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"If an Iranian woman shows too much hair in public, she risks being beaten or killed."--Sarah Palin
We should take a look at what we'll be destroying.
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21845_12.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21846_0011101baran.jpg)
Found a big gallery of images here:
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32
What? I thought they couldn't dress like that... After listening to the neocons, I though we were getting ready for war with Klingons! A lot of lives will be lost, I tend to think talking wouldn't hurt if there's a chance of avoiding conflict.
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Yeah there were plenty of people like that in the World Trade Center. In any event we won't be bombing anybody...
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Yeah there were plenty of people like that in the World Trade Center. In any event we won't be bombing anybody...
OH WHAT THE FUCK YOU RETARTED!!!!! >:( NOW IRAN ATTACKED US ON 9/11... HH6, could you be a bigger neocon assclown >:(
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In any event we won't be bombing anybody...
is that for sure?
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HAAHHHAAAA I knew u'd flip the fuck out...I'm pretty sure we won't attack...Israel might and I honestly don't care what happens to those people. But I'm sure they'll be fine.
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HAAHHHAAAA I knew u'd flip the fuck out...I'm pretty sure we won't attack...Israel might and I honestly don't care what happens to those people. But I'm sure they'll be fine.
HH6, why are you a psycho racist neocon? You're going to be a bitter hateful cus. You're just going to make yourself miserable with all that hate you have built up.
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I'm a racist now...why is that. Because I don't like the the Iranians....maybe its because they're supplying the insurgents in Iraq. I guess that doesn't matter to u. Also I have zero hate dude..u'd like to think I'm a big angry troll..but the truth is..I just don't really give a shit about the bad guys. Those chicks will be fine...so stop worrying.
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Iran needs to pay for what Osama did on 911.
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I'm a racist now...why is that. Because I don't like the the Iranians....maybe its because they're supplying the insurgents in Iraq. I guess that doesn't matter to u. Also I have zero hate dude..u'd like to think I'm a big angry troll..but the truth is..I just don't really give a shit about the bad guys. Those chicks will be fine...so stop worrying.
oh let's not even go there, you've already claimed you are and have the right to be a racist after what you've had to deal with. That's fine, but you gotta let it go man. evil is evil, it's everywhere, not just in Arabs and Persians. It manifests in all sorts of different ways, there's good too. Sometimes it worse, sometimes it's better but it's always a constant and contrary to popular opinion, evil doesn't hang out in some areas more than others. Let go and join me! Become a liberal, it's liberating :D
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Iran needs to pay for what Osama did on 911.
LOLOLOL
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Ah I'm just firing up Hugo.....but as u know I don't give a rats ass about the bad guys. Those nfolks aren't loosing any sleep over my safety anyway. But as I understand it Delta force will rescue all Iranian hotschicks and deliver them to Hugo along with hot Israeli chicks to have tickle fights for his pleasure.
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LOLOLOL
;D
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Ah I'm just firing up Hugo.....but as u know I don't give a rats ass about the bad guys. Those nfolks aren't loosing any sleep over my safety anyway. But as I understand it Delta force will rescue all Iranian hotschicks and deliver them to Hugo along with hot Israeli chicks to have tickle fights for his pleasure.
shit, thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll take them.
Your inner liberal is coming out already :D
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Ah I'm just firing up Hugo.....but as u know I don't give a rats ass about the bad guys. Those nfolks aren't loosing any sleep over my safety anyway. But as I understand it Delta force will rescue all Iranian hotschicks and deliver them to Hugo along with hot Israeli chicks to have tickle fights for his pleasure.
You knew you'd push the right button with the trade center comment lol
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We should take a look at what we'll be destroying.
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21845_12.jpg)
(http://www.imagedonkey.com/out.php?i=21846_0011101baran.jpg)
Found a big gallery of images here:
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32
What? I thought they couldn't dress like that... After listening to the neocons, I though we were getting ready for war with Klingons! A lot of lives will be lost, I tend to think talking wouldn't hurt if there's a chance of avoiding conflict.
Feel free to post the multitude of articles about men beating women for dressing like that, the Iranian secret police arresting them and the multitude of other problems. You sure you don't work for the government? Your spin skills are pretty impressive, albeit very pathetic.
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I'm a racist now...why is that. Because I don't like the the Iranians....maybe its because they're supplying the insurgents in Iraq. I guess that doesn't matter to u. Also I have zero hate dude..u'd like to think I'm a big angry troll..but the truth is..I just don't really give a shit about the bad guys. Those chicks will be fine...so stop worrying.
I hate Koreans. :)
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I'm a racist now...why is that. Because I don't like the the Iranians....maybe its because they're supplying the insurgents in Iraq. I guess that doesn't matter to u. Also I have zero hate dude..u'd like to think I'm a big angry troll..but the truth is..I just don't really give a shit about the bad guys. Those chicks will be fine...so stop worrying.
No one on here has a problem with Iranians killing American soldiers because it's apparently ok for foreigners to meddle in Iraqi affairs as long as they're muslim. They also couldn't care because it's not their family members getting killed by Iranian weapons supplied by the QUDS force.
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Feel free to post the multitude of articles about men beating women for dressing like that, the Iranian secret police arresting them and the multitude of other problems. You sure you don't work for the government? Your spin skills are pretty impressive, albeit very pathetic.
is there a point BF? As opposed to what? The multitude of men in America that beat their wives for NO REASON... Or go to Nebraska, I have and have had my fill of their BS on women, but they're dead set on women only being created for one purpose, but hey, at least they get to show their face. I just posted pics so we would have reference as to what we were about to destroy. It's our tax dollars going to do it, might as well be aware of what's getting blown up. I also am not sure it's logical to look at the pics, say oh those women are getting their asses beat, bomb them all.
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I hate Koreans. :)
They irk me a bit too, maybe a lot. But one saved my life once so they're not all bad :)
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No one on here has a problem with Iranians killing American soldiers because it's apparently ok for foreigners to meddle in Iraqi affairs as long as they're muslim. They also couldn't care because it's not their family members getting killed by Iranian weapons supplied by the QUDS force.
I'm not ok with it, but I guess it depends on where the person is posting from. If there are any Russians, they might see some hypocrisy after Afghanistan.
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HAAHHHAAAA I knew u'd flip the fuck out...I'm pretty sure we won't attack...Israel might and I honestly don't care what happens to those people. But I'm sure they'll be fine.
If Israel attacks I'd bet money we'll be involved at some point. Israel is our strongest allie in the ME, if not one of our strongest world wide.
Here's my take. Both Israel and the U.S. have many reasons for concern in regards to Iran. Both have vested interest in security. If the U.S. attacks first once again we're painted as the evil enforcer. Israel attacks first, it becomes much easier for us to get involved by means of more "politically correct" reason.
If Israel attacks, the U.S. will be right there and will more then likely be advising strongly on that initial attack...odds are we're pushing for it.
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is there a point BF? As opposed to what? The multitude of men in America that beat their wives for NO REASON... Or go to Nebraska, I have and have had my fill of their BS on women, but they're dead set on women only being created for one purpose, but hey, at least they get to show their face. I just posted pics so we would have reference as to what we were about to destroy. It's our tax dollars going to do it, might as well be aware of what's getting blown up. I also am not sure it's logical to look at the pics, say oh those women are getting their asses beat, bomb them all.
WTF does women getting their asses beat have to do with them getting bombed? It's their government that has them on the fast track to war. Iran continues to want to meddle in middle eastern affairs. No one besides Syria (and I doubt they're gung ho about it) wants Iran meddling. Most of the Middle East is Sunni, they despise Iran.
I've seen some fucked up videos from Iran. There's one of an Iranian man back handing a woman off her feet three times because she had her burqa off and wouldn't put it back on. After putting it back on he popped her once more for good measure.
