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More facts..not fluff.
1. Barack Obama’s foreign policy is dangerous, naïve, and betrays a profound misreading of history. For at least the past five years, Democrats and liberals have said our standing in the international community has suffered from a “cowboy” or “go-it-alone” foreign policy. While politicians with favorable views of our president have been elected in Germany, Italy, France, and elsewhere, Barack Obama is giving cause to make our allies even more nervous. This past Sunday’s Washington Post reported, “European officials are increasingly concerned that Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign pledge to begin direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program without preconditions could potentially rupture U.S. relations with key European allies early in a potential Obama administration.”
Barack Obama’s stance toward Iran is as troubling as it is dangerous. By stating and maintaining that he would negotiate with Iran, “without preconditions,” and within his first year of office, he will give credibility to, and reward for his intransigence, the head of state of the world’s chief sponsor of terrorism. Such a meeting will also undermine and send the exact wrong signal to Iranian dissidents. And, he will lower the prestige of the office of the president: In his own words he stated, “If we think that meeting with the president is a privilege that has to be earned, I think that reinforces the sense that we stand above the rest of the world at this point in time.” Not only has his stance toward Iran caused concern among our allies in Europe, U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton called it, “Irresponsible and frankly naïve.”
Barack Obama’s position on negotiating with U.S. enemies betrays a profound misreading of history. In justifying his position that he would meet with Iran without precondition and in his first year of office, Barack Obama has said, “That is what Kennedy did with Khrushchev; that’s what Nixon did with Mao; what Reagan did with Gorbachev.”
In reverse order, Ronald Reagan met with no Soviet leader during the entirety of his first term in office, not (ever) with Brezhnev, not (ever) with Andropov, not (ever) with Chernenko. He met only with Gorbachev, and after he was assured Gorbachev was a different kind of Soviet leader — and after Perestroika, not before.
If Barack Obama wants to affiliate with Richard Nixon, that’s certainly his call. But one question: Was Taiwan’s expulsion from the U.N. worth “Nixon to China”? That was the price of that meeting.
As for the Kennedy-Khrushchev summit of 1961, Kennedy himself said “He beat the hell out of me.” As two experts recently wrote in the New York Times: “Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was ‘just a disaster.’ Khrushchev’s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed ‘very inexperienced, even immature.’ Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was ‘too intelligent and too weak.’ The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.”
So successful was the summit that the Berlin Wall was erected later that year and the Cuban Missile Crisis, with Soviets deploying nuclear missiles in Cuba, commenced the following year.
2. Barack Obama’s Iraq policy will hand al-Qaeda a victory and undercut our entire position in the Middle East, while at the same time put a huge source of oil in the hands of terrorists. Barack Obama brags on his website that “In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.” His website further states that “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months.” This, at the very time our greatest successes in Iraq have taken place. And yet, as Gen. David Petraeus has stated (along with other military experts from Michael O’Hanlon at the Brookings Institution to members of the U.S. military), our progress in Iraq is “fragile and reversible.”
Obama’s post-invasion analysis of Iraq is anything but credible or consistent, leading one to even greater doubt about his strategy as commander-in-chief. When President Bush announced the surge strategy in January 2007, Barack Obama opposed it, saying it “would not prove to be one that changes the dynamics significantly,” and that “the President’s strategy will not work.” Of course, the surge is one of the greatest achievements in Iraq since the initial months of the invasion, and is has reversed much of the loss suffered since the invasion.
Beyond these miscalculations and poor judgment on Iraq strategy, Obama has been anything but consistent on Iraq. For example, the same year (2007) he stated it would be a good idea to bring home the U.S. troops from Iraq within March of 2008, three months later he stated, we should bring them home “immediately…. Not in six months or one year — now.”
3. Barack Obama has sent mixed, confusing, and inconsistent messages on his policy toward Israel. Earlier this month, Barack Obama told an audience at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” The next day, Obama backtracked, stating: “Obviously, it’s [Jerusalem] going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues…And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations.” Later, Obama’s Middle East adviser tried to explain the flipping of positions on Jerusalem by stating Obama did not understand what he was saying to AIPAC: “[h]e used a word to represent what he did not want to see again, and then realized afterwards that that word is a code word in the Middle East.”
Such quick switches of policy may stem from mere inexperience or they may stem from a general tone-deafness on the meaning of words and policy when it comes to the Middle East. After all, earlier this year, a leading Hamas official endorsed Barack Obama stating, “I do believe [Obama] is like John Kennedy, a great man with a great principle. And he has a vision to change America to make it in a position to lead the world community, but not with humiliation and arrogance.” Rather than immediately renouncing such an endorsement, Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, embraced the endorsement, saying “We all agree that John Kennedy was a great president, and it’s flattering when anybody says that Barack Obama would follow in his footsteps.” Given Barack Obama’s long-standing ties to Palestinian activists in the U.S., one has good cause to wonder.
