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Typically - obsessive compulsive, and or insecure personalities gravitate towards extreme bodybuilding. Marcus Ruhl type size.... Many of the top pro's you see - ( not all ), risk their health and well being doing extreme things to fulfill a major insecurity regarding their manhood.
A lot of the time, insecure males have a twisted idea of what a real man should be. Overly gigantic and muscular like they see in the comics as a child.....My question is this : are they doing this for the love of weight training, or are they merely trying to receive justification of their manhood from their peers? What drives current bb's to go to the edge of sanity these days? Is it about having a great physique, or waddling out the hugest freakest physique they can attain, and if so why does the IFBB keep encouraging it? Chick, why does the IFBB reward unhealthy circus acts?
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Why did you go back and change your post?
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What an incredibly shallow and idiotic post. Nobody EVER wants to die when they're 45 years old, even if it means watching their wife grow old or living in a nursing home. ::)
Bodybuilders are NOTHING in the grand scheme of things. You are not a superior or enlightened person because you compete in bodybuilding contests. The notion that bodybuilders are more "interesting or exciting" than people who raise families and make a living in the real world is simply laughable. To most people, you are just a self-absorbed bum who hangs around the gym all day and takes steroids.
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Why did you go back and change your post?
Because I noticed that I let a lot of my own theories run in to my question..... I want to know what you guys think.... A serious topic I know, but we have to balance it out to save our street cred.
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Typically - obsessive compulsive, and or insecure personalities gravitate towards extreme bodybuilding. Marcus Ruhl type size.... Many of the top pro's you see - ( not all ), risk their health and well being doing extreme things to fulfill a major insecurity regarding their manhood.
A lot of the time, insecure males have a twisted idea of what a real man should be. Overly gigantic and muscular like they see in the comics as a child.....My question is this : are they doing this for the love of weight training, or are they merely trying to receive justification of their manhood from their peers? What drives current bb's to go to the edge of sanity these days? Is it about having a great physique, or waddling out the hugest freakest physique they can attain, and if so why does the IFBB keep encouraging it? Chick, why does the IFBB reward unhealthy circus acts?
I think your full of shit but thats my opinion. You dont care and I dont care. Lets leave it like that.
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I think your full of shit but thats my opinion. You dont care and I dont care. Lets leave it like that.
Thats fine, now tell me why you think bb's are going to retarded lengths these days?
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Typically - obsessive compulsive, and or insecure personalities gravitate towards extreme bodybuilding. Marcus Ruhl type size.... Many of the top pro's you see - ( not all ), risk their health and well being doing extreme things to fulfill a major insecurity regarding their manhood.
A lot of the time, insecure males have a twisted idea of what a real man should be. Overly gigantic and muscular like they see in the comics as a child.....My question is this : are they doing this for the love of weight training, or are they merely trying to receive justification of their manhood from their peers? What drives current bb's to go to the edge of sanity these days? Is it about having a great physique, or waddling out the hugest freakest physique they can attain, and if so why does the IFBB keep encouraging it? Chick, why does the IFBB reward unhealthy circus acts?
Good post, man.
Let's face it, the IFBB, NPC or whatever other fed/entity encourages these not-so-bright insecure guys/gals, because it makes them money. Reminds me of something like the Amway scam, where the people at the top, make money, but the actual people doing the work, get shit.
I was once a fan of this shit. I can't believe I didn't figure it out sooner. This whole industry is built around lies and deceit. They market these great physiques, which would appear to be the epitome of health and fitness, when in fact they are the complete opposite.
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It's a sport. Nothing to do with qualifying your manhood. There are much better and easier ways to do so if you feel the need.
If the sport bothers you maybe you should take up nitting instead.
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Thats fine, now tell me why you think bb's are going to retarded lengths these days?
I personally think that a lot of these people, really have nothing going for them. So, here they are, working out, perhaps get good results, get noticed, like the attention....and it just takes off from there. If you're a hoodlum, and have no reservations about doing not illegals thing, but damage to your body, comp. bbing is perfect for you.
Some people just don't have their priorities straight. It's one thing to break the law, but to take your health/future for granted..... ??? Then you add the other dirty shit this industry is full of.....and all usually done for a plastic trophy and maybe some little write up in some schmoe magazine.
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It's a sport. Nothing to do with qualifying your manhood. There are much better and easier ways to do so if you feel the need.
If the sport bothers you maybe you should take up nitting instead.
How is it a sport? Please, spare no detail.