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WTF does women getting their asses beat have to do with them getting bombed? It's their government that has them on the fast track to war. Iran continues to want to meddle in middle eastern affairs. No one besides Syria (and I doubt they're gung ho about it) wants Iran meddling. Most of the Middle East is Sunni, they despise Iran.
I've seen some fucked up videos from Iran. There's one of an Iranian man back handing a woman off her feet three times because she had her burqa off and wouldn't put it back on. After putting it back on he popped her once more for good measure.
I'm not saying their gov is innocent, they suck ass. I'm saying we're guilty for being such hardline pricks unwilling to negociate to the level one would interpret as wanting war. Which is in reality what some people DO want. It's "prophesy" so they'll get around to making it happen one way or another.
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OH WHAT THE FUCK YOU RETARTED!!!!! >:( NOW IRAN ATTACKED US ON 9/11... HH6, could you be a bigger neocon assclown >:(
Amazing hahahahah I think thats the reason North Korea was on the watch list. Almost every country we don't like played a part in 9/11 I guess.
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Nope had to get him fired up....u know now that I think of it both RP fan and RP himself might have been invloved. :D
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Nope had to get him fired up....u know now that I think of it both RP fan and RP himself might have been invloved. :D
Ron Paul = "Head Neo Con Undercover" He has jerks just like me right where he wants us.
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Nope had to get him fired up....u know now that I think of it both RP fan and RP himself might have been invloved. :D
that was really mean, you know how easy I am. You struck with the intention that I would self implode >:( YOU TRIED TO KILL ME :-\
:D
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Not for nothing, but if Israel attacks Iran with the help of the USA, Saudi Arabia will almost immediately begin to contract it's oil exports in Euros, and the American economy would go down the drain in a fucking second.
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Not for nothing, but if Israel attacks Iran with the help of the USA, Saudi Arabia will almost immediately begin to contract it's oil exports in Euros, and the American economy would go down the drain in a fucking second.
how do you know this?
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Um...no buuuut thanks for chiming in.
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The Saudi's are tied to the DOD and our Foreign military sales. The would make some noise in the media condemming the action...but they along with Jordan, Egypt, the UAE etc wish Iran would go away.
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Feel free to post the multitude of articles about men beating women for dressing like that, the Iranian secret police arresting them and the multitude of other problems. You sure you don't work for the government? Your spin skills are pretty impressive, albeit very pathetic.
Well, we've got a lot of that here, not even the SECRET police, just regular police, who is as trigger-happy as their "secret" counterparts in Iran. Iranians and Islam as a whole does not have the best human rights record in history, but neither do we.
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how do you know this?
Well, let's see... our mercenary army of the rich and powerful (MARP) invaded Irak. MARP is going to invade Iran (so I hear). If I were a Saudi and had any brains at all... it wouldn't take 2 braincells to figure out that: WE'RE NEEEEEEXT!
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The Saudi's are tied to the DOD and our Foreign military sales.[...]
So was Irak.
Guess who sold them the gas they dropped on their own people with our consent...
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Well, let's see... our mercenary army of the rich and powerful (MARP) invaded Irak. MARP is going to invade Iran (so I hear). If I were a Saudi and had any brains at all... it wouldn't take 2 braincells to figure out that: WE'RE NEEEEEEXT!
I don't know... There seems to be some kind of Bush/Saudi love tryangle that doesn't fit into Irak and Iran.
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I don't know... There seems to be some kind of Bush/Saudi love tryangle that doesn't fit into Irak and Iran.
Well, we also had a love triangle with Sadam or the Shah of Iran, two of the most murderous thugs in history (but also sat on top of a lot of oil) and we killed the first one and ignored the second when overthrown by popular struggle. Well... we're looking to bomb the later now, so I guess our now-you're-our-friend/now-you're-not-our-friend-hence-you-must-die philosophy must have the Saudis wandering.
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Well, let's see... our mercenary army of the rich and powerful (MARP) invaded Irak. MARP is going to invade Iran (so I hear). If I were a Saudi and had any brains at all... it wouldn't take 2 braincells to figure out that: WE'RE NEEEEEEXT!
Um r an idiot...ok anyway MARP..what the hell is that. We're not invading anybody. We never talking invasion ever..bombing yes...invasion no. The Saudi's don't think they're next....u really have no clue. Iraq was tied to the Soviets. U realize that Iraq produced their own Tabun gas right. As well as Sarin...they produced it. I guess u must be confused.
Baghdad University purchased an assortment of germs from the American Type Culture Collection, for “medical” research.
The collection serves as a global lending library for scientists doing research to combat infectious diseases to improve global health. Overseas customers were required to obtain a Commerce Department export license for the most virulent strains. These licenses had always been a formality since these germs were intended for peaceful research only, and the courtesy was extended to all who asked for legitimate reasons. Moscow, too has a vast collection of infectious diseases
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The Shah as a top murderous thg...ur kidding right. Bad guy..but compared to many during that time, not so bad. U really need to get a grip on history.
1988. Al-Hakam, a large biological agent production facility, goes into operation in Iraq. Botulinin toxin and Anthrax are its main are its main production. By 1991 the plant produces about 125,000 gallons of agents. After stating for years that the plant was used to produce animal feed, the Iraqis admitted in 1995 that the plant was a biological warfare production facility. The admission come only as a result of a high-level defection. The site is supervised by Dr. Taha’s staff at Muthanna State Establishment.
In addition to producing biological warfare agents, they also conducted live-agent tests on animals. The Iraqis also later admitted they had prepared about 200 biological missiles and bombs. Still unaccounted for.
Hans Branscheidt a chemical expert says (in 2003), that Iraq purchased eight mobile chemical laboratories from the Federal Republic of Germany. He says that the construction of an Iraqi research center for missile technology "became almost exclusively the work of German companies." This report is confirmed by the head of Germany's intelligence service, August Hanning.
1988, March 17. The village of Halabja was bombarded by Iraqi warplanes. The raid was over in minutes. A Kurd described the effects of a chemical attack on another village: "My brothers and my wife had blood and vomit running from their noses and their mouths. Their heads were tilted to one side. They were groaning. I couldn't do much, just clean up the blood and vomit from their mouths and try in every way to make them breathe again. I did artificial respiration on them and then I gave them two injections each. I also rubbed creams on my wife and two brothers." (From "Crimes Against Humanity" Iraqi National Congress
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Um r an idiot...ok anyway MARP..what the hell is that. We're not invading anybody. We never talking invasion ever..bombing yes...invasion no. The Saudi's don't think they're next....u really have no clue. Iraq was tied to the Soviets. U realize that Iraq produced their own Tabun gas right. As well as Sarin...they produced it. I guess u must be confused.
ENGLISH PLEASE! I CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY! Fucking GI Joe talk. You're not on the walkie-talkie anymore. Roger that?!
Baghdad University purchased an assortment of germs from the American Type Culture Collection, for “medical” research.
The collection serves as a global lending library for scientists doing research to combat infectious diseases to improve global health. Overseas customers were required to obtain a Commerce Department export license for the most virulent strains. These licenses had always been a formality since these germs were intended for peaceful research only, and the courtesy was extended to all who asked for legitimate reasons. Moscow, too has a vast collection of infectious diseases
One of the most murderous dictators in Middle Eastern history decides to buy WMDs from us and we are supposed to believe that they're going to be used for medical reasons. It's like selling dynamite to the IRA and expecting them to use it for mining purposes.
Un-fucking-believable.
Am I the only one here who feels that some people here are beyond psychological help?
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OK numbnuts...let me spell it out for you again......Baghdad University purchased an assortment of germs from the American Type Culture Collection, for “medical” research. What they used them for is not our problem. We didn't sell them WMD's. Do u have any idea how hard it is to weaponize that crap. They got help from the Soviets or from Europe. Oh and its IRAQ..not IRAK. 20/20 did a special on people buying anthrax. Anybody can get that crap.
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MARP..what the hell is that.
