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Great article in the new MUSCLEMAG
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Sounds like he's done with Bbing forever.
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Sounds like he's done with Bbing forever.
yea he def is...................... ..ill scan some pics of the article
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yea he def is...................... ..ill scan some pics of the article
What about you Big Man, are we gonna see you back on stage larger than life. I know you have it in you.
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scan the whole mag and dont forget the supplement ads
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he looks small.
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:D
(judge i loved you in beverly hills cop!,and fast-times!)
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they would only "shoot him" from the neck up (not that it should matter how small he is...after what he's been thru)
i know Mike being "big and freaky" was everything to him........
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I'm surprised nobody brought this up sooner since it was a very good interview by Ron Harris.
Mike simultaneously blames steroids for his health problems while claiming he only used 1,000-1,5000 mg of testosterone per week plus other drugs like GH and cutting agents. I don't have the magazine with me right now, but that is more or less what he said.
I think if he wanted to use his experiences as a cautionary tale he should went into a little more detail both about his dosages and his food intake. But primarily I would think he lied about the dosages he used.
Also I like how on mayhem replies like this will immediately get shutdown with people claiming that "it's genetic" despite Mike himself stating that is not the case. ;D
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he now goes for the health look these days.
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yea he def is...................... ..ill scan some pics of the article
He was a force t be reckoned with back in his day. I miss those freaky arms.
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Reality for bbing is such a letdown after seeing most as such freaks,it is the ultimate illusion.the ones that escape from being sick at least have a chance at keeping some of the look of there old selves.
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mike bragged for years about eating 5 pounds of beef per day.
I'd guess that kind of extreme fat intake had a lot more to do with his heart problems than steroids.
We always hear of 'genetic' heart problems, coincidentally from the guys who had the highest blood pressure and ate the most gluttonous. We always hear of 'genetic' kidney problems from the same guys who most abuse diuretics (even after being told by docs to stop).
I guess it looks better for donations or insurance reasons not to blame self-induced abuse for the ailment.
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maybe he can now mc at shows because he knows alot?
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I'm surprised nobody brought this up sooner since it was a very good interview by Ron Harris.
Mike simultaneously blames steroids for his health problems while claiming he only used 1,000-1,5000 mg of testosterone per week plus other drugs like GH and cutting agents. I don't have the magazine with me right now, but that is more or less what he said.
I think if he wanted to use his experiences as a cautionary tale he should went into a little more detail both about his dosages and his food intake. But primarily I would think he lied about the dosages he used.
Also I like how replies like this will immediately get shutdown with people claiming that "it's genetic" despite Mike himself stating that is not the case. ;D
he actually said :
my cycles were usually around 1,000-1,500 milligrams (all the injectables together) a week during the offseason a bit more pre-contest plus GH and then id cut drugs and the diuretics at the very end"
i find/found Mike to be very open and honest about what he "used"
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he actually said :
my cycles were usually around 1,000-1,500 milligrams (all the injectables together) a week during the offseason a bit more pre-contest plus GH and then id cut drugs and the diuretics at the very end"
i find/found Mike to be very open and honest about what he "used"
That's it. Thanks for posting the actual quote, Mike.
Still seems a little low. Are steroids and bodybuilding drugs really so dangerous that the above would cause such massive heart problems at such a young age? That is something that would really deter me from using, but I don't imagine it is really the case.
Also, to say something positive, my grandfather has 20-25% of his heart function after a massive heart attack he had in 1990. At the time he was given two years to live and is actually still alive and healthy.
I like when people say certain bodybuilders "look healthy" which pretty much just means they aren't dead. ;D Anyway, my point is that if my grandfather could make it 18 years in the same state, it's possible Mike can as well, or possibly even longer.
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one for old times sake Big Mike!
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he actually said :
my cycles were usually around 1,000-1,500 milligrams (all the injectables together) a week during the offseason a bit more pre-contest plus GH and then id cut drugs and the diuretics at the very end"
i find/found Mike to be very open and honest about what he "used"
He's one of the only Pro's who admitted that juice was the reason for his heart problems unlike all the other pros who blame their kidney failures and heart attacks on hereditary conditions. I give him props.