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Its ridiculous to even want to be an IFBB pro. Only the top few make money, and they are doing so by seriously affecting their health. Then there are others that rely on "other" types of income, such as G4P :-X
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It's a sport. Nothing to do with qualifying your manhood. There are much better and easier ways to do so if you feel the need.
If the sport bothers you maybe you should take up nitting instead.
I don't think it's a sport, and having played sports at the collegiate level - I don't think nitting would cut it for me. One of the largest triggers of insecurity in males, is not knowing what a real man is..... A lot of the time, people like that have a poor relashonship with the male figure in their life, and they base their self image of what a man is on comics, movies and stereotypes.
Do you agree that bb's are constantly obsessed with what people think of them, and get some kind of rush on proving themselves to other men - in regards to their manliness on stage? Why else would someone risk death over a plastic trophy and poor prize money? Imo, its that your a freak man.....Your giant and shredded, you look like a super hero... Translation a REAL man.
There is nothing wrong with bb, I'm talking about the EXTREME shit you see today.
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Athletes in all sports are into becoming the best of their chosen profession....and many of those sports (and training) are extreme in nature. Not every athlete is insecure or is overcoming some obstacle in life...some are just sports oriented, and thrive on competition.
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I personally think that a lot of these people, really have nothing going for them. So, here they are, working out, perhaps get good results, get noticed, like the attention....and it just takes off from there. If you're a hoodlum, and have no reservations about doing not illegals thing, but damage to your body, comp. bbing is perfect for you.
Some people just don't have their priorities straight. It's one thing to break the law, but to take your health/future for granted..... ??? Then you add the other dirty shit this industry is full of.....and all usually done for a plastic trophy and maybe some little write up in some schmoe magazine.
I agree, would you agree that todays extreme bb's risk their life to hear, "your a real freak man", "you are huge a genetic mutant"....aka, a real superman! Look at the mags, pandering this exact shit.... Get HUGE, be a total MUTANT - going directly after that insecure male willing to do ANYTHING to justify themselves.
What balanced weight trainer would have a stroke if you told them they looked a little smaller, or if they missed a single meal?
I'm not knocking weight training, or even bb's.....I'm talking about this cesspool the industry has become.
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Athletes in all sports are into becoming the best of their chosen profession....and many of those sports (and training) are extreme in nature. Not every athlete is insecure or is overcoming some obstacle in life...some are just sports oriented, and thrive on competition.
I agree somewhat....you don't strike me as being insecure at all. You seem totally balanced, and have good perspective in regards to missing a single meal, or the amounts of supplements you use. However, most are not like you.
What I'm asking is this : does the IFBB (and the industry) target that insecure male willing to do ANYTHING they can to get big, and why does the IFBB reward guys who kill themselves on stage? Chick, for a guys like King there has got to me some reason twhy they literally kill themselves for nothing. Are they searching for that justification of " you the MAN' from their peers, and the judges?
In other sports, their is millions of dollars and world wide fame at stake, I don't see that currently in bb.
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I've found there to be 2 main types of bodybuilder:
1) The bodybuilder that loves bodybuilding.
2) The bodybuilder that fears more what he would be without it.
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I've found there to be 2 main types of bodybuilder:
1) The bodybuilder that loves bodybuilding.
2) The bodybuilder that fears more what he would be without it.
Absolutely, and I think the majority of pros would be # 2. Just my opinion on the subject, ob you know better than I.
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I believe theres a no. 3 which is a mixture
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or maybe bodybuilders are the only ones who are living in reality concerning their physical appearance ???
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Many guys love the attention they get by being the huge freak. I know plenty of guys that cant stand being small, and will try to get huge no matter what. Some love getting attention, others are insecure and have distorted self images.
In the bodybuilders case, they are just taking this to the extreme.
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or maybe bodybuilders are the only ones who are living in reality concerning their physical appearance ???
Maybe on a reasonable level, but you think the top pros have an accurate idea of what an ideal physique ( by bb's original standards) should be? 270 lbs at 5'9? 300 lbs at 5'11?
Think about it, how many bb's would go into shock if they had three ounces of chicken in a meal while preparing for a show. A lot would struggle with it for hours, wondering if they would lose size, or look bad on stage.
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Typically - obsessive compulsive, and or insecure personalities gravitate towards extreme bodybuilding. Marcus Ruhl type size....
not just pro's or those with extreme size.
i would say pretty much anyone who uses an anabolic to gain muscle would fall into this category, and even if you are a natural who doesn't use, but who's whole focus is on 7 meals a day + supplements + not missing workouts is the same.
i think the pastime of working out in general fills a void left from insecurity or poor body image, or not wanting one.
