again). Yates was completely dominated in that department, other than from the back.
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Dorian was the best bodybuilder from 1991 to 1997.
Utterly disproven many times over by compelling evidence to the contrary. Only the groupies actually buy this crap.
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Utterly disproven many times over by compelling evidence to the contrary. Only the groupies actually buy this crap.
yeah, but take a look at the threads...these groupies are only a handful who argue with the other 98% of humanity
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If muscular development is your criteria, you lose badly (again). Yates was completely dominated in that department, other than from the back.
Another illiterate moron who can't read. I said that Mr.Olympia is the biggest bodybuilder with the least flaws. Dillet had a narrow back, a thin chest and was flat from the sides. Levrone was awesome and could have been Mr.Olympia, but his conditioning was often poor. Nasser had an amateurish back and usually came in soft, especially compared to Dorian.
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If muscular development is your criteria, you lose badly (again). Yates was completely dominated in that department, other than from the back.
Now see, this would actually be a good post if you backed it up with something, not a picture of Yates appearing 4 feet tall ::) You fear good pictures of Yates and for good reason - it would void your worthless diarrhea.
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/26585-3/1992-mr-olympia-31.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/24160-3/1995-mr-olympia-155.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/24144-4/1995-mr-olympia-151.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/24228-3/1995-mr-olympia-139.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4120-11/1993-mr-olympia-101-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/22137-4/1994-mr-olympia-112.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=2b243c4a90c6b4ae0d57c3d2aa1aa6d5)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217548.0;attach=255508;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217548.0;attach=255509;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217548.0;attach=255509;image)
the iron agers might be onto something
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Moron, Zane was not that much smaller than the other guys while having less flaws, and this is why he won. He didn't win because he was more aesthetic, but because all the competitors that outmassed him had too many imbalances to win. If you read my post - obviously not the case -, then you'd know I said that the biggest guy wins as long as he doesen't have severe imbalances or came in bad shape. All Zane's competitors either came in soft or had severe imbalances and hence zane won. And moron, show exactly how you have proven me wrong? All Mr.Olympias have been the least flawed among the big bodybuilders - eg. Oliva, Arnold, Haney, Dorian, Ronnie, etc. All these guys competed above 240 lbs except for Arnold who competed at a heavest bodyweight of 237 lbs. So I am 100% correct: Mr.Olympia is the biggest guy with the least muscular imbalances.
fucktard dorian looked like shit.. his thick ass waist was severely imbalanced
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217548.0;attach=255509;image)
the iron agers might be onto something
Ronnie is in his 8th month here.......... ::)
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fucktard dorian looked like shit.. his thick ass waist was severely imbalanced
Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him. ;)
And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.
Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:
- Shawn was too small.
- Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.
- Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.
- Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.
Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.
Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you. ;)
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Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him. ;)
And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.
Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:
- Shawn was too small.
- Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.
- Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.
- Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.
Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.
Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you. ;)
levrone 1st olympia he smaller than yates but skinned,and had superior shape to yates who's muscle shape was more jagged than rounded and full as say kev's.ray also superior shape to yates,if you are judging as most olympias as the most dense and muscle development one human can carry then yes yates,cutler,coleman,haney set examples for there olympia runs,but each winner had there fair share of either being out conditioned or being beaten by a more complete looking bber,but size seems to rule the roost when it comes to mr olympia.
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Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him. ;)
And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.
Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:
- Shawn was too small.
- Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.
- Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.
- Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.
Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.
Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you. ;)
Correct! Good Post.
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Wow, what a deep analysis. So Shawn Ray should have beaten Dorian because he had a smaller waist, huh? Then millions of people should have been Mr.Olympia instead of Shawn, since they have even smaller waists than him. ;)
And moron, I never said that Dorian didn't have any imbalances; I said he had the least imbalances among the big bodybuilders. Learn how to interpret a text, Human trash.
Dorian was Mr.Olympia because he was the bodybuilder with the best overral package. Let's see:
- Shawn was too small.
- Levrone had poor conditioning and was still inferior to Dorian in muscle thickness.
- Dillet had a narrow back, thin pecks, looked thin from the sides and often came in soft.
- Nasser had a poor back overral, was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.
Dorian had a thick waist and comparatively small biceps for his frame, but his overral package(qualities minus defects) was better than anyone else's and this is why he was Mr.Olympia.
Shawn wouldn't beat Dorian only because his waist is smaller since Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than Shawn. Nasser wouldn't beat Dorian by missing an entire backside. Dillet couldn't beat Dorian with his narrow back, lack of thickness and bad conditioning. Wheeler was also too small and often came in too soft to defeat Dorian. Levrone was the one who came the closest, but his conditioning was poor compared to Dorian's and his still lacked muscle thickness compared to Dorian. Consider your ass handed to you. ;)
paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...
do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..