LOL... it tossed me too for a sec, I thought he was talking about the MEK (Iran)or something, but it's included in the first post. MARP mercenary army of the rich and powerful :D LOL... true
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The Shah as a top murderous thg...ur kidding right. Bad guy..but compared to many during that time, not so bad. U really need to get a grip on history.
Like who?
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LOL... it tossed me too for a sec, I thought he was talking about the MEK (Iran)or something, but it's included in the first post. MARP mercenary army of the rich and powerful :D LOL... true
Well, that's what it is nowadays. The latest polls show that a majority of Americans want people out of Irak. However, some how, some way we're still there.
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I didn't feel like reading the whole thread, so somebody already beat me to this, I'm sure.
Israel will do a surgical strike after the November elections, but before the Obama is elected in January.
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Not for nothing, but if Israel attacks Iran with the help of the USA, Saudi Arabia will almost immediately begin to contract it's oil exports in Euros, and the American economy would go down the drain in a fucking second.
Yeah, because Iran being Shia and Saudi Arabia being Sunni doesn't mean anything. Saudi Arabia has voiced their concern a number of times about Iran's meddling in middle eastern affairs. They don't like it and like most of the middle east, secretly wish Iran would disappear off the face of the earth.
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Well, we've got a lot of that here, not even the SECRET police, just regular police, who is as trigger-happy as their "secret" counterparts in Iran. Iranians and Islam as a whole does not have the best human rights record in history, but neither do we.
Trying to compare our human rights record to Islam's is HILARIOUS. Talk about spewing bullshit.
If you're a homosexual in Iran, you get executed.
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OK numbnuts...let me spell it out for you again......Baghdad University purchased an assortment of germs from the American Type Culture Collection, for “medical” research. What they used them for is not our problem.
Well, we're in Irak because our president told us that they had WMD. What do you mean it's not our problem?
We didn't sell them WMD's. Do u have any idea how hard it is to weaponize that crap. They got help from the Soviets or from Europe. Oh and its IRAQ..not IRAK. 20/20 did a special on people buying anthrax. Anybody can get that crap.
Right, the guy just happened to be a dictator. There was no way of knowing that he was going to use the chemicals we were selling to him for warfare purposes... even though he was preparing to go into Iran and our CIA knew about it.
We cannot do anything wrong.
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Yeah, because Iran being Shia and Saudi Arabia being Sunni doesn't mean anything. Saudi Arabia has voiced their concern a number of times about Iran's meddling in middle eastern affairs. They don't like it and like most of the middle east, secretly wish Iran would disappear off the face of the earth.
Sunni... Shia... it does not matter when it comes to $$. The Saudi royals know the Big Dog is hungry and it must "eat". Pretty soon, if not fed, even the dog turns on its owner.
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The Shah as a top murderous thg...ur kidding right. Bad guy..but compared to many during that time, not so bad. U really need to get a grip on history.
1988. Al-Hakam, a large biological agent production facility, goes into operation in Iraq. Botulinin toxin and Anthrax are its main are its main production. By 1991 the plant produces about 125,000 gallons of agents. After stating for years that the plant was used to produce animal feed, the Iraqis admitted in 1995 that the plant was a biological warfare production facility. The admission come only as a result of a high-level defection. The site is supervised by Dr. Taha’s staff at Muthanna State Establishment.
In addition to producing biological warfare agents, they also conducted live-agent tests on animals. The Iraqis also later admitted they had prepared about 200 biological missiles and bombs. Still unaccounted for.
Hans Branscheidt a chemical expert says (in 2003), that Iraq purchased eight mobile chemical laboratories from the Federal Republic of Germany. He says that the construction of an Iraqi research center for missile technology "became almost exclusively the work of German companies." This report is confirmed by the head of Germany's intelligence service, August Hanning.
1988, March 17. The village of Halabja was bombarded by Iraqi warplanes. The raid was over in minutes. A Kurd described the effects of a chemical attack on another village: "My brothers and my wife had blood and vomit running from their noses and their mouths. Their heads were tilted to one side. They were groaning. I couldn't do much, just clean up the blood and vomit from their mouths and try in every way to make them breathe again. I did artificial respiration on them and then I gave them two injections each. I also rubbed creams on my wife and two brothers." (From "Crimes Against Humanity" Iraqi National Congress
What does Saddam Hussein's grocery list from 20 years in IraQ, have to do with IraN today?
Or are you simply trying to confuse people, by mentioning the two then eventually merging the two till they become one and the same in the minds of the readers?
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Sunni... Shia... it does not matter when it comes to $$. The Saudi royals know the Big Dog is hungry and it must "eat". Pretty soon, if not fed, even the dog turns on its owner.
Ahh yes, you're the authority on Sunni relations. How again would Iran's destruction have any impact on Saudi Arabia? If anything it would let them control oil prices even more as Iran wouldn't be producing any.
And for someone crying "ENGLISH ENGLISH," the fact that you call it Irak isn't ironic or anything. :D
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Trying to compare our human rights record to Islam's is HILARIOUS. Talk about spewing bullshit.
If you're a homosexual in Iran, you get executed.
What do you mean? I wasn't comparing Islam's record on human rights with that of the US. What I said was that they are not the panacea of human rights, but neither are we. I mean, we massacred the Native Americans, enslaved the population of African descent, etc.
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What do you mean? I wasn't comparing Islam's record on human rights with that of the US. What I said was that they are not the panacea of human rights, but neither are we. I mean, we massacred the Native Americans, enslaved the population of African descent, etc.
Ahh yes, let's compare the actions of English and French from hundreds of years ago to Iran today. Let's go back in time to around then for Iran. Their human rights record was just as bad then as ours was, if not worse. Mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that, most of the Muslim world continues to do it. Executing homosexuals, stoning women to death, beating women for not wearing a piece of clothing on their face. GREAT comparison! ::)
I've never understood this referencing the past bullshit. At the time we were doing it, everyone in the world was, pretty much making it a moot point. The Muslim world is still heavily involved in slave trafficking.
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Trying to compare our human rights record to Islam's is HILARIOUS. Talk about spewing bullshit.
If you're a homosexual in Iran, you get executed.
As an FYI, Christian nations also have strict punishment for being gay. To my horror, maybe 10 or my neighbours do.....up to life in prison :-\
Actually stricter in a way, as also applies [in theory never actually done] to women as well, whereas most Sharia gay laws only apply to men. Porn will also get you hauled to prison many places here, gambling too. Christian nations can, and do, enact laws very similar to Sharia, although Sharia law catches all the heat, while Christian governments are running the same laws here and no one cares. Google if anyone doubts me...
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As an FYI, Christian nations also have strict punishment for being gay. To my horror, maybe 10 or my neighbours do.....up to life in prison :-\
Actually stricter in a way, as also applies [in theory never actually done] to women as well, whereas most Sharia gay laws only apply to men. Porn will also get you hauled to prison many places here, gambling too. Christian nations can, and do, enact laws very similar to Sharia, although Sharia law catches all the heat, while Christian governments are running the same laws here and no one cares. Google if anyone doubts me...
I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.
Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.
And lastly, Iran's approach to homosexuality is just one example in their very long laundry list of human rights violations.
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http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/
Stoning in Iran, The Washington Times, February 27
"The condemned are wrapped head to foot in white shrouds and buried up to their waists.
"Then the stoning begins. The stones are specifically chosen so they are large enough to cause pain, but not so large as to kill the condemned immediately. They are guaranteed a slow, torturous death. Sometimes their children are forced to watch. Their offense is usually adultery."
I don't know you, but most Christian first world nations don't stone people to death for adultery.
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I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.
Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.
Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.
My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.
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Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.
My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.
So what we're getting at is that religion in of itself is retarded? Regardless, being imprisoned for homosexuality and being hanged at 12 years old because someone said you were gay are two very different things.
