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Title: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: MikeThaMachine on June 07, 2008, 12:07:25 AM
Some say he had weak competition and he never even broke top 6 at the Mr. O.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: calmus on June 07, 2008, 12:09:36 AM
He has a legacy.  I thought all he got for bb was a colostomy.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: MikeThaMachine on June 07, 2008, 12:19:27 AM
He has a legacy.  I thought all he got for bb was a colostomy.
                 I'm using the term legacy loosely
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: England_1 on June 07, 2008, 12:25:29 AM
He beat Flex Wheeler head to head and won the 1995 Arnold Classic.

How many other BBs can say that?  ;)
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: MikeThaMachine on June 07, 2008, 12:29:44 AM
He beat Flex Wheeler head to head and won the 1995 Arnold Classic.

How many other BBs can say that?  ;)
                     

I think Flex was way overrated and he looked bad in 95 anyway, probably worst year except when he competed ?natural? in 2003.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on June 07, 2008, 03:50:57 AM
Flex was no way near his best in 1995, he was completly off because he just had a car accident a year earlier.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: MikeThaMachine on June 07, 2008, 03:56:00 AM
Flex was no way near his best in 1995, he was completly off because he just had a car accident a year earlier.



Car accidents, ninjas attacks, kidneys blow out, no width or thickness, he just has bad luck I guess ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: lvtolft on June 07, 2008, 04:22:10 AM
Michael was not overrated.  He was good.  He could have won the Olympia had he not had his medical problems.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: JasonH on June 07, 2008, 05:03:49 AM
Francois was excellent but I wouldn't go as far to say he was a potential Mr Olympia.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Mars on June 07, 2008, 05:23:36 AM
Francois was excellent but I wouldn't go as far to say he was a potential Mr Olympia.

if jay cutler can ::)
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: bodybuilder1234 on June 07, 2008, 06:01:08 AM


Car accidents, ninjas attacks, kidneys blow out, no width or thickness, he just has bad luck I guess ::) ::) ::)

his car accident was real, there was no way of returning to prime form because there wasn't enough time to recover. It was amazing he got 2nd in the Arnold in the first place
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: bigmikecox on June 07, 2008, 06:01:17 AM
I don't think he had an Olympia winning [hysique but he may have been able to crack the top 6.  Mike was HUGE at his peak
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2008, 06:38:52 AM
I don't think he had an Olympia winning [hysique but he may have been able to crack the top 6.  Mike was HUGE at his peak

By 1997, Mike had come into his own, his back was wider than probably Dorian and Jay today, and he had better detail, he was like what Newman was suppose to be.

his car accident was real, there was no way of returning to prime form because there wasn't enough time to recover. It was amazing he got 2nd in the Arnold in the first place


I agree, he was good enough to just barely win the Ironman, barely edging Aaron Baker. He placed second, as mere shadow of his 1993 form, and even then, it was a toss up.  Lee Haney said he had Flexwinning, he said mike was "too Blocky"
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Brutal_1 on June 07, 2008, 06:55:04 AM
if jay cutler can ::)



good point...

Mike's upper abs were always smooth...especially in front double bicep or lat spread poses


(cue some numbnut who posts one pic where Mike's upper abs look good and asks me, "what the hell are you talking about")


numbnut....
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2008, 07:11:43 AM


good point...

Mike's upper abs were always smooth...especially in front double bicep or lat spread poses


(cue some numbnut who posts one pic where Mike's upper abs look good and asks me, "what the hell are you talking about")


numbnut....

On the BFTO 1997, he was looking off the meter....
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 07, 2008, 07:14:56 AM
By 1997, Mike had come into his own, his back was wider than probably Dorian and Jay today, and he had better detail, he was like what Newman was suppose to be.
 

I agree, he was good enough to just barely win the Ironman, barely edging Aaron Baker. He placed second, as mere shadow of his 1993 form, and even then, it was a toss up.  Lee Haney said he had Flexwinning, he said mike was "too Blocky"

Actually I think Haney said Francios was just ' too lumpy '
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Brutal_1 on June 07, 2008, 07:17:23 AM
On the BFTO 1997, he was looking off the meter....


yeah, I was always a fan of his physique....too bad health has to get in the way
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2008, 07:18:00 AM
Actually I think Haney said Francios was just ' too lumpy '

Could be, it was in Flex Magazine's coverage of the 1995 Arnold, should be their May issue. I think they always run their Arnold issue in May.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 07, 2008, 07:24:07 AM
Could be, it was in Flex Magazine's coverage of the 1995 Arnold, should be their May issue. I think they always run their Arnold issue in May.

yeah I have that magazine , Lee Labrada's last pro contest he retired .
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: JasonH on June 07, 2008, 09:13:40 AM
if jay cutler can ::)

Nonsense - Francois was around in the mid-nineties and no matter ho wgood he would have got he would never have beat Dorian. Then Ronnie came along and he wouldn't have had a hope in hell of beating him either. So when do you think Francois would have won the Olympia?

