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Because i have and addiction, i go to a sex addicts group, for my addiction to porn. That is why i believe porn it is evil
It doesn't work for everyone, but I when I was younger, I had a sip of beer, hated the stuff, and never had much of a 'desire' for it. So, for almost my entire life, I haven't drunk that much alcohol. Over the past decade, I've had drinks maybe 5-6 times per year...although that's gonna go WAY up this year. lol
My parents and grandfather all smoked back then as well and I hated smoke. I tried smoking a cigarette once as a teenager and then participated in a fraternity smoker in college and haven't touched the stuff since.
With regards to pornographic images, I first saw stuff a long, long time ago, and back then, it was a thrill to find an old Playboy or Penthouse. I wasn't raised to obsess over or to be ashamed of my body or sexuality (that's what Mormonism teaches, though), but because I had common sense, my parents didn't have to talk to me about pornography - or drugs, for that matter - at all. Like alcohol, I 'consume' it in moderation.
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Common sense isn't very common. :)
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I agree.
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It's like a rapist saying vaginas are all evil.
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It doesn't work for everyone, but I when I was younger, I had a sip of beer, hated the stuff, and never had much of a 'desire' for it. So, for almost my entire life, I haven't drunk that much alcohol. Over the past decade, I've had drinks maybe 5-6 times per year...although that's gonna go WAY up this year. lol
My parents and grandfather all smoked back then as well and I hated smoke. I tried smoking a cigarette once as a teenager and then participated in a fraternity smoker in college and haven't touched the stuff since.
With regards to pornographic images, I first saw stuff a long, long time ago, and back then, it was a thrill to find an old Playboy or Penthouse. I wasn't raised to obsess over or to be ashamed of my body or sexuality (that's what Mormonism teaches, though), but because I had common sense, my parents didn't have to talk to me about pornography - or drugs, for that matter - at all. Like alcohol, I 'consume' it in moderation.
What does that have to do with a free society?
With pornography becoming more and more common, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill. The rise in petofiles, people need something more.
As to the common sense thing i applaud you on being the exceptional human being and being able to control yourself. 99% of the human race isnt like that, just look at most college kids, they have to go extreme. Getting drunk all the time, smoking weed, lots of unprotected sex.
My porn addiction, you would call normal male behavior, but choose i to hold myself to a higher standard. i dont blame porn for my addiction, i only blame myself for my action. I need to learn to master myself. God gives us demons and challenges to over come to make us stronger and better people
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What does that have to do with a free society?
With pornography becoming more and more common, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill. The rise in petofiles, people need something more.
As to the common sense thing i applaud you on being the exceptional human being and being able to control yourself. 99% of the human race isnt like that, just look at most college kids, they have to go extreme. Getting drunk all the time, smoking weed, lots of unprotected sex.
My porn addiction, you would call normal male behavior, but choose i to hold myself to a higher standard. i dont blame porn for my addiction, i only blame myself for my action. I need to learn to master myself. God gives us demons and challenges to over come to make us stronger and better people
LOL!!!
I bet you wrassle that demon on a regular basis. :)
You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.
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LOL!!!
I bet you wrassle that demon on a regular basis. :)
You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.
I am 100% SERIOUS!
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I am 100% SERIOUS!
Seriously silly.
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You must be a gimmick, no one is this silly.
Believe it or not, they really are that wacky.
I married into the culture (long story), but trust me, Gen is 100% legit. He's not making this stuff up...if he were to endorse the 'good' in porn, he's probably afraid he'd be excommunicated or at a minimum, he would be denied 'blessings of the spirit'.
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Believe it or not, they really are that wacky.
I married into the culture (long story), but trust me, Gen is 100% legit. He's not making this stuff up...if he were to endorse the 'good' in porn, he's probably afraid he'd be excommunicated or at a minimum, he would be denied 'blessings of the spirit'.
I'm not convinced "the culture" is responsible for dumassedness.
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How is Porn good for a free society?
I think genrommel has a point here "With pornography becoming more and more common or accessible, people need more and more extreme images to get the same thrill." This is the same with every vice though; frequent users or addicts build up tolerances and there becomes a need to get higher.
I think those that look at pornography have other issues that need to be attended to.
I think it’s a cry for intimacy; something deep inside that they are missing but are trying to obtain only artificially.
Pornography is a perversion of the intimacy that should be shared by a man and a woman and in privacy. Not like two dogs humping for everyone to see (or pay to see). Most people I know that view porn are hypocrites anyway especially the men with daughters. Most when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.
Genrommel you don’t need a group to help you out, you need true intimacy; Porn has only perverted that truth. Find a mate that will compliment you mentally, sexually, emotionally, physically and spiritually and you won’t have a desire for porn.
