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http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php?t=31784&page=22
Okay guys, here's the story. Dave Palumbo and I have pooled our various resources and here is what we know directly or indirectly from people who were on the scene:
Apparently, Amanda was trying to leave Jacobs as she had a bag packed. Jacobs must have gotten furious over her wanting to leave and he beat the shit out out of her, very, very badly - not only was her body racked, but the place was a wreck and there were holes punched in the wall as well as other holes indicating someone was thrown into them. She must have gotten away at one point and locked herself in the bathroom as the door to it was kicked in. At that point it was Amanda who had the gun (probably hers as Jacobs had to surrender all of his when he was arrested) and probably struggled with Jacobs over it and it went off hitting him in the abdomen at close range. He took the gun from her and then shot her three times in the head and face killing her. He then realized what he did and turned the gun on himself and shot himself in the head. That accounts for five of the six shots fired. One was obviously a discharge that probably went off during the struggle.
It is a murder/suicide and that is what the report will say when it eventually comes out. There are many more smaller details that will also come out that might surprise some of you. For right now, the cursory description I just gave will have to suffice. I'm sure we will pick this apart some more on NBR Monday night.
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Hard to follow a story like this when you should be violently ill with cancer
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how do u get shot in the stomach and be able to snatch a gun away from someone? i don't know how bad gunshots are, but i imagine they're way worse than depicted in most movies... this seems like it came right out of a movie.
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how do u get shot in the stomach and be able to snatch a gun away from someone? i don't know how bad gunshots are, but i imagine they're way worse than depicted in most movies... this seems like it came right out of a movie.
Hey Fagger. You = slow to answer enthusiastic PMS ;D
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Hey Fagger. You = slow to answer enthusiastic PMS ;D
;)
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Romano says she was shot in the head. Media reports she was shot in the chest. Hmmmmm
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how do u get shot in the stomach and be able to snatch a gun away from someone? i don't know how bad gunshots are, but i imagine they're way worse than depicted in most movies... this seems like it came right out of a movie.
just knock the shit out of the person
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who cares when a rat is gone
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Hard to follow a story like this when you should be violently ill with cancer
Let it go dude, its only the internet ::)
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When a Glock .40 cal "goes off", or is fired without a stiff wrist, it jams.
There is no 2nd shot until the weapon is re-racked.
When Romano says she "probably struggled with Jacobs over it and it went off hitting him in the abdomen at close range."... that's BS.
Glocks do not "go off". They have very good trigger safeties. They don't go off unless a finger is in that jam. I don't understand his inability to say she might have fired the weapon... but Glocks don't "go off" and they do need re-racked after a firing without a locked wrist.
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When a Glock .40 cal "goes off", or is fired without a stiff wrist, it jams.
There is no 2nd shot until the weapon is re-racked.
When Romano says she "probably struggled with Jacobs over it and it went off hitting him in the abdomen at close range."... that's BS.
Glocks do not "go off". They have very good trigger safeties. They don't go off unless a finger is in that jam. I don't understand his inability to say she might have fired the weapon... but Glocks don't "go off" and they do need re-racked after a firing without a locked wrist.
Don't you have to squeeze the handle on the glock for the trigger to be able to be pulled? I have never owned a glock, but I remember someone talking about this once.
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When a Glock .40 cal "goes off", or is fired without a stiff wrist, it jams.
There is no 2nd shot until the weapon is re-racked.
When Romano says she "probably struggled with Jacobs over it and it went off hitting him in the abdomen at close range."... that's BS.
Glocks do not "go off". They have very good trigger safeties. They don't go off unless a finger is in that jam. I don't understand his inability to say she might have fired the weapon... but Glocks don't "go off" and they do need re-racked after a firing without a locked wrist.
Agreed...
He's close, but missing the obvious...
THey said the front door had signs of forced entry....probably accurate...forced open from an irate Jacobs, who finally shoulderd it open, to a waiting Amanda who was fearful for her life...who shot him in the abdominal area...he then grabed the gun from her, turning it on her and shooting her multiple times. Knowing he was going to the chair, he then took his own life.
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Don't you have to squeeze the handle on the glock for the trigger to be able to be pulled? I have never owned a glock, but I remember someone talking about this once.
nope, just the little lever in the middle of the trigger. And if you "bitch wrist" the gun, it locks right up.
THey said the front door had signs of forced entry....probably accurate...forced open from an irate Jacobs, who finally shoulderd it open, to a waiting Amanda who was fearful for her life...who shot him in the abdominal area...he then grabed the gun from her, turning it on her and shooting her multiple times. Knowing he was going to the chair, he then took his own life.
Do you think he shot her 8 times? They found 10 casings expended. In that case, a ricocet is entirely possible. Putting 8 bullets into someone at close range might lead to a ricocet. unlikely, but possible.