Iran: 13-Year-Old Girl Sentenced to Death for Incest
Wednesday October 20, 2004
In Iran, a 13-year-old girl has been sentenced to death because her 15-year-old brother got her pregnant. The boy, of course, doesn't face a death sentence - he'll only be whipped 150 times with a lash. Zhila Izadi just gave birth to her child so now she is eligible for stoning by the community.
Iran: Gay Teens Executed by Hanging
Monday July 25, 2005
In the city of Mashhad in north-eastern Iran, two gay teens have been executed. One was 18 and the other is thought to have been 16 or 17. First they were lashed 228 times, though. Not long after the execution there were howls of outrage from the Iranian parliament - not at the execution itself, but at the temerity of journalists to report it.
"Witnesses said dozens of young women were held in the raids on shopping centres and shops in the capital. ... Shops selling fashion clothing for women - especially bright figure-hugging coats - were also targeted.
After winning parliamentary elections in February, hardliners warned they would not tolerate what they described as social corruption. ... Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran's laws say all young women must wear the veil and a long coat that conceals their figures, or face fines or even imprisonment. ... The hardliners are angry that women are progressively defying the rules by wearing shorter, tighter and brighter coats, especially during the scorching summer months."
Religious Expression: The Islamic Republic of Iran is a religious institution with no secular concept of law. Those who convert from Islam to another faith may face execution for apostasy. Religious minorities are routinely subject to widespread persecution.
Speech, Press, and Assembly: Free speech, as such, does not exist in Iran. Human rights activists and other perceived agitators are subject to beatings, arrests, torture, and disappearance.
The difference between these first world Christian nations and Iran is that they aren't meddling in everyone else's business, killing American soldiers and trying to build nuclear bombs.
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Some are 2nd [Jamaica etc] but most are 1st world. Incomes on the level of the US, along with lifestyle.
My only point is strict laws are not exclusively an Islamic thing, although it is purported as such. Christian nations do the exact same thing sometimes, more obvious to me obviously as I live in it day and night.
We just hired someone from Jamaica. Have to brush up on my Patwa. :)
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So what we're getting at is that religion in of itself is retarded? Regardless, being imprisoned for homosexuality and being hanged at 12 years old because someone said you were gay are two very different things.
Never said they were the same, merely making the point that any government that takes any religion to the extreme then moves in to violating human rights.Trust me when I tell you I do not approve of any of it :-\
We just hired someone from Jamaica. Have to brush up on my Patwa. :)
Ask him 'waagawaan roots' you'll be the hippest guy on the job 8)
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Never said they were the same, merely making the point that any government that takes any religion to the extreme then moves in to violating human rights.Trust me when I tell you I do not approve of any of it :-\
Ask him 'waagawaan roots' you'll be the hippest guy on the job 8)
He's a she. But I'll ask. :)
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He's a she. But I'll ask. :)
Whoops. Don't say that then, you'll be all rude ;D
Nice to see your job is exhibiting good taste in employee selection ;D
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Whoops. Don't say that then, you'll be all rude ;D
Nice to see your job is exhibiting good taste in employee selection ;D
You trying to get me in trouble? :)
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Ahh yes, let's compare the actions of English and French from hundreds of years ago to Iran today. Let's go back in time to around then for Iran. Their human rights record was just as bad then as ours was, if not worse. Mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that, most of the Muslim world continues to do it. Executing homosexuals, stoning women to death, beating women for not wearing a piece of clothing on their face. GREAT comparison! ::)
I've never understood this referencing the past bullshit. At the time we were doing it, everyone in the world was, pretty much making it a moot point. The Muslim world is still heavily involved in slave trafficking.
Funny thing is I told you TWICE I was not comparing Islam with the pax Americana... you critizice me TWICE for doing so and... what do you do next? Compare the actions of the French and English of hundreds of years ago with those of Iran today. ;D ;D ;D
Furthermore you say "mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that"... errrrr Nope, not really. We're still torturing people in Guantánamo and other places; and our "legal" system has executed 1108 people since 1976. It is obvious 1108 people is not the same as the 2 million human beings put to death in the German concentration camps or that our executed were first put through our (il)legal system, but the underlying concept of execution as a tool of revenge (be it the state or a dictator) is still there. Hence your comment making refence to execution is not valid.
Keep on trying homeboy.
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Funny thing is I told you TWICE I was not comparing Islam with the pax Americana... you critizice me TWICE for doing so and... what do you do next? Compare the actions of the French and English of hundreds of years ago with those of Iran today. ;D ;D ;D
Furthermore you say "mass executions, torture, etc. The only difference is that while we moved past that"... errrrr Nope, not really. We're still torturing people in Guantánamo and other places; and our "legal" system has executed 1108 people since 1976. It is obvious 1108 people is not the same as the 2 million human beings put to death in the German concentration camps or that our executed were first put through our (il)legal system, but the underlying concept of execution as a tool of revenge (be it the state or a dictator) is still there. Hence your comment making refence to execution is not valid.
Keep on trying homeboy.
I'm not talking about executing criminals under American law, bright spot. Figures that you would interpret that. Secondly, executing one person is not a mass execution.
And you are honestly pretty stupid. I was talking about the English and French explorers who colonized most of America. Way to go on the reading comprehension there, bright spot! If you weren't comparing us to Iran, you wouldn't have brought up our human rights record and treatment of the Native Americans. :D
You're really stretching here when your only example of executions for us are murderers and Nazis. Meanwhile, Iran executes women for supposed adultery and tortures and executes children as young as 12 for homosexuality. Women get beaten to death for not wearing a burqa. ::)
Keep trying homeboy. I thought you were stupid before, but you just feel the need to prove me wrong.
You should stick to acting like you're the authority on middle eastern affairs.
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And besides, since some of you made a comment about homosexuals in the US, I'll have you know that gays are still beaten up in downtown NY nowadays for being gay. Anyone walking the streets of the Village will notice the baseball bat drawings on the sidewalk, but few will know that they mark the place where a homosexual was beaten up recently (for being gay of course). You can also look at what happened to Matthew Sheppard a couple of years ago...
I mean we're not (and have not been) the best of examples to anyone when it comes to human rights. Although we can all be 100% CERTAIN that very few peoples have tried and struggled for total freedom and understanding among its citizens... as many Americans have.
I mean, take the gender struggle... a couple of years ago you could beat the shit out of your wife and she'd get no help from noone. Up until 40 years ago, in some places in the USA, you could lynch a black person and noone would give a shit. It is obvious that that IS NOT legally and socially posible nowadays thanks in part because we've learned from our mistakes and developed a higher level of understanding. It is for this that we deserve a pat in the back.
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And besides, since some of you made a comment about homosexuals in the US, I'll have you know that gays are still beaten up in downtown NY nowadays for being gay. Anyone walking the streets of the Village will notice the baseball bat drawings on the sidewalk, but few will know that they mark the place where a homosexual was beaten up recently (for being gay of course). You can also look at what happened to Matthew Sheppard a couple of years ago...
I mean we're not (and have not been) the best of examples to anyone when it comes to human rights. Although we can all be 100% CERTAIN that very few peoples have tried and struggled for total freedom and understanding among its citizens... as many Americans have.
I mean, take the gender struggle... a couple of years ago you could beat the shit out of your wife and she'd get no help from noone. Up until 40 years ago, in some places in the USA, you could lynch a black person and noone would give a shit. It is obvious that that IS NOT legally and socially posible nowadays thanks in part because we've learned from our mistakes and developed a higher level of understanding. It is for this that we deserve a pat in the back.
Wow, so some Americans took it upon themselves to beat up homosexuals? Meanwhile, California just legalized gay marriage. Didn't see you mention that. Let's see. California (the government) or some random Americans (normal people) vs Iran's government. California (the government) legalized gay marriage. Iran executes 12 year old homosexuals. Great argument!!!!!! ::)
If you want to play that game, I can too. A lot of Iranian men take it upon themselves to kill their daughters and wives when they're "dishonored." These men then have ZERO charges filed against them and are usually patted on the back and congratulated for the deed. Here in America, you end up in jail for life or on death row for killing your daughter. ;)
You comparing the actions of a few Americans to the Iranian government is creative, but useless.