4. While his Mideast policy may have been the quickest turnaround or flip-flop on a major issue, it is not the only one. In the primary campaign, Barack Obama consistently campaigned against NAFTA, but has now changed his tune, as he has with other issues. During the primary, Obama sent out a campaign flier that said “Only Barack Obama consistently opposed NAFTA,” and called it a “bad trade deal.” He also said NAFTA was “devastating,” “a big mistake,” and in what the Washington Post labeled as a unilateral threat to withdraw from NAFTA, Obama said “I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage.”
No longer. Recently, Barack Obama backtracked on NAFTA and said, “I’m not a big believer in doing things unilaterally.” “I’m a big believer in opening up a dialogue and figuring out how we can make this work for all people.” He explained his primary campaign opposition this way: “Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified.”
This is of a piece with his further change of position on public campaign financing. As a primary candidate, he touted his support for the public financing of presidential campaigns, but then witnessing his own fundraising prowess, as a general election candidate he has gone the unique route of forswearing the system. As David Brooks put it in the New York Times:
Barack Obama has worked on political reform more than any other issue. He aspires to be to political reform what Bono is to fighting disease in Africa. He’s spent much of his career talking about how much he believes in public financing. In January 2007, he told Larry King that the public-financing system works. In February 2007, he challenged Republicans to limit their spending and vowed to do so along with them if he were the nominee. In February 2008, he said he would aggressively pursue spending limits. He answered a Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire by reminding everyone that he has been a longtime advocate of the public-financing system. But Thursday, at the first breath of political inconvenience, Fast Eddie Obama threw public financing under the truck.
5. Barack Obama’s judgment about personal and professional affiliations is more than troubling. On March 18, after several clips of sermons by his longtime friend and pastor Jeremiah Wright surfaced (showing Wright condemning the United States with vitriolic comparisons and denunciations), Obama defended his friend stating: “I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother.” After Rev. Wright delivered two more talks along the same lines as the clips that led to the March 18 speech, Sen. Obama finally denounced Wright the following month, stating: “His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church.” “They certainly don’t portray accurately my values and beliefs,” he said.
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You are obsessed with the man! That much is clear...
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It strained credulity to believe Obama was unaware of Wright’s previous rants — especially after a 20-year membership in Wright’s church, especially when in February of last year Obama asked Wright not to attend his campaign announcement because he “could get kind of rough in sermons,” and especially when his church’s magazine honored on its front cover such a man as Louis Farrakhan. Nonetheless, once he ceased being a political asset and turned into a political liability, Obama dumped him.
Jeremiah Wright is, of course, not the only person close to Barack Obama who holds vitriolic anti-American views. Bill Ayers was a founding member of the Weather Underground. According to his own memoir, Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. As recently as 2001, Ayers said “I don’t regret setting bombs….I feel we didn’t do enough.’’ When asked if he would engage in such terrorism again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.” When confronted with his friendship with Bill Ayers, Barack Obama dismissed the negative connections saying he is also friendly with abortion opponent U.S. Senator Tom Coburn. While Obama has never, himself, discussed his relationship with Ayers, what we do know is that Ayers hosted a fundraiser for Obama in his home and, according to the Los Angeles Times:
Obama and Ayers moved in some of the same political and social circles in the leafy liberal enclave of Hyde Park, where they lived several blocks apart. In the mid-1990s, when Obama was running for the Illinois Senate, Ayers introduced Obama during a political event at his home, according to Obama’s aides….
Obama and Ayers met a dozen times as members of the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, a local grant-making foundation, according to the group’s president. They appeared together to discuss juvenile justice on a 1997 panel sponsored by the University of Chicago, records show. They appeared again in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.
6. Obama is simply out of step with how terrorists should be handled; he would turn back the clock on how we fight terrorism, using the failed strategy of the 1990s as opposed to the post-9/11 strategy that has kept us safe. The most recent example is his support for the Supreme Court decision granting habeas-corpus rights to terrorists, including — theoretically — Osama bin Laden. When the 5-4 Supreme Court decision was delivered, Obama said, “I think the Supreme Court was right.” His campaign advisers held a conference call where they claimed the Supreme Court decision was “no big deal” according to ABC News, even if applied to Osama bin Laden, because a judge would find that the U.S. has “ample grounds to hold him.”
