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Hey guys im lookin to strengthen my bench any tips on how to add atleast 20lbs??
Any suggestions would be appreciated
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Hey guys im lookin to strengthen my bench any tips on how to add atleast 20lbs??
Any suggestions would be appreciated
There is a thread in the powerlifting board about exercises to increase bench press. Try checking that out. Also, how long have you been training and what is your bw? A 20lb increase can be a huge amount or not so hard to achieve, depending on the situation
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heavy negatives....
load up 1.5 your 1 rep max... you perform the eccentric portion (lower the weight), then someone else performs the concentrect protion (pushing it back up) and then you loweer it again... repeat this as many times as you can...
lets you get use to feeling the weight and your strength should shoot up
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Also form form form, you need to stop thinking like a bodybuilder, and start thinking like a powerlifter. At least for a little while
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Load that 20 lbs you want to get to (example: if doing 220 for 1 good rep that add the 20 to make it 240) and preform half reps with it to lockout. After doing as many reps that way, add 20 lbs more and do quarter reps to lockout. When done with that, add 30 more lbs and do 1/8 reps to lockout. Finally take a weight that you normally do 5 reps from the chest position and see how many complete rep's you can do.
This is all geared to set up your motor units to adjust to and fire off using a much heavier workload. You want your muscles to adapt and progress from that heavier workload. And they will. Good Luck.
Side Bar: it would help greatly if you had a Power Rack. Use a Smith machine if no PR. As a last resort, get 2 bud's (one will not be enough for safety factors) to help you into bar position.
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Hey guys im lookin to strengthen my bench any tips on how to add atleast 20lbs??
Any suggestions would be appreciated
Dbol, test, tren - choice is yours.
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Ihave been training about 5 years seriously now bw is 218 not leaned out probably about 180 lean,
JPM couldnt that be dangerous for tendons?
I mean sounds like solid advice im just wondering how dangerous that could actually be.
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take deca with your test and it will be just fine for your tendons :D
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Hey guys im lookin to strengthen my bench any tips on how to add atleast 20lbs??
Any suggestions would be appreciated
bench shirt :D
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bench shirt :D
He said 20lbs not 200lbs. ;D
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Guys im not looking to gear up just yet. Just looking to make some solid strength gains at this point
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Guys im not looking to gear up just yet. Just looking to make some solid strength gains at this point
They're just kidding you. Lighten up.
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I know lol was just sayin thats not what im lookin for, i just get frustrated with getting stuck on plateus man it sucks.
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get a spotter and do those heavy negatives.
and also make sure your diets in line
steroid users get god gains because of artifical hormones
create your own natural hormones through training and diet geared toward test+gh production
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An article I wrote for bb.com:
How To Increase Your Bench Press-A Short Term Plan!
By: Tim Wescott
In this article I am going to outline a simple, but effective short term plan, that will enable you to add some pretty impressive weight to your bench press in a relatively short period of time. I have used this training protocol for many years, at various times, when I needed to add some poundage to my benching. So far, it has never failed me!
First of all, let me say that while performing bench presses, you should always use a spotter, for safety's sake. Too many people get hurt every year, for attempting to go too heavy without a spot.
Play it safe, and don't be shy, or afraid to ask for a spot if you train alone... you will not regret it, as rolling a heavy weight down the ribcage to the thighs, and then sitting up with the weight in your lap, can leave some pretty mean tracks!!
The basic premise of the routine is progressive overload, meaning that every week you are putting greater amounts of stress on the muscles used in bench pressing. You do this by adding small amounts of weight to the bar on a weekly basis.
This progressive overload forces the body to grow so it can adapt to the ever increasing amount of stress you are creating weekly - even though you are not quite training to failure, except for on the last few sets (in most cases anyway) - if, of course you are performing the routine correctly.
When benching the eyes should be right below the bar, shoulder blades squeezed together, chest held high, and inflated, a slightly arched back, and feet should be placed firmly on the floor. This will give you a good base of power to push off from.