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he actually said :
my cycles were usually around 1,000-1,500 milligrams (all the injectables together) a week during the offseason a bit more pre-contest plus GH and then id cut drugs and the diuretics at the very end"
i find/found Mike to be very open and honest about what he "used"
Don't you think he might lie to make himself look better?
Do you honestly believe what he said?
I hope not.
8)
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Anyway, my point is that if my grandfather could make it 18 years in the same state, it's possible Mike can as well, or possibly even longer.
If Mike manages to stay alive for the next 10 - 20 years, the progress of technology will offer a solution for him that will enable him to live several decades into the future.
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He's one of the only Pro's who admitted that juice was the reason for his heart problems unlike all the other pros who blame their kidney failures and heart attacks on hereditary conditions. I give him props.
And moreover, if the health problems from other bodybuilders were indeed hereditary, that is all the reason why they should never have partaken in the bodybuilding lifestyle to begin with.
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:)
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mike bragged for years about eating 5 pounds of beef per day.
I'd guess that kind of extreme fat intake had a lot more to do with his heart problems than steroids.
We always hear of 'genetic' heart problems, coincidentally from the guys who had the highest blood pressure and ate the most gluttonous. We always hear of 'genetic' kidney problems from the same guys who most abuse diuretics (even after being told by docs to stop).
I guess it looks better for donations or insurance reasons not to blame self-induced abuse for the ailment.
That kind of stuff can happen to anyone. My neighbour is only 37 and she suffered 3 heart attacks and had a triple by pass done as well as one in her leg. I do realize that a lot of poor health is self induced by idiots that cannot take care of themselves but a lot of people can get sick without there being a reason.
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I heard from a source who is half reliable that Mike used to do his share of partying too but I have no idea if that is the case or not.
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Hahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahah
!,000mg a day!!!!!
If anyone believes 1,000mg a week, youre sooooo nieve
Someone showed me his stack years ago.
I couldn't believe it.
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lightened these up a bit
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Some good shit here, Mike.
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Some good shit here, Mike.
seems so long ago now (1990-91 when Mike won the USA's he came to where i was working to hang out,that's where this pic was taken,he had the world by the balls back then!)
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Hey Mike remember this guy back in the day?
Chuck Re?
I think he is like 19 here, and he later on got up to about 360 pounds offseason at about 6'2" and he was an absolute beast. I remember looking over at the Golds Gym Classic (Farnsworth won the lightweights, Quadzilla Demayo guest posed--I still have the VHS tape-LOL) and seeing Re in the audience taking up two seats and thinking "what the.....?" Heck we were probably sitting next to each other Mike and didnt know it.
Demayo, mattarazzo, Author Prince, Chuck Re.....alot of beasts came out of our state Mike (nevermind Terra, Cutler, Jeff King etc etc)
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seems so long ago now (1990-91 when Mike won the USA's he came to where i was working to hang out,that's where this pic was taken,he had the world by the balls back then!)
I seen him here when he competed in the first Toronto pro show. He worked the crowd up hard and his arms were unbleievable.
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All the pros from the 90s absolutely shrink to mortals when off the 'sauce'...are there any real genetic freaks left ?
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All the pros from the 90s absolutely shrink to mortals when off the 'sauce'...are there any real genetic freaks left ?
Thats normal to happen especially once they stop training. Can't be on the gas forever bro.
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lightened these up a bit
Who is that big Mexican guy with Matarazzo?
;)
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Hey Mike remember this guy back in the day?
Chuck Re?
I think he is like 19 here, and he later on got up to about 360 pounds offseason at about 6'2" and he was an absolute beast. I remember looking over at the Golds Gym Classic (Farnsworth won the lightweights, Quadzilla Demayo guest posed--I still have the VHS tape-LOL) and seeing Re in the audience taking up two seats and thinking "what the.....?" Heck we were probably sitting next to each other Mike and didnt know it.
