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On Monday, two Muslim women at Barack Obama's rally in Detroit, MI were not allowed by campaign volunteers to sit behind the podium.
Both rejections were made in separate instances and by different volunteers.
The staff on hand were trying to prevent the women's headscarves from appearing on television or in photographs with Obama.
Michigan has one of the largest Muslim and Arab populations in the United States, so this is clearly not sitting well with many Muslim supporters.
Obama has even vigorously denied rumors that he is Muslim, though occasionally adds that he means no disrespect to Islam. But the denials seem to some to be implying that there is something wrong with the Muslim faith.
Hebba Aref, a lawyer who lives near Detroit was denied a seat and says, "I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to. The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters."
A volunteer asked three of Aref's friends if they would like to sit behind the stage. The men stated they would, but mentioned they were at the rally with some friends.
The volunteer, an African American woman in her mid-20s, asked if their friends looked and were dressed like the men, who were all light skinned and wearing suits. One of the men mentioned that their friend (Aref) was wearing a headscarf with her suit.
That's when Aref's friend says that the volunteer, "explained to me that because of the political climate and what's going on in the world and what's going on with Muslim Americans, it's not good for [Aref] to be seen on TV or associated with Obama."
As for the second incident, that occurred while waiting in line, two of Shimaa Abdelfadeel's non-Muslim friends were ahead of her. A volunteer approached them and asked if they wanted to be seated in the special section behind Obama. The friends said yes and asked for Shimaa to come along.
That's when the volunteer told them their friend would need to take the headscarf off or stay out of the special section. The friends declined the invite.
When Shimaa confronted the volunteer she was told, "We're not letting anyone with anything on their heads like baseball [caps] or scarves sit behind the stage. It has nothing to do with your religion!"
Although photographs of the event show men with hats seated in the section behind Obama and former VP Al Gore.
Since the incident, the campaign has apologized to the women. However, the two Obama supporters say they feel betrayed by their treatment.
Bill Burton, Obama's spokesman, says, "This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run. We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers."
When in doubt, blame someone else.
Though maybe this time it was the volunteers. Photographs from a Seattle rally earlier this year show a couple in Muslim clothing sitting behind Obama.
Next time, better screen your volunteers better.
Obama pro-Hamas?!?!?!
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LMAO
it was wrong to make them move.
But if he hadn't, you would have had FOX playing that same graphic for the next 5 months, no doubt about that!
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Do you think he made them move because he's Shia and they were possibly Sunni? AQ ties?
Obama wears Hamas underwear!!!!
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LMAO
it was wrong to make them move.
But if he hadn't, you would have had FOX playing that same graphic for the next 5 months, no doubt about that!
Or MSNBC running the equivalent of McCain.
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Or MSNBC running the equivalent of McCain.
correct. MSNBC is stronly pro-obama. mccain would be equally wise to avoid standing in front of a group of 80-year olds.
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Sounds made up.
Also if that were true why does he have staffers that are part of the Nation of Islam.
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Sounds made up.
Also if that were true why does he have staffers that are part of the Nation of Islam.
Very interesting! link?
Also to be fair, mccain doesn't have any staffers from any wacked-out religious groups, does he?
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Sounds made up.
Also if that were true why does he have staffers that are part of the Nation of Islam.
Well that would just make him a hypocrite then. :-X
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240 here are a few links to the nation of islam workers
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167)
http://www.irnnews.com/news.asp?action=detail&article=21498 (http://www.irnnews.com/news.asp?action=detail&article=21498)
http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=4798&wf=rsscol (http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=4798&wf=rsscol)
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Now the Nation of Islam workers are on a seperate payroll to avoid media scrutiny
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240 here are a few links to the nation of islam workers
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66167)
http://www.irnnews.com/news.asp?action=detail&article=21498 (http://www.irnnews.com/news.asp?action=detail&article=21498)
http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=4798&wf=rsscol (http://www.catholic.org/prwire/headline.php?ID=4798&wf=rsscol)
I find that disturbing and inexcusable on obama's part. Thanks for posting that. I don't like that one bit.
Likewise, do the obama supporters have any evidence that mccain's staff includes religious nutcases, or has he been smart enough to avoid this conflict of interest?
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Bastards u beat me to it..well I'm posting anyway. Oh yeah this just in...OBAMa IS FULL OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Two Muslim women at Barack Obama’s rally in Detroit on Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women’s headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.
The campaign has apologized to the women, both Obama supporters who said they felt betrayed by their treatment at the rally.
“This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama’s commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. “We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers.”
Building a human backdrop to a political candidate, a set of faces to appear on television and in photographs, is always a delicate exercise in demographics and political correctness. Advance staffers typically pick supporters out of a crowd to reflect the candidate’s message.
