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why didnt yout tell my diabetic aunt that eating all that protein would cause her high blood sugar and ultimately lead to her untimely death this day. she died after eating 600g protein and went hyerglycemic. >:( >:( you should have told her !! >:( bastard
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signature of a meltdown: you exit the thread containing the debate and start another one in order to shoot one last "zinger" at the guy that just made you look like a fool.
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post a picture candidate. You must still be pretty lean, since you only upped your protein intake which cannot case fat gain.
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That wont cause hyperglycemia in a diabetic dick nose ::)
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That wont cause hyperglycemia in a diabetic dick nose ::)
nuh huh everybodys been tellling me high protien = high blood sugar= high insulin levels = fat storage
and my aunt died from too much protein today !
must be true
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nuh huh everybodys been tellling me high protien = high blood sugar= high insulin levels = fat storage
and my aunt died from too much protein today !
must be true
Well they are full of shit ,Il retract the dicknose comment ;D
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;D
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Well they are full of shit ,Il retract the dicknose comment ;D
trenbolone king justin harris even tried to join in ... ;D
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why didnt yout tell my diabetic aunt that eating all that protein would cause her high blood sugar and ultimately lead to her untimely death this day. she died after eating 600g protein and went hyerglycemic. >:( >:( you should have told her !! >:( bastard
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Her high protein diet didn't lead to death from hyperglycemia.
The glucose that was converted from excess protein was converted to fatty acids after the subsequent rise in the enzyme acetyl-Coenzyme A Carboxylase formed malonyl-Coenzyme A that is necessary for fatty acid synthesis.
We already went over this.
You do understand the blood sugar rise from gluconeogenesis is more likely to cause a hypoglycemic episode than a hyperglycemic episode, right?
The blood sugar will won't rise to any appreciable level. If glucose is synthesized from protein, it is because there is a need for that energy source. The sugar is either quickly utilized for glycolysis or is converted to fatty acids through the process listed above (shown for a second time here).
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If glucose is synthesized from protein, it is because there is a need for that energy source.
justin this is what i am telling you mister trenbolone
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justin this is what i am telling you mister trenbolone
Until there is more glucose available than is utilized over a particular via glycolysis, at which point the excess glucose is converted to fat and stored as fat for later use as an energy source.
There really is no ambiguity on this. There's nothing magical in physiology. A calorie is a measure of energy, specifically a measure of heat energy in relation to water.
Should more calories be ingested than are burned over any particular time period, the body will store the excess energy for later use.
There is a law in physics called the conservation of energy.
When you ingest a calorie, the energy of that calorie (the energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celsius) must be maintained. The energy can take other forms, but its absolute magnitude is constant.
That calorie is either utilized in some form of energy release (in the exact same energy amount as was ingested) or is stored in the body as an energy source that can be used later.
If you ingest 5,000 Calories from protein and the net caloric expenditure over that same time period is 4,000 Calories, 1,000 calories will be stored as defined by the law of conservation of energy. This 1,000 calories can be stored as protein, glycogen, or fat depending on the needs of the body at that time.
Unless you re-write the laws of physics, this is an unarguable point.
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Until there is more glucose available than is utilized over a particular via glycolysis, at which point the excess glucose is converted to fat and stored as fat for later use as an energy source.
There really is no ambiguity on this. There's nothing magical in physiology. A calorie is a measure of energy, specifically a measure of heat energy in relation to water.
Should more calories be ingested than are burned over any particular time period, the body will store the excess energy for later use.
There is a law in physics called the conservation of energy.
When you ingest a calorie, the energy of that calorie (the energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celsius) must be maintained. The energy can take other forms, but its absolute magnitude is constant.
That calorie is either utilized in some form of energy release (in the exact same energy amount as was ingested) or is stored in the body as an energy source that can be used later.
If you ingest 5,000 Calories from protein and the net caloric expenditure over that same time period is 4,000 Calories, 1,000 calories will be stored as defined by the law of conservation of energy. This 1,000 calories can be stored as protein, glycogen, or fat depending on the needs of the body at that time.
Unless you re-write the laws of physics, this is an unarguable point.
calories in can mean calories out :)
protein weighed into bmr? how do you account for utilization protein "calories" ..? thats not really energy expenditure, the process require energy, but your not uing energy from that protein your using it to build with
basically justin this is what your saying, in regards to protein requirements, that if you gain 1 lb of muscle over a weeks time. well 1 lb of muscle = 453 grams protein and 453 divided by 7 = 64 grams protein daily
so to gorw a pound of muscle in a week all you need is roughly 60 grams protein per day ? thanks JH !
