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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: DIVISION on June 26, 2008, 06:30:37 PM
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I'm amazed at how sparse the market is with all the recent busts......
I'm talking about pharmaceutical grade sources.......
The Feds have really made it a mission to put a dent in the AAS market and it's hurting right now.
Even the UG market is bare, alot of people closing shop or taking long vacations.
Never thought it would get this bad.......
Those of you who have reliable sources.........you'd better hold on to them tight and hope they don't get popped or turn scammer.
These are desperate times. :-X
DIV
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stop it ! your scaring me :-\
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A lot of it has to do with powder prices dramatically increasing along with shipping costs increased quite a bit as well.
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it will be back!
in few years...
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I have noticed this as well, but seems to be picking up a little in my town.
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A lot of it has to do with powder prices dramatically increasing along with shipping costs increased quite a bit as well.
It's the combined cost of doing business............not only is the cost higher for powders but the number of wholesale powder sources had decreased.
When the FatCat was caught in Thailand, it scared off alot of people.
US Customs has also put a dent in the amount of shipments getting through.
Certain countries have a hard time sending product to the US.
It's gotten to the point that having product shipped here is becoming too expensive, not to mention re-send policies for seizures.
These sources are passing the costs on to the end user and it's getting expensive. :-X
DIV
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gh15 was right then....
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Sucks doesnt it!
Im crying tears over here.
You crying TB?
Im sad as F---
;D
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Yeah!
Drought went about 3 deep
In my arm
Where's the two fingures in the air smiley face ;D
GH, just thinkin of you buddy.
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This thread is worse than the leftist newspaper scare/shock articles...
Don't worry guys just keep on keeping on and don't let this sort of of alarmist garbage get to you.
Where there is a will there is a way. Also remember when there is financial incentive there are people eagerly behind it.
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Many are lost, but more remain, in the dark, hidden from the public and doing quite well...
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Good time for legal HRT!
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Many are lost, but more remain, in the dark, hidden from the public and doing quite well...
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Agreed. It's still out there...it's not as easy to get as it was 3 or even 5 years ago, but you can still get most things fairly fast...or rather, in a decent time frame. All things, no, but most.
Let the Olympics pass and things will loosen up IMO
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If you live in the states then yes things have "dried" up. But as far as living in other parts of the world I think there has never been more access to human grade gear. Especially in Eastern Europe. ICN's for $3/amp?????????????????????????
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i don't understand this, for those of us 30 and above, why not LEGAL HRT where you know exactly what you are getting!
underground sources are gettin expensive, seizures going up, and you MAY be getting legit gear, or unsterile peanut oil.... there is clearly no difference. sure HRT is slightly expensive, but no felony charges, no injecting who-knows-what into your body!!!
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i don't understand this, for those of us 30 and above, why not LEGAL HRT where you know exactly what you are getting!
underground sources are gettin expensive, seizures going up, and you MAY be getting legit gear, or unsterile peanut oil.... there is clearly no difference. sure HRT is slightly expensive, but no felony charges, no injecting who-knows-what into your body!!!
How is the quality control with the compounding pharmacies/HRT clinics? I suspect they are using Chinese powders sometimes... but I don't know. I do know some of the HRT clinics were prescribing Chinese hGH as per some newspaper articles.
And the clinics aren't totally legal operations a lot of times. If they were there wouldn't have been busts.
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i don't understand this, for those of us 30 and above, why not LEGAL HRT where you know exactly what you are getting!
underground sources are gettin expensive, seizures going up, and you MAY be getting legit gear, or unsterile peanut oil.... there is clearly no difference. sure HRT is slightly expensive, but no felony charges, no injecting who-knows-what into your body!!!
Legal HRT = 250mgs of testosterone a month. Hardly enough to elicit muscle growth. Especially if your bloodwork shows a legitimate need for it and is in the low end Secondly, let's say a doctor does prescribe HRT for you. He gets your levels back in the normal range say around 700-800. You decide to take 2-3 times the dose he prescribed and 6 months later he sees that your levels are 4000 ng/dl!!!!!!!!!!!! That would piss most doctors off. Just because you go to an HRT doctor does not mean they are going to condone your steroid use for bodybuilding. Nowadays with the stigma surrounding GH/Anabolics quite the opposite. Doctors practice for the most part out of fear of litigation. We've become a litigious society. All doctors really care about is making sure all their bases are covered so they don't get sued.
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HRT may seem a little in the grey area, but at least its a doctor prescribed substance... no felony charges!