Porn destroys, case closed!
HM out!
P.S. I would like to add that I have also been snared at times by this reproachable behavior and absolutely vile representation of human sexuality.
I believe the women that are engrossed in the business have been manipulated financially, emotionally and sexually.
Many want to be mainstream actresses but have been forced into this line of work to survive or support some other form of depravity that they have been thrust into or have become addicted to.
I blame no one but their fathers, the men who should have protected their daughters from the many forms of predation. Sad existence they live in, many would much rather do something else more respectable.
That counterfeit glamorous life often leads to drug addiction and suicidal tendencies. I know from personal experience. (Family member was in the business).
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pornography is most certainly an addiction.
no different that food, drugs or needles.
a mate who compliments a porn user/addict
mentally, sexually, emotionally, physically and spiritually
isn't going to be much of a person. or vice versa.
who would want to be with that person.
Thankfully the grace of God can deliver us
out of the darkness.
amen
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You guys obviously have issues with porn.
Don't blame porn for the perceived moral weakness its enjoyment brings you. That's as silly as saying outlawing vaginas would end the crime of rape.
Porn is entertainment and should be taken as such. If someone jumped out of a window while trying to emulate Superman, we would all call them stupid. Same for anyone who tried to recreate porn in their 'real' life.
Freedom of religion should have been written "freedom from religion". :)
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Here is Ted Bundy's take on porn:
What we learned from Ted Bundy
By Leilani Corpus
Published March 1989
STARKE, FL (FR) – He was once an assistant director of the Seattle Crime Prevention advisory committee and even wrote a pamphlet instructing women on rape prevention. A one-time Boy Scout with a promising career in Washington state politics, Ted Bundy appeared to be an example of a good, upstanding citizen. But behind the congenial facade lurked a force which landed him in an electric chair in January of this year.
In the last few hours prior to his widely-publicized execution for the murder of as many as 50 young women and girls from Utah, Washington, Idaho, Colorado and Florida, the serial killer asked Christian psychologist James Dobson to visit him at the Florida State Prison. Bundy had corresponded with Dr. Dobson – a former member of President Reagan’s Commission on Pornography – for two years prior to their meeting. While anxious reporters waited outside, Bundy told Dobson about the influence of pornography on his behavior.
Bundy said he began casually reading soft-core pornography when he was 12 or 13 years old. His friends found pornographic books in the garbage cans in his neighborhood: “(F)rom time to time we would come across pornographic books of a harder nature … a more graphic, explicit nature than we would encounter at the local grocery store,” he told Dobson in the taped interview. “But slowly throughout the years reading pornography began to become a deadly habit.
“My experience with pornography … is once you become addicted to it, (and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction), I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something that is harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement. Until you reach a point where the pornography only goes so far, you reach that jumping off point where you begin to wonder if maybe actually doing it would give you that which is beyond just reading or looking at it.”
Within a few years, those latent desires fueled by pornography were expressed through his first murder. Although Bundy said he did not blame pornography, he explained that pornographic materials shaped and molded his behavior. He also warned the nation that “the most damaging kinds of pornography … are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings out the hatred that is just, just too terrible to describe.”
Bundy said that pornography “snatched me out of my home 20, 30 years ago … and pornography can reach out and snatch a kid out of any house today.” His religious training and morality initially restrained him from acting out his fantasies, but he confessed that finally, “I couldn’t hold back anymore.”
Alcohol supposedly broke the restraints for him to commit his first murder. “What alcohol did in conjunction with exposure to pornography is (sic) alcohol reduced my inhibitions at the same time the fantasy life that was fueled by pornography eroded them further.”
While committing the murders, Bundy said he felt as if he was possessed by “something … awful and alien. There is just absolutely no way to describe first the brutal urge to do that kind of thing, and then what happens is once it has been more or less satisfied and recedes, you might say, or spent, that energy level recedes and basically I become myself again.”
“But basically I was a normal person. I wasn’t some guy hanging out at bars or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, ‘I know there is something wrong with him, you can just tell.’ I was essentially a normal person,” Bundy told Dobson. “The basic humanity and the basic spirit that God gave me was intact, but unfortunately became overwhelmed at times.”
Ted Bundy acknowledged that he deserved the death penalty, even though there were anti-death penalty demonstrators outside his prison cell up until the moment of his execution. “I deserve the most extreme punishment society has,” he said. “But I don’t want to die, I kid you not.”
Dobson said that Bundy wept several times during the interview: “He expressed great regret, remorse for what he had done, for the families that were hurting.” He spent his last night in prayer with a minister from Gainesville, Florida.