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or maybe bodybuilders are the only ones who are living in reality concerning their physical appearance ???
You know, you could consider any rock star or celebrity as having that "disorder" that your shrink diagnosed you with...in fact I think everyone maintains their own reality according to which ever one allows them to indulge their passions the most free of guilt or shame. Some people just have more pronounced passions than others. You are no doubt certainly one of them though, IMO that is.
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I've found there to be 2 main types of bodybuilder:
1) The bodybuilder that loves bodybuilding.
2) The bodybuilder that fears more what he would be without it.
well said.
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Maybe on a reasonable level, but you think the top pros have an accurate idea of what an ideal physique ( by bb's original standards) should be? 270 lbs at 5'9? 300 lbs at 5'11?
i think its a combonation about being realistic about how you look and wanting to change it, and also being delusional about how you look and hating it.
"bigorexia"-----plus---"shreddedorexia"...= competitive bodybuilder
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I agree somewhat....you don't strike me as being insecure at all. You seem totally balanced, and have good perspective in regards to missing a single meal, or the amounts of supplements you use. However, most are not like you.
What I'm asking is this : does the IFBB (and the industry) target that insecure male willing to do ANYTHING they can to get big, and why does the IFBB reward guys who kill themselves on stage? Chick, for a guy like King there has got to me some reason thet literally kill themselves for nothing. Are they searching for that justification of " you the MAN' from their peers, and the judges?
In other sports, their is millions of dollars and world wide fame at stake, I don't see that currently in bb.
The IFBB doesn't "target" anyone...the BBers target the IFBB as it's the best/ most prstigious BB federation in the world. The judges reward what is the culminative score/ opinion of who is deemed the best on that day...most of the time, it pretty accurate, sometimes it's a mystery. For most BBers, it's not the money, etc....it's winning thats important...thus, the numbers of BBers in the amateurs looking to turn pro. They're not being deceived, or duped..they know perfectly well the payoff (if any)...
No one in the history of BB, got into BB for the money...EVER.
Being a very personal sport, as individualized as it gets....it's most often a very personal achievement and goal thats the real contest.
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The IFBB doesn't "target" anyone...the BBers target the IFBB as it's the best/ most prstigious BB federation in the world. The judges reward what is the culminative score/ opinion of who is deemed the best on that day...most of the time, it pretty accurate, sometimes it's a mystery. For most BBers, it's not the money, etc....it's winning thats important...thus, the numbers of BBers in the amateurs looking to turn pro. They're not being deceived, or duped..they know perfectly well the payoff (if any)...
No one in the history of BB, got into BB for the money...EVER.
Being a very personal sport, as individualized as it gets....it's most often a very personal achievement and goal thats the real contest.
Understandable, but why does the IFBB allow such drug enduced circus level size, and ignore the unhealthy nature of all it's athletes? Surly the IFBB knows that nothing any of it's pros do is attainable without drugs.
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Hey I guess you cant hate on the pros, because they are doing what they want to do. Its their own personal choice to make it their goal to become a pro bodybuilder.
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Understandable, but why does the IFBB allow such drug enduced circus level size, and ignore the unhealthy nature of all it's athletes? Surly the IFBB knows that nothing any of it's pros do is attainable without drugs.
I'll take a stab at this...Because if the IFBB didn't have the biggest guys that have ever walked the planet, then your local gym will have them...And when you could see guys that look like Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman in the guy with there massive bellies and all why would they show up to an IFBB show to see smaller dudes
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Understandable, but why does the IFBB allow such drug enduced circus level size, and ignore the unhealthy nature of all it's athletes? Surly the IFBB knows that nothing any of it's pros do is attainable without drugs.
Because thats what the public wants to see...
That said,you can only judge on whats standing in front of you...in the absense of the ideal physique, there are consessions made. I've seen plenty of shows where the winner was simply the "best of the bunch" in a given line-up...(mostly in the amateurs).
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b]...it's winning thats important...[/b]
you think so? in all honesty i think if i ever got to a top level i wouldnt care about what the judges placed me...id only care about achieving my personal ideal... because as far as "winning" goes; that is very subjective, and also political.
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Chick..Does it bother you what some of these guys are doing to them selves just to please the public?
Huge amounts of drugs , not just hormones all to please a public that wants to see freaks..
What about these guys health?
Somthing needs to be done at the top to stop the mess bodybuilding has become..
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you think so? in all honesty i think if i ever got to a top level i wouldnt care about what the judges placed me...id only care about achieving my personal ideal... because as far as "winning" goes; that is very subjective, and also political.