In a recent interview, Obama stated: “What we know is that, in previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated. And the fact that the administration has not tried to do that has created a situation where not only have we never actually put many of these folks on trial, but we have destroyed our credibility when it comes to rule of law all around the world, and given a huge boost to terrorist recruitment in countries that say, ‘Look, this is how the United States treats Muslims.’”
Ask the legal officials during the 1990s just how cowed terrorists were by our continued indictments against them. Or, witness the bombings at the African embassies, the attack on the USS Cole, or the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001. Now, ask yourself why we have not been attacked since 9/11, and, even more specifically, why there have been no successful attacks against American civilian interests abroad since 2004.
7. Barack Obama’s economic policies would hurt the economy. As Kimberly Strassel recently put it in the Wall Street Journal: “Mr. Obama is hawking a tax policy that would take the nation back to the effective marginal tax rates of the Carter days. He wants to further tax income, payroll, capital gains, dividends and death. His philosophy is pure redistribution.”
When Barack Obama speaks of taxing only the wealthy, keep in mind this could have a devastating effect on new small businesses. As Irwin Stelzer has written: “Taxes change behavior. By raising rates on upper income payers, Obama is reducing their incentive to work and take risks. The income tax increase is not all that he has in mind for them. He plans to increase their payroll taxes, the taxes they pay on dividends received and capital gains earned, and on any transfers they might have in mind to their kith and kin when they shuffle off this mortal coil. If the aggregate of these additional taxes substantially diminishes incentives to set up a small business of the sort that has created most of the new jobs in recent decades, the $1,000 tax rebate will be more than offset by the consequences of reduced growth and new business formation.”
8. Barack Obama opposes drilling on and offshore to reduce gas and oil prices. While Barack Obama has opposed off-shore drilling and a gas-tax holiday (as supported by John McCain or Hillary Clinton), his solution to our energy crisis does include additional tax burdens on oil company profits, taxes we can only imagine will be passed on to the consumer, thus causing an even more expensive trip to the gas station. As the New York Times recently detailed, ethanol subsidies are a major plank in Barack Obama’s view of energy independence and national security; the “Obama Camp is Closely Linked with Ethanol,” and “Mr. Obama…favors [ethanol] subsidies, some of which end up in the hands of the same oil companies he says should be subjected to a windfall profits tax.”
9. Barack Obama is to the left of Hillary Clinton and NARAL on the issue of life. As a state senator in Illinois, Barack Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, a law that would have protected babies if they survived an attempted abortion and were delivered alive. When a similar bill was proposed in the United States Senate, it passed unanimously and even the National Abortion Rights Action League issued a statement saying they did not oppose the law.
10. Barack Obama is actually to the left of every member of the U.S. Senate. According to the National Journal, “Sen. Barack Obama…was the most liberal senator in 2007.” As the magazine reported: “The ratings system — devised in 1981 under the direction of William Schneider, a political analyst and commentator, and a contributing editor to National Journal — also assigns ‘composite’ scores, an average of the members’ issue-based scores. In 2007, Obama’s composite liberal score of 95.5 was the highest in the Senate. Rounding out the top five most liberal senators last year were Sens. Sheldon Whitehouse (D., R.I.), with a composite liberal score of 94.3; Joseph Biden (D., Del.), with a 94.2; Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.), with a 93.7; and Robert Menendez (D., N.J.), with a 92.8.”
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If we weren't at war, having economic troubles..and this idiot wasn't running for president...i could care less. If Hil had won, I wouldn't post near the crap. This guy is a major major danger to this country.
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Why should we care about the opinion of a hypocrite, racist, gambling addict?
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If we weren't at war, having economic troubles..and this idiot wasn't running for president...i could care less. If Hil had won, I wouldn't post near the crap. This guy is a major major danger to this country.
As much as a danger as George Bush and Dickhead Cheney?
How you can even suggest that, is beyond me. You are putting us on, right?
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If we weren't at war, having economic troubles..and this idiot wasn't running for president...i could care less. If Hil had won, I wouldn't post near the crap. This guy is a major major danger to this country.
That's a mouth full......
If we weren't at war....
If we weren't having economic problems......
That's the whole point.
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As much as a danger as George Bush and Dickhead Cheney?
How you can even suggest that, is beyond me. You are putting us on, right?
really - you think the guy who said this might be joking or maybe he's just a joke?
The libs aren't fit to breath let alone run anything. They tried...it was called Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.....it failed.
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really - you think the guy who said this might be joking or maybe he's just a joke?
That's the programming he gets in the boys club.
Liberals are commies.
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Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was too intelligent and too weak. The Soviet leader left Vienna elated and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.