Bundy’s last words of confession and warning about pornography are an echo of statistics, research, and reports conducted within the last decade about the link between pornography and sexually violent crime. Unfortunately, many of the warnings in those reports still have not been heeded, and pornography has been taken for granted or considered a necessary evil.
According to a study conducted by a group of psychologists, Neil Malamuth of UCLA, Gene Abel of Columbia University, and William Marshall of Kingston Penitentiary, various forms of pornography can elicit fantasies which may lead to crime. Out of a test group of 18 rapists studied who used ‘consenting pornography’ to instigate a sexual offence, seven of them said that it provided a cue to elicit fantasies of forced sex.
A study released by the University of New Hampshire has proven that the states which have the highest readership of pornographic magazines such as Playboy and Penthouse also have the highest rape rates. The Michigan State Police department found that pornography is used or imitated in 41 percent of the sex crimes they have investigated.
The Free Congress Research and Education Foundation discovered that half of all rapists studied used soft core pornography to arouse themselves prior to seeking out a victim. Although researchers and media analysts may ballyhoo the impact of soft core pornography – claiming protection under the free speech provision of the Constitution – mounting evidence seems to be favoring a national crackdown on porn as a necessary means to stop crime.
In recent years, as more of this type of research has been published, significant gains have been made against pornographers as major retailers have removed porn from their shelves. Ted Bundy’s confessions to Dr. James Dobson – a leader of the largest segment of pro-family forces in the U.S. – promises to fuel the nationwide efforts being made on the state and local levels to eliminate the pornography problem.
http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0332_Ted_Bundy.html
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Here is Ted Bundy's take on porn:
Ted Bundy is your mentor on Porn ::) Oh BB... Don't get dimented on us... That you're a neocon is bad enough, but now you're passing on Bundy's opinions :-\
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The Catholic church had a lot of pedophile priests, should we ban them too?
Don't blame a symptom for the disease.
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You guys obviously have issues with porn.
Don't blame porn for the perceived moral weakness its enjoyment brings you. That's as silly as saying outlawing vaginas would end the crime of rape.
Porn is entertainment and should be taken as such. If someone jumped out of a window while trying to emulate Superman, we would all call them stupid. Same for anyone who tried to recreate porn in their 'real' life.
Freedom of religion should have been written "freedom from religion". :)
I don't think this thread had anything to do with religion.
Anyway, I was answering the question of the thread "whether or not porn is good for a free society" I agree porn is entertainment. But I think porn has influenced many that are, as you call "morally weak" to deceive themselves about sexuality and the other side of that coin is possibly to commit heinous crimes against humanity. Therefore I don’t think porn is GOOD for a free society. Porn objectifies women and gives men a false sense of their role in what could be a healthy sexual relationship. Just because some woman choose to entertain us through porn or even strip clubs does not mean porn or adult enterainment is good for society.
Again I say this:
Pornography is a perversion of the intimacy that should be shared by a man and a woman...
Most people I know (including myself from time to time) that view porn are hypocrites anyway especially the men with daughters. Most when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.
This counterfeit glamorous life often leads to or perpetuates drug addiction and suicidal tendencies. I know from personal experience. (Family member was in the business).
My stand is Porn is not good for a free society, entertaining to many yes and bad for many!
HM
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Ted Bundy is your mentor on Porn ::) Oh BB... Don't get dimented on us... That you're a neocon is bad enough, but now you're passing on Bundy's opinions :-\
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Did outlawing murder stop people from killing?
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Did outlawing murder stop people from killing?
Has murder ever been legal?
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if porn was just simple entertainment, then why are most porn stars victims of severe sexual trauma. rape, incest, etc. It almost seems that the particaptes have to damaged psychologically in order to convince themselves that it is a good thing for them.
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if porn was just simple entertainment, then why are most porn stars victims of severe sexual trauma. rape, incest, etc. It almost seems that the particaptes have to damaged psychologically in order to convince themselves that it is a good thing for them.
Have you seen the VH1 Celebrity Rehab show? Three of the participants have been involved in pornography:
- Mary Ellen Cook (aka Mary Carey)
- Joanie Laurer (former pro wrestler, "Chyna")
- Jaimee Foxworth (child star, played Judy Winslow on "Family Matters" sitcom)
At least two (Laurer and Cook) of them cited abuse in their childhood and adolescent life, which may have played a role in getting into porn. Others cite desperation and lack of money, like Foxworth. She got booted off "Family Matters" due to her parents' demands for more money coupled with that lack of interest in her character ("Judy Winslow"), as the interest in Jaleel White ("Steve Urkel") skyrocketed.