Demayo, mattarazzo, Author Prince, Chuck Re.....alot of beasts came out of our state Mike (nevermind Terra, Cutler, Jeff King etc etc)
chuck re!!! (whatever happened to him?)
lotta great amateurs also ...you know Steve Cantone? (good friend/great guy married now with a kid on the way but was really good back in the early 1990's)
heck where i trained (Golds Gym Everett mass we had Demayo,Matarazzo,"Big Dan Smith",Lucio Paolini,steve cantone,Matt Kline etc)
here is Steve
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I remember walking out of the Palace (didnt you used to bounce there Mike) and seeing the car of a girl Debbie I used to date (she had tinted windows)--she hits the driver side window and says "hey Dante!"....I squat down and say hi and there is Mattarazzo in the passenger seat. For some reason he was in a bad mood and says some shit to me, I said something right back and it was on....he gets out of the passenger side and I walk around the front of the car and we square up. Bouncers break it up with him and me yelling at each other. Would of been a very hardcore scrap because I know he can throw.....but luckily for me that never happened as the rumor was he used to "collect funds" for the Angiulo family (I know you know that name Mike) back in the day. And I sure as hell didnt want to piss off the Angiulo's in any way shape or form. I would end up in that river in back of the Palace with all those other guys they found there--LOL.
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All the pros from the 90s absolutely shrink to mortals when off the 'sauce'...are there any real genetic freaks left ?
what exactly does a "real genetic freak" look like when they don't train?
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I remember walking out of the Palace (didnt you used to bounce there Mike) and seeing the car of a girl Debbie I used to date (she had tinted windows)--she hits the driver side window and says "hey Dante!"....I squat down and say hi and there is Mattarazzo in the passenger seat. For some reason he was in a bad mood and says some shit to me, I said something right back and it was on....he gets out of the passenger side and I walk around the front of the car and we square up. Bouncers break it up with him and me yelling at each other. Would of been a very hardcore scrap because I know he can throw.....but luckily for me that never happened as the rumor was he used to "collect funds" for the Angiulo family (I know you know that name Mike) back in the day. And I sure as hell didnt want to piss off the Angiulo's in any way shape or form. I would end up in that river in back of the Palace with all those other guys they found there--LOL.
;D
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I remember walking out of the Palace (didnt you used to bounce there Mike) and seeing the car of a girl Debbie I used to date (she had tinted windows)--she hits the driver side window and says "hey Dante!"....I squat down and say hi and there is Mattarazzo in the passenger seat. For some reason he was in a bad mood and says some shit to me, I said something right back and it was on....he gets out of the passenger side and I walk around the front of the car and we square up. Bouncers break it up with him and me yelling at each other. Would of been a very hardcore scrap because I know he can throw.....but luckily for me that never happened as the rumor was he used to "collect funds" for the Angiulo's (I know you know that name Mike) back in the day. And I sure as hell didnt want to piss off the Angiulo's in any way shape or form. I would end up in that river in back of the Palace with all those other guys they found there--LOL.
hahhahha!! "The Palace" i worked there off and on for almost 15 years!!!
you ever go "Milf hunting" at the vogue next door?!?!?!?!
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Yes I remember Cantone--didnt he get his pro card or place really high one year (2nd?)
One of the best things Ive ever seen in bodybuilding was I believe the Golds Gym Classic that the Grossi's put on. It was held in a opera house or orchestra building. The guest poser was Lee Haney. Haney was massive, full offseason and I believe they announced him at 283lbs and he wasnt soft.
The announcer comes out with "AND YOUR REIGNING MR OLYMPIA LEE HANEY!!!!" and a red light shines on center stage and the curtain opens......no Haney.
then a blue spotlight goes on and it shines way up on one of those Opera house side boxes about 75 feet in the air....and there is Haney standing there in the Sergio Victory pose......the crowd went absolutely bonkers.
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I remember walking out of the Palace (didnt you used to bounce there Mike) and seeing the car of a girl Debbie I used to date (she had tinted windows)--she hits the driver side window and says "hey Dante!"....I squat down and say hi and there is Mattarazzo in the passenger seat. For some reason he was in a bad mood and says some shit to me, I said something right back and it was on....he gets out of the passenger side and I walk around the front of the car and we square up. Bouncers break it up with him and me yelling at each other. Would of been a very hardcore scrap because I know he can throw.....but luckily for me that never happened as the rumor was he used to "collect funds" for the Angiulo family (I know you know that name Mike) back in the day. And I sure as hell didnt want to piss off the Angiulo's in any way shape or form. I would end up in that river in back of the Palace with all those other guys they found there--LOL.
Wow, I wouldnt' want to get on your bad side....