Slowly bring the bar down to nipple level, touching the chest, and "Hyper explode" pushing the bar upward and backward in kind of a small arc.
Of course where you touch your chest with the bar will vary from person to person...the key is to just make sure it feels natural, and doesn't place too much unwanted stress on the shoulders.
How It Works:
There are no fancy formulas, graphs or charts involved in this setup, it's just 5 sets of 5 reps on the bench press... after a warm-up set or two to avoid injury, and to prepare the body for the heavier sets to follow.
Effective Progression:
The whole key to doing this program effectively, is to start out with a much lighter weight than you would normally use for benching.
For example, if you can bench press 225 pounds for a hard set of 5 reps, then you should start the program using only 185 pounds for the 5 sets of 5 reps.
The reasons for this are, that if you let your ego take over and begin the program using a weight that is too heavy, you will plateau, or burn out very quickly, and using the lighter weights to start with, will help you to perfect your form, while increasing poundage weekly.
End result, heavier reps with textbook form, which is imperative if you want to avoid injury, and work the target muscles involved in performing the exercise.
OK, lets assume that you begin the program using 185 pounds, this is all hypothetical, but no matter what you are benching presently, start off using considerably less weight. This is very important for long term progress, and to make this program work effectively for you.
If you do all 5 sets of 5 reps with the 185 pounds, then you will add 5 pounds to the bar the next time you bench.
You should only be benching once a week, and although the first few weeks will feel easy for you, by the time you get to week #3 or 4 you will be hard pressed to get all the reps on the latter sets.
That is 2 1/2 pounds to each side of the bar just to clarify!!
You keep adding this 5 total pounds weekly, until you hit a sticking point and begin to plateau.
If at any time you do not complete all of the sets and reps, stay at this weight until you succeed, then continue on by adding the 5 pounds on the following bench day, after you have succeeded with the weight that gave you trouble.
Warming Up:
Warm-up sufficiently by doing a lighter set or two, but do not overextend yourself on these sets... just make sure it prepares you for the heavier 5 work sets to come later.
Obviously, if you are benching in the neighborhood of 300-400 pounds for sets of 5 reps, you will have to do progressive jumps in poundage to warm-up good enough, but still, do not go overboard. Try to save power for the hard stuff!
After a time, you will eventually hit a wall, and will be able to progress no further, just as you would on any program. This is where I recommend warming up, and performing either 3 sets of 3 reps or, 5 sets of 3 reps....... with a heavier poundage of course.
I personally would recommend opting for the former scenario for most trainees, but if you can handle 5 sets, then by all means go for it!!
You'll soon be repping out with way more weight in no time flat.
Remember to throw away your ego, and to intentionally start out with lighter weights - I can't stress the importance of this strongly enough.
Assistance Exercises:
Good assistance exercises to use are barbell inclines, and weighted parallel bar dips, along with some lat work, and tricep training to aid in pushing power.
A good exercise to help strengthen the front deltoid (which is heavily involved during benching), is to do front raises while holding an Olympic plate (to face level only is sufficient) using two hands.
Jim Williams, who was one of the first men to bench press 700 pounds, did a lot of these "plate raises," and this was in the 1970's (long before bench shirts were invented).
You can also do this type of training regimen using any one of the big compound exercises or a combination of a few at a time. It works great on squats, deadlifts, barbell rows, inclines, etc. etc.
Conclusion:
give it a shot !! I've added 20-30 pounds to my bench in 8-12 weeks at various times using this system!!
STAY PUMPED!
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conjugate method..learn it
find out what your weak areas are in your bench... and strengthen them...
learn to bench PROPERLY..not this bodybuilding style of shit.. learn to bench with the most efficient and fluid way possible.
when your back, delts, abs, arms, legs, etc. get stronger... the easier it is to bench. If you don't think all those are involved in benching you're kidding yourself..
eat..make sure you're recovery properly after each workout no matter what it is...
I could go on all night..