With no new TV roles coming her way, Foxworth turned to drugs and alcohol. And with her money flying away on the wings of eagles (allegedly due to her parents squandering her earnings), she turned to porn, which she now admits was the biggest mistake of her life.
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Most [men] when asked would not want their daughters doing porn.
THis is interesting.
drkaje, would you mind if your daughter(s) did porn?
Tre and Hugo, not sure if either of you have children but if you had a daughter would you mind if she did porn?
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THis is interesting.
drkaje, would you mind if your daughter(s) did porn?
Tre and Hugo, not sure if either of you have children but if you had a daughter would you mind if she did porn?
Well, if your kid is doing porn... there have been a few parenting mistakes along the way. The "what if it were your kid" argument is weak. I'll tell you why but I'm only ever going to write this once so pay very close attention. Asking that question gives others permission to ask; "would you want your kid to be fat?". It asserts that society has the right/responsibility interfere in the lives of others. I'm far more offended by obesity than porn. But my values are personal and the right to enforce them stops at me.
You all are getting off the topic. Point is people's personal failings or religions leanings should not be imposed upon others in a free society. It's a pretty simple point and just because people don't exercise personal responsibility in a manner that agrees with your beliefs doesn't mean their actions should be illegal.
Many other things left up to personal choice get messed up, maybe they should be outlawed too. Outlawing credit cards, children, pets, eating, hot pants on fat women, etc...
Geronimo, for example, thinks porn is evil but still looks at it. Instead of taking personal responsibility, he blames porn and is foolish enough to believe that removing the temptation means there would be no problem.
Wouldn't want one of my kids doing porn but would still love them. A lot of people do far more harmful things in life and to the world than porn. The Enron guys and Invading Iraq are perfect examples of this. :)
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The question still remains "is pornography good for a free society?"
I see no value added but I see a multitude of problems associated with porn.
HM
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The question still remains "is pornagraphy good for a free society?"
I see no value added but I see a multitude of problems associated with porn.
HM
It's not for us to access 'value' based upon cultural/religious mores.
There are tons of things I can't find how/where value is added. :)
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Well, if your kid is doing porn... there have been a few parenting mistakes along the way. The "what if it were your kid" argument is weak. I'll tell you why but I'm only ever going to write this once so pay very close attention. Asking that question gives others permission to ask; "would you want your kid to be fat?".
The question actually wasn't would you want your kid to do porn but would you mind if she did porn.
I'm far more offended by obesity than porn.
Would you rather your daughter did porn or be obese?
Doc, why do you think you are so offended by obesity ???
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The question actually wasn't would you want your kid to do porn but would you mind if she did porn.
Would have to get over it. Can't make every decision for them.
Would you rather your daughter did porn or be obese?
Tough one.
Doc, why do you think you are so offended by obesity ???
Comes with the territory.
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Comes with the territory.
Can you explain more? Are you talking about your work?
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Work in healthcare a while, LOL!
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Work in healthcare a while, LOL!
Oh come on Doc I know you can give a better answer than that, besides I gotta know this one!
You are a man of wisdom please share!
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Oh come on Doc I know you can give a better answer than that, besides I gotta know this one!
You are a man of wisdom please share!
It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.
Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk. :)
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It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.
Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk. :)
I feel you Doc and I understand but being "offended" I am not following! You know there is more to obesity than just over eating. Some obese people have other issues that cause obesity correct? I know they can be a drain on your patience when you have tried to help them but to be offended I don't get this response from a man like yourself.
Stella and I want some clarity!
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Common sense isn't very common. :)
freedom isn't free. :)
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HM, there's nothing to clarify.
Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.
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HM, there's nothing to clarify.
Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.
But what causes the overeating??? Is there not a psychological aspect to overeating. While overeating is the cause of obesity, it also serves as a symptom of a psychological breakdown somewhere.
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Poor is good for a free society you say? I totally ashamed to admit this, but from my own person struggles for years with porn. I've had to take some great measures to flee from the temptations of it. I have the computer in the family room out in the open (has monitoring software that emails my wife weekly, never log on late at night, use my company laptop when working and assure that my wife is with me...the list goes on. I can't even begin to tell you what kind of damage it's done to my relationship with my wife. I've had to work extremely hard to gain some of her trust back. I'm still paying for it, and justifiably so, and will be until the day I die (the images are burned in my brain and can be pulled up at will). It's all been worth it though. The embarrassment, the shame, all of it. Because I'm enjoying what God truly blessed me with in the relationship with my wife. So, no! Porn is NOT good for a free society.
I believe this article to be a correlation to the impact of porn:
Dad who shielded daughter in attack at Valleyfair recovering, wife says
By JIM ADAMS, Star Tribune
July 16, 2008
A woman whose husband was severely beaten trying to protect his daughter from being molested as the family left Valleyfair said Tuesday they remain traumatized and are still healing from bruises and injuries.