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You name it Mike--we were in the same haunts
Faces
Narcissus
(whats that club that all the Patriots used to hang out--Tippet got in a big brawl there...I cannot remember the name now....Im pretty sure you had to wear a dress shirt and maybe a tie to get in...cannot remember the name)
Also I know you and I could exchange war stories about Hampton Beach but I know your wife peruses the board and she probably doesnt want to read about those conquests--LOLOL
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Yes I remember Cantone--didnt he get his pro card or place really high one year (2nd?)
One of the best things Ive ever seen in bodybuilding was I believe the Golds Gym Classic that the Grossi's put on. It was held in a opera house or orchestra building. The guest poser was Lee Haney. Haney was massive, full offseason and I believe they announced him at 283lbs and he wasnt soft.
The announcer comes out with "AND YOUR REIGNING MR OLYMPIA LEE HANEY!!!!" and a red light shines on center stage and the curtain opens......no Haney.
then a blue spotlight goes on and it shines way up on one of those Opera house side boxes about 75 feet in the air....and there is Haney standing there in the Sergio Victory pose......the crowd went absolutely bonkers.
Steve won his class at the North Americans (and got a feature article in Flex magazine on leg training)
lotta funny stories (one year at the New Englands we had to push/jump start Mike Katz's piece of shit car)
brought Vic Richards to the Palace (was in a sleveless shirt/freaked people out)
both Matarazzo and Demayo used to hang out at the palace (as did most everyone back then lol!!)
good times!
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You name it Mike--we were in the same haunts
Faces
Narcissus
(whats that club that all the Patriots used to hang out--Tippet got in a big brawl there...I cannot remember the name now....Im pretty sure you had to wear a dress shirt and maybe a tie to get in...cannot remember the name)
Also I know you and I could exchange war stories about Hampton Beach but I know your wife peruses the board and she probably doesnt want to read about those conquests--LOLOL
"Narsyphilis" we used to call it!!
Rascals!!
revere beach!
i was working The Rockpile with Perry Saturn (wrestler) when we had a big brawl with the Pats (not sure thats what ur referring to tho)
perry could fight! (we all had to go to court for that one)
lotta good times.............
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Is this Mike pissing away all his goains?.... ;D. Mike did admit of eating 3 to 4 jars of peanut butter a day. Cholesterol anyone? ;)
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Nice Moon Boots.
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almost forgot "The Roxy" on a satuday nite! ;)
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I also "bounced" at "The Squire" and "The Golden Banana"
if ya kno what those clubs are ;)
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I just figured it out Mike
Vincents in Randolph
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I just figured it out Mike
Vincents in Randolph
lol!
i been there (ya it's suit and tie)
gone down hill since it's heyday
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I remember walking out of the Palace (didnt you used to bounce there Mike) and seeing the car of a girl Debbie I used to date (she had tinted windows)--she hits the driver side window and says "hey Dante!"....I squat down and say hi and there is Mattarazzo in the passenger seat. For some reason he was in a bad mood and says some shit to me, I said something right back and it was on....he gets out of the passenger side and I walk around the front of the car and we square up. Bouncers break it up with him and me yelling at each other. Would of been a very hardcore scrap because I know he can throw.....but luckily for me that never happened as the rumor was he used to "collect funds" for the Angiulo family (I know you know that name Mike) back in the day. And I sure as hell didnt want to piss off the Angiulo's in any way shape or form. I would end up in that river in back of the Palace with all those other guys they found there--LOL.
A.) If Mike wanted to kick your ass there would be no "square up". He would have just taken you apart.
B.) Don't throw around local wiseguys' names , because you have no idea what you're talking about.
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The "Caberet" on route one (bannana and "cab" were owned by the same guy
i worked everywhere in mass lol!
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lightened these up a bit
Mike you're dwarfing Matarazzo
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Mike you're dwarfing Matarazzo
lol!
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A.) If Mike wanted to kick your ass there would be no "square up". He would have just taken you apart.
B.) Don't throw around local wiseguys' names around because you have no idea what you're talking about.
and your entitled to your opinion which amounts to as much as 21.95 internet access can buy.
which by calling that family a local wiseguy...shows you still think they are in power today, and obviously didnt know how much power they had back then (yes back then not now) which shows you to be a certified idiot about the subject.....quick get to wikipedia so you can save face!