LOL.... Remember when Bush claimed to have looked into Putin's eyes and seen his soul, and seen that he was a 'good man'?
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Why should we care about the opinion of a hypocrite, racist, gambling addict?
just to clarify - I'm referring to Bill Bennett who is the author of the text that HH posted
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MzQ4YTY4YjQyMzRjYjA5MGZlNDBiZTkwYmEyODg5NTc=
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Honestly HH6 is becoming almost robotic in his responses and now he denies that we went into Iraq for oil. Bizarre.
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Honestly HH6 is becoming almost robotic in his responses and now he denies that we went into Iraq for oil. Bizarre.
He's different. he sounds like John Candy on peace core. But opposite.
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Wow...I guess u idiots are too busy jerking yourselves off to answer, with and substance or fact, the charges made against Obama. This is the problem, u guys have nothing to throw up as why Obama should be president, or why he's wrong. except snide remarks and attacks against the author. Ur behaving just like the whiny Obama campaign. The guy isn't fit to tie my shoes, yet u defend him. He's done nothing.
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Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was ‘too intelligent and too weak.’ The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.”
(http://www.thesmokehammer.com/images/bush_head2.jpg)
(http://www.panchjanya.com/8-10-2000/putin11.jpg)
Putin says: George W? WTF?
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u guys have nothing to throw up as why Obama should be president,
McCain can't be President if Obama is elected. 8)
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Wow...I guess u idiots are too busy jerking yourselves off to answer, with and substance or fact, the charges made against Obama. This is the problem, u guys have nothing to throw up as why Obama should be president, or why he's wrong. except snide remarks and attacks against the author. Ur behaving just like the whiny Obama campaign. The guy isn't fit to tie my shoes, yet u defend him. He's done nothing.
again - why should we care about the opinion a racist and a hypocrite?
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Wow...I guess u idiots are too busy jerking yourselves off to answer, with and substance or fact, the charges made against Obama. This is the problem, u guys have nothing to throw up as why Obama should be president, or why he's wrong. except snide remarks and attacks against the author. Ur behaving just like the whiny Obama campaign. The guy isn't fit to tie my shoes, yet u defend him. He's done nothing.
And why is McCain great, huh?
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Bush is going..get over it. We're talking about the next guy. Hey RP fan are u a true conservative, like RP tries to be. No true Con would be supporting Obama, so either ur misguided or just jumping on some RP bandwagon, which u might have noticed, crashed.
Why is McCain great...I'm not arguing McCain is great. I'm asking why support Obama. Again u guys can't show me anything. Again ur attacking the author. Again u have nothing.....
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Bush is going..get over it. We're talking about the next guy. Hey RP fan are u a true conservative, like RP tries to be. No true Con would be supporting Obama, so either ur misguided or just jumping on some RP bandwagon, which u might have noticed, crashed.
Why is McCain great...I'm not arguing McCain is great. I'm asking why support Obama. Again u guys can't show me anything. Again ur attacking the author. Again u have nothing.....
I wouldn't say I'm supporting him. I think he's an idiot and a socialist. I just honestly believe the United States can't afford another man from the neo con gang. Am I wrong?
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Bush is going..get over it. We're talking about the next guy. Hey RP fan are u a true conservative, like RP tries to be. No true Con would be supporting Obama, so either ur misguided or just jumping on some RP bandwagon, which u might have noticed, crashed.
Why is McCain great...I'm not arguing McCain is great. I'm asking why support Obama. Again u guys can't show me anything. Again ur attacking the author. Again u have nothing.....
simple - I prefer him over McBush
what's so hard to understand?
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McCain isn't a neocon...but u pegged Obama correctly. I wanted Romney. Strawman ur voting Lib/socialist..congrats ::)
I liked many of the things RP wanted. He was not ever going to be able to pull out of Iraq anyway.
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Wow...I guess u idiots are too busy jerking yourselves off to answer, with and substance or fact, the charges made against Obama. This is the problem, u guys have nothing to throw up as why Obama should be president, or why he's wrong. except snide remarks and attacks against the author. Ur behaving just like the whiny Obama campaign. The guy isn't fit to tie my shoes, yet u defend him. He's done nothing.
Most of what is written there is opinion and junk. At some point maybe today or later when i feel like delving into someone else's conclusions, NOT YOURS, i'll point out what i'm talking about.
But in the end, remember it's not about Obama, it's about not electing a Pandering WHore.
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I wouldn't vote at all, but I think I need to do everything I can to prevent the Neo Cons from delivering the final blow to America as we know it.
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Most of what is written there is opinion and junk. At some point maybe today or later when i feel like delving into someone else's conclusions, NOT YOURS, i'll point out what i'm talking about.