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Yeah wicked i know that basically every other body part is included in bench ( You can feel it )
Im just lookin for some good tips on increaseing poundage bro
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Yeah wicked i know that basically every other body part is included in bench ( You can feel it )
Im just lookin for some good tips on increaseing poundage bro
I think you missed perhaps the most important part of what wicked said: "learn to bench PROPERLY". It's not just a matter of benching "properly" to get better poundages, it's (in the end) about keeping yourself as injury-free as possible. Because if you get a serious injury--and the serious ones usually creep up on you over the years, without you realizing it until it happens--you can kiss benching goodbye for good, or at least something you'd consider a decent poundage. You're probably thinking, "Yeah, sure, ok, I know how to bench." But odds are, you can always use improvement. Practice a lot with light weights, or no weights, on the bar. Bench that way, focusing closely on your technique with all your concentration, until it becomes second nature to you, almost like walking or riding a bike. Get rid of the ego for the time being. I say that, because if you're looking to increase your bench by 20 lbs "soon", chances are safety may not be your top priority right now. Anyway, I hope that doesn't sound too patronizing! 8)
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i agree good form is essential when going heavy.. and ALOT of guys have shitty bp form even when going light... bouncing it off their chest, rolling their shoulders forward, bringing their ass way off the bench..
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bounce the bar on your chest
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Panda i didnt say that i didnt agree with what wicked said about benching properly i was just saying that i knew what he was talking about already, And as far as the ego goes if i had this ego i wouldnt be asking for help in the first place
( NOT trying to sound cocky just letting you guys know )
Safety is a concern i try and use the best possible form making sure to go as strict on the entire movement as possible ( Not leaning to one side or the other and not throwing the weight off my chest Etc.
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Heavy negatives like someone mentioned before is great for strength very underestimated if you ask me
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negatives, greasing the groove (benching 3-5 times per week...very low volume per workout..and never to failure), ladders, close grip bench presses, lock outs, partial reps, shoulder presses, strong lats, using a closer grip when benching, chains, 3x3, heavy singles, dont go to failure all the time, bench twice a week, speed work, eat more food, rest pause, get fat, bench technique, very high volume (inorder to practice the bench movement), boards, drugs, periodization etc etc
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Heavy negatives like someone mentioned before is great for strength very underestimated if you ask me
Yup negatives, partials in various portions of ROM, spotter or rack's essential, chains along with what was mentioned in that article. Try all of that over time. Big believer in going to failure, it's a necessary part of overload just like using more weight.
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Yup negatives, partials in various portions of ROM, spotter or rack's essential, chains along with what was mentioned in that article. Try all of that over time. Big believer in going to failure, it's a necessary part of overload just like using more weight.
no its not. yes, it probably gives a bigger 'anabolic signal' in the short term..but it has to be weighed against recovery etc. one example is if your a powerlifter you seldom seek out failure...because frequency and volume tend to go to shit.
can failure training be used, for sure..but shouldnt be used all the time and it depends on how you set up your training routine.
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yes, it probably gives a bigger 'anabolic signal' in the short term..
4sho
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There is overload and than there is going to a point of failure. Different elements when it comes to serious training. PL'er will only encourage that point of failure once in a while (selected spaced training sessions) to test their max capacity in any lift (usually to gage their starting weights in a coming up match). But never in regular training workouts. This should go for the BB'er also, that taking any movement to such a point of failure is never needed. And should be avoided if steady muscle gain is the goal.
If Painlayer69 is only a BB'er who wants a little up in benching, like say15 to 20 lbs than that is really no big deal. Got lot's of training advise so far on this thread. Try the negatives and partials for pretty quick increases in benching power. Or the good suggestions offered by Wes. Pretty much fit any one of them in a regular chest workout.
Might not try to ever think of chains, bands, board presses and such. Takes a lot of time & tec stuff to learn even the basic of these methods. Even for a PL'er. Also trying positive failure, negatives failure or true complete failure which is a very rare state for the body to achieve. Unless your are near death. Good Luck.
