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Barack Obama is “deeply disappointed” by another hate preacher tonight—another hate preacher that he apparently just learned about for the first time today, despite attending Trinity United Church for 20 years.....
But there's this...Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.
And of course this....
Antoin "Tony" Rezko, 52, a prominent fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted of fraud, money laundering and bribery Wednesday after a trial that exposed a corrupt culture of payoffs and campaign finance abuses plaguing Illinois politics.
Obama issued a statement saying he was “saddened,” adding, “This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform
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His friends and people he's loved for decades he knows nothing about... Ahmadinejad and Chavez he has pegged.This guy doesn't even know his own friends well enough to see trivial little things like this coming, yet he thinks he understands our enemies and their doings well enough to sit them down and successfully ask them to stop being so mean to us?
Let's see. Obama has all these longstanding relationships with Bill Ayers, Bernadine Doern, Jeremiah Wright, Pfleger, Rezko, and all the rest (that's getting to be a big list), and yet he now says he has no idea about these guys' backgrounds?
Who is he trying to fool? Well, I guess he's managing to fool many a Democrat who is going to pull the lever for him in November.
The fact is that he's an empty suit with no experience whose ties to terrorists (and yes, that's exactly who Doern and Ayers are), felons (Rezko), and racists and anti-Semites (Wright and Pfleger) should be more than mere troubling - it should raise serious questions as to his character and fitness to lead the nation - which is to say he lacks the character or fitness to lead.
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I also read the other day that Trinity accepted government grants for some social program. In other words, Wright was saying "God damn America" at the same time he was benefitting from American charity. ::)
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I also read the other day that Trinity accepted government grants for some social program. In other words, Wright was saying "God damn America" at the same time he was benefitting from American charity. ::)
It was somewhere in the millions, how much again?
Amazing...cause if you have EVER looked at applying for grants for research or anything else you know just how hard it is, and the board looks at everything, so he must have had some help from someone in Chicago getting these grants, in that high of an amount.
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It was somewhere in the millions, how much again?
Amazing...cause if you have EVER looked at applying for grants for research or anything else you know just how hard it is, and the board looks at everything, so he must have had some help from someone in Chicago getting these grants, in that high of an amount.
Obama’s Ex-Church Has Won $15M in Federal Grant Money
by FOXNews.com
Monday, June 2, 2008
By Jeff Goldblatt
Across America seven days a week, parents drop their kids at day care centers, which are supported by funding from the federal government.
But what makes one facility noteworthy in inner city Chicago is that it’s run by Trinity United Church of Christ. It’s the same church whose former head pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, drew widespread scrutiny after he cursed the U.S. government for its treatment of African-Americans.
FOX News has learned that over the last 15 years, Trinity has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government — in other words, taxpayer money.
Records show this money supported a variety of outreach: everything from low income housing to nutritional programs for needy kids to money for HIV/AIDS education. Wright blames the government for intentionally infecting the African-American community with that deadly virus.
DePaul University journalism professor Laura Washington, who specializes in race and politics, said Wright is a hypocrite for taking money from the government.
“On the one hand, he says, ‘God damn America’ and he says America is responsible for all the ills in the black community. On the other hand, he’s taking money from the same community he’s crucifying,” Washington said.
But another scholar who specializes in religion and politics says Wright never swore off government funding like ultra-nationalist Black Muslims have.
Andrew Walsh, associate director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., said Wright’s practices fall in line with his preaching.
“Wright believes things like the government-funded programs are a necessary compensation for the legacy of white racism, part of what’s necessary to heal the wounds inflicted over four centuries on blacks. His niche is even more specialized– he does this sort of work in the context of white denominational mainline Protestantism, which, on the whole has welcomed both him and his message.”
So, how did Trinity, given Wright’s controversial criticism of the government, get millions of dollars in handouts from Washington over the years?
Democratic presidential candidate and Illinois Sen. Barack Obama says the grants didn’t come with any of his help, despite 20 years of membership at Trinity.