But in the end, remember it's not about Obama, it's about not electing a Pandering WHore.
99% of this shit written on here is opinion and junk. Why is it only bad when HH6 does it? ::)
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Most of what is written there is opinion and junk. At some point maybe today or later when i feel like delving into someone else's conclusions, NOT YOURS, i'll point out what i'm talking about.
But in the end, remember it's not about Obama, it's about not electing a Pandering WHore.
LMAO !!
Ozmo = Obama nipple whore
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99% of this shit written on here is opinion and junk. Why is it only bad when HH6 does it? ::)
because he didn't write it.
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And becuase he called it fact not fluff.
But you are right about "most of the stuff written here"
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But you are right about "most of the stuff written here"
Yeah about a bunch of pussies that would rather be killed than kill.
Kinda reminds me of the movie saving private ryan, where the German translator pees his pants when one of his soldiers is getting stabbed to death, then appeases the enemy.
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Kinda reminds me of the movie saving private ryan, where the German translator pees his pants when one of his soldiers is getting stabbed to death, then appeases the enemy.
Yeah i hate that person in the movie.
But what's worse is people who are so stupid that they are easily polarized into thinking things like:
Yeah about a bunch of pussies that would rather be killed than kill.
I mean how stupid of a person can you be to spew out crap like that out of your mouth?
Are you that unintelligent?
Are you that easily manipulated and controlled?
Is it that easy to control your mind?
Are you that easily brainwashed?
I'm sorry, I just don't hang around people whose intellectual level peaks out at "rather be killed than kill."
It reminds of the "stupid inept guard" in movies.
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McCain isn't a neocon...but u pegged Obama correctly. I wanted Romney. Strawman ur voting Lib/socialist..congrats ::)
I liked many of the things RP wanted. He was not ever going to be able to pull out of Iraq anyway.
and you're voting neocon/fascist - congratulations right back at ya!
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because he didn't write it.
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And becuase he called it fact not fluff.
But you are right about "most of the stuff written here"
I think all my stuff is pure gold ;D
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He's different. he sounds like John Candy on peace core. But opposite.
stoned much?
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I have some secret hope that Obama is planning on stopping the MIC but I think I am just deluding myself.
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stoned much?
that's not witty? Or is it too witty to write sober? ;D
You know that movie with Tom Hanks where John Candy disappears and later returns and a brainwashed communist?
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because he didn't write it.
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And becuase he called it fact not fluff.
But you are right about "most of the stuff written here"
I think you should do both. If you see something that looks good, pass it on. but hopefully you occationally have your own opinion to bring too.
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Once more kill or be killed
Thanks for coming out everyone, drive safe and have a good night
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drivel drivel drivel ;D
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I think you should do both. If you see something that looks good, pass it on. but hopefully you occationally have your own opinion to bring too.
I agree. But some of the stuff posted here is complete slanted garbage.
REally, some of it is some of the most propaganda laced crap ever, that's taken from that party's flagship brain washing site..
Take points 1-6 for instance. they are straight crap. They are not factual. They are opinionated views. 7-10 are debatable as to whether they are fact.
All the post of HH6 is more neo-con fear tactic propaganda. Are people really this stupid that they believe this DRIVEL? And NOT see it for whAT IT IS?
I mean FVCK. Can't anyone here get solid sh1t on Obama? I've been posting good sh1t on McCain for days. What's wrong with you people? ;D
With some posters that's all they post as they usually at some point demonstrate they are incapable of formulating an argument that's past teh play ground level.
Or all they do is regurgitate brainwashed mantras that are more fitting for a nazi rally.
This goes both ways, lib and rep.
then there are some posters who combine both. They formulate a good argument and back it up when needed with facts.
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1 BIG CONCERN is that his last name makes me remind myself of Bin Laden's name Osama along with why is OH BEE ELLE only presumed to no longer be a part of whatever the arabs jihad is supposed to be about.
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1 BIG CONCERN is that his last name makes me remind myself of Bin Laden's name Osama along with why is OH BEE ELLE only presumed to no longer be a part of whatever the arabs jihad is supposed to be about.
Yes, good point. Hard to argue with that FACT.
Good thing George Clooney ain't running (rhymes with looney)
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1 BIG CONCERN is that his last name makes me remind myself of Bin Laden's name Osama along with why is OH BEE ELLE only presumed to no longer be a part of whatever the arabs jihad is supposed to be about.
That's a "BIG CONCERN" for you, really? ::)
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HECK YEAH because my opinion about OH BEE ELLE has changed significantly because OSAMA is in my judgement, one of the most devious arabs in their jihadist history who has probably changed the middle eastern meaning of why they refer to other types of religious people as infidels.