Eight young men are accused of taking turns stomping on and kicking the head of the 41-year-old man, who was knocked unconscious as his wife and three daughters tried to help him. Prosecutors say more serious charges could be brought against the men if the man's injuries are permanent.
"He is hanging in there," said his wife, who asked that the family not be identified out of fear for their safety. She didn't recognize their attackers: "I never seen them a day before in my life."
Shakopee police said serious felony assaults are unusual at the amusement park, which normally has a handful of misdemeanor assaults each summer. The park said Tuesday that 22 security guards were on duty the evening of the assault, July 4, when the fair closed at midnight, and that safety is a priority.
Police arrested seven of the suspects in the Valleyfair parking lot that night and the eighth escaped. Police did not have a good description of that suspect but would like help finding him.
Six men and a 14-year-old boy were charged July 8 with third-degree felony assault. More serious charges, and possibly a sex assault charge, may be filed after police finish their investigation, Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said Tuesday.
"This type of violence cannot be accepted in our community," he said. "We had a family at the fair enjoying the holiday. Behavior like this is personal to our community."
Ciliberto said Valleyfair has had "no assault of this magnitude" since he took office in 2002. He said the father was taken to Ridges Hospital in Burnsville for a fractured eye socket bone and other injuries. His office was told Monday that doctors were waiting for the man's swelling to subside before checking for permanent injuries, which could justify more serious charges.
The couple was nearing the exit gate with their three daughters at about midnight on July 4, when two young men approached and slapped the youngest girl, about 12, on her buttocks. Her father yelled at the men, one of whom pulled out a cell phone and called for others to join in on the assault.
The wife said she and her daughters tried to protect her husband, and are still recovering from being punched. Her husband has been home from the hospital for a week .
She said she couldn't say more for fear of hurting the prosecution's case.
The assault "was an isolated incident. This has not happened before," said Valleyfair spokeswoman Rachel Onken. "We are a very safe park." She said the guards handled the incident as they were trained and no immediate security changes are planned.
Shakopee Police Capt. Jeff Tate said Valleyfair has "a skirmish once in a while. We usually don't see anything escalate like this." He said park security officers do a good job and that this is the only felony assault this year. He said a domestic assault occurred in the Valleyfair parking lot in May and two juveniles were charged in June with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault.
One of the suspects, Darris D. Evans, allegedly punched a man in the face as the group left the unconscious father. Evans, 20, of Brooklyn Park, is charged with a misdemeanor assault for that offense, Tate said.
Besides Evans, five other men and an unnamed juvenile were charged with third-degree felony assault. The five are Derry D. Evans, 19, Minneapolis; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18, of Columbia Heights; Terry L. Arnold, 22, Brooklyn Park; Andrew D. Shannon, 19, of Minneapolis, and Anthony C. Gildersleeve, 20, Edina.
Bail was set at $40,000 to $60,000 each and all the suspects posted bail bonds, a jail official said.
A check of state records show that two of the suspects have prior felony charges. Arnold and Evans-Lewis were arrested in an Eagan prostitution sting and charged in April with promoting prostitution in Dakota County. Arnold pleaded guilty in May. Arnold also was convicted of two misdemeanor assaults in 2005 and 2006.
Gildersleeve was convicted in March 2008 of carrying a pistol without a permit in a public place, a misdemeanor. Derry Evans was convicted of escaping from custody in January 2008. He was also convicted in May 2008 of disorderly conduct, a gross misdemeanor.
Staff writer Abby Simons contributed to this report. Jim Adams • 612-673-7658
© 2008 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
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Well, Colo, it's good that you've taken a few steps towards dealing with the porn issue but you've missed one important step: taking responsibility. Porn doesn't have the problem, you do. Putting the computer out in the open, having the spouse monitor, child protection software, etc... stops you from looking at porn but ignores whatever the problem's root cause is.
For example, you talked about someone that eats too much having psych issues. Someone who eats too much because mommy didn't perfectly love them, daddy wasn't emotionally available, no pony for Christmas, etc... will not solve the problem by putting their spouse in control of all the food and eating in front of a mirror. :)
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HM, there's nothing to clarify.
Cases of obesity unrelated to overeating or lack of exercise are relatively rare.
You keep side stepping the question.
Why does obesity offend you?
But what causes the overeating??? Is there not a psychological aspect to overeating. While overeating is the cause of obesity, it also serves as a symptom of a psychological breakdown somewhere.
I agree with Colossus, there has to be something else going on but you are the Doc and we are looking to you to for answers.
Come on man explain it to me (us) like we are 8 yrs old. ???