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and your entitled to your opinion which amounts to as much as 21.95 internet access can buy.
which by calling that family a local wiseguy...shows you still think they are in power today, and obviously didnt know how much power they had back then (yes back then not now) which shows you to be a certified idiot about the subject.....quick get to wikipedia so you can save face!
You're wrong. Are you from Revere or East Boston? No. You should shut the fuck up because, again, you have no idea what you're talking about, dickhead.
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lightened these up a bit
gee thanks ::)
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You're wrong. Are you from Revere or East Boston? No. You should shut the fuck up because, again, you have no idea what you're talking about, dickhead.
exactly, the guy is a fanook who don't know nothing 'bout nothing
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He's a good guy.
But what's with the shirt throwing? Pretty homoerotic.
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well,
It was printed someonewhere that Mike's HDL (the good cholesterol) was 0!!!!!
normal range is above 50, and below 30 is a HUGE risk factor for coronary artery disease....
an HDL of 0, plus 5 pounds of meet per day equals heart attack, even with no roids.
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well,
It was printed someonewhere that Mike's HDL (the good cholesterol) was 0!!!!!
normal range is above 50, and below 30 is a HUGE risk factor for coronary artery disease....
an HDL of 0, plus 5 pounds of meet per day equals heart attack, even with no roids.
meet = meat
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! Look how weak and scared he looks now.
Like he never lifted a weight in his life ::)
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Iron Mike was clearly the BEST GUEST POSER ever...everything the GP's do now are all copies of MM. His Calves ruled...everytime I hear Paradise City I think of HIM posing to it in Santa Monica.
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HAHA This little Mattarazzo bitch looks like a homo now his drugs have worn off. Connected my ass, connected to a fucking heart monitor more like ;D ;D
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mike bragged for years about eating 5 pounds of beef per day.
I'd guess that kind of extreme fat intake had a lot more to do with his heart problems than steroids.
damnit man
come on
this is a bodybuilding forum-people are supposed to have some basic nutritional knowledge...
yet we still have got things like this being said
readin through this thread we have got like 5 different people trying to put it on dietary fat.. ::) even PEANUT BUTTER..lol...
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damnit man
come on
this is a bodybuilding forum-people are supposed to have some basic nutritional knowledge...
yet we still have got things like this being said
readin through this thread we have got like 5 different people trying to put it on dietary fat.. ::) even PEANUT BUTTER..lol...
Are you saying that 80 ounces of beef daily has no effect upon the heart?
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readin through this thread we have got like 5 different people trying to put it on dietary fat.. ::) even PEANUT BUTTER..lol...
actually a lot of the commercial PB is packed full of palm oil. do some research son as that shit is bad news. also, sugar and the mix of sugar and palm oil is not a great combo. shoot me up on PM if you want some decent nutrition advice - serious offer candy.
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exactly, the guy is a fanook who don't know nothing 'bout nothing
Typical wannabe...dropping names...was ready to get it on with Matarazzo...GET FUCKED!!
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Are you saying that 80 ounces of beef daily has no effect upon the heart?
BEEF ? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol bro.
DIETARY CHOLESTROL? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol
SATURATED FAT? this can have a negative effect on cholestrol if itis consumed in large quantities,
UN SATURATED FAT ? (like peanutbutter that has already been mentioned) will positivel influence cholestrol
BUT
SUGARS...refined grains and white flour... insulin spiking starches... these have a bigger negative impact on cholestrol levels that saturated fat or anything else for that matter!
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actually a lot of the commercial PB is packed full of palm oil. do some research son as that shit is bad news. also, sugar and the mix of sugar and palm oil is not a great combo. shoot me up on PM if you want some decent nutrition advice - serious offer candy.
yes i know this ! thanks for the offer but i got it under control
i was refering to all natural peanut butter...just peanuts+salt
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BEEF ? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol bro.