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HECK YEAH because my opinion about OH BEE ELLE has changed significantly because OSAMA is in my judgement, one of the most devious arabs in their jihadist history who has probably changed the middle eastern meaning of why they refer to other types of religious people as infidels.
What's cool about Obama is that he's a commy muslim arab. Quite the mix. ;) Cutting edge. ;D
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His Obama name obviously makes him a target of discrimination even though there are a number of labeled liberal looking supporters who gave him the nomination over Mrs.Hillary Clinton.
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I agree. But some of the stuff posted here is complete slanted garbage.
REally, some of it is some of the most propaganda laced crap ever, that's taken from that party's flagship brain washing site..
Take points 1-6 for instance. they are straight crap. They are not factual. They are opinionated views. 7-10 are debatable as to whether they are fact.
All the post of HH6 is more neo-con fear tactic propaganda. Are people really this stupid that they believe this DRIVEL? And NOT see it for whAT IT IS?
I mean FVCK. Can't anyone here get solid sh1t on Obama? I've been posting good sh1t on McCain for days. What's wrong with you people? ;D
With some posters that's all they post as they usually at some point demonstrate they are incapable of formulating an argument that's past teh play ground level.
Or all they do is regurgitate brainwashed mantras that are more fitting for a nazi rally.
This goes both ways, lib and rep.
then there are some posters who combine both. They formulate a good argument and back it up when needed with facts.
Hey again...not a neocon...u must be blind or have zero graqsp of politics/history/foreign affairs. Weve posted thread after thread on Obama..u post that Mccain is old and call him names.....good 3rd grade tactic. U libs see what u want to see...blinded by the Obamessih. U guys cherry pick what u want and then discard the rest. Obama is going for a windfall tax...socialism at its finest. It was also tried by Carter and failed.....those are facts. Not McCain is old. Thats a name idiot, not a factual attack.
In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.” His website further states that “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months;
Thats a fact, Obama said it and now we're winning in Iraq despite the best efforts of the Dems to loose us this war.
Barack Obama has sent mixed, confusing, and inconsistent messages on his policy toward Israel. Earlier this month, Barack Obama told an audience at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” The next day, Obama backtracked, stating: “Obviously, it’s [Jerusalem] going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues…And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations
Thats a fact, Obama said it and then backtracked.....except because some of u have zero grasp of history, and don't understand how important it is to speak clearly and plainly on these issues. Naive bullshit like this causes wars.....please debate the issues rather then calling McCain old...yeah he's old so what. Obama is an idiot..bigger issue.
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I think you should do both. If you see something that looks good, pass it on. but hopefully you occationally have your own opinion to bring too.
I agree.
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I agree. But some of the stuff posted here is complete slanted garbage.
REally, some of it is some of the most propaganda laced crap ever, that's taken from that party's flagship brain washing site..
Take points 1-6 for instance. they are straight crap. They are not factual. They are opinionated views. 7-10 are debatable as to whether they are fact.
All the post of HH6 is more neo-con fear tactic propaganda. Are people really this stupid that they believe this DRIVEL? And NOT see it for whAT IT IS?
I mean FVCK. Can't anyone here get solid sh1t on Obama? I've been posting good sh1t on McCain for days. What's wrong with you people? ;D
With some posters that's all they post as they usually at some point demonstrate they are incapable of formulating an argument that's past teh play ground level.
Or all they do is regurgitate brainwashed mantras that are more fitting for a nazi rally.
This goes both ways, lib and rep.
then there are some posters who combine both. They formulate a good argument and back it up when needed with facts.
Hey again...not a neocon...u must be blind or have zero graqsp of politics/history/foreign affairs. Weve posted thread after thread on Obama..u post that Mccain is old and call him names.....good 3rd grade tactic. U libs see what u want to see...blinded by the Obamessih. U guys cherry pick what u want and then discard the rest. Obama is going for a windfall tax...socialism at its finest. It was also tried by Carter and failed.....those are facts. Not McCain is old. Thats a name idiot, not a factual attack.
In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.” His website further states that “Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months;
Thats a fact, Obama said it and now we're winning in Iraq despite the best efforts of the Dems to loose us this war.
Barack Obama has sent mixed, confusing, and inconsistent messages on his policy toward Israel. Earlier this month, Barack Obama told an audience at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided.” The next day, Obama backtracked, stating: “Obviously, it’s [Jerusalem] going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues…And Jerusalem will be part of the negotiations
Thats a fact, Obama said it and then backtracked.....except because some of u have zero grasp of history, and don't understand how important it is to speak clearly and plainly on these issues. Naive bullshit like this causes wars.....please debate the issues rather then calling McCain old...yeah he's old so what. Obama is an idiot..bigger issue.