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calories in can mean calories out :)
protein weighed into bmr? how do you account for utilization protein "calories" ..? thats not really energy expenditure, the process require energy, but your not uing energy from that protein your using it to build with
basically justin this is what your saying, in regards to protein requirements, that if you gain 1 lb of muscle over a weeks time. well 1 lb of muscle = 453 grams protein and 453 divided by 7 = 64 grams protein daily
so to gorw a pound of muscle in a week all you need is roughly 60 grams protein per day ? thanks JH !
You're doing blow aren't you 8)
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You're doing blow aren't you 8)
if by "doing" you mean "getting high on" and by "blow" you mean "life" then YES !
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what happens when you drink whey protein and you get a huge surge in the concentration of amino acids in your blood?
huge increase in the rate of protein synthesis
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calories in can mean calories out :)
protein weighed into bmr? how do you account for utilization protein "calories" ..? thats not really energy expenditure, the process require energy, but your not uing energy from that protein your using it to build with
basically justin this is what your saying, in regards to protein requirements, that if you gain 1 lb of muscle over a weeks time. well 1 lb of muscle = 453 grams protein and 453 divided by 7 = 64 grams protein daily
so to gorw a pound of muscle in a week all you need is roughly 60 grams protein per day ? thanks JH !
Nice attempt, but your math is missing several variables, and you're waaay overmatched arguing with Trop.
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signature of a meltdown: you exit the thread containing the debate and start another one in order to shoot one last "zinger" at the guy that just made you look like a fool.
link please.
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Until there is more glucose available than is utilized over a particular via glycolysis, at which point the excess glucose is converted to fat and stored as fat for later use as an energy source.
There really is no ambiguity on this. There's nothing magical in physiology. A calorie is a measure of energy, specifically a measure of heat energy in relation to water.
Should more calories be ingested than are burned over any particular time period, the body will store the excess energy for later use.
There is a law in physics called the conservation of energy.
When you ingest a calorie, the energy of that calorie (the energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celsius) must be maintained. The energy can take other forms, but its absolute magnitude is constant.
That calorie is either utilized in some form of energy release (in the exact same energy amount as was ingested) or is stored in the body as an energy source that can be used later.
If you ingest 5,000 Calories from protein and the net caloric expenditure over that same time period is 4,000 Calories, 1,000 calories will be stored as defined by the law of conservation of energy. This 1,000 calories can be stored as protein, glycogen, or fat depending on the needs of the body at that time.
Unless you re-write the laws of physics, this is an unarguable point.
You're wasting your time Jason explaining the physics behind how a person's body handles protein, carbs and fats when more than enough is needed at any one time. CANDYASS is no more than a 15 year old with limited mental capacity and will only have you running in circles trying to unravel his confusion and mis-belief on how the body REALLY works....Let him take a biology course or better yet let him put his "knowledge" to work on himself...If his logic (ha ha) works, then we should expect that he will be a world class BB inside of a year by adding about 100 pounds of muscle to his 120 pound frame in that time just by consuming MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WHEY PROTEIN....
Pictures CANDYASS???? Post some photos of your transformation using your "LOGIC" this way your words will have credibility.
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why didnt yout tell my diabetic aunt that eating all that protein would cause her high blood sugar and ultimately lead to her untimely death this day. she died after eating 600g protein and went hyerglycemic. >:( >:( you should have told her !! >:( bastard
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You really are a dumbshit
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i like how he calls troponin "mister tren" when he himself is an admitted juicer.
granted, troponin knows which steroids to use and how.
candizzle's just popping whatever he bought off a website and is not having any gains.
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calories in can mean calories out :)
protein weighed into bmr? how do you account for utilization protein "calories" ..? thats not really energy expenditure, the process require energy, but your not uing energy from that protein your using it to build with
basically justin this is what your saying, in regards to protein requirements, that if you gain 1 lb of muscle over a weeks time. well 1 lb of muscle = 453 grams protein and 453 divided by 7 = 64 grams protein daily
so to gorw a pound of muscle in a week all you need is roughly 60 grams protein per day ? thanks JH !