"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious
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paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...
do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..
"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious
Meltdown :D
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Nasser was thinner than Dorian from the sides and looked soft next to Dorian.
False.
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False.
Nassr had NO back at all!
No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.
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Nassr had NO back at all!
No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.
His back lacked some detail only when compared to the top tier. His back size was comparable to the top tier. I dont think that translates to having "no" back.
Anyway my post was about the false assumption that Cigaretteman and others have that Nasser is "not as thick" or "looks narrow" from the side compared to Yates. That's utter BS.
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Nassr had NO back at all!
No one should be able to win the O with such a MAJOR body part being missing in action.
bullshit. it was plenty big when he was at his best. it wasnt as good as dorians. and it always lacked detail. but at its biggest it was almost as big as dorians back.
and he crushed yates on everything else. (97)
in other words nasser (clearly) won mr o 1997.
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its hard to make judgments based on that picture u posted, its not a good view
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Yeah, thats one Sandow Levronie could of had...
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paragraph meltdown man.
..i dont give in-depth analysis because it dosent mean that much to me...but what i do know is that shawn is a better body builder that year...as far as pure bodybuilding..shawn wins..yates looked bad. And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...
do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..
"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious
You can't counterpoint what I wrote, so you type "meltdown" and think that somehow makes you win the argument. ;) And Shawn wasn't the better bodybuilder. Muscle size is the most important thing because that's where the word bodybuilding comes from. Shawn did have a smaller waist than Dorian, but Dorian was way too big for him and still had great proportions and symmetry. Do not confuse aesthetics with symmetry, because they are not the same. Dorian's physique was not aesthetic, but was very proportional. And Shawn didn't have a better taper than Dorian in all poses. For instance, despite his thcker waist, Dorian's taper in the front and back lat spread were better than Shawn's due to his much bigger lats. You show a poor comprehension of bodybuilding and low intelligence, and now I bet you seriously regret having started this discussion by insulting me.
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False.
Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Mr.Olympia:
"Many people were surprised when Dorian was announced first. They thought Nasser had won. However, there is an explanation for this. During most of the show, the competitors faced the crowd during most of the symmetry round, the posing round and the posedown. Only in the muscularity round were the competitors visible from other angles, and that constituted only two thirds of one of four rounds. Nasser was better from the front in most poses, but from the back and from the sides, Dorian's superior development, density and thickness were evident." ;)
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Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Mr.Olympia:
"Many people were surprised when Dorian was announced first. They thought Nasser had won. However, there is an explanation for this. During most of the show, the competitors faced the crowd during most of the symmetry round, the posing round and the posedown. Only in the muscularity round were the competitors visible from other angles, and that constituted only two thirds of one of four rounds. Nasser was better from the front in most poses, but from the back and from the sides, Dorian's superior development, density and thickness were evident." ;)
Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true! ::) Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges. Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:
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Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true! ::) Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges. Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:
Sure, the usual politics bullshit excuse. Too bad that McGough was there and saw it live. He actually saw up close Dorian and Nasser from several angles and in several different poses, and that far surpasses as evidence your punny little picture - that I'm sure you didn't chose very carefully, since we all know how unbiased you are. ;)
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Sure, the usual politics bullshit excuse. Too bad that McGough was there and saw it live. He actually saw up close Dorian and Nasser from several angles and in several different poses, and that far surpasses as evidence your punny little picture - that I'm sure you didn't chose very carefully, since we all know how unbiased you are. ;)
Pictures prove that politics are involved in judging. Do you really think Jay Cutler deserved to win the last Mr. Olympia, for example? Im sure you can find judges or IFBB execs who were "there" and will still insist that he looked better "in person" than Martinez, Wolf, etc. and that no one can make any judgements based on pictures ::)
And yes, I did choose that picture carefully because they are at a close angle and there is minimal scaling differences. If I wanted to be biased I would have simply posted this one where Yates is at a poor angle:
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And he won that year, but so did jay cutler this year, but that dont make him the best bodybuilder on the stage...you know this sport is subject to judges who need their glasses cleaned...
do me a favor and relax. go watch some video tapes of yates in 94 and whack off, i dont know...do what ever you have to do to relax..