Nice HH6, i challenge the "10 reasons" as fluff not fact and you come back with 2. yep 2. that's right 2.
But if you look at many of the posts i've started on McCain they are nearly all linked with credible info. Especially the ones he double talks on.
And speaking of naive BULLSH1T.....how about this one: "Mission accomplished"
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Nope just picked two..so whats ur position....ur stuff usually revolves around name calling nipple crap or whatever. I really don't like McCain but I hate the Libs so what choice is there. Defend ur messiah dude. McCain can do what he wants....he could fuck a duck on national TV..I'd still vote for him over Obama.
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Nope just picked two..so whats ur position....ur stuff usually revolves around name calling nipple crap or whatever. I really don't like McCain but I hate the Libs so what choice is there. Defend ur messiah dude. McCain can do what he wants....he could fuck a duck on national TV..I'd still vote for him over Obama.
You know it's hard to have a complete discussion on a forum becuase it's easy to confuse things that you say with other people with what you say with someone else.
I'm really not too sure who I'll vote for yet. I guess you could say I'm leaning away from McCain. Because of what I've seen about him shows him as a Pandering Whore.
I have a problem with that. I haven't seen Obama play the Pandering Whore yet.
Most of what people say about Obama, including yourself, is fear based or some attempt at passing off opinion as fact. Example: the 1-6 of this post you call fact not fluff. It's nearly all fluff.
What goads me is that you, who I would think would profess to be smart enough to see that, has enamored yourself in pools of like propaganda. It's to the point you can't even see it for what it is. Complete crap.
Even the 2 "facts" you put up. Look at it on context of what you stated in another thread: We'll out by 2011. It would take him 16 months at 2 brigades a month? Which is unlikely that could happen right (logistically)? And then look, if he takes office 2009, it's 2011 in just 24 months.
So BFD. All that fact of yours is, is more fear based crap.
And then the part about Obama sending mixed messages to Israel. So fvcking what? Like BUSH hasn't sent mixed messages over the last 8 years? OH yeah, he shoots first and then sends a mixed messages.
Speaking of Mixed messages...........How about McCain supporting staying in Iraq 100Years and saying when the troops come home isn't important? How about that??????????????????????
What has me worried about Obama? Capital Gains taxes.
You see HH6, somewhere you traded in your common sense for your beliefs that have been influenced by the neo-con propaganda machine. So maybe you are not a neo-con. I believe that. But, as a practical conservative, you have not been using your common sense.
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Justifying Obama's actions by comparing them to Bush couldn't be any more retarded. Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Why in the name of God would anyone think they're justifying a guy by comparing his actions to him. LOL.
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Justifying Obama's actions by comparing them to Bush couldn't be any more retarded. Bush is the worst president this country has ever had. Why in the name of God would anyone think they're justifying a guy by comparing his actions to him. LOL.
I see you point and it makes sense. But if you read on, the issue is about Obama sending mixed messages to the middle east. McCain is doing the same thing with our troops and with the ME.
I compare it, to show it's fear based crap especially when you take BUSH crap and McCain statements into consideration.
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Another concern about Mr.Obama is this one:
I hope he doesn't become 1 out of the one hundred people or 100(black) people that are screwing up America, and that is according to Bernard Goldberg. The black list of 100 does not and I repeat does not have Obama's name included although there are people with household names such as Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Steven ESPN Smith, Jesse Jackson, Michael Eric Dyson, Wesley Snipes, O.J.,Kanye West, 50 Per Cent, M&M, Mike Tyson, Jim Brown, Doggy Snoop poop dog, NBAAllen Iverson, Shakor-321pac, Suge Knight, Donna Brazile, Bill Clinton, etc.
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Another concern about Mr.Obama is this one:
I hope he doesn't become 1 out of the one hundred people or 100(black) people that are screwing up America, and that is according to Bernard Goldberg. The black list of 100 does not and I repeat does not have Obama's name included although there are people with household names such as Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Steven ESPN Smith, Jesse Jackson, Michael Eric Dyson, Wesley Snipes, O.J.,Kanye West, 50 Per Cent, M&M, Mike Tyson, Jim Brown, Doggy Snoop poop dog, NBAAllen Iverson, Shakor-321pac, Suge Knight, Donna Brazile, Bill Clinton, etc.
Wouldn't you hope that about anyone?