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Well, Colo, it's good that you've taken a few steps towards dealing with the porn issue but you've missed one important step: taking responsibility. Porn doesn't have the problem, you do. Putting the computer out in the open, having the spouse monitor, child protection software, etc... stops you from looking at porn but ignores whatever the problem's root cause is.
Point well made, doc. However, you're not acknowledging the the root cause - PORN. A root cause is defined as: The underlying reason for the occurrence of a problem. To bring an equation to it, Porn + Temptation = Bad Decision. Porn is the equivalent of Satan talking to Eve in the Garden. And so, the pattern continues.
For example, you talked about someone that eats too much having psych issues. Someone who eats too much because mommy didn't perfectly love them, daddy wasn't emotionally available, no pony for Christmas, etc... will not solve the problem by putting their spouse in control of all the food and eating in front of a mirror. :)
You should know the results of studies done on infants who were ignored (no touch and stoic facial expressions) vs. infants who were loved on (affectionate touch and smiles). Huge difference in those children. And don't even get me started about the lack of a father's love. Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is. A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness.
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...Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is. A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness.
Agree,
Many of these people in porn would not even be there if dad would have done his job in the first place!
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Point well made, doc. However, you're not acknowledging the the root cause - PORN. A root cause is defined as: The underlying reason for the occurrence of a problem. To bring an equation to it, Porn + Temptation = Bad Decision. Porn is the equivalent of Satan talking to Eve in the Garden. And so, the pattern continues.
You should know the results of studies done on infants who were ignored (no touch and stoic facial expressions) vs. infants who were loved on (affectionate touch and smiles). Huge difference in those children. And don't even get me started about the lack of a father's love. Fathers have the greatest impact on what a child's outlook is. A relationship with God, the Father = Peace, Comfort, and Happiness.
Dude,
That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)
HM,
On some level you already know the answer. :)
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Dude,
That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)
HM,
On some level you already know the answer. :)
LOL!
Damn, you're stubborn Doc!
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LOL!
Damn, you're stubborn Doc!
You're the stubborn one, LOL! You already know the answer, why is my writing/saying it so important?
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Dude,
That's like blaming Karl Kox's hands for excessive 'Cracking off'. :)
HM,
On some level you already know the answer. :)
LOL!
Ok, can you explain how porn is good for a free society?
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You all are getting off the topic. Point is people's personal failings or religions leanings should not be imposed upon others in a free society. It's a pretty simple point and just because people don't exercise personal responsibility in a manner that agrees with your beliefs doesn't mean their actions should be illegal.
Many other things left up to personal choice get messed up, maybe they should be outlawed too. Outlawing credit cards, children, pets, eating, hot pants on fat women, etc...
Doc, what do you think the "age of consent" should be? Do you agree that it should be a law?
Another sort of off-topic question for you doc. Do you support the type of healthcare system/coverage that Obama is proposing?
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Porn is an exercise in free will.
Age of consent is 17 in NY. Truth be told I've met people way older too stupid to risk passing their DNA on so it's impossible to say that any legal age prevents teen pregnancies and future problems. In a perfect world, I'd say 18 as long as the kids are automatically emancipated and not entitled to sponge off the parents. :)
Obama is clueless. No one is being honest about what Universal healthcare would really cost or how incompetent the US Govt. is in administering other programs it runs already. We do need something but it has to be realistic and also has to make people be responsible for their own health to some extent. Simply redistributing wealth won't work. At some point govt incompetence, chronic cases and increased life expectancies will push the costs beyond what raising taxes on the rich can afford. The people who can afford a tax increase the least will end up being screwed... even though they use the most healthcare.
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"Porn is an exercise in free will."
sorry that's not true at all.
I'm an ex porn webmaster,
porn is an exercise in organized crime.
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"Porn is an exercise in free will."
sorry that's not true at all.
I'm an ex porn webmaster,
porn is an exercise in organized crime.
A Porn-again Christian? :)
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It's not wisdom, HM! You already know the morbidly obese are a drain. No one is ever going to win a fight with the diabetic's Oreo, LOL! That's just the way life is.
Obviously I'm not talking about a nice big butt or a little extra junk in the trunk. :)
I am morbidly obese. :-\
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Poor is good for a free society you say? I totally ashamed to admit this, but from my own person struggles for years with porn. I've had to take some great measures to flee from the temptations of it. I have the computer in the family room out in the open (has monitoring software that emails my wife weekly, never log on late at night, use my company laptop when working and assure that my wife is with me...the list goes on. I can't even begin to tell you what kind of damage it's done to my relationship with my wife. I've had to work extremely hard to gain some of her trust back. I'm still paying for it, and justifiably so, and will be until the day I die (the images are burned in my brain and can be pulled up at will). It's all been worth it though. The embarrassment, the shame, all of it. Because I'm enjoying what God truly blessed me with in the relationship with my wife. So, no! Porn is NOT good for a free society.