If someone had that mindset at the pro level...they wouldn't be competing in the first place.
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Chick..Does it bother you what some of these guys are doing to them selves just to please the public?
Huge amounts of drugs , not just hormones all to please a public that wants to see freaks..
What about these guys health?
Somthing needs to be done at the top to stop the mess bodybuilding has become..
No...to each his own.
That "something" you talk about is rweal simple.....reward the physiques that deserve to be winning, or placing higher....and the ugly physiques will disappear
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If someone had that mindset at the pro level...they wouldn't be competing in the first place.
i think alot of guys are like that...dexter jackson, mark dugdale, troy alves, darremm charles would all be good examples of guys who dont give up their own ideal for the sake of placings.
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i think alot of guys are like that...dexter jackson, mark dugdale, troy alves, darremm charles would all be good examples of guys who dont give up their own ideal for the sake of placings.
Thats not what you said...we werent talking about what "ideal" those athletes have.
Every one of those guys mentioned have had to make changes in order to win...
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That "something" you talk about is rweal simple.....reward the physiques that deserve to be winning, or placing higher....and the ugly physiques will disappear
Agree,but who will make this change?
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Thats not what you said...we werent talking about what "ideal" those athletes have.
Every one of those guys mentioned have had to make changes in order to win...
do you think they made changes they didnt want to personally make ? i think they all progressed further towards their vision of ideal and in doing so they moved ahead in placings.
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do you think they made changes they didnt want to personally make ? i think they all progressed further towards their vision of ideal and in doing so they moved ahead in placings.
well i doubt they all want to stick needles in their asses, walk around looking like freaks having people stare at them when they go to grocery store like they are from another planet etc. so yea id say they've made some sacrifices to win/make a living.
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well i doubt they all want to stick needles in their asses, walk around looking like freaks having people stare at them when they go to grocery store like they are from another planet etc. so yea id say they've made some sacrifices to win/make a living.
I think most of these guys thrive on that..they are all attention whores that have the look at me syndrome.
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i think alot of guys are like that...dexter jackson, mark dugdale, troy alves, darremm charles would all be good examples of guys who dont give up their own ideal for the sake of placings.
Just because these guys don't look like that other massive beasts doesn't mean they aren't trying to...Remember that Dugdale went and trained with Dorian...He would be the last guy I would want to go near if i didn't want a massive belly...Dugdale arms are also borderline pathetic...Yet Dorian was his choice...And he came in worse shape then at the national level...The only growing on Dexter has been his belly...Which means he is trying to be one of those massive guys...Or else he would have just done what Shawn Ray did and keep the same bodyweight...Alves and Charles are just toast...They took it as far as they could...Both of these guys are lightweights in heavy weight bodies...
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Understandable, but why does the IFBB allow such drug enduced circus level size, and ignore the unhealthy nature of all it's athletes? Surly the IFBB knows that nothing any of it's pros do is attainable without drugs.
Same can be said about other sports. Steroids are widely used in olympic sports, but you can't catch them.
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Typically - obsessive compulsive, and or insecure personalities gravitate towards extreme bodybuilding. Marcus Ruhl type size.... Many of the top pro's you see - ( not all ), risk their health and well being doing extreme things to fulfill a major insecurity regarding their manhood.
A lot of the time, insecure males have a twisted idea of what a real man should be. Overly gigantic and muscular like they see in the comics as a child.....My question is this : are they doing this for the love of weight training, or are they merely trying to receive justification of their manhood from their peers? What drives current bb's to go to the edge of sanity these days? Is it about having a great physique, or waddling out the hugest freakest physique they can attain, and if so why does the IFBB keep encouraging it? Chick, why does the IFBB reward unhealthy circus acts?
does this go for little closet homosexual high schoolers, such as yourself, who log onto getbig to stroke their cock to sweaty, spread ass shots of these bodybuilders you mentioned??
often at times the homo high schooler has a distorted view of who should take their manhood and gravitate toward 'larger' muscular types to fulfill their gay wants and needs
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I've found there to be 2 main types of bodybuilder:
1) The bodybuilder that loves bodybuilding.
2) The bodybuilder that fears more what he would be without it.
well said
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I personally think that a lot of these people, really have nothing going for them. So, here they are, working out, perhaps get good results, get noticed, like the attention....and it just takes off from there. If you're a hoodlum, and have no reservations about doing not illegals thing, but damage to your body, comp. bbing is perfect for you.
Some people just don't have their priorities straight. It's one thing to break the law, but to take your health/future for granted..... ??? Then you add the other dirty shit this industry is full of.....and all usually done for a plastic trophy and maybe some little write up in some schmoe magazine.