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I hope that about no one besides Mr.Obama because maybe he can try and prove that he politically knows how to not act black in America like Clinton did on his own with his minority democrat allies during the 9 0 s.
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If we weren't at war, having economic troubles..and this idiot wasn't running for president...i could care less. If Hil had won, I wouldn't post near the crap. This guy is a major major danger to this country.
Yeah, it really makes a BIG difference as to who is "elected" president.
As long as people are stupid, the Bankers will pull the strings, and people like you will argue worthless bullshit.
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You know it's hard to have a complete discussion on a forum becuase it's easy to confuse things that you say with other people with what you say with someone else.
I'm really not too sure who I'll vote for yet. I guess you could say I'm leaning away from McCain. Because of what I've seen about him shows him as a Pandering Whore.
I have a problem with that. I haven't seen Obama play the Pandering Whore yet.
Most of what people say about Obama, including yourself, is fear based or some attempt at passing off opinion as fact. Example: the 1-6 of this post you call fact not fluff. It's nearly all fluff.
What goads me is that you, who I would think would profess to be smart enough to see that, has enamored yourself in pools of like propaganda. It's to the point you can't even see it for what it is. Complete crap.
Even the 2 "facts" you put up. Look at it on context of what you stated in another thread: We'll out by 2011. It would take him 16 months at 2 brigades a month? Which is unlikely that could happen right (logistically)? And then look, if he takes office 2009, it's 2011 in just 24 months.
So BFD. All that fact of yours is, is more fear based crap.
And then the part about Obama sending mixed messages to Israel. So fvcking what? Like BUSH hasn't sent mixed messages over the last 8 years? OH yeah, he shoots first and then sends a mixed messages.
Speaking of Mixed messages...........How about McCain supporting staying in Iraq 100Years and saying when the troops come home isn't important? How about that??????????????????????
What has me worried about Obama? Capital Gains taxes.
You see HH6, somewhere you traded in your common sense for your beliefs that have been influenced by the neo-con propaganda machine. So maybe you are not a neo-con. I believe that. But, as a practical conservative, you have not been using your common sense.
I didn't say we'd be out I said down to 1 Division. What mixed message has Bush sent. It looks pretty damm consistant to me. Obama's not pandering...um NAFTA, his church, the jewish lobby...yeah he's pandering. U take that post as not having any facts. There are tons of facts and thoughts about Obama....none of which u can dispute with any clearity. Stop attacking me, Bush, the NEOcons and debate the points...unless u can't, which is what I kinda thought the whole time.
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I didn't say we'd be out I said down to 1 Division. What mixed message has Bush sent. It looks pretty damm consistant to me. Obama's not pandering...um NAFTA, his church, the jewish lobby...yeah he's pandering. U take that post as not having any facts. There are tons of facts and thoughts about Obama....none of which u can dispute with any clearity. Stop attacking me, Bush, the NEOcons and debate the points...unless u can't, which is what I kinda thought the whole time.
You billed your post as fact not fluff. It's nearly all fluff. I challenged it and you put up 2 "facts" that are arguably fluff. Where are the "tons" of facts? And then you even say it has "tons" of thoughts. Thoughts are fluff. Get it? And i disputed your 2 facts one, by putting into perspective "mixed" messages, because both BUSH and McCain have done the same which makes that point in separating the 2 candidates MOOT. And chances are IF Iraq srtablizes we will have 20-30k troops there at all times anyway. So now we talking about the difference of 6-12 months based on logistics. Again MOOT point.
If i am attacking you it's because as i said, you are falling for cheesy propaganda like a 5 year old child falls for free candy.
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Wouldn't you hope that about anyone?
U hope Mr.Obama learns from devious publicity seekers such as Jesse Jackson, Reverend "Wrong not Wright", Mike Eric DySin, Donna Brazile, 50 Per Cent, Kanye West-coast, Steven espn Smith, as well as Bill Clinton behaving like the 1st black 90's president.
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You billed your post as fact not fluff. It's nearly all fluff. I challenged it and you put up 2 "facts" that are arguably fluff. Where are the "tons" of facts? And then you even say it has "tons" of thoughts. Thoughts are fluff. Get it? And i disputed your 2 facts one, by putting into perspective "mixed" messages, because both BUSH and McCain have done the same which makes that point in separating the 2 candidates MOOT. And chances are IF Iraq srtablizes we will have 20-30k troops there at all times anyway. So now we talking about the difference of 6-12 months based on logistics. Again MOOT point.
If i am attacking you it's because as i said, you are falling for cheesy propaganda like a 5 year old child falls for free candy.
This is your challenge...what the hell is that...go point by point...u must have been alot of fun in 3rd grade.