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I'm not talking about executing criminals under American law, bright spot. Figures that you would interpret that. Secondly, executing one person is not a mass execution.
Did you even read what I wrote brighter spot? BerzerkFury, in one of your previous posts, you insinuated that we've moved past torture and executions and I answered your question by saying that we have not. I said that we still torture in Guantánamo. I said that we still execute people: Almost 2000 souls since 1976 in fact. I also pointed out that they were not MASS executions, but you said that we did not execute people anymore. I mean, this is not an American or Islamic phenomenom by any chance, but the basic underlying moral rot of an execution is the same here in the US after a "fair" trial or in Iran because you're gay and being stoned to death.
And you are honestly pretty stupid.
I'd show you the finger but you'd probably suck it.
I was talking about the English and French explorers who colonized most of America. Way to go on the reading comprehension there, bright spot! If you weren't comparing us to Iran, you wouldn't have brought up our human rights record and treatment of the Native Americans.
What I said was that we are no example of human rights to anyone. Our record speaks for itself.
You're really stretching here when your only example of executions for us are murderers and Nazis.
Again, you're missing the point. You said we do not execute anymore. I said we do execute still. It's a truism. I ain't making this stuff up. I also said it is obvious that executing 500.000 souls is not the same as electrocuting 2,000 people, but the barbarism is there in both cases.
Meanwhile, Iran executes women for supposed adultery and tortures and executes children as young as 12 for homosexuality. Women get beaten to death for not wearing a burqa.
Well, in some Southern states there are people running for the senate who believe adultery and abortion ought to be punishable by death. I mean... look, I certainly believe that some of the information about Iran and its society being filtered to us is intentionally made out to seem as though Iranians are monsters who hate guys and cheating wives. I thing they are not that bad as some people say they are.
I thought you were stupid before, but you just feel the need to prove me wrong.
Look, keep wasting electrons writing comments like the one above these lines. I'm sure the posting space you took could be used in much more fruitful discussions.
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Wow, so some Americans took it upon themselves to beat up homosexuals? Meanwhile, California just legalized gay marriage. Didn't see you mention that. Let's see. California (the government) or some random Americans (normal people) vs Iran's government. California (the government) legalized gay marriage. Iran executes 12 year old homosexuals. Great argument!!!!!! ::)
If you want to play that game, I can too. A lot of Iranian men take it upon themselves to kill their daughters and wives when they're "dishonored." These men then have ZERO charges filed against them and are usually patted on the back and congratulated for the deed. Here in America, you end up in jail for life or on death row for killing your daughter. ;)
You comparing the actions of a few Americans to the Iranian government is creative, but useless.
We can legalize anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that gays in NY, in the USA, TODAY, RIGHT NOW, are getting the shit beat out of them (no pun intended) for being gay. There's a difference in how we deal with homosexuality: In the US it's regular Americans who beat the shit out of gays, in Iran the government does the work for them. The end result is the same.
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Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent.
And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. ::)
But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. ;)
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! ::)
We can legalize anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that gays in NY, in the USA, TODAY, RIGHT NOW, are getting the shit beat out of them (no pun intended) for being gay. There's a difference in how we deal with homosexuality: In the US it's regular Americans who beat the shit out of gays, in Iran the government does the work for them. The end result is the same.
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You are hands down the stupidest twat I've seen on this forum. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government. Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.
And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. :D
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Did you even read what I wrote brighter spot? BerzerkFury, in one of your previous posts, you insinuated that we've moved past torture and executions and I answered your question by saying that we have not. I said that we still torture in Guantánamo. I said that we still execute people: Almost 2000 souls since 1976 in fact. I also pointed out that they were not MASS executions, but you said that we did not execute people anymore. I mean, this is not an American or Islamic phenomenom by any chance, but the basic underlying moral rot of an execution is the same here in the US after a "fair" trial or in Iran because you're gay and being stoned to death.
I'd show you the finger but you'd probably suck it.
What I said was that we are no example of human rights to anyone. Our record speaks for itself.
Again, you're missing the point. You said we do not execute anymore. I said we do execute still. It's a truism. I ain't making this stuff up. I also said it is obvious that executing 500.000 souls is not the same as electrocuting 2,000 people, but the barbarism is there in both cases.
Well, in some Southern states there are people running for the senate who believe adultery and abortion ought to be punishable by death. I mean... look, I certainly believe that some of the information about Iran and its society being filtered to us is intentionally made out to seem as though Iranians are monsters who hate #### and cheating wives. I thing they are not that bad as some people say they are.
Look, keep wasting electrons writing comments like the one above these lines. I'm sure the posting space you took could be used in much more fruitful discussions.
Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent.
And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. ::)
But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. ;)
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! ::)
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government. Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.
And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. :D
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You even quote yourself. Man, you've got a black belt in full-of-shit my friend!
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You even quote yourself. Man, you've got a black belt in full-of-shit my friend!
Fixed it, champ. Thanks for ignoring the post. If that's the best response you can come up with then this argument is over. I can only talk to stupid for so long. This is like the Israel/Palestine argument all over again. You start grasping at straws, end up looking like an idiot, start melting down and it's now only a matter of time until you're spamming "fuck you" at me. :D
Yes, stoning women to death and executing 12 year olds is surely on par with a few dozen people roughing up some gays!!!! You are an idiot.
Feel free to watch that video of a stoning and then try to equate us to them. ;D
In retrospect it's not surprising. You are the same retard that justified launching rockets at civilians. Hahaha.
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War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, y'all
War, huh, good God
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me
Ohhh, war, I despise
Because it means destruction
Of innocent lives
War means tears
To thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their lives
War, it ain't nothing
But a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker
Ooooh, war
It's an enemy to all mankind
The point of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die
War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War, it's got one friend
That's the undertaker
Ooooh, war, has shattered
Many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled, bitter and mean
Life is much to short and precious
To spend fighting wars these days
War can't give life
It can only take it away
War, it ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War, friend only to the undertaker
Peace, love and understanding
Tell me, is there no place for them today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But Lord knows there's got to be a better way
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Again, the execution of murders and war criminals is not equivalent to the execution of 12 year olds for supposedly being homosexuals. What do you not understand? You're really reaching by trying to equate those as equal. A 12 year old child versus a murderer. Yes, very much equivalent.
DUDE! DUDE! I hope that got your attention. You said we, the USA, did not execute anymore. All of a sudden you move to an argument insinuating something like "oh yeah?! Well, executing war criminals is more better than executing gay teens". Well... nope. Executing someone, ANY ONE, is a barbaric and unacceptable thing to do.
And I hate to break it to you, but the information I'm citing is from global human rights organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the United States. But I'm sure they're feeding us that information. ::)
No, and you know what fuck face? I agree with you, they are not the perfect country. But I am contending that we aren't either. Hence we ough to keep our mouths shut.
But yes, we're most definitely equal. I see women getting stoned to death and 12 year olds executed all the time in America!!!! Keep trying homeboy. ;)
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/video/stoning_video_100kbps.wmv
Feel free to watch that video of a stoning. Yes, very much equal we are!!!! ::)
I think you're gay in many senses. To you getting stoned to death in Iran is much worse than getting the shit beaten out of you on the streets of New York. You seem incapable of understanding that the end result is the same. And THIS is precisely the crime, not how OR WHERE it's carried out. If you ask a gay person they'd tell you that the taste of someone's knuckles is the same here and in Germany or Botswana (no pun intended either).
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.
That's because you do not have an argument. You're the typical finger-pointing idiot who is quick to point out someone else's faults but is incapable of self-critizism.