You really need to take an introduction to biochem class. Everything Troponin is talking about has been studied, documented and proven. You might learn a thing or two instead of making yourself look like an idiot on here.
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You might learn a thing or two instead of making yourself look like an idiot on here.
Yeah but then what fun would that be for us?
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Until there is more glucose available than is utilized over a particular via glycolysis, at which point the excess glucose is converted to fat and stored as fat for later use as an energy source.
There really is no ambiguity on this. There's nothing magical in physiology. A calorie is a measure of energy, specifically a measure of heat energy in relation to water.
Should more calories be ingested than are burned over any particular time period, the body will store the excess energy for later use.
There is a law in physics called the conservation of energy.
When you ingest a calorie, the energy of that calorie (the energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celsius) must be maintained. The energy can take other forms, but its absolute magnitude is constant.
That calorie is either utilized in some form of energy release (in the exact same energy amount as was ingested) or is stored in the body as an energy source that can be used later.
If you ingest 5,000 Calories from protein and the net caloric expenditure over that same time period is 4,000 Calories, 1,000 calories will be stored as defined by the law of conservation of energy. This 1,000 calories can be stored as protein, glycogen, or fat depending on the needs of the body at that time.
Unless you re-write the laws of physics, this is an unarguable point.
Justin, just wanted to say......
thanks for not using the word "moot" ;)
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justin is a great athlete and father.
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Until there is more glucose available than is utilized over a particular via glycolysis, at which point the excess glucose is converted to fat and stored as fat for later use as an energy source.
There really is no ambiguity on this. There's nothing magical in physiology. A calorie is a measure of energy, specifically a measure of heat energy in relation to water.
Should more calories be ingested than are burned over any particular time period, the body will store the excess energy for later use.
There is a law in physics called the conservation of energy.
When you ingest a calorie, the energy of that calorie (the energy required to raise 1g of water 1 degree celsius) must be maintained. The energy can take other forms, but its absolute magnitude is constant.
That calorie is either utilized in some form of energy release (in the exact same energy amount as was ingested) or is stored in the body as an energy source that can be used later.
If you ingest 5,000 Calories from protein and the net caloric expenditure over that same time period is 4,000 Calories, 1,000 calories will be stored as defined by the law of conservation of energy. This 1,000 calories can be stored as protein, glycogen, or fat depending on the needs of the body at that time.
Unless you re-write the laws of physics, this is an unarguable point.
Although none of us care to challenge the laws of physics, I think many of us would choose to question your point.
Of course the law of conservation of energy applies in all ordinary processes, such as the case of food metabolism. Energy stored in food is neither created nor destroyed, but MAY change form. To say it another way, the food-energy does not magically disappear into oblivion, nor will energy magically appear from nowhere. To put it in even simpler terms--the FOOD and its associated energy HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE (which is obvious to us all).
Is every food calorie ingested which is not "burned for fuel" definitely stored as either protein, glycogen, or fat? Has this been proven? What if you ingest so much food that your body doesn't need it all for fuel, and also doesn't need to add to its protein, glycogen, or fat storage? Can't some of the food simply not be used for anything (which does not violate conservation of energy--your food energy just didn't change form)?
I've trained very thin guys who have desperately tried to gain weight. They'll pack in as many super-high-density meals as possible to achieve ridiculously high caloric intakes, and still not gain weight--fat or muscle. Not everybody gets big and/or fat from eating a lot. Are they really expending that large a number of calories, burning them all up for fuel? Are that large a number of extra calories really being stored somewhere somehow as something? Maybe not? When force-fed large quantities of food, can some of the food simply pass through a bit undigested, unused (it sure LOOKS that way!)?
The laws of physics are exact, and in the study of metabolism would apply exactly. The law of conservation of energy applies exactly. But when and under what circumstances the starting food-energy converts to other forms doesn't seem to be 100 percent predictable. If we could handle food metabolism as an exact science, we could simply compare food intake to calorie expenditure and hope to make some fairly accurate predictions about what one should lose or gain--this is very hard to do.
Of course there's nothing magical in physiology. None of us here believe in magic. But sometimes things do seem ambiguous--not because they truly are ambiguous, but because it's proved so difficult to know the fine details of how one individual's body really handles the food that's put in it.