Also noteworthy is that the entire 10-round clip (magazine) was emptied. Alternative theory - if a 3rd person was the shooter - is that bullet #1 wounds DJ to the gut. Bullet #2 kills DJ to the head. Perp then empties weapon (8 remaining bullets) into witness.
I can't see DJ counting, then using the one remaining bullet for himself... AFTER shooting himself in the belly. Honestly, it's silly to believe he shot himself in belly intentionally. That part of story is laughable, to be honest. Either she did it, and everyone is protecting her name, or a ricocet, or someone else, or in a striggle. But NOBODY - especially experienced marine - puts barrel to own stomach and fires. That's an asinine theory.
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Knowing he was going to the chair, he then took his own life.
Even in TX, in a house full of drugs, there are no saints. He'd do life, but given the relationship and the drugs and the emotion of the event, he'd never get the chair.
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Even in TX, in a house full of drugs, there are no saints. He'd do life, but given the relationship and the drugs and the emotion of the event, he'd never get the chair.
they have the needle not the chair
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Last time these guys 'pooled their resources' Lee Priest was pronounced dead
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nope, just the little lever in the middle of the trigger. And if you "bitch wrist" the gun, it locks right up.
Do you think he shot her 8 times? They found 10 casings expended. In that case, a ricocet is entirely possible. Putting 8 bullets into someone at close range might lead to a ricocet. unlikely, but possible.
Also noteworthy is that the entire 10-round clip (magazine) was emptied. Alternative theory - if a 3rd person was the shooter - is that bullet #1 wounds DJ to the gut. Bullet #2 kills DJ to the head. Perp then empties weapon (8 remaining bullets) into witness.
I can't see DJ counting, then using the one remaining bullet for himself... AFTER shooting himself in the belly. Honestly, it's silly to believe he shot himself in belly intentionally. That part of story is laughable, to be honest. Either she did it, and everyone is protecting her name, or a ricocet, or someone else, or in a striggle. But NOBODY - especially experienced marine - puts barrel to own stomach and fires. That's an asinine theory.
What we don't know is how many times she was shot, and how many shots were found in the wall, etc...she could have shot and missed a few times...who knows.
No way he shot himself in the stomach....I only hope she at least got him once.
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nope, just the little lever in the middle of the trigger. And if you "bitch wrist" the gun, it locks right up.
AHA, that's right, the little trigger on the trigger.
This whole thing reeks of coverup, I smell it all the way over here in CA. :-X
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What we don't know is how many times she was shot, and how many shots were found in the wall, etc...she could have shot and missed a few times...who knows.
I hope they release this info. I find it very interesting that the gun was completely emptied. Ten rounds fired is a LOT of bullets. VERY hard to believe he counted to 9, and there happened to be the last bullet for himself. When you fire 8+ rounds in very fast succession, you empty the gun. Leaving ONE round... just isn't realistic.
No way he shot himself in the stomach....
Agreed. Your LEO outlook on this is pretty interesting.
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Or she shot him in the stomach and then realised what she did and shot herself and then he decided to end it all also...
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Or she shot him in the stomach and then realised what she did and shot herself and then he decided to end it all also...
no way...
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Or she shot him in the stomach and then realised what she did and shot herself and then he decided to end it all also...
Maybe he shot himself in the stomach, then passed out, she thought he was dead, couldn't stand the thought of being without him, she shoots herself, he come to, sees her dead, and then shoots himself!@!!
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Maybe he shot himself in the stomach, then passed out, she thought he was dead, couldn't stand the thought of being without him, she shoots herself, he come to, sees her dead, and then shoots himself!@!!
Maybe there was a third gunman.......
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Maybe some cops he sold to and was about to rat out broke in, shot him in the stomach, then shot him in the head, then pumped her full of bullets, then trashed the place and left the gun to make it look like a domestic deal. ::)
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Maybe there was a third gunman.......
:o
You're making crazy talk!!!!!!!
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I hope they release this info. I find it very interesting that the gun was completely emptied. Ten rounds fired is a LOT of bullets. VERY hard to believe he counted to 9, and there happened to be the last bullet for himself. When you fire 8+ rounds in very fast succession, you empty the gun. Leaving ONE round... just isn't realistic.
Agreed. Your LEO outlook on this is pretty interesting.
240.... if you keep posting facts someone is gonna make you "apologize" again. ;D
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Maybe there was a third gunman.......
You mean, a 3rd person, being the ONLY gunman?
Shit was getting hectic there... so if it was, they picked a helluva convenient time to do it... walkin while the two are having a big fight and X them then.
Most likely, it was just the 2 of them, and a messy messy scene. IMO, the rush to blame Dj for everything, and prove her innocent of absolutely everything, has led to this problem.