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This should go for the BB'er also, that taking any movement to such a point of failure is never needed. And should be avoided if steady muscle gain is the goal.
Making unequivocal statements like this is foolish IMO. Just look at Pumping Iron for evidence entirely to the contrary, going to failure & looking great. I'll take Schwarzenegger's words, which agree with my own view-the body's not used to those extra reps (failure) which is what forces adaptation. The body adapts when forced to, will quite readily stay as it already is if given the chance.
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no its not. yes, it probably gives a bigger 'anabolic signal' in the short term..but it has to be weighed against recovery etc.
The only thing about that is there are all sorts of theories as to what's adequate recovery time. What's in vogue now is the less is more principle, training less vs. those who believe as i do that the muscle's ready for more in 2-3 days. Optimal frequency's entirely debatable, therefore frequency of training to failure is as well. Also have to factor in the length and intensity of workouts.
Bottom line most top BBs of the last 4-5 decades found that twice weekly was optimal frequency, which already differs from the less is more principle. Plenty of those guys were going to failure-the body only adapts when forced to by stress above and beyond it's current capabilities. Overload by definition is progressively doing more than what was formerly possible.
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pump ive been thinking about that 3 day principle myself and want to try it but im not sure how i should structure a workout schedule ... any ideas ?
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ask yourself where you're failing. first few inches? work your chest and lats. midpoint hang? bang on the shoulders. lockout? triceps.
you can tighten your back muscles, work on your leg drive, fix your breathing, alter your grip, change where the bar touches, all sorts of form tweaks and mean a gain or loss of even 30 pounds.
if all you're aiming for is a 20 pound hop, given the right coaching there's always the chance you could do it in a single workout.
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The only thing about that is there are all sorts of theories as to what's adequate recovery time. What's in vogue now is the less is more principle, training less vs. those who believe as i do that the muscle's ready for more in 2-3 days. Optimal frequency's entirely debatable, therefore frequency of training to failure is as well. Also have to factor in the length and intensity of workouts.
basically what i said
Bottom line most top BBs of the last 4-5 decades found that twice weekly was optimal frequency, which already differs from the less is more principle. Plenty of those guys were going to failure-the body only adapts when forced to by stress above and beyond it's current capabilities. Overload by definition is progressively doing more than what was formerly possible.
no one was arguing about optimal frequency, i simply pointed out that going to failure isnt a necessity. i personally also believe that training twice a week is close to optimal training frequency formost people...except complete newbies who will probably grow better by 3 times per week(when you get stronger its better to scale it back to once every fifth day or twice a week )..studies show this too. also remember that the thread starter, asked about increasing bench, and most powerlifters dont go to failure all the time and they sure know alot about increasing bench.
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conjugate method..learn it
find out what your weak areas are in your bench... and strengthen them...
learn to bench PROPERLY..not this bodybuilding style of shit.. learn to bench with the most efficient and fluid way possible.
when your back, delts, abs, arms, legs, etc. get stronger... the easier it is to bench. If you don't think all those are involved in benching you're kidding yourself..
eat..make sure you're recovery properly after each workout no matter what it is...
I could go on all night..
That is rich coming from a guy who would not know good form if it bit him in the ass...
Getting a stronger bench = finding a line between good form and cheating not getting the weight up at any expense and in anyway...IMO
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That is rich coming from a guy who would not know good form if it bit him in the ass...
Getting a stronger bench = finding a line between good form and cheating not getting the weight up at any expense and in anyway...IMO
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there's a difference between bad form and doing an exercise differently. his smith machine close-grip aside, wicked knows what he's doing, man.
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there's a difference between bad form and doing an exercise differently. his smith machine close-grip aside, wicked knows what he's doing, man.
OK...If you say so, but these morons, doing the exercise "differently" are the same ones that after doing the exercises differently for a time eventually hurt themselves and never come/go back...
So you guys just keep re-inventing the wheel while we all laugh at you...
I on the other hand have been goin' for 14 years with minimal injuries...