You are hands down the stupidest twat I've seen on this forum. You're stupid enough to equate the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans to the actions of an entire government.
It's amazing how when talking about our people you immediately say "the actions of a FEW backwoods Americans" while talking about Irankans you immediately say "the actions of an entire government". Again, you seem incapable of seeing that an institutionalized problem is the same as a problem. A problem is a problem. Period. I do understand that our concept of authority the government SHOULD NEVER encourage the deaths of gay individuals, but our government actively promotes the death of many individuals around the world, so I do not know what is worse.
Never mind the fact you refuse to even address the fact California just legalized gay marriage. Figures, you took this same approach to arguing about Israel/Palestine last week.
I agree with you that the legalization of gay marriage in California is a good thing! How can I say otherwise? What I'm saying is that just because we legalize gay marriage it does not mean that homophobia is going to go away.
I actually stopped arguing on the Israelo-Palestinian conflict last week because I had better things to do, namely take a shit. You are the one who had the balls to say that "facts don't mean shit". Aren't you? After that I said "you know what? Anyone who says something like that deserves some ignoring."
And thank you for ignoring my post. Yes, some Americans beat homosexuals. A number of Iranian men beat, torture and stone their own daughters to death for "dishonoring" the family. What's worse? Oh wait, Iran again. :D
Well, according to you Iran is the biggest shithole on earth because gay teens and cheating wives get stoned to death. I have a gay friend who has a tatoo that reads "Louisville Slugger" all over his arms and torso. And he doesn't even like baseball!
Funk you man!
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I didn't bother reading that. I saw the "Fuck you man" and realized that my prediction above was right. Game, set, and match.
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Fixed it, champ. Thanks for ignoring the post. If that's the best response you can come up with then this argument is over. I can only talk to stupid for so long. This is like the Israel/Palestine argument all over again. You start grasping at straws, end up looking like an idiot, start melting down and it's now only a matter of time until you're spamming "fuck you" at me. :D
Yes, stoning women to death and executing 12 year olds is surely on par with a few dozen people roughing up some gays!!!! You are an idiot.
Feel free to watch that video of a stoning and then try to equate us to them. ;D
In retrospect it's not surprising. You are the same retard that justified launching rockets at civilians. Hahaha.
No, don't get me wrong, this argument, like any argument in this BODY BUILDING forum is timewasting fodder for me. Once I get bored I leave, not because I "lose" an argument or not, but because I have better things to do. I mean, you have to understand (and for this I ask of you to just read this line and think about it for a minute, just think) that anyone who says "facts don't mean shit" ought to be tatooed a huge cross on their chest and "I'm an Allah-hating gay teen" in arabic on their backs and dropped, still sedated, in the middle of downtown Peshawar... naked!
Look, I've realized many, many moons ago that with some people violence is the only option. I choose to stop arguing with those who fail to spark the intelectual interest in me. So far you've done a good job, but you're beginning to lose my attention, so you better start putting more of your catchphrases in bold letter (underline them too) or you will not have anyone else to argue with except HH6. And I tell you, talking to HH6 is the same as talking to the laptop: Sooner or later (depending on how smart you are) you will realize it ain't talking back.
Now, I gotta go to bed.
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Interesting. I believe I've said attacking Iran would be a stupid decision. All I'm pointing out is that they are worse than us. You keep trying to equate us to them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.
Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.
And lastly, Iran's approach to homosexuality is just one example in their very long laundry list of human rights violations.
Wow, you must be the first human being ever born to believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and the Resurrection of the alleged Jesus of Nazareth; you were born fully cognizant of all the details of Christianity; amazing.
I was born an strong atheist/minarchist with Libertarian leanings. Amazing.
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Wow, you must be the first human being ever born to believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and the Resurrection of the alleged Jesus of Nazareth; you were born fully cognizant of all the details of Christianity; amazing.
I was born an strong atheist/minarchist with Libertarian leanings. Amazing.
Ahh, there's my nut hugger. I knew when I saw your reply that you would be trying to get at me. I meant that I was baptized and never practiced any religion after that. Care to try to take another shot at me or is one failure enough?
Oh wait, aren't you that guy that couldn't make it in America, so you decided to cut and run to Korea and then take pot shots at America because you think you're the only person in the world that can save $10k a year? Oh yeah, that is you!
Man, this sub board is the shit. It's like the old days of the Y all over again. Crush a few ego here and there and you can get the impoverished cry babies back on your nutsack. I still got it.
Care to tell me again how no American is capable of saving $10k a year without cutting and running to Korea? You are one savvy financial wizard! :D
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Dude..its like banging ur head into a wall...these people live in a dream land. Do u honestly care about people who want to kill u...gitmo, who cares, those people would eat u if they could. Some of u will be the same whiners moaning after another terror attack. Of course soon after we dry ur tears you'll blame America again.
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Ahh, there's my nut hugger. I knew when I saw your reply that you would be trying to get at me. I meant that I was baptized and never practiced any religion after that. Care to try to take another shot at me or is one failure enough?
Oh wait, aren't you that guy that couldn't make it in America, so you decided to cut and run to Korea and then take pot shots at America because you think you're the only person in the world that can save $10k a year? Oh yeah, that is you!
Man, this sub board is the shit. It's like the old days of the Y all over again. Crush a few ego here and there and you can get the impoverished cry babies back on your nutsack. I still got it.
Care to tell me again how no American is capable of saving $10k a year without cutting and running to Korea? You are one savvy financial wizard! :D
First off, I said 20k a year.
Second off, I never said I was a financial wizard; I am an academic.
Third off, cretin, I was living in Europe for nearly ten years before I even entertained the thought of Korea. That's right I left the US in 1997 for Europe. You think I left the US because I 'couldn't hack it' in the USA? I left the US because it is a monoglot, uniform, linguistically undiverse and boring place. I am a student of linguistics and I have studied languages for years. That was the main reason I left. As I studied more and more about American foreign and monetary policy I saw still greater reasons for living in Europe.
If you want to be an Imperialist, by all means but don't fabricate things I never said and pay attention to what I write oaf.
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I guess u missed history while studing language. The Europeans have so much more blood on their hands then we do. Then u say we're monoglot, uniform, linguistically undiverse and boring place......yet u attacked Korea earlier. Move back to europe dude...we don't miss ya and neither will the Koreans.
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I guess u missed history while studing language. The Europeans have so much more blood on their hands then we do. Then u say we're monoglot, uniform, linguistically undiverse and boring place......yet u attacked Korea earlier. Move back to europe dude...we don't miss ya and neither will the Koreans.
I am moving back to Europe HH6. Korea is a fairly easy way to make cash for a poor academic such as myself.
Europeans do have blood on their hands but they have learnt from it (for the most part). They have stopped colonising the world; they have also realised that WW2 is over. They don't have 800+ military bases all over the world.
Korea and the US are remarkably similar to each other in some respects. Generally speaking, neither Americans nor Koreans ever leave the country; both peoples are insular, arrogant and ignorant of the outside world. Both countries like to slave away at work nonstop with no thought of rest or relaxation. Both countries suffer from 'centre of the world' syndrome.
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I was born Christian but I don't practice any religion. I live in America. What other Christian nations do is of no significant value to me. These countries are most likely second and third world also. Just because some Christian nations does it doesn't make it right. All you have to do in Iran is claim someone is homosexual and if you're in a good enough position, they'll end up dead.
Most first world countries don't execute homosexuals, nor imprison them.
And lastly, Iran's approach to homosexuality is just one example in their very long laundry list of human rights violations.
If as a Christian, it's of no concern to you what other Christian nations do, ...why then are you so concerned with what Muslim nations do?
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If as a Christian, it's of no concern to you what other Christian nations do, ...why then are you so concerned with what Muslim nations do?
I'm Christian? I don't practice any religion, she who claims to have the same IQ as Albert Einstein.