When Obama won the North Carolina primary amid questions about his ability to connect with white voters, for instance, he stood in front of a group of middle-aged white women waving small American flags.
On the Republican side, a Hispanic New Hampshire Democrat, Roberto Fuentes, told Politico that he was recently asked, and declined, to contribute to the “diversity” of the crowd behind Sen. John McCain at a Nashua event.
But for Obama, the old-fashioned image-making contrasts with his promise to transcend identity politics and to embrace all elements of America. The incidents in Michigan, which has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations in the country, also highlight an aspect of his campaign that sometimes rubs Muslims the wrong way: The candidate has vigorously denied a false, viral rumor that he himself is Muslim. But the denials at times seem to imply to some that there is something wrong with the faith, though Obama occasionally adds that he means no disrespect to Islam.
“I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to,” said Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer who lives in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Hills. “The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters.”
In Detroit on Monday, the two different Obama volunteers — in separate incidents — made it clear that headscarves wouldn’t be in the picture. The volunteers gave different explanations for excluding the hijabs, one bluntly political and the other less clear.
In Aref’s case, there was no ambiguity.
That incident began when the volunteer asked Aref’s friend Ali Koussan and two others, Aref’s brother Sharif and another young lawyer, Brandon Edward Miller, whether they would like to sit behind the stage. The three young men said they would but mentioned they were with friends.
The men said the volunteer, a 20-something African-American woman in a green shirt, asked if their friends looked and were dressed like the young men, who were all light-skinned and wearing suits.
Miller said yes but mentioned that one of their friends was wearing a headscarf with her suit.
The volunteer “explained to me that because of the political climate and what’s going on in the world and what’s going on with Muslim Americans, it’s not good for [Aref] to be seen on TV or associated with Obama,” said Koussan, a law student at Wayne State University.
Both Koussan and Miller said they specifically recalled the volunteer citing the “political climate” in telling them they couldn’t sit behind Obama.
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The question now is, what does Obama plan to do about this so called "climate" if he is elected president?
The volunteer “explained to me that because of the political climate and what’s going on in the world and what’s going on with Muslim Americans, it’s not good for [Aref] to be seen on TV or associated with Obama,” said Koussan, a law student at Wayne State University.
Is he hiding something?
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Full of shit...full of shit ol' Barry is full of shit.
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Guys, he's trying to shake the muslim stigma that FOX assigns to him daily.
it's just like McCain being wise enough not to sit in front of a large grou of 80-year olds.
FOX would have used that pic DAILY until election day, you know this.
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Obama hates Muslims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OH..blame Fox now...gimme a break. He's fullll of shittttttt!!!! change hope, hope change, change change,hope hope....full full of shit shit
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OH..blame Fox now...gimme a break. He's fullll of shittttttt!!!! change hope, hope change, change change,hope hope....full full of shit shit
yes obama is a phony, i don't think anyone here is denying that.
my point, for the 3rd time, is that his strategy of getting two headresses out of the background is a damn good idea, just like it'd be a damn good idea for mccain to put young people behind him, and not a large group of geriatrics.
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yes obama is a phony, i don't think anyone here is denying that.
my point, for the 3rd time, is that his strategy of getting two headresses out of the background is a damn good idea, just like it'd be a damn good idea for mccain to put young people behind him, and not a large group of geriatrics.
Young people...ok good scenary...no muslims while preaching all his bullshit. Oh and on Fox some Obama says it now 1-2 Bde's a month on the pull out. Oh and he'll listen to the Iraqi's and he will provide a more stable Iraq as we pull out. They're retarded. Oh my God she's his senior foreign policy advisor...oh god. Where do these people come from.
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Young people...ok good scenary...no muslims while preaching all his bullshit. Oh and on Fox some Obama says it now 1-2 Bde's a month on the pull out. Oh and he'll listen to the Iraqi's and he will provide a more stable Iraq as we pull out. They're retarded. Oh my God she's his senior foreign policy advisor...oh god. Where do these people come from.
most of your beef here has nothing to do with not wanting muslim headwear in his picture.
I understand your points - he is delusional when it comes to how fast he can withdraw. he's pandering to the instant gratification dem voters, sure.
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I know I was posting something when this idiot came on....
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Story coming out that Barack has Hezbollah ties!!!
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Story coming out that Barack has Hezbollah ties!!!