I believe this article to be a correlation to the impact of porn:
Dad who shielded daughter in attack at Valleyfair recovering, wife says
By JIM ADAMS, Star Tribune
July 16, 2008
A woman whose husband was severely beaten trying to protect his daughter from being molested as the family left Valleyfair said Tuesday they remain traumatized and are still healing from bruises and injuries.
Eight young men are accused of taking turns stomping on and kicking the head of the 41-year-old man, who was knocked unconscious as his wife and three daughters tried to help him. Prosecutors say more serious charges could be brought against the men if the man's injuries are permanent.
"He is hanging in there," said his wife, who asked that the family not be identified out of fear for their safety. She didn't recognize their attackers: "I never seen them a day before in my life."
Shakopee police said serious felony assaults are unusual at the amusement park, which normally has a handful of misdemeanor assaults each summer. The park said Tuesday that 22 security guards were on duty the evening of the assault, July 4, when the fair closed at midnight, and that safety is a priority.
Police arrested seven of the suspects in the Valleyfair parking lot that night and the eighth escaped. Police did not have a good description of that suspect but would like help finding him.
Six men and a 14-year-old boy were charged July 8 with third-degree felony assault. More serious charges, and possibly a sex assault charge, may be filed after police finish their investigation, Scott County Attorney Patrick Ciliberto said Tuesday.
"This type of violence cannot be accepted in our community," he said. "We had a family at the fair enjoying the holiday. Behavior like this is personal to our community."
Ciliberto said Valleyfair has had "no assault of this magnitude" since he took office in 2002. He said the father was taken to Ridges Hospital in Burnsville for a fractured eye socket bone and other injuries. His office was told Monday that doctors were waiting for the man's swelling to subside before checking for permanent injuries, which could justify more serious charges.
The couple was nearing the exit gate with their three daughters at about midnight on July 4, when two young men approached and slapped the youngest girl, about 12, on her buttocks. Her father yelled at the men, one of whom pulled out a cell phone and called for others to join in on the assault.
The wife said she and her daughters tried to protect her husband, and are still recovering from being punched. Her husband has been home from the hospital for a week .
She said she couldn't say more for fear of hurting the prosecution's case.
The assault "was an isolated incident. This has not happened before," said Valleyfair spokeswoman Rachel Onken. "We are a very safe park." She said the guards handled the incident as they were trained and no immediate security changes are planned.
Shakopee Police Capt. Jeff Tate said Valleyfair has "a skirmish once in a while. We usually don't see anything escalate like this." He said park security officers do a good job and that this is the only felony assault this year. He said a domestic assault occurred in the Valleyfair parking lot in May and two juveniles were charged in June with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor assault.
One of the suspects, Darris D. Evans, allegedly punched a man in the face as the group left the unconscious father. Evans, 20, of Brooklyn Park, is charged with a misdemeanor assault for that offense, Tate said.
Besides Evans, five other men and an unnamed juvenile were charged with third-degree felony assault. The five are Derry D. Evans, 19, Minneapolis; Devondre Evans-Lewis, 18, of Columbia Heights; Terry L. Arnold, 22, Brooklyn Park; Andrew D. Shannon, 19, of Minneapolis, and Anthony C. Gildersleeve, 20, Edina.
Bail was set at $40,000 to $60,000 each and all the suspects posted bail bonds, a jail official said.
A check of state records show that two of the suspects have prior felony charges. Arnold and Evans-Lewis were arrested in an Eagan prostitution sting and charged in April with promoting prostitution in Dakota County. Arnold pleaded guilty in May. Arnold also was convicted of two misdemeanor assaults in 2005 and 2006.
Gildersleeve was convicted in March 2008 of carrying a pistol without a permit in a public place, a misdemeanor. Derry Evans was convicted of escaping from custody in January 2008. He was also convicted in May 2008 of disorderly conduct, a gross misdemeanor.
Staff writer Abby Simons contributed to this report. Jim Adams • 612-673-7658
© 2008 Star Tribune. All rights reserved.
You and your god; Porn is fine...and it's not your fault, the same genes that gave you your big, black piece of wood and physical genes also give men of your race higher testosterone levels...average of 19% higher...so sex drive is programmed into you...more so than an average white guy.
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You and your god; Porn is fine...and it's not your fault, the same genes that gave you your big, black piece of wood and physical genes also give men of your race higher testosterone levels...average of 19% higher...so sex drive is programmed into you...more so than an average white guy.