Why am I concerned with what Muslim nations do? Because they're a plague. A cancer. A parasite and nothing more. I'm not concerned with nations that don't meddle in world affairs. That's opening up an entirely different can of worms. Iran is in the limelight due to their government's actions.
You would think someone who claims to have the same IQ as the most accomplished theoretical physicist of the 20th century would be able to read before attacking someone. :D
Dude..its like banging ur head into a wall...these people live in a dream land. Do u honestly care about people who want to kill u...gitmo, who cares, those people would eat u if they could. Some of u will be the same whiners moaning after another terror attack. Of course soon after we dry ur tears you'll blame America again.
It really is a waste of time. Watching them get riled up is funny, though.
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I'm Christian? I don't practice any religion, she who claims to have the same IQ as Albert Einstein.
Why am I concerned with what Muslim nations do? Because they're a plague. A cancer. A parasite and nothing more. I'm not concerned with nations that don't meddle in world affairs. That's opening up an entirely different can of worms. Iran is in the limelight due to their government's actions.
You would think someone who claims to have the same IQ as the most accomplished theoretical physicist of the 20th century would be able to read before attacking someone. :D
It really is a waste of time. Watching them get riled up is funny, though.
I guessed you missed my clarification on the IQ issue.
How concerned are you with the direction of the USA over the years since WWII?
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I guessed you missed my clarification on the IQ issue.
How concerned are you with the direction of the USA over the years since WWII?
I addressed your IQ post. Let's be honest, sugar tits, no one with a claimed IQ of 160 (like you first claimed) would accidentally "forget" and only remember their IQ was "140" after someone pointed out that Einstein had an IQ of 160. You're a liar and a swindler.
"Michael is the creator of "Jaguar Enterprises".
He was arrested September 26, 2004 and has been in jail since then.
Michael was arrested for
1) Selling medical devices not approved by the FDA
2) Exaggerating their effectiveness (a federal criminal offense)
His trial is scheduled for May 2nd, 2005. The judge scheduled for this case is Rudolph Randa."
Yes, gas caps are legitimate!
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I am torn between the self-delusions of Jaguar and the rightwing nationalism/imperialism of Berserk...hmm...
Any other options out there? ???
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I am torn between the self-delusions of Jaguar and the rightwing nationalism/imperialism of Berserk...hmm...
Any other options out there? ???
Can you show me calling for an attack on Iran? That would make me an Imperialist. Just because you would take Osama's load on your face with a smile while asking for seconds doesn't make me an imperialist. ;)
I'm sorry, I just can't take someone seriously when they think they're something else for saving $20k in Korea. A trained chimp could manage that. Most Americans with decent jobs could manage that.
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Can you show me calling for an attack on Iran? That would make me an Imperialist. Just because you would take Osama's load on your face with a smile while asking for seconds doesn't make me an imperialist. ;)
I'm sorry, I just can't take someone seriously when they think they're something else for saving $20k in Korea. A trained chimp could manage that. Most Americans with decent jobs could manage that.
You love the war in Iraq; you agree with the theft of Iraq's oil and don't care about the destruction wrought there. I would say you are an imperialist.
For a poor academic saving 20k a year with only 30 work hours a week is not a bad deal; I suppose you are a Wallstreet broker, huh?
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You love the war in Iraq; you agree with the theft of Iraq's oil and don't care about the destruction wrought there. I would say you are an imperialist.
For a poor academic saving 20k a year with only 30 work hours a week is not a bad deal; I suppose you are a Wallstreet broker, huh?
I love the war in Iraq? Don't put words in my mouth. I said it was a terrible decision. But I also believe that leaving now would just throw that country into chaos and result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of more Iraqis, and end up as a place for terrorists to run wild. Interesting. You bitch about how many have died now but you seem to be content with sending another 500,000+ to their death when that country breaks into all out civil war. Very hypocritical if you ask me. Perhaps I care more about Iraqi lives than you do? Which wouldn't surprise me.
Not a Wall Street broker but any retard with half a brain and a decent job could save $20,000 in America. How come you couldn't? So much for your academia. ::)
So tell me. You think it's ok for America to leave Iraq this very instant and watch it collapse? You're ok with a couple hundred thousand Iraqis dying from the Civil War? Very interesting. :-X
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I love the war in Iraq? Don't put words in my mouth. I said it was a terrible decision. But I also believe that leaving now would just throw that country into chaos and result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of more Iraqis. Interesting. You bitch about how many have died now but you seem to be content with sending another 500,000+ to their death when that country breaks into all out civil war. Very hypocritical if you ask me. Perhaps I care more about Iraqi lives than you do? Which wouldn't surprise me.
Not a Wall Street broker but any retard with half a brain and a decent job could save $20,000 in America. How come you couldn't? So much for your academia. ::)
How much gross would an American have to earn to save 20k a year living in NYC?
Really? I was already protesting the bombings and sanctions that led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children in the 90's. What were you doing? What do you think about us stealing their oil? What about Afghanistian?
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nonsense. people in iran burn effigies all day and scream jibberish at the camera.
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How much gross would an American have to earn to save 20k a year living in NYC?
Really? I was already protesting the bombings and sanctions that led to the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children in the 90's. What were you doing? What do you think about us stealing their oil? What about Afghanistian?
NYC? That's one of the most expensive places to live in the country. Regardless, I know people making $60k a year in NYC as entry level i-bankers that manage to save $15k+. They're pretty smart though, unlike you.
So, you were "protesting" the bombings but you want us to pull out now and watch as Iraq tears itself apart? You're ok with the extra 1/2 million that will die as a result of the civil war that would no doubt result from our leaving? That's pretty hypocritical. That leads me to believe that you couldn't give two flying fucks about Iraqis. Which is most likely true. You shit all over Americans and Koreans, why not Iraqis? You care about yourself and your agenda.
So we're "stealing" their oil apparently? Never mind the fact their government operated at a $30 billion surplus last year and we've barely seen any of that oil we're supposedly "stealing". ::)
I honestly believe you just say whatever pops into your head. You have absolutely no grasp of anything military, history or current events.
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NYC? That's one of the most expensive places to live in the country. Regardless, I know people making $60k a year in NYC as entry level i-bankers that manage to save $15k+. They're pretty smart though, unlike you.
So, you were "protesting" the bombings but you want us to pull out now and watch as Iraq tears itself apart? You're ok with the extra 1/2 million that will die as a result of the civil war that would no doubt result from our leaving? That's pretty hypocritical. That leads me to believe that you couldn't give two flying fucks about Iraqis. Which is most likely true. You shit all over Americans and Koreans, why not Iraqis? You care about yourself and your agenda.
So we're "stealing" their oil apparently? Never mind the fact their government operated at a $30 billion surplus last year and we've barely seen any of that oil we're supposedly "stealing". ::)
I am from NYC. I cited it for that reason. Bankers, yes. Students who studied German, Latin and Lingusitics? Likely not. Also how many hours are they working? I know people here who work 12 hour work weeks with 6 months paid vacation and save 30k a year. Who has that amount of freetime in the states? What red state are you from sir?
I have stated my position many times. I am essentially a Libertarian. That means people have a right to be left alone without government authority (of whatever nation) weighing down on them. That applies to Iraqis, Palestinians, Americans, French, everyone. Invading countries, sanctions, bombing people; that is not leaving people in peace.
BTW, why according to you did we go into Iraq? Why?
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I am from NYC. I cited it for that reason. Bankers, yes. Students who studied German, Latin and Lingusitics? Likely not. Also how many hours are they working? I know people here who work 12 hour work weeks with 6 months paid vacation and save 30k a year. Who has that amount of freetime in the states? What red state are you from sir?
I have stated my position many times. I am essentially a Libertarian. That means people have a right to be left alone without government authority (of whatever nation) weighing down on them. That applies to Iraqis, Palestinians, Americans, French, everyone. Invading countries, sanctions, bombing people; that is not leaving people in peace.