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OK...If you say so, but these morons, doing the exercise "differently" are the same ones that after doing the exercises differently for a time eventually hurt themselves and never come/go back...
So you guys just keep re-inventing the wheel while we all laugh at you...
I on the other hand have been goin' for 14 years with minimal injuries...
can you out-lift wicked? he's got a banded bench of 405 at the bottom with 465 at lockout, plus a pull over 7 plates. how about you?
just because you've been lifting for 14 years doesn't mean a lot unless you've got something to show for yourself in that time.
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can you out-lift wicked? he's got a banded bench of 405 at the bottom with 465 at lockout, plus a pull over 7 plates. how about you?
just because you've been lifting for 14 years doesn't mean a lot unless you've got something to show for yourself in that time.
...and whole time he is doing it his back is doing over 50% of the work (on every exercise where he is not working his back)...
My God man have you ever seen him curl...My back hurts when he curls...lol
If that is what you guys call lifting, I ain't mad...Do your thing...PEACE
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...and whole time he is doing it his back is doing over 50% of the work (on every exercise where he is not working his back)...
My God man have you ever seen him curl...My back hurts when he curls...lol
If that is what you guys call lifting, I ain't mad...Do your thing...PEACE
it's a deadlift. of course he's using a lot of back. have you seen PL'ers deadlift? check out benedikt magnusson or konstantin konstaninovs. ed coan used to say that when doing a sumo pull you don't need to keep your hips nearly as low as people claim.
it drives me NUTS to see pseudo-experts "correcting" high-level lifters. admit it. he's stronger than you and bigger than you and, surprise, he hasn't hurt his back because he's worked it to the point that the muscles there are his strongest.
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it's a deadlift. of course he's using a lot of back. have you seen PL'ers deadlift? check out benedikt magnusson or konstantin konstaninovs. ed coan used to say that when doing a sumo pull you don't need to keep your hips nearly as low as people claim.
it drives me NUTS to see pseudo-experts "correcting" high-level lifters. admit it. he's stronger than you and bigger than you and, surprise, he hasn't hurt his back because he's worked it to the point that the muscles there are his strongest.
What part of "on every exercise where he is not working his back" did you miss on my last post, so obviously I would not be talking about deadlifts...Jesus...Read before you type Brother...
Just bypass the whole bench and curl argument and tell me of course he is using his back when he deadlifts...Good debate...lol
1. I am not an expert and never said I was.
2. You do not know that he is stronger than me.
3. You do not know that he is bigger than me.
4. You have no idea if he has hurt his back or not, you are not an MD and not qualified to make that call.
and last but not least...
5. Speaking of driving you nuts, why don't you get off his nuts...
PEACE
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What part of "on every exercise where he is not working his back" did you miss on my last post, so obviously I would not be talking about deadlifts...Jesus...Read before you type Brother...
Just bypass the whole bench and curl argument and tell me of course he is using his back when he deadlifts...Good debate...lol
1. I am not an expert and never said I was.
2. You do not know that he is stronger than me.
3. You do not know that he is bigger than me.
4. You have no idea if he has hurt his back or not, you are not an MD and not qualified to make that call.
and last but not least...
5. Speaking of driving you nuts, why don't you get off his nuts...
PEACE
Weren't you run off here awhile back when your pic was posted and you turned out to be a bit on the.......uh......"chunky" side?
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Weren't you run off here awhile back when your pic was posted and you turned out to be a bit on the.......uh......"chunky" side?
LOL...
Which time are you referring to:
1. The time when Squadfather posted a pic of some guy with an Animal "Shut Up And Train" tee shirt on (he was a little chunky)...lol
or
2. The time when Pandamonium posted a pic of a guy that came up on bodybuilding.com when he goggled my screen name (he was skinny)...lol
I have been accused of being both but Alas I was neither, but I digress...
They were both very entertaining...Thanks for remembering...
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2. You do not know that he is stronger than me.
3. You do not know that he is bigger than me.
he's got pictures and videos up. until you decide to prove me wrong, i'm going to continue to assume he out and out embarrasses you.