At least Cutler has always been vying for the top places whenever he entered the Olympia - Francois never came close, even at his best.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: 20inch calves on June 07, 2008, 09:21:19 AM
Michael was not overrated.  He was good.  He could have won the Olympia had he not had his medical problems.


i agree. he was a freak. nobody knows how far he could have gone had he not got sick.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: m8 on June 07, 2008, 09:22:59 AM
Mike was very good, but the competition was much too important in those days (DORIAN)
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Parker on June 07, 2008, 09:24:41 AM
yeah I have that magazine , Lee Labrada's last pro contest he retired .

Flex's lower back, glutes and hams were not dry. Francois was drier from the back...
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Stavios on June 07, 2008, 09:34:27 AM
yeah I have that magazine , Lee Labrada's last pro contest he retired .

Munzer is one of the few bodybuilder who looks 10 times better when standing next to someone

alone he doesn't look like a top pro
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Meso_z on June 07, 2008, 12:39:30 PM
Wasn't 1995 the year Munzer died?

Anyway, Mike Francois and Dennis Newman (both competed at the same era) would have done great in the pro ranks....wtf most of the guys of that era stopped competing due to medical problems.  :-\
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: njflex on June 07, 2008, 08:27:56 PM
francois was thick,conditioned,good enough shape,a earlier version of what cutler has done.same type ,lift big,eat,diet,hit the right combo's of cycles and win show's.he never fufilled olympia legacy him and yates top 2 would have been interesting?
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: bigbobs on June 07, 2008, 09:03:01 PM
Giving Nasser 2nd to Francois at the 94 NOC was a total gift to Francois.

At least Nasser fairly destroyed him at the next year's Olympia.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: MikeThaMachine on June 08, 2008, 03:42:41 AM
No one questions his work ethics or total dedication to being the best (much like Cutler), but do you really think he had the genetics. He def has much better shape and overall aesthetics then Cutler but could he hold the size like Cutler has?
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: johnnytosh on June 09, 2008, 03:02:36 AM
Michael was not overrated.  He was good.  He could have won the Olympia had he not had his medical problems.

Highly doubtful.  He was very good & fairly young, but he could not stand
shoulder to shoulder with the big boys.
     Yes, he won the 1994 N.O.C., and 3 more shows in 1995,  but just like the rest, come Olympia time, he got destroyed.  Francois's Olympia History- 1995-7th, 1996-10th, 1997-11th.
     Just like Branch Warren..2nd place in the Arnold-9th place at the Olympia.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: just_a_pilgrim on June 09, 2008, 03:46:36 AM
Giving Nasser 2nd to Francois at the 94 NOC was a total gift to Francois.

At least Nasser fairly destroyed him at the next year's Olympia.

This is true Nasser destroyed Francois at this show.

Even the FLEX magazine writer spent most of the report saying how the results were rubbish and it was Nasser 1st and Alq Gurley 2nd. You look at the pics Nasser was bigger, harder and had better shape. WTF?
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: slaveboy1980 on June 09, 2008, 05:42:09 AM
Some say he had weak competition and he never even broke top 6 at the Mr. O.

better than post 93 yates.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Arkadius on June 09, 2008, 05:53:21 AM
Yates looks fuking awesome here :o
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 09, 2008, 07:03:26 AM
Highly doubtful.  He was very good & fairly young, but he could not stand
shoulder to shoulder with the big boys.
     Yes, he won the 1994 N.O.C., and 3 more shows in 1995,  but just like the rest, come Olympia time, he got destroyed.  Francois's Olympia History- 1995-7th, 1996-10th, 1997-11th.
     Just like Branch Warren..2nd place in the Arnold-9th place at the Olympia.

So Francois coudn't stand with the big boys........Can you tell me Ronnie Coleman's Olympia history in those same years (1995,96 and 97)???


Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Lurker79 on June 09, 2008, 07:16:50 AM
Yates looks fuking awesome here :o

Lol @ Fux, the granddaddy of the GH gut.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: johnnytosh on June 09, 2008, 07:55:05 AM
So Francois coudn't stand with the big boys........Can you tell me Ronnie Coleman's Olympia history in those same years (1995,96 and 97)???


Thank you very much.

What in the World does Ronnie Coleman's placings have to do with Mike Francois? ???
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: Fortress on June 09, 2008, 08:46:32 AM
Mike is a fantasic guy and was a monumentally powerful and impressive bodybuilder. I had the pleasure to interview the man several times over the years (and hang with him, as well).

He was certainly one of bodybuilding's strongest athletes: he'd routinely lift at Westside Barbell in Ohio at one point in his physique career to further his mass. Box squats with poundage in excess of 700 pounds have been discussed by that gym's Louie Simmons. But one look by knowledeable eyes told the tale. Mike was built through heavy, basic and intense training. His legs were incredibly thick, of note in the lower quads. His back and chest were dense and awesone, too.

He was always a gentleman towards me and, in a weird way, maybe his health issues helped, in the long term, preserve his health.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 09, 2008, 03:27:22 PM
What in the World does Ronnie Coleman's placings have to do with Mike Francois? ???

if you answer my question you'll see that Ronnie coudn't "stand" with the big boys either(95,96,97)....

yet Ronnie was lucky enough to keep his health and stay on the game the following years.
Title: Re: Is Michael Francois' Legacy Overrated
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on June 09, 2008, 03:32:22 PM
Yates looks fuking awesome here :o

Thats 1997 to boot