Did DJ shoot himself in the gut? Most likely, no. Either she did it defending herself, or someone else did it. Most likely her... they were throwing down the night it happened. She probably took the glock and locked herself in the room. He kicked down door, she shot him in the belly and gun locked. He grabbed it... shot her a hell of a lot of times, laid on the floor bleeding and sobbing, then X'd himself out.
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no way...
Well she was with the guy just for the money and when the money was gone, so was she...Not exactly someone who would know how to control her own emotions
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240.... if you keep posting facts someone is gonna make you "apologize" again. ;D
LOL... two new pieces of info... the fact that police say 10 rounds were fired... and the fact that they were fighting so bad the night it happened... it most likely rules out another party doing it. Unless he chose that exact moment to do it.
10 rounds is a LOT of bullets. He must have emptied that gun into her. The Q is, did he save the last round for himself (nobody counts to 8 when shooting someone in a moment of passion)... or did he crawl to dresser with bullet in belly, and pass phone (calling 911) to pop in another clip and shoot his own wig off?
I'd guess that the pain that comes with bullet in gut... you just want help... then again, police come into that room, and he's back to prison for good this time...
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Well she was with the guy just for the money and when the money was gone, so was she...Not exactly someone who would know how to control her own emotions
She wasn't gone...had she been gone, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
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LOL... two new pieces of info... the fact that police say 10 rounds were fired... and the fact that they were fighting so bad the night it happened... it most likely rules out another party doing it. Unless he chose that exact moment to do it.
10 rounds is a LOT of bullets. He must have emptied that gun into her. The Q is, did he save the last round for himself (nobody counts to 8 when shooting someone in a moment of passion)... or did he crawl to dresser with bullet in belly, and pass phone (calling 911) to pop in another clip and shoot his own wig off?
I'd guess that the pain that comes with bullet in gut... you just want help... then again, police come into that room, and he's back to prison for good this time...
did he serve time previsiously in prison?
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weare living some sad times my friends... stubborn deranged people with issues should not use hormones. Why a girl like her would hook up with a controling retard like him is beyond me.
When gh15 described the fitness scene he def knew what was going on....
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Maybe there was a third gunman.......
and a magic bullet from the gunman in the grassy knoll
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and a magic bullet from the gunman in the grassy knoll
cue someone with brainwashed conditioned response. I miss being this oblivious to evidence. Life was so simple and peaceful back then.
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Eight shots sounds like someone bulleting a pentagram.
Satanists, no-brainer.
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how do u get shot in the stomach and be able to snatch a gun away from someone? i don't know how bad gunshots are, but i imagine they're way worse than depicted in most movies... this seems like it came right out of a movie.
If a person full of hate and high on adrenalin basically going berserk you need a take down shot to stop them.
A gut shot wont do it.
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cue someone with brainwashed conditioned response. I miss being this oblivious to evidence. Life was so simple and peaceful back then.
far from oblivious just think that youre taking it too far
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far from oblivious just think that youre taking it too far
Super smart people always look beyond headlines. Headlines are for the obliviously brainwashed.
Not for super smart people.
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far from oblivious just think that youre taking it too far
i believe it was him and her. sounds like they were having a big throwdown that night and many knew about it.
it's just that when you toss in the fact he was about to destroy the lives of many millionaires and LEOs with his book, well, that creates a lot of motive.
when you toss in the fact that he knew he was about to get rich - and had much to live for - that creates a lot of motive NOT to off himself.
Sure, when he was bleeding from the gut with a dead GF in front of him, in a house full of weed, gear and coke, his options might have looked bleak, and he likely just chose to cap himself. I just resent the instant "grassy noll" jab, when it's obvious here that plenty of other people woudl benefit greatly from him taking the dirt nap.
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how do u get shot in the stomach and be able to snatch a gun away from someone? i don't know how bad gunshots are, but i imagine they're way worse than depicted in most movies... this seems like it came right out of a movie.
If you have a high enough pain threshold, you could function after being gutshot. Odds are somebody made him watch.
Does Dave Jacobs have any record of domestic violence?
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What we don't know is how many times she was shot, and how many shots were found in the wall, etc...she could have shot and missed a few times...who knows.
No way he shot himself in the stomach....I only hope she at least got him once.
I hope she did also!
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Being someone forced thier way in, it is very possible that one of the many people that were on his list to rat on ie.. Cowboys, could have done this!
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I wish she didn't pack her bags at his house and avoided the altercation with Dave. Just forget your stuff and get away from the guy with no warning. Was she living with him at the time? Either way I heard that he threatened her before so why even be around the guy?
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If you have a high enough pain threshold, you could function after being gutshot. Odds are somebody made him watch.