I thought you were joking, but yeah a story is coming out about that.
http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2008/05/17/the-company-he-keeps-barack-hussein-obama-hangs-with-hezbollahs-iranian-agent-imam/ (http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2008/05/17/the-company-he-keeps-barack-hussein-obama-hangs-with-hezbollahs-iranian-agent-imam/)
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I thought you were joking, but yeah a story is coming out about that.
http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2008/05/17/the-company-he-keeps-barack-hussein-obama-hangs-with-hezbollahs-iranian-agent-imam/ (http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2008/05/17/the-company-he-keeps-barack-hussein-obama-hangs-with-hezbollahs-iranian-agent-imam/)
Haha, it actually was a joke. Hezbollah was the first group that popped into my head when I was typing the post. Interesting article.
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This is funny.
Any Fox viewer would agree with what Obama did.
But that's the rub, anything Obama does will savaged by these dullards. Go left your damned, go right your damned.
Obama could adopt every failed Bush policy and he'd still get the hatchet job from these guys b/c he's black and has a D next to his name.
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Dude...he stands for the exact opposite of this yet..what does he do..he does what any other pol would do..and he's not "supposed" to be any other pol...hope and change my ass.
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This is funny.
Any Fox viewer would agree with what Obama did.
But that's the rub, anything Obama does will savaged by these dullards. Go left your damned, go right your damned.
Obama could adopt every failed Bush policy and he'd still get the hatchet job from these guys b/c he's black and has a D next to his name.
I'm voting Team Military Junta!
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Do i get a better uniform if they win :D
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Do i get a better uniform if they win :D
Yes, and access to the finest women America has to offer. The leader is a posthumously resurrected MacArthur.
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Any Fox viewer would agree with what Obama did.
So your next leader should be someone that is swayed by the incompetence of public opinion?
Then that is scary, wonder what he thinks about world opinion?
We should get rid of all our weapons? And open the borders?
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Yes, and access to the finest women America has to offer. The leader is a posthumously resurrected MacArthur.
Leather trench.....black can boot, sam brown belt, and I would like u to wall off the San Fernando valley as recreational spot for the military. Oh and if we could open camps in Alaska for some of the idiots on here.
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So your next leader should be someone that is swayed by the incompetence of public opinion?
Then that is scary, wonder what he thinks about world opinion?
We should get rid of all our weapons? And open the borders?
No, my point is is that the Fox viewer segment of our society wants Obama to crash and burn no matter what he does.
I think any reasonable person should take into account public opinion (we do live in a democratic republic) and world opinion.
Only fools like Bush and his cohorts ignore the will of the People and worldwide opinion.
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If it were up to the Fox viewership or how u are portraying them...then Obama would get crushed in a landslide. It would be the same if all MSNBC voters voted straight Obama.....million so people watch these networks, that won't vote in Nov.
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If it were up to the Fox viewership or how u are portraying them...then Obama would get crushed in a landslide. It would be the same if all MSNBC voters voted straight Obama.....million so people watch these networks, that won't vote in Nov.
I don't have cable but I read about MSNBC. I have a hard time believing that MSNBC has the same pronounced bias that Fox News does.
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I don't have cable but I read about MSNBC. I have a hard time believing that MSNBC has the same pronounced bias that Fox News does.
They're equal. Absolutely equal.
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I don't have cable but I read about MSNBC. I have a hard time believing that MSNBC has the same pronounced bias that Fox News does.
Ur fucking kidding me right....do u watch that Douchbag Obermann...he is a true douchebag...there is nobody on any other network like him. I disagree with Mathews but he's a decent guy.
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LMAO
it was wrong to make them move.
But if he hadn't, you would have had FOX playing that same graphic for the next 5 months, no doubt about that!
bingo..and if i were those 2 women i woulda just let it go...its not that big a deal..
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Ur fucking kidding me right....do u watch that Douchbag Obermann...he is a true douchebag...there is nobody on any other network like him. I disagree with Mathews but he's a decent guy.
I don't have cable.
Matthews has been suckling at McCain's teat for a decade now: Straight Talk!, Maverick, Independent, Tells it like it is...and on and on incessantly.
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LMAO
it was wrong to make them move.
But if he hadn't, you would have had FOX playing that same graphic for the next 5 months, no doubt about that!
Exactly. It was a lose-lose situation for him.
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Can anyone imagine what this board would be saying if McCain did this? 240 wouldn't stfu for a month.
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Can anyone imagine what this board would be saying if McCain did this? 240 wouldn't stfu for a month.
Exactly.
Where are CQ and Jag at?
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Trying too hard lol
Another reason not to vote for him(besides his socialist policies)
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Can anyone imagine what this board would be saying if McCain did this? 240 wouldn't stfu for a month.
It would go on for at least 3 months
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Exactly.
Where are CQ and Jag at?
I'm here, reduced posting last bit....can't really be bothered anymore...