BTW, why according to you did we go into Iraq? Why?
Iraq exports 1.6 million barrels of oil a day and it continues to increase. You would think if we were stealing all this oil the price of futures wouldn't be skyrocketing. Interesting.
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Iraq exports 1.6 million barrels of oil a day and it continues to increase. You would think if we were stealing all this oil the price of futures wouldn't be skyrocketing. Interesting.
You didn't answer my question. Why did the USA invade Iraq?
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You didn't answer my question. Why did the USA invade Iraq?
oil and the dollar.
WMD was silly fodder for gullible people whose morals prevented them from accepting imperialism, even though it's been the way of the world since the beginning of time.
i don't think any intelligent people will say it's not about oil. Bush himself admitted it was about controlling the oil.
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oil and the dollar.
WMD was silly fodder for gullible people whose morals prevented them from accepting imperialism, even though it's been the way of the world since the beginning of time.
i don't think any intelligent people will say it's not about oil. Bush himself admitted it was about controlling the oil.
I want Beserk to give the answer, not you.
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I addressed your IQ post. Let's be honest, sugar tits, no one with a claimed IQ of 160 (like you first claimed) would accidentally "forget" and only remember their IQ was "140" after someone pointed out that Einstein had an IQ of 160. You're a liar and a swindler.
"Michael is the creator of "Jaguar Enterprises".
He was arrested September 26, 2004 and has been in jail since then.
Michael was arrested for
1) Selling medical devices not approved by the FDA
2) Exaggerating their effectiveness (a federal criminal offense)
His trial is scheduled for May 2nd, 2005. The judge scheduled for this case is Rudolph Randa."
Michael Forrest is an individual I do not know, have never met, and have absolutely nothing to do with.
He, like me, is just one of the many people and firms who have over the years named their businesses "Jaguar Enterprises" There is no connection between the two. Just as I have no connection to the Welsh dollmaker, the Indian engineering firm, the Texas Karaoke singer, the California based financial firm or the international car manufacturer, or any of the myriad companies ...all of which use the moniker Jaguar Enterprises
Hope That Clarifies
Yes, gas caps are legitimate!
As a matter of fact, ...they are! (http://www.jaguarenterprises.net/images/em/whistle.gif)
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Iran needs to pay for what Osama did on 911.
911... Is that the TV-series with William Shatner?
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911... Is that the TV-series with William Shatner?
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no comments from anyone on the actual pictures, everything aside. looks kinda normal. Shocking to not see the 7 foot winged bloodsucking leeches with 12 inch stingers.
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no comments from anyone on the actual pictures, everything aside. looks kinda normal. Shocking to not see the 7 foot winged bloodsucking leeches with 12 inch stingers.
I thought the girl in the first picture was kinda hot! Then I read some people describing non-communist countries as second world and realised that the world is truly uneducated ::)
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Damn! I leave for 10 minutes and I find this thread on page 13,522, right next to "Do you like my pussy?". Anyway, I'm back from the bathroom so if anyone wants to take up the subject I'm all for it. It's good to see other people, besides Bezerk or HH6, gettin in hiah and talking about how good we are and how bad the rest of the world is.
We torture. We execute. We keep people in legalized concentration camps (we call them jails). What makes us "good" and Iran, which pretty much does the same thing, "bad"? Bezerk has made it clear, in his many posts, that the difference is that the Iranian government kills 50 homosexuals per year, while our patriotic heteros kill only about 5-10 per year (and beat the shit out of 10 times that much), hence we're "more better".
Many people say the "moral rot" is in the numbers. Other people say that the problem is that it is the Iranian government (and all that we really know about it, which is A LOT of course, ::) ::),) killing innocent gay men and women, while in the USA it's only "misguided" Americans.
In essence, to many people, many Americones I'd say, homophobia is not the problem, it's the AMOUNT of people dying from the the problem and WHO is doing the killing that is really the heart of the problem.
Vat do you sink?.
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Damn! I leave for 10 minutes and I find this thread on page 13,522, right next to "Do you like my pussy?". Anyway, I'm back from the bathroom so if anyone wants to take up the subject I'm all for it. It's good to see other people, besides Bezerk or HH6, gettin in hiah and talking about how good we are and how bad the rest of the world is.
We torture. We execute. We keep people in legalized concentration camps (we call them jails). What makes us "good" and Iran, which pretty much does the same thing, "bad"? Bezerk has made it clear, in his opinion, that the difference is that the Iranian government kills 50 homosexuals per year, while our patriotic heteros kill only about 5-10 per year (and beat the shit out of 10 times that much), hence we're more better.
Many people say the "moral rot" is in the numbers. for example many people say that the problem is that it is the Iranian government, and all that we really know about it, which is A LOT of course, ::) ::), killing innocent gay men and women, while in the USA is "misguided" Americans.
In essence, to many people, many Americones I'd say, homophobia is not the problem, it's the number of people dying from the the problem and WHO is doing the killing that is really the heart of the problem.
Vat do you sink?.
Exellent point. But remember, to HH6 and Beserker, the USA can do no wrong; neither can its citizens.
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaa..........I take u have suffered from being gay bashed.....who cares. Do u loose sleep over GITMO or people in prison. Get back to me when ur balls drop.
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Do u loose sleep over GITMO or people in prison.
I must admit, no.
I lost sleep last night because I was out of Cookies n Cream ice cream, and I wanted some.
I like to argue with you guys because it's fun, but I don't lose sleep over politics, ever.
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no comments from anyone on the actual pictures, everything aside. looks kinda normal. Shocking to not see the 7 foot winged bloodsucking leeches with 12 inch stingers.
HAHA
I have to admit I was surprised by the pictures. I didn't know much about Iran, but from what I had heard and seen on TV I pictured it being similar to North Korea or something.
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HAHA
I have to admit I was surprised by the pictures. I didn't know much about Iran, but from what I had heard and seen on TV I pictured it being similar to North Korea or something.
I've actually heard that it is a beautiful country, where people treat you with respect and where everything is DIRT CHEAP. I heard gasoline is something like 10 cents per litre. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Now, if you are looking for a Hooters place... you won't most likely find it in downtown Teheran. Although I'm sure something could be arranged with a few extra dollars.
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Damn! I leave for 10 minutes and I find this thread on page 13,522, right next to "Do you like my pussy?". Anyway, I'm back from the bathroom so if anyone wants to take up the subject I'm all
LOLOLOL... I was actually kind of shocked by the thread too. I don't usually hit the mark in epic threads.
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I've actually heard that it is a beautiful country, where people treat you with respect and where everything is DIRT CHEAP. I heard gasoline is something like 10 cents per litre. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Now, if you are looking for a Hooters place... you won't most likely find it in downtown Teheran. Although I'm sure something could be arranged with a few extra dollars.
I know I actually, for no reason, have to pay out the ass for some products because of the BS placed on Iran. I got pissed one day wondering why I was paying so much for something and did some research. Turns out one of the main ingredients is primarily produced in Iran. Fucking piss me off. I would say what but it would give away my proffession and I don't want to do that. No reason, just don't.
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I know I actually, for no reason, have to pay out the ass for some products because of the BS placed on Iran. I got pissed one day wondering why I was paying so much for something and did some research. Turns out one of the main ingredients is primarily produced in Iran. Fucking piss me off. I would say what but it would give away my proffession and I don't want to do that. No reason, just don't.
You're still selling those camel piss-based cosmetics?!
All jokes aside, if the US or Israeli armies, with American help of course, do something to this country then we can pretty much kiss good bye any international credibility for the next 10 millenia.
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You're still selling those camel piss-based cosmetics?!
All jokes aside, if the US or Israeli armies, with American help of course, do something to this country then we can pretty much kiss good bye any international credibility for the next 10 millenia.
You're an evil Lib! Die! ;D