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Legal HRT = 250mgs of testosterone a month. Hardly enough to elicit muscle growth. Especially if your bloodwork shows a legitimate need for it and is in the low end Secondly, let's say a doctor does prescribe HRT for you. He gets your levels back in the normal range say around 700-800. You decide to take 2-3 times the dose he prescribed and 6 months later he sees that your levels are 4000 ng/dl!!!!!!!!!!!! That would piss most doctors off. Just because you go to an HRT doctor does not mean they are going to condone your steroid use for bodybuilding. Nowadays with the stigma surrounding GH/Anabolics quite the opposite. Doctors practice for the most part out of fear of litigation. We've become a litigious society. All doctors really care about is making sure all their bases are covered so they don't get sued.
2 things here.
1. HRT clinincs use FDA approved powders/chemicals, not chinese crap that would be completely legal!
2 HRT docs are specialists, so its expected they scribe more scripts (like a pain medicine doc writing for narcotics, yes they are going to write more)...also, there is no national databank of perscriptions, so one rarely knows how much of what a doc is perscribing,,,especially the case with compounding pharmacies...
and bottom line, ethical or not, at least you have steroids with a doctor's name on it, should prevent a felony charge...(case happened in FLA, and 3 people were let off...)
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1. HRT clinincs use FDA approved powders/chemicals, not chinese crap that would be completely legal!
Are you sure most of them do this? Remember the Signature Pharmacy bust? Chinese hormone powders and hGH.
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ok, even if chinese powders, better than some unsterile peanut oil,,,,and still somewhat legal.
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Are you sure most of them do this? Remember the Signature Pharmacy bust? Chinese hormone powders and hGH.
How is using Chinese powders to compound pharmaceutical grade hormones for patients legal? It's not at all. And just because it may be compounded in a sterile still air environment, doesn't mean jack squat if the powder is full of impurities to begin with.
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ok, even if chinese powders, better than some unsterile peanut oil,,,,and still somewhat legal.
The ones compounding the drugs probably do a better job at it than someone filtering it in his kitchen but you still don't know what possible contaminants are in the hormone powders.
I agree that it insulates you at least somewhat having a prescription.
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How is using Chinese powders to compound pharmaceutical grade hormones for patients legal? It's not at all. And just because it may be compounded in a sterile still air environment, doesn't mean jack squat if the powder is full of impurities to begin with.
Yup, not legal though the patient is protected legally to some extent.
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How is using Chinese powders to compound pharmaceutical grade hormones for patients legal? It's not at all. And just because it may be compounded in a sterile still air environment, doesn't mean jack squat if the powder is full of impurities to begin with.
at least it's doc prescribed, so its not a felony.
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yupp, just saw your post...
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This thread is worse than the leftist newspaper scare/shock articles...
Don't worry guys just keep on keeping on and don't let this sort of of alarmist garbage get to you.
Where there is a will there is a way. Also remember when there is financial incentive there are people eagerly behind it.
^That's ironic, coming from someone who supports the "sport" and wants us to buy "magazines" and "supplements".
Give me a break, bro.
I know more sources than you know magazines and I'm telling you the good pharmaceutical grade sources are selling out and leaving because it's getting too dangerous.
You don't have to believe me, but it's the sources who are the ones telling me this.
Many are lost, but more remain, in the dark, hidden from the public and doing quite well...
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UG?
Yes.
Pharmaceutical grade?
Not so much.
Let the Olympics pass and things will loosen up IMO
Yes, after the Olympics some of the better UG's will be up and running again.
I don't necessarily think waiting until after will decrease the amount of busts though.
How is using Chinese powders to compound pharmaceutical grade hormones for patients legal? It's not at all. And just because it may be compounded in a sterile still air environment, doesn't mean jack squat if the powder is full of impurities to begin with.
Exactly.
I don't put alot of faith in compounding pharmacies, in some cases they may be just one step up from UG quality.
For me it's all about pharmaceutical grade products.
You ever hear of someone getting a bad batch of Organon Sustanon?
I'm going to take that guarantee every time.
DIV
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I definitely is a little harder now....I had a stand up reliable dude (SJ for those who know) who sunk and have been struggling. BUT, they are out there, even for us Canucks :)
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UG?
Yes.
Pharmaceutical grade?
Not so much.
ORD shut down the China connection mainly. UG = mainly Chinese raw material. So why are you saying UG labs are still operational while pharmaceutical grade sources are shut down? Makes no sense to me. Euro gear can still be had like before from what I can see. Are you talking about US domestic sources?
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ORD shut down the China connection mainly. UG = mainly Chinese raw material. So why are you saying UG labs are still operational while pharmaceutical grade sources are shut down? Makes no sense to me. Euro gear can still be had like before from what I can see. Are you talking about US domestic sources?
Bildernuggs,
Your old avatar was better.......
I'm talking about pharmaceutical grade sources both foreign and domestic..........not as many as there used to be before all the Federal stings.
Things have just gotten tighter, that's all.
