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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: SweetMuscles on June 06, 2008, 10:57:44 AM
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i am very sceptiacl. i like to train 3 on 2 off (6 days) i train hard and heavy and light and pumpy alternatively. i drink 50 grams protein and maize before and the same after. i eat steak and eggs and brown rice. lots of vegatables.
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i look VERY good on so much training
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over-training is every natural bber's biggest concern
train instinctively and listen to your body
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i'm sure you're going to get many different answers here, but it might be best to try 2 training protocols, one where you train for 3 days a week and another where you train more often. Use them both over a period of time and see which one delivers better gains.
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train a muscle every 72 hours for optimum protein synethsis and cns recovery. 8)
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train a muscle every 72 hours for optimum protein synethsis and cns recovery. 8)
so 3 on 1 off is best? no wodner i look very much better than most others at all gyms
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so 3 on 1 off is best? no wodner i look very much better than most others at all gyms
no, either fullbody every 3rd day i.e. mon, thur, sun, wed, sat, tue, fri, mon, etc
or 2 on 1 off - upper/lower or push/pull - basically whatever you like, just leave 2 days of rest between working the same bodyparts.
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no, either fullbody every 3rd day i.e. mon, thur, sun, wed, sat, tue, fri, mon, etc
or 2 on 1 off - upper/lower or push/pull - basically whatever you like, just leave 2 days of rest between working the same bodyparts.
I would also suggest doing both heavier and ligther lifts during almost all workouts and 3on 2off second off day could be used as an active cardio day to break up the monotony.
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Everybody is different.
I've seen some people make awesome gains training 3 times a week for like 30-40 mins.
I've always trained 5-6 days a week, for like 2-3 hours.
Just do what works for you.
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mike mentzer (yah, he was a little crazy) talked about recuperative rates varying as much as sun tolerance and IQ's. some people burn in 5 minutes of sun while others can stay unprotected in sun for hours. there are morons with IQ' under 50, (no offense guys) as well as geniuses with near 200 IQ's.
it makes sense that some people can train hours a day, while others may overtrain on 2 workouts a week (mike called these people recuperative morons)
then again, mike did drink his own piss!!
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no, either fullbody every 3rd day i.e. mon, thur, sun, wed, sat, tue, fri, mon, etc
or 2 on 1 off - upper/lower or push/pull - basically whatever you like, just leave 2 days of rest between working the same bodyparts.
I do mon, wed, fri and have sat sun off I use the days in between as cardio would you find this is over training I do full body work outs that last about 45-60 mins.
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Everybody is different.
I've seen some people make awesome gains training 3 times a week for like 30-40 mins.
I've always trained 5-6 days a week, for like 2-3 hours.
Just do what works for you.
That's what I used to do but then I lost my steady job and I can't feed my self like I used to and I am not about to eat cheap ass healthy foods like I did when I first started. I barely train at all anymore (I cut back training about last labor day and all together about 1 1/2 -2 months ago) I am still losing size, getting soft and getting a belly (mainly from bad eating), I still have the shape I worked so hard for and I know I could get back my size, hardness and six pack in 4-6 months training with weights 3days a week.
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Triple H does well on the guitar there
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over-training is every natural bber's biggest concern
train instinctively and listen to your body
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That's lee priest!
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NO ,the one on the bottom is not Lee Preist
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I do mon, wed, fri and have sat sun off I use the days in between as cardio would you find this is over training I do full body work outs that last about 45-60 mins.
if it works for you then great, i have also used that same format and had good results.
There is some debate however as to what is optimal in regards to protein sysnthesis rates 48 or 72 hours.
There is more agreement for cns recovery needing 72 hours.
Also with studies showing twice a week workouts producing equal muscle mass gains, but more stength gains than 3 time a week workouts, i am happy to recommend every 3rd day per body part. 8)
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I made my best gains in strength as well as muscle mass by training only 3 days per week. Each workout was a mere 30min at best. No it was not the heavy duty approach either. I only did the basic compound movements which hit every muscle group. Bench on monday, with barbell rows or deads, squat on wed, then shoulders arms on friday. ;)
One really good warm up set then five sets of progressive overload to failure. Every week I would add at least 2.5-5 pounds to every exersise and every set.
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5 times a week. 3 day/45minute "splits" are a joke. ::)
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Hit the weights at least 4 times per week (more is not beneficial for most naturals I guess; only some genetic-monsters could do that). On the other 3 days you can do cardio if you want (depends on your goals).
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i think 4 times a week weighttraining is max.
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i think 4 times a week weighttraining is max.
I think it depends on the person. I train 6/7 days a week. Works fine for me
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maybe it would work much better if you did 4 times stud.
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Four times is ideal - five or more is too much and you can't maintain the intensity and three isn't enough - the body won't receive enough stimulus.
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maybe it would work much better if you did 4 times stud.
Yeh, it would be much better if I wasn't a 235lb natural with visible abs closing in on a 660lb deadlift after 13 months training
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Yeh, it would be much better if I wasn't a 235lb natural with visible abs closing in on a 660lb deadlift after 13 months training
oh brother ::)
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oh brother ::)
Yes?
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you must be a huge beast "burn2live".
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you must be a huge beast "burn2live".