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LOL...
Which time are you referring to:
1. The time when Squadfather posted a pic of some guy with an Animal "Shut Up And Train" tee shirt on (he was a little chunky)...lol
or
2. The time when Pandamonium posted a pic of a guy that came up on bodybuilding.com when he goggled my screen name (he was skinny)...lol
I have been accused of being both but Alas I was neither, but I digress...
They were both very entertaining...Thanks for remembering...
I'd have to agree with Magoo, we are aware of what Wicked can do, you, like some of the mods here handing out advice, haven't proven a thing about what you are capable of, or why your ideas are any better than anyone else's.
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he's got pictures and videos up. until you decide to prove me wrong, i'm going to continue to assume he out and out embarrasses you.
You can assume away baby (all the videos prove is, um what is it, yeah my point, watch the one where he is curling 90's...Frigin hilarious)...
OH...BTW...The only person you are embarrassing is yourself by swingin' from his nuts every post...
I am not narcissistic and have nothing to prove and that is why I have been on here for 4 years and no pic...PEACE
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I'd have to agree with Magoo, we are aware of what Wicked can do, you, like some of the mods here handing out advice, haven't proven a thing about what you are capable of, or why your ideas are any better than anyone else's.
I have never, I repeat never, third time (fight club...lol) never given advice on here, only my opinion on the right and wrong ways to lift...Hope this helps...PEACE...
OH...BTW...My ideas (as you call them) are the wheel (which is what 98% of successful lifter and builders use), you are the one who keeps trying to re-invent it...Hope this helps as well...PEACE...
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I have never, I repeat never, third time (fight club...lol) never given advice on here, only my opinion on the right and wrong ways to lift...Hope this helps...PEACE...
OH...BTW...My ideas (as you call them) are the wheel (which is what 98% of successful lifter and builders use), you are the one who keeps trying to re-invent it...Hope this helps as well...PEACE...
Says who? You. Go back through history, every bbing champ had his own style of lifting, every powerlifter has his own way of lifting, every strongman has his own way of training.....so your wheel has a flat.
Maybe you can call Wicked and ask him to hold your Pinto up while you change it.
WAR.
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Says who? You. Go back through history, every bbing champ had his own style of lifting, every powerlifter has his own way of lifting, every strongman has his own way of training.....so your wheel has a flat.
Maybe you can call Wicked and ask him to hold your Pinto up while you change it.
WAR.
Maybe a better question to call and ask him is why 2, not 1, but 2 grown men are MELTING DOWN all over his nuts...lol...PEACE
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Maybe a better question to call and ask him is why 2, not 1, but 2 grown men are MELTING DOWN all over his nuts...lol...PEACE
Yeah, maybe I could call him and ask him why some know-it-all is running his gums but hasn't backed up a word he's said.
WAR
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Yeah, maybe I could call him and ask him why some know-it-all is running his gums but hasn't backed up a word he's said.
WAR
Dude...What are 12???...LOL...
It is called an opinion...Get over it, yourself and his nuts...HAHAHAHA
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Dude...What are 12???...LOL...
It is called an opinion...Get over it, yourself and his nuts...HAHAHAHA
hahahaaa, me? You're the one that keeps talking about another mans nuts.
you must be lonely tonight, maybe you should PM bayGBM.........
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hahahaaa, me? You're the one that keeps talking about another mans nuts.
you must be lonely tonight, maybe you should PM bayGBM.........
...and last but certainly nut least when you have nothing left in your arsenal turn to the gay stuff...
Classic...I do not even know who bayGBM is but apparently you do...Intimately...HAHAHA HA
OWNED
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I have never, I repeat never, third time (fight club...lol) never given advice on here, only my opinion on the right and wrong ways to lift...Hope this helps...PEACE...