Since you asked - McCain himself is on record as using a racial slur already, expressing hatred for a ethnic group so there's no doubt there - it gets no press, and when i've mentioned it everyone defends him. That seems fine for him to do, but people are desperate to find anything on Obama. Apart from the fact I have not read that Obama himself did this which is the key factor, it would have been a media firestorm. Everything, including outright lies, have been done to paint Obama a muslim, this would have been headline news.
So, whatever really.....let everyone bicker...
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I'm here, reduced posting last bit....can't really be bothered anymore...
Since you asked - McCain himself is on record as using a racial slur already, expressing hatred for a ethnic group so there's no doubt there - it gets no press, and when i've mentioned it everyone defends him. That seems fine for him to do, but people are desperate to find anything on Obama. Apart from the fact I have not read that Obama himself did this which is the key factor, it would have been a media firestorm. Everything, including outright lies, have been done to paint Obama a muslim, this would have been headline news.
So, whatever really.....let everyone bicker...
Obama's detractors prattle on about trivia like a bunch of old bitties. It's funny and sad.
What should be alarming is his very real capitulation to the Israeli lobby.
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The worst part is, Senator Straight Talk could make a principled stand and say, "Cut out all the Mulsim, Terrorist, unamerican talk about Obama right now..." but a man hiring Karl Rove as an advisor probably would not do that.
...And deprive Rove of his best material.
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The worst part is, Senator Straight Talk could make a principled stand and say, "Cut out all the Mulsim, Terrorist, unamerican talk about Obama right now..." but a man hiring Karl Rove as an advisor probably would not do that.
...And deprive Rove of his best material.
Ahh, so you're condoning Obama's brigade showing prejudice towards Muslim women? I see. Interesting thought process.
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Ahh, so you're condoning Obama's brigade showing prejudice towards Muslim women? I see. Interesting thought process.
Ahh, where did you pull that conclusion from?
Which thought process are you talking about? My grasp of: The impossiblity of any democrat appeasing the propaganda driven buffoons routinely comprising the 49% of the population that vote republican or the fact that sometimes people can do dumb things?
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Ahh, where did you pull that conclusion from?
Which thought process are you talking about? My grasp of: The impossiblity of any democrat appeasing the propaganda driven buffoons routinely comprising the 49% of the population that vote republican or the fact that sometimes people can do dumb things?
So you're saying it's ok to discriminate against Muslims because he wants to appeal to a certain type of person? Wow, what's to say he's not full of shit on everything else? Just kind of goes to show that everything Obama does is to win the Presidency and nothing more.
Keep in mind that I think McCain sucks even worse. But you're just a hypocritical douche. :D
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Since you asked - McCain himself is on record as using a racial slur already, expressing hatred for a ethnic group so there's no doubt there - it gets no press, and when i've mentioned it everyone defends him. That seems fine for him to do, but people are desperate to find anything on Obama.
So it's ok as long as the other one did it first?
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LMAO
it was wrong to make them move.
But if he hadn't, you would have had FOX playing that same graphic for the next 5 months, no doubt about that!
People that watch Fox News wouldn't vote for him in the first place, so why should he go out of his way to please them?
Kinda shows a serious flaw of character to me. I didn't buy the whole racist church thing, but seeing this guy's erratic character makes me wonder.
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So it's ok as long as the other one did it first?
Well I guess that is maybe how you view it as I never said that, nor anything close :)
No comparison IMO. McCain stated he will hate a ethnic group till he dies, words from his very mouth which despite requests he refused to apologise for years. Obama himself did not do this, some volunteers did, which apart from the fact that media reported it that way, common sense says the candidate himself is not out at the front of rallies acting as an usher.
Nevertheless, within 24 hours after this, Obama issued an apology for the volunteers actions by calling both women personally.
Quote from one lady: "Senator Obama has called us each to personally convey his deepest apologies and acknowledge that this was inexcusable. We both immensely appreciate the Senator’s phone call and his commitment to remedy this issue. We commend him for displaying qualities befitting an effective President". Link (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/obama-calls-muslim-women-barred-from-stage/)
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So you're saying it's ok to discriminate against Muslims because he wants to appeal to a certain type of person? Wow, what's to say he's not full of shit on everything else? Just kind of goes to show that everything Obama does is to win the Presidency and nothing more.
Instead of paraphrasing what you think I am saying, why don't you just read my responses. Obama didn't pull those women, his staff did--if this indeed ever happened at all b/c so much crap has been made up about him and his campaign--and I called it a mistake.
Keep in mind that I think McCain sucks even worse. But you're just a hypocritical douche. :D
The more responses I read from you, the more I think you are some 14 year old dumbass with the reading comprehension and analytical skills of someone with Down's Syndrome.