225-228lbs Jan 08. Dunno how to pose
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not bad burn2live
i too am natural - steroid takers repulse and disgust me, they are shit on my trainers. i train this split : 3 on 1 off. I do this: Shoulders and arms/legs/chest and back /off repeat.
i do heavy and light alterantively. this means each bodypart is directly trained x2 a week with a hard and heavy session of 4-8 reps and a lighter, technique based session of 10-12 reps.
works well for me and i look very, very good so much so I want to do mr getbig
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not bad burn2live
i too am natural - steroid takers repulse and disgust me, they are shit on my trainers. i train this split : 3 on 1 off. I do this: Shoulders and arms/legs/chest and back /off repeat.
i do heavy and light alterantively. this means each bodypart is directly trained x2 a week with a hard and heavy session of 4-8 reps and a lighter, technique based session of 10-12 reps.
works well for me and i look very, very good so much so I want to do mr getbig
Cool. I only train for strength, if size comes with it so be it. Good luck in the mr getbig!
I don't have a problem with people taking steroids, it's when they compete in drug free competition that I have a problem. I think everyone would agree. If I ever use (earliest in 7 years time. I am 20) I will be open about it, I don't see the point in lying.
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Cool. I only train for strength, if size comes with it so be it. Good luck in the mr getbig!
I don't have a problem with people taking steroids, it's when they compete in drug free competition that I have a problem. I think everyone would agree. If I ever use (earliest in 7 years time. I am 20) I will be open about it, I don't see the point in lying.
you will be a monster by 30, i mean really seriously impressive as hell if you keep the dedication. very strong already bro . great for 20 and just over a year. impressed
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yeah burntforlife looks good.
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you will be a monster by 30, i mean really seriously impressive as hell if you keep the dedication. very strong already bro . great for 20 and just over a year. impressed
Thanks man, I appreciate it :) I began from a very shitty starting point last year. Do you compete?
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yeah burntforlife looks good.
lol. Thanks man
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Thanks man, I appreciate it :) I began from a very shitty starting point last year. Do you compete?
i have never had any desire to do the thong strip for middle aged men. i am seriously considering doing mr getbig though as i think i might have achance if the judging is fair and not based on forum 'cred'. you should give it a go too.
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Steve Reeves et al didn't exactly wilt on x3 a week.
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i have never had any desire to do the thong strip for middle aged men. i am seriously considering doing mr getbig though as i think i might have achance if the judging is fair and not based on forum 'cred'. you should give it a go too.
I'm not really lean enough at the moment. I mean, I'm not fat, but I don't want to go cutting too much weight and losing strength. Good luck anyways man, I will look out for your pics! If anything it's some extra motivation
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I just switched to 5 from 4. More or less needed a change, also it seems like my diet stays a little tighter on 5 days compared to four.
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i train 6x a week generally though if i feel ru down or tiored i wont bother na dhave no problem missing a days training. im also very lazy trainer lol
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i feel ru down or tiored i wont bother na dhave no problem missing a days training.
I don't understand.
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LOL i can see why.
i mean, if i feel tired or run down then i have no problem missing a workout
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Looking good b2l - rugged.
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mike mentzer (yah, he was a little crazy) talked about recuperative rates varying as much as sun tolerance and IQ's. some people burn in 5 minutes of sun while others can stay unprotected in sun for hours. there are morons with IQ' under 50, (no offense guys) as well as geniuses with near 200 IQ's.
it makes sense that some people can train hours a day, while others may overtrain on 2 workouts a week (mike called these people recuperative morons)
then again, mike did drink his own piss!!
Mike was right about this and I don't mean the drinking part.
It also changes with age. If everything else stays the same, you will not recuperate as fast at 38 as you did at 28. Nor will you recuperate as fast at 28 as you did at 18.
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Looking good b2l - rugged.
:) Thanks!
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nice owning of mars there b2l ;)
good build too, strength is impressive too.
what do your workouts look like?
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:) Thanks!
Gayer than me feeling proud of my gayer than brother 8)
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nice owning of mars there b2l ;)
good build too, strength is impressive too.
what do your workouts look like?
I don't isolate anything. All heavy compound movements low reps. Strength is number one priority. Typical powerlifting training really. Have been held back a little bit recently with back and wrist injuries :(
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Gayer than me feeling proud of my gayer than brother 8)
Gayer than me saying aw shucks :-[
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Everyone has different requirements and recuperative abilities, experience, diet, androgens, genetics, etc. One size does not fit all.
Currently lifting eod: deads, dips, chins, split squats plus rotating flat & inc BP on WO1, arms WO2, shoulders & calves WO3. Rower for cardio oed 45-60 mins, low-med intensity.
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I think your body also changes and responds differently to different type of training with time.
There was one point in the past when I was responding very well to 3 days a week training, using HIT type training.
At the moment, as mentioned I train 5-6 times a week, I dunno how to categorize my training, its a mix of heavy compound movements, like squats, deads, and bench, but I also do train using the cables and machines. Training wise this has been one of my best pre-contests to date!!
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..........yes!
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You can't build muscle without steroids.
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You can't build muscle without steroids.
sad but true.
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sad but true.
were all hormonized to some extent,,,
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sad but true.
hit the lights.
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