In fact, after the Obama campaign learned FOX News was working on this report, it released a statement saying, “Barack Obama did not work to secure grant money for Trinity United Church of Christ while serving in the Illinois state Legislature or Congress.”
But Jay Shafritz, an author and professor emeritus of public administration from the Graduate School of Public and International Affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, says at some level, politics invariably influences how government grant money is awarded.
“This is very much a sophisticated operation of convincing the people in government that you are the most deserving person, because these grants are very often competitive,” he said.
“It’s very much like good old fashioned patronage. In the old days, political machines had jobs to give their constituents. Nowadays, they offer them grants,” Shafritz continued.
Shafritz examined the grant documents provided by FOX News and found no wrongdoing.
Yet, he said there’s no way to know exactly how Trinity spent its millions in taxpayer money, since grant awards usually afford some latitude for discretionary use. He stressed that it’s clear the grants have helped Wright grow his once tiny ministry into a massive empire.
“Before he embarrassed himself on national television with his rantings, he was a very, very sophisticated guy in terms of growing organizations. He knew how the game was played and he played it very well. But he’s not unique,” he said.
Nationwide, African-American churches have used this kind of funding to pump investment into inner-city neighborhoods as a means of growing support — religious scholars say largely so under the Bush administration, when faith based grants increased significantly.
“For these organizations, federal funding for things like senior centers or drug treatment programs or affordable housing helps them get where they want to go,” Walsh said.
Trinity United refused comment on this story. But Wright, who officially retired on Monday, has long defended the legacy of community outreach provided by Trinity, which he founded 36 years ago.
But Washington says if Wright felt it was OK to get resources from the government, the church shouldn’t preach against it.
“It’s a dangerous thing to do because there’s a reason that the government gives that kind of support to the church. If the church bites the hand that feeds them, maybe that support is going to end.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/02/obamas-ex-church-has-won-15m-in-federal-grant-money/
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I'd like to see where that money went, and if the church can provide any records
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“It’s a dangerous thing to do because there’s a reason that the government gives that kind of support to the church. If the church bites the hand that feeds them, maybe that support is going to end.”
This is an interesting quote coming from a journalism professor.
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Chicago politics is the worst in the country...every steroatype about elections, fraud, waste and abuse can be tied directly to these guys.
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I'd like to see where that money went, and if the church can provide any records
They don't legally have to.
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They don't legally have to.
They get $15 million in grant money and don't have to provide records?
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They get $15 million in grant money and don't have to provide records?
You posted the article.
Yet, he said there’s no way to know exactly how Trinity spent its millions in taxpayer money, since grant awards usually afford some latitude for discretionary use.
Records show this money supported a variety of outreach: everything from low income housing to nutritional programs for needy kids to money for HIV/AIDS education.
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Barack Obama is “deeply disappointed” by another hate preacher tonight—another hate preacher that he apparently just learned about for the first time today, despite attending Trinity United Church for 20 years.....
But there's this...Typical of Mr. Obama’s earmarks was a $100,000 grant for a youth center at a Catholic church run by the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a controversial priest who was one of the few South Side clergymen to back Mr. Obama against Mr. Rush.
And of course this....
Antoin "Tony" Rezko, 52, a prominent fundraiser for Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich was convicted of fraud, money laundering and bribery Wednesday after a trial that exposed a corrupt culture of payoffs and campaign finance abuses plaguing Illinois politics.
Obama issued a statement saying he was “saddened,” adding, “This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform
20 years? Jesus, half you guys say he just started going there recently to look like a christian. Which one is it, it's been going there 20 years or just started more recently? Maybe youandme can explain... ::)
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You posted the article.
You made the following comment in response to youandme talking about producing records:
They don't legally have to.
What were you talking about?
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The quotes I posted are from the article and elaborate on my earlier post.
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Trinity Chruch does not equal Obama.
However, if you can't stomach Obama I supposed you'll find any connection that will.
If you can't stomach McCain I suppose you'll see that he's an admitted racist bordering on senility as it's proven he doesn't know what's going on in Iraq.