You paint such a pretty picture. :-\
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I used to believe the same as Chick. Not anymore.
I now relaize that EVERYONE in EVERY PROFESSION/HOBBY/SPORT who is amazingly disciplined and committed to being "the best" is doing so to overcome some type of emotional challenge. Addictions are a way to regulate your emotions and make you feel better. Hard work is just an acceptable form addiction in today's scociety. It's even praised.
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You know, you could consider any rock star or celebrity as having that "disorder" that your shrink diagnosed you with...in fact I think everyone maintains their own reality according to which ever one allows them to indulge their passions the most free of guilt or shame. Some people just have more pronounced passions than others. You are no doubt certainly one of them though, IMO that is.
I agree with your point, McFarland. Bodybuilding is no different than other passions. A bodybuilder is an extreme example (of maybe not) of Michael Jackson, pick a rock star, or actors Heath Ledger and Owen Wilson striving to be successful.
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Have to give props to Mike Matarazzo for being totally honest in the new Muscle Mag International. He says he's absolutely sure that steroids caused his heart attack and arterie blockages. Usually all the pros who have kidney failure or heart problems will always claim it's from a "Genetic" disorder.
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The judges reward what is the culminative score/ opinion of who is deemed the best on that day... sometimes it's a mystery.
For example, Rusty Jeffers not winning the Master's Pro as he should have? ;D
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For example, Rusty Jeffers not winning the Master's Pro as he should have? ;D
close...more like why he wasn't 4-5th.
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does this go for little closet homosexual high schoolers, such as yourself, who log onto getbig to stroke their cock to sweaty, spread ass shots of these bodybuilders you mentioned??
often at times the homo high schooler has a distorted view of who should take their manhood and gravitate toward 'larger' muscular types to fulfill their gay wants and needs
Anyone who has been posting here for any length of time, knows I'm not in highschool - nor a homo. Your post is boring and unoriginal, just like your gimmick account :)
Btw, your last post proves my point meatball, you seem to fit the mold for thinking that up.
Hope this helps "spike".
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Because thats what the public wants to see...
That said,you can only judge on whats standing in front of you...in the absense of the ideal physique, there are consessions made. I've seen plenty of shows where the winner was simply the "best of the bunch" in a given line-up...(mostly in the amateurs).
If thats what the public wants, why is bb still a cult sport, and why did mainstream America get turned off during the Yates era? Bb was on espn once upon a time, no? Most average joe's who saw yates back then cringed. Not trying to rag on the guy, just saying.
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I used to believe the same as Chick. Not anymore.
I now relaize that EVERYONE in EVERY PROFESSION/HOBBY/SPORT who is amazingly disciplined and committed to being "the best" is doing so to overcome some type of emotional challenge. Addictions are a way to regulate your emotions and make you feel better. Hard work is just an acceptable form addiction in today's scociety. It's even praised.
Where does taking enough amounts of drugs to kill a horse come into it?
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Have to give props to Mike Matarazzo for being totally honest in the new Muscle Mag International. He says he's absolutely sure that steroids caused his heart attack and arterie blockages. Usually all the pros who have kidney failure or heart problems will always claim it's from a "Genetic" disorder.
So funny, no - the huge amounts of drugs I was taking didn't cause me health problems, it was the advil and my genetics ;) ::)
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close...more like why he wasn't 4-5th.
Chick, are you saying bb judging is fair and unbiased?
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the simple fact is you will never look like anyone who ever walked on the olympia stage, no where even close to them, without alot of consistant drug use.
as far as the gh15 style ABUSE, that is dependant on genetics and crazyness. guy like shawn ray never did that. but a guy like flex wheeler did. chris cormier could be mr. o if he did it, but he didnt.
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I've found there to be 2 main types of bodybuilder:
1) The bodybuilder that loves bodybuilding.
2) The bodybuilder that fears more what he would be without it.
Nice post.......spot on as usual!
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Have to give props to Mike Matarazzo for being totally honest in the new Muscle Mag International. He says he's absolutely sure that steroids caused his heart attack and arterie blockages. Usually all the pros who have kidney failure or heart problems will always claim it's from a "Genetic" disorder.
Yeah i guess 5 to 8 pounds of red meat a day for well over a decade would have zero effect on the heart :-\
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Yeah i guess 5 to 8 pounds of red meat a day for well over a decade would have zero effect on the heart :-\
you are 100 percent correct :D
check out the matarzzo thread, i dont feel like illustrating the point again..