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I've trained very thin guys who have desperately tried to gain weight. They'll pack in as many super-high-density meals as possible to achieve ridiculously high caloric intakes, and still not gain weight--fat or muscle. Not everybody gets big and/or fat from eating a lot.
I would submit that self-reporting of calorie intakes is notoriously unreliable. I assume you didn't live with these guys and watch them eat every meal. From what I've seen in thin subjects is that they can eat a ridiculously high number of calories one day but then miss the whole next days - for an example. If they are consistent they will gain weight very predictably. It's like the obese people who claim not to eat much at all but hide Snickers bars under their pillow.
I do not believe BMRs differ that much.
JMHO. :)
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I would submit that self-reporting of calorie intakes is notoriously unreliable. I assume you didn't live with these guys and watch them eat every meal. From what I've seen in thin subjects is that they can eat a ridiculously high number of calories one day but then miss the whole next days - for an example. If they are consistent they will gain weight very predictably. It's like the obese people who claim not to eat much at all but hide Snickers bars under their pillow.
I do not believe BMRs differ that much.
JMHO. :)
It depends on what you mean by "that" much. I have worked off and in with a guy for the past 10 years and he is now approaching 40. He is the epitome of an ectomorph, not a BB just more of a recreational lifter. In fact I would classify him as something else besides an ectomorph. The most this guy can pack on is roughly 15 pounds and this is with massive amounts of food and a cycle or two. He NEVER gains any bodyfat. I know that amount of food he eats and at best this guy will go maybe 190 at most. It may be lighter than that, but it has been a while since I have talked to him but when I do I can get more detailed info. Thru out the years his metabolism has not slowed down even a little.
On the other hand I have a friend who at one time was eating 10,000 cals per day at one point. Before any of you guys call BS I know exactly what he was eating and he posted it on here about 5 years or so ago. Anyway, I always told him that he was eating too much and that he was just stressing his body and wasting food. He was doing this when he was in college so he may have been around 22 at the time. All he did was lift, study and sleep, well and he was on the toilet a lot. This kid was going to the toilet about 6 times per day. It seemed that he was shitting out almost all that he took in. I remember that he ate tons of rice and protein drinks along with a lot of chicken. Yes he did gain weight, but he never got fat. His body did not seem to be metabolizing all of the food that he was taking in.
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It depends on what you mean by "that" much. I have worked off and in with a guy for the past 10 years and he is now approaching 40. He is the epitome of an ectomorph, not a BB just more of a recreational lifter. In fact I would classify him as something else besides an ectomorph. The most this guy can pack on is roughly 15 pounds and this is with massive amounts of food and a cycle or two. He NEVER gains any bodyfat. I know that amount of food he eats and at best this guy will go maybe 190 at most. It may be lighter than that, but it has been a while since I have talked to him but when I do I can get more detailed info. Thru out the years his metabolism has not slowed down even a little.
On the other hand I have a friend who at one time was eating 10,000 cals per day at one point. Before any of you guys call BS I know exactly what he was eating and he posted it on here about 5 years or so ago. Anyway, I always told him that he was eating too much and that he was just stressing his body and wasting food. He was doing this when he was in college so he may have been around 22 at the time. All he did was lift, study and sleep, well and he was on the toilet a lot. This kid was going to the toilet about 6 times per day. It seemed that he was shitting out almost all that he took in. I remember that he ate tons of rice and protein drinks along with a lot of chicken. Yes he did gain weight, but he never got fat. His body did not seem to be metabolizing all of the food that he was taking in.
i've dealt with both types on many occassions...at that point I usually just start giving them "gh15-like" advice ;)
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It depends on what you mean by "that" much. I have worked off and in with a guy for the past 10 years and he is now approaching 40. He is the epitome of an ectomorph, not a BB just more of a recreational lifter. In fact I would classify him as something else besides an ectomorph. The most this guy can pack on is roughly 15 pounds and this is with massive amounts of food and a cycle or two. He NEVER gains any bodyfat. I know that amount of food he eats and at best this guy will go maybe 190 at most. It may be lighter than that, but it has been a while since I have talked to him but when I do I can get more detailed info. Thru out the years his metabolism has not slowed down even a little.
How many calories would you say he was eating at 190lbs?
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How many calories would you say he was eating at 190lbs?
Let me get back to you on this as I want to give you an accurate number. OK, I do remember that I had him sip a protein drink thru out the day that had roughly 2200 cals in it.