OH...BTW...My ideas (as you call them) are the wheel (which is what 98% of successful lifter and builders use), you are the one who keeps trying to re-invent it...Hope this helps as well...PEACE...
correction is a form of advice. if you're going to say a lifter is doing something "wrong", you'd better be able to explain how what you're doing is "right" when he's stronger than you. occasionally there IS a legit reason, but in your case? neh.
i'm trying to re-invent the wheel? wow. that's a new one. explain how i'm doing that. ::)
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...and last but certainly nut least when you have nothing left in your arsenal turn to the gay stuff...
Classic...I do not even know who bayGBM is but apparently you do...Intimately...HAHAHA HA
OWNED
What in my post was wrong? You have entioned Wickeds nuts in several of your posts, you brought them up, not me, look within yourself.
WAR
ps......Magoo is right, you are wrong, deal with it.
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correction is a form of advice. if you're going to say a lifter is doing something "wrong", you'd better be able to explain how what you're doing is "right" when he's stronger than you. occasionally there IS a legit reason, but in your case? neh.
i'm trying to re-invent the wheel? wow. that's a new one. explain how i'm doing that. ::)
I never corrected anybody...Damn...You guys are typical kids who do not read or listen but instead just wait for your turn to talk...What I said was he is strong but his form sucks...Once again an opinion (shared by many of Wicked on here I might ad)...
Listen Bunky...I already explained the concept of the line between cheating and form in a previous post so I am not going to do it again, start at the beginning and read it allllllllllllllllllll over and we can go from there...
If you do not understand the basics of trying to reinvent the wheel then I can do no more for ya...SEE YA...LOL
OH...BTW...Once again, you do not know that he is stronger than me, but keep showing your ignorance I think it is very entertaining...HAHAHAHA
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What in my post was wrong? You have entioned Wickeds nuts in several of your posts, you brought them up, not me, look within yourself.
WAR
ps......Magoo is right, you are wrong, deal with it.
WoW...You switched nuts...Cool...Change is good...HAHAHAHAHA...SEE YA...PEACE
Hey Genius...How can an opinion be wrong???...Only facts can be right or wrong...Hope this helps...LOL
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SUAT needs to follow the advice given by his moniker, methinks.
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SUAT needs to follow the advice given by his moniker, methinks.
...and even when the gay comments do not work try for the cap on the screen name...
God, it is like taking candy from a baby...HAHAHAHA
Let me guess...UM...UM...Your next post will be a big meltdown cloud...lol
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i just don't feel like "debating" you since you're obviously dumb as a bag of hammers. but dude, if you want to prove me wrong that's fine. i got no personal stake in this and if it turns out you're really an advanced lifter i'll 100% apologize to ya for it.
until then, you're just an anonymous troll flaming someone bigger and stronger than you. nature of the internet, ya dig?
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i just don't feel like "debating" you since you're obviously dumb as a bag of hammers. but dude, if you want to prove me wrong that's fine. i got no personal stake in this and if it turns out you're really an advanced lifter i'll 100% apologize to ya for it.
until then, you're just an anonymous troll flaming someone bigger and stronger than you. nature of the internet, ya dig?
Translation = I got nothing left, I lost and 'am admitting defeat...PEACE...Troll since 2004...Damn, do you guys ever stop...Once again CLASSSIC...PEACE...
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i just don't feel like "debating" you since you're obviously dumb as a bag of hammers. but dude, if you want to prove me wrong that's fine. i got no personal stake in this and if it turns out you're really an advanced lifter i'll 100% apologize to ya for it.
until then, you're just an anonymous troll flaming someone bigger and stronger than you. nature of the internet, ya dig?
This guy was destroyed when his pic was posted........he's a fat slob. Pay no attention to him.
Enough is enough, I'm over it.
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Translation = I got nothing left, I lost and 'am admitting defeat...PEACE...Troll since 2004...Damn, do you guys ever stop...Once again CLASSSIC...PEACE...
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see, it baffles me that THIS guy isn't having his posts scrapped from this forum, but so many of mine and chaos's have been.
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mine is 9.5 inches
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mine is 9.5 inches
Flacid?
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Flacid?
lake placid. 1980