"consider my ass handed to me"....dude seriously...take it easy...it aint that serious
Pithy
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bullshit. it was plenty big when he was at his best. it wasnt as good as dorians. and it always lacked detail. but at its biggest it was almost as big as dorians back.
and he crushed yates on everything else. (97)
in other words nasser (clearly) won mr o 1997.
Accurate on all counts. The groupies who always fall back on Yates' back always leave out the other areas especially from the front where Dillet, Nasser and others trounced him.
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Pictures prove that politics are involved in judging. Do you really think Jay Cutler deserved to win the last Mr. Olympia, for example? Im sure you can find judges or IFBB execs who were "there" and will still insist that he looked better "in person" than Martinez, Wolf, etc. and that no one can make any judgements based on pictures ::)
And yes, I did choose that picture carefully because they are at a close angle and there is minimal scaling differences. If I wanted to be biased I would have simply posted this one where Yates is at a poor angle:
Pictures don't prove anything if you don't know what you're looking for, and they are a poor way to asses a physique compared to actually being at the contest.
For instance, most people think that Shawn won the 1994 Olympia by looking at pics of the contest, and the reason for this is that thry are basing it on their personal preference and not what the I.F.B.B looks for. There is a criteria, and that calls for muscular development, which Shawn severely lacked comapred to Dorian. ;) Likewise, in the case of Nasser, the criteria calls for balanced development, which he didn't have due to his massive disparity from front and back. Sure, Dorian had small biceps for his size, but the biceps is a very small muscle compared to the back, and so having a subpar back is a far more serious imbalance in the judges' eyes than having poor biceps. ;) And I called you out for your choice of picture because you are notorious for handpicking the best Nasser pics and comapring them to Dorian's worst. I have pictures from the 1997 Olympia of Dorian and Nasser doing the side chest mandatory and, not only are Dorian's pecs thicker, but his hardness is also superior.
As for Jay Cutler, yes, I do believe he deserved to win last year. Bodybuilding is primarilly about muscle size and then all other considerations come into play, and Jay was far more muscular than Victor and had no severe muscle imbalance, so he won. Fair and square. You wanted my assessment of the 2007 Olympia and there you have it - and by the way, I was at the 2007 Olympia and few people booed when Jay was announced in first place.
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Of course, if Peter McGrough said so then it must be true! ::) Being buddies with the Weiders and an exec of Flex Magazine his opinion was not far from that of the biased judges. Besides, you can post as many quotes as you want of various people, they don't counter actual pictures:
amen to that.
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I said that the biggest guy wins as long as he doesen't have severe imbalances or came in bad shape.
yup.
and this left arm is one hell of a severe imbalance: :-[
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yup.
and this left arm is one hell of a severe imbalance: :-[
Not as bad as being too soft(Levrone), lacking a back and thickness from the sides(Nasser), or being too lanky and having a narrow back(Dillet). It's all relative. ;)
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Not as bad as being too soft(Levrone), lacking a back and thickness from the sides(Nasser), or being too lanky and having a narrow back(Dillet). It's all relative. ;)
but its bad next to this: 8)
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but its bad next to this: 8)
I thougt we were talking of balance issues...in the case of Ray: too small. ;)
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I thougt we were talking of balance issues...in the case of Ray: too small. ;)
too small is still better than too crappy: :-X
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too small is still better than too crappy: :-X
You see, this is what you just don't get. Size is very important in bodybuilding. After all, it's called bodybuilding. The Mr.Olympia is about size first. You can't be Mr.Olympia at 205 lbs if there are guys with 50 lbs of muscle more than you, unless all of them have severe muscle imbalances. Now, Yates is not aestehtics, but he is very symmetrical. There isn't a single imbalance in his body besides that his biceps is a little small for his size. But this small imbalance is not enough to make him lose to Shawn when you conside that Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than him. ;)
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You see, this is what you just don't get. Size is very important in bodybuilding. After all, it's called bodybuilding. The Mr.Olympia is about size first. You can't be Mr.Olympia at 205 lbs if there are guys with 50 lbs of muscle more than you, unless all of them have severe muscle imbalances. Now, Yates is not aestehtics, but he is very symmetrical. There isn't a single imbalance in his body besides that his biceps is a little small for his size. But this small imbalance is not enough to make him lose to Shawn when you conside that Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than him. ;)
I guess you missed his biceps tear in 1994... ::)
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and by the way, bodybuilding at the Mr. Olympia level is NOT only concerned with size:
quality counts too:
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I guess you missed his biceps tear in 1994...