DIETARY CHOLESTROL? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol
SATURATED FAT? this can have a negative effect on cholestrol if itis consumed in large quantities,
UN SATURATED FAT ? (like peanutbutter that has already been mentioned) will positivel influence cholestrol
BUT
SUGARS...refined grains and white flour... insulin spiking starches... these have a bigger negative impact on cholestrol levels that saturated fat or anything else for that matter!
gayer than Candy setting the smackdown! ;)
Whether it's true or not is a different story... :-\
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i was refering to all natural peanut butter...just peanuts+salt
yea, thats some good shit. The salt isn't even a problem and is desirable if you're a HARD training bodybuilder. glad you know about that palm oil shit as I'm amazed how many dudes have no idea.
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its funny that youll never hear any body blaming rice crispy treats or skittles or PEEPS (YUM! ;D )...the real culprits.... for a guy with bad cholestrol that had a heart attack... they always go after "RED MEAT" ;D
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yea, thats some good shit. The salt isn't even a problem and is desirable if you're a HARD training bodybuilder. glad you know about that palm oil shit as I'm amazed how many dudes have no idea.
-another one is canola oil
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its funny that youll never hear any body blaming rice crispy treats or skittles or PEEPS (YUM! ;D )...the real culprits.... for a guy with bad cholestrol that had a heart attack... they always go after "RED MEAT" ;D
I gotta back the kid up here. It's this shit that actually raises triglyceride levels, not meat.
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interesting... many have long blamed his heart trouble on 5 pounds of beef per day for years.
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interesting... many have long blamed his heart trouble on 5 pounds of beef per day for years.
the FDA is responsible !
long have i warned people about these people and their misinformation
their damn food pyramid isnt even based on nutrition facts, its based on what most people generally eat ! haha !
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interesting... many have long blamed his heart trouble on 5 pounds of beef per day for years.
oh and i dont think it was his diet at all !
in mos people bad chollestrol stems from diet
but in mikes case
id gotta put it to the drugs
maybe not even the steroids themselves, but pre contest AI use would seriously fuck up his hdl/ldl
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the FDA is responsible !
long have i warned people about these people and their misinformation
their damn food pyramid isnt even based on nutrition facts, its based on what most people generally eat ! haha !
this is true because the fact is that they couldnt sustain the population on what humans should actually eat. look at the cheapest, most fattening shit, it's bread, pasta, sugar, potatoes. all the stuff that can be mass produced.
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Group A -5 lbs of red meat per day
Group B-Chronic heavy weightlifting
Group C-Chronic AS use
Group D-All of the above
If each group consisted of 50 test subjects, each measuring blood cholesterol, cardiac hypertrophy, sclerotic plaque formation, HTN, increased LDL, hypercholesterolemia etc. Obviously, you'd get the biggest change in group D, but taking Group D (matarazzo type) out of the equation...over a long term trial, you would see the most DRASTIC effects on the heart (not necessarily bad) from group B and group C. That's considering all things being equal. Hell, just being heavy has an impact on the heart! I remember Flex saying when he was over 270, he couldn't walk up a flight of stairs without stopping for a breather, which organ do you think is taking the worst, minute-by-minute pounding?
But that's not to say that there's not much to be said about red meat consumption. Nobody puts out more studies on the adverse effects of a meat based diet than SDA's. Who have done study after study showing the benefits of a plant based diet, in terms of longevity, cholesterol, obesity, HTN etc. etc. etc. etc.
(oh, but group A will definitely have the highest risk of Colon Cancer ;D )
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All this talk about redmeat is making me hungry. >:( I suggest all of you eat a burger tonight and stop worrying about cholesterol. :)
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BEEF ? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol bro.
DIETARY CHOLESTROL? absolutely zero effect on cholestrol
SATURATED FAT? this can have a negative effect on cholestrol if itis consumed in large quantities,
UN SATURATED FAT ? (like peanutbutter that has already been mentioned) will positivel influence cholestrol
BUT
SUGARS...refined grains and white flour... insulin spiking starches... these have a bigger negative impact on cholestrol levels that saturated fat or anything else for that matter!
wow. so please enlighten us Candi, the high school student... are you saying that fats and dietary cholesterol have 0 impact on your cholesterol levels and the sugar is the only thing that increases cholesterol??? wow. Well, thats not what we learn in medical school.
I am serious, please tell me how dietary cholesterol has 0 impact? Our patients go on low cholesterol diets, cut out the red meat, etc, and their serum cholesterol levels DROP a lot, with DIET ALONE. Sugar has barely any impact.