First, props to you Colossus for taking responsibility and being brave enough to talk about it. I really admire you.
Second, Deicide, who the heck are you, Adolf Hitler? ??? Where the heck are you getting this "average of 19% higher" testosterone levels and oversexed conclusion?
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A Porn-again Christian? :)
works for me :)
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I am morbidly obese. :-\
Do you blame food? :)
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Do you blame food? :)
No...it is all my fault....my bodyfat levels must be close to 50%.... :-\
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First, props to you Colossus for taking responsibility and being brave enough to talk about it. I really admire you.
Second, Deicide, who the heck are you, Adolf Hitler? ??? Where the heck are you getting this "average of 19% higher" testosterone levels and oversexed conclusion?
Says Rushton, on the basis of many years of research, there exists a clear gradient in many things from yellow to white to black. Asians have somewhat larger brains than whites who have substantially larger brains than blacks. Measured aggressiveness follows the same pattern of a small gap between yellow and white and a larger gap between white and black. The pattern applies for other characteristics: East Asians are lowest in testosterone levels, latest in entering puberty, lowest in size of genitals, degree of criminality, sex drive, rates of fertility, rates of divorce and promiscuity. Blacks are at the other extreme, with whites falling between.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Rushton.shtml
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No...it is all my fault....my bodyfat levels must be close to 50%.... :-\
If you're not joking. Take control of it now, you'll live to annoy people longer and in better health. :)
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Obama is clueless. No one is being honest about what Universal healthcare would really cost or how incompetent the US Govt. is in administering other programs it runs already. We do need something but it has to be realistic and also has to make people be responsible for their own health to some extent. Simply redistributing wealth won't work. At some point govt incompetence, chronic cases and increased life expectancies will push the costs beyond what raising taxes on the rich can afford. The people who can afford a tax increase the least will end up being screwed... even though they use the most healthcare.
That's what I'm talkin' about!!!!!
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First, props to you Colossus for taking responsibility and being brave enough to talk about it. I really admire you.
Second, Deicide, who the heck are you, Adolf Hitler? ??? Where the heck are you getting this "average of 19% higher" testosterone levels and oversexed conclusion?
Thank, Beach. I can't lie, bro, it has been very tough on me and my wife. There's stuff I can never take back. We serve an awesome God, don't we. :D
I didn't catch Deicide's comment. Good grief. ::) The boy is trippin'
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If you're not joking. Take control of it now, you'll live to annoy people longer and in better health. :)
What do you think?, am I joking....?
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Thank, Beach. I can't lie, bro, it has been very tough on me and my wife. There's stuff I can never take back. We serve an awesome God, don't we. :D
I didn't catch Deicide's comment. Good grief. ::) The boy is trippin'
Read what I posted; you guys have higher levels of testosterone...and conversely lower IQs...on average.
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Doc, what do you think the "age of consent" should be? Do you agree that it should be a law?
Whatever the age of consent is, the porn industry is going to push the envelope (if not break it altogether). A prime example is the barely-legal stuff that get heavily marketed (i.e using girls who just turned 18). An off-shoot of that is what some call "virtual child pornography" That is, getting 18-year old girls to dress and act like 12-13 year-old girls.
You may recall that on the first season of "American Idol", one of the contestants, Frenchie Davis, got booted for posing nude on a site called "Daddy's Little Girls". The guy who ran the site was under suspicion of running child porn. And Davis was posing as an underage girl, even though she was 20, when she took the photos.
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Do you blame food? :)
Here I am...morbidly obese by bodybuilding standards... :-\
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I don't worry much about BMI and so on.
Morbidly obese is like 75-100 lbs overweight. People in the hospital who look like Jabba the Hut.
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I don't worry much about BMI and so on.
Morbidly obese is like 75-100 lbs overweight. People in the hospital who look like Jabba the Hut.
By bodybuilding standards anything over 12% is morbidly obese; I am morbidly obese...
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By bodybuilding standards anything over 12% is morbidly obese; I am morbidly obese...
Then that makes two of us, LOL!
I'm confused. Isn't everyone on GetBig 7%bf??
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Then that makes two of us, LOL!
I'm confused. Isn't everyone on GetBig 7%bf??
No, more like 19% or 20%... :-\
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No, more like 19% or 20%... :-\
I'm somewhere in that area but not 150 lbs overweight.
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I'm somewhere in that area but not 150 lbs overweight.
People like this... ;D
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Child abuse.
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Child abuse.
It's just the offseason! ;D
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It's just the offseason! ;D
better genetics for mass than you.
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better genetics for mass than you.
Everyone has... :-\
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Everyone has... :-\
Off subject again, get a grip youngin!