Biceps tear or not, it's still not enough to compensate for Dorian's 55 lbs of muscle advantage. It's not like he tore his lat ;) or any big muscle, but the biceps which is a small muscle, and his biceps were never big anyway, so it;s not like it made much of a difference. ;)
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and by the way, bodybuilding at the Mr. Olympia level is NOT only concerned with size:
quality counts too:
I never said quality doesen't count. I said size and balance are equally important, but between a two guys, one with great balance and little size and one with great size and good balance, the latter wins. ;)
Mr.Olympia is the guy with the biggest muscles who has the least imbalances. And define quality? Dorian was not aesthetic but he had incredible quality. His definition and hardness were superb at his best.
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I never said quality doesen't count. I said size and balance are equally important, but between a two guys, one with great balance and little size and one with great size and good balance, the latter wins. ;)
Mr.Olympia is the guy with the biggest muscles who has the least imbalances. And define quality? Dorian was not aesthetic but he had incredible quality. His definition and hardness were superb at his best.
but 1994 was not his best.
look at him compared to shawn: Musclemag said it best in their review of the 94 contest:
"the mr. olympia should be as perfect as possible. and given such ground rules, it would be mighty hard to deny Shawn Ray"
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damn, Shawn is getting owned here and Kevin hasn't even completed the pose yet. LOL.
Sorry, but Shawn is just too small to be impressive. It's so evident on the 1995 google prejudging video where Ray was called out first and was replaced by a much more impressive Nasser. You just didn't even notice Shawn standing next to Dorian.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217464.0;attach=255825;image)
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damn, Shawn is getting owned here and Kevin hasn't even completed the pose yet. LOL.
Sorry, but Shawn is just too small to be impressive. It's so evident on the 1995 google prejudging video where Ray was called out first and was replaced by a much more impressive Nasser. You just didn't even notice Shawn standing next to Dorian.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217464.0;attach=255825;image)
You are a very smart person, and observant.
Sean, at 5'2, is no match for The Shadow.
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yup.
and this left arm is one hell of a severe imbalance: :-[
With exception to the half bicep, he is looking fucking STELLAR in that pic. SICK conditioning and muscle mass.
Anyways, Gutler's right bicep is just as bad as Dorian's and NO ONE is bitching about it.
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You see, this is what you just don't get. Size is very important in bodybuilding. After all, it's called bodybuilding. The Mr.Olympia is about size first. You can't be Mr.Olympia at 205 lbs if there are guys with 50 lbs of muscle more than you, unless all of them have severe muscle imbalances. Now, Yates is not aestehtics, but he is very symmetrical. There isn't a single imbalance in his body besides that his biceps is a little small for his size. But this small imbalance is not enough to make him lose to Shawn when you conside that Dorian carried 55 lbs of muscle more than him. ;)
You see, this is VERY flawed. Dexter Jackson beat Markus Rhul half a dozen times at Iron Men and various other shows in and around 2000 and they both were pretty much flawless back then, YET, the victory (with exception to ONCE), went to the little man, who was AS small as Shawn Ray was and guess what? Rhul outweighed him by 75 pounds and had at least 4" on him.
Anyways, Dorian with exception to his bicep in 1994 was still light years ahead of all others. Same goes for 1995. 1996/1997 were more complicated to judge.
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You see, this is VERY flawed. Dexter Jackson beat Markus Rhul half a dozen times at Iron Men and various other shows in and around 2000
I said that Mr.Olympia is the guy with the biggest muscles with the least flaws. ;) I never said a thing about the Ironman or other lesser shows. Judges at the Arnold, Ironman and other lesser shows favor balance and lines, but the Mr.Olympia judges are notorious for favoring muscular development, and so Mr.Olympia has always been the mass monster with the least flaws. Lee Haney(250 lbs), Dorian(265 lbs) and Ronnie(250+ lbs) were all mass monsters. Even in the 1960s and 1970s, the Olympia judges already favored size, evident by the fact that the two biggest guys from the era, arnold(237 lbs) and Sergio(240 lbs) were both Mr.Olympia. Sure, there are exceptions like Frank Zane, but in general the Mr.Olympia will the big guy with the least flaws.
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but 1994 was not his best.
look at him compared to shawn: Musclemag said it best in their review of the 94 contest:
"the mr. olympia should be as perfect as possible. and given such ground rules, it would be mighty hard to deny Shawn Ray"
Dorian was not at his best, but his conditioning was still as good as Ray's, with the added bonus of 55 lbs of mass. Considering the enormous size advantage, Dorian would need to have come with a torn lat(major imbalance) or completely off conditoning for Shawn to beat him. ;)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217464.0;attach=255829;image)
Dorian looking healthy.