Does Dave Jacobs have any record of domestic violence?
Her mother is quoted as saying Amanda told her he had held a gun to her head prior, she was scared of him etc.
He was long said to have been *extremely* abusive for months well before this happened.
I don't think[?] he has an arrest record for it, but then Coleman & Cutler have no steroid arrests
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I wish she didn't pack her bags at his house and avoided the altercation with Dave. Just forget your stuff and get away from the guy with no warning. Was she living with him at the time? Either way I heard that he threatened her before so why even be around the guy?
I Agree!
Why do people stay in such dangerous relationships?
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Her mother is quoted as saying Amanda told her he had held a gun to her heard prior, she was scared of him etc.
He was long said to have been *extremely* abusive for months well before this happened.
I don't think[?] he has an arrest record for it, but then Coleman & Cutler have no steroid arrests
She's with an extremely abusive guy in a house full of coke and weed, gear and guns. Sad.
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She's with an extremely abusive guy in a house full of coke and weed, gear and guns. Sad.
Coke and weed...didn't know that. I doubt she was on drugs and that was all for him.
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Coke and weed...didn't know that. I doubt she was on drugs and that was all for him.
Even if she didn't touch the stuff, she had been dating him for months. She knew what he was up to, and what was in the house. hell, she was #2 at the Arnold... I'm guessing she wasn't exactly a natty...
Not excusing what he did, if indeed he was the shooter. Just pointing out that she wasn't at Sunday School when this happened.
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Romano is speculating like many are, hearing various stories from people here in Texas.
She was shot three times in the chest, not in the face. There was a struggle. She could of shot him. But the report says two self afflicted wounds to himself. She wasn't trying to leave him. She was there to walk the dogs. Dave was gone for the weekend. She had talked to serveral guys that she had seen when they were broken up before. Dave came home, flipped out, killed her.
This wasn't the first time he flipped out. He was very jealous, very controlling, and very anal.
Once the final police report is issued, and the funeral service Monday is over, a lot more is due to come out.
Prejuding is over here in Dallas, and a lot is being talked about this.
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Romano is speculating like many are, hearing various stories from people here in Texas.
She was shot three times in the chest, not in the face. There was a struggle. She could of shot him. But the report says two self afflicted wounds to himself. She wasn't trying to leave him. She was there to walk the dogs. Dave was gone for the weekend. She had talked to serveral guys that she had seen when they were broken up before. Dave came home, flipped out, killed her.
This wasn't the first time he flipped out. He was very jealous, very controlling, and very anal.
Once the final police report is issued, and the funeral service Monday is over, a lot more is due to come out.
Prejuding is over here in Dallas, and a lot is being talked about this.
Her myspace comments talked about the cute guy that a friend had lined up for her. Some sort of date. So it seemed like it wasn't exactly a secret that she was seeing other guys.
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I Agree!
Why do people stay in such dangerous relationships?
some people get addicted to each other and cannot separate until there is a tragedy
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It didn't happen. It's just a cover for change of their identity.
....maybe
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A week ago, didn't she post that she had already up with Dave?
Of course, at the same time, she also said that she did not start dating him until 'everything was over'...yet somehow had been broken up with him for a long time.
Was 'Brandy' posting as Amanda Jo?
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He was very anal.
It was then a homocide.
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lets face it...It was an emotional relationship on both sides...The women at one time or another was full of hormones just like her man...All you guys out there who date women who use male hormones know that 9 time out of 10 these people are basket cases...
For crying out loud...Who tells there own mother that there boyfriend held a gun to there head and then stays with the man...You could imagine what the mother went thru hearing this...I'm sure she didn't know what a decent nights sleep felt like in years...
There is no fcking victims in this world!! Selfish people always end up facing the music one way or another...Its the law of Universe...And you can't hide from it...
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lets face it...It was an emotional relationship on both sides...The women at one time or another was full of hormones just like her man...All you guys out there who date women who use male hormones know that 9 time out of 10 these people are basket cases...
For crying out loud...Who tells there own mother that there boyfriend held a gun to there head and then stays with the man...You could imagine what the mother went thru hearing this...I'm sure she didn't know what a decent nights sleep felt like in years...
There is no fcking victims in this world!!
As far as I can gather, he held a gun to his own head. CQ probably just misread the article.
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As far as I can gather, he held a gun to his own head. CQ probably just misread the article.
I'm sure her mother lost sleep either way...If you got the balls to kill yourself, you sure as hell got the balls to do the same to another...Some people are walking time bombs...And they should be shown some sort of respect for that reason alone...Truth is that we all walk a fine line between losing it and walking the straight and narrow...Sounds like he had many signs that would tell any half way intellegent soul that he was losing it...Hence is why i believe that there is no victims...