Of course I can still import from an international source, but going through all the bullshit that comes with it gets tiring.
Customs is no cakewalk anymore.
DIV
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Bildernuggs,
Your old avatar was better.......
I'm talking about pharmaceutical grade sources both foreign and domestic..........not as many as there used to be before all the Federal stings.
Things have just gotten tighter, that's all.
Of course I can still import from an international source, but going through all the bullshit that comes with it gets tiring.
Customs is no cakewalk anymore.
DIV
What makes you think ICN, Organon, or Abruhain, or any other "human" grade company doesn't get their raw material from china? U.S. companies get most of their raw powders from China nowadays. Hence why there was a huge Heparin scare a while back. They traced it back to China. Now I'm sure there are better raw suppliers than others in China but it's still China.
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What makes you think ICN, Organon, or Abruhain, or any other "human" grade company doesn't get their raw material from china? U.S. companies get most of their raw powders from China nowadays. Hence why there was a huge Heparin scare a while back. They traced it back to China. Now I'm sure there are better raw suppliers than others in China but it's still China.
I didn't say where they got their raw powders from.
I did a bulk order with a Chinese supplier several years ago and their products were all quality.
I'd have to assume their powders were from China as well.
You can't assume the quality of a source just because of the country it comes from.
DIV
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stop it ! your scaring me :-\
this is not a joke. it is serious!!!!!
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there's plenty of good gear outthere, definately not as many sources but still is pretty easy to find whathever you need. At least humulin still doesnt require prescription...thank god
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yeah, it is coming back. That is all I am saying on this matter :)
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REPEAT AFTER ME...
Supply and demand.
This is not the first time we have been through this. most of the vets here know what i'm talking about.
8)
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REPEAT AFTER ME...
Supply and demand.
This is not the first time we have been through this. most of the vets here know what i'm talking about.
8)
Yes, but it's amazing to me how tight things have become.
That was the point of the post.
I can't do a bulk order the same way I could several years ago.
Costs are higher, customs are tighter........the dollar is weaker.
It's depressing.
DIV
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does anybody have a source for ancilleries....i'm almost out....message me...
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DIVISION and Overload,
I'm in a vacation in Middle East like every summer and it's unbelievable how much gear they have. They have everything they want and they have some stuffs that I have never heard we have them or use them here in US.
For me it's really easy to make my cycle during the summer here in Middle East because you guys did not wanna help me when I asked for help. It's business guys and still don't wanna help.
Do DIVISION and Overload remember this???
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=191859.0
I still wish some help from you guys and remember it's a business guys.
I hope everything is going great with you
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DIVISION and Overload,
I'm in a vacation in Middle East like every summer and it's unbelievable how much gear they have. They have everything they want and they have some stuffs that I have never heard we have them or use them here in US.
For me it's really easy to make my cycle during the summer here in Middle East because you guys did not wanna help me when I asked for help. It's business guys and still don't wanna help.
Do DIVISION and Overload remember this???
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=191859.0
I still wish some help from you guys and remember it's a business guys.
I hope everything is going great with you
FYI
a lot of HG gear in the USA is from the middle east. ;)
i'm not a drug dealer and never have been(so how could i have helped you?), in fact, I am the one who ran that guy ZEEK off this board. even when the mods and members said ZEEK was a good bro, i called bullshit...you're welcome.
Good luck dude,
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FYI
a lot of HG gear in the USA is from the middle east. Wink
i'm not a drug dealer and never have been(so how could i have helped you?), in fact, I am the one who ran that #### ZEEK off this board. even when the mods and members said ZEEK was a good bro, i called bullshit...you're welcome.
Good luck dude,
Cool
bro, I did not say you are a drug dealer. All what I want from you is introducing me to your source and I'll be like you and any customer ;)
even if you don't wanna help, I love having some friends and thank you very much.
by the way, how do they can bring some GH from the Middle East? May be I can bring some for me ;D
take care bro
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Div:
you are correct my friend, things are not the way they use to be thats for sure, but nothing is no more.
The gear isn't floating around as deep as it did at one time, and the custom thing, and people getting raided on kills the market.
But hopefully theres a light at the end of the tunnel, especially if main stream sports stay out of the news, or better yet the players of the sports.
Great thread!
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DIVISION and Overload,
I'm in a vacation in Middle East like every summer and it's unbelievable how much gear they have. They have everything they want and they have some stuffs that I have never heard we have them or use them here in US.
For me it's really easy to make my cycle during the summer here in Middle East because you guys did not wanna help me when I asked for help. It's business guys and still don't wanna help.
Do DIVISION and Overload remember this???
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=191859.0
I still wish some help from you guys and remember it's a business guys.
I hope everything is going great with you
You lil' anabolic slut!
Must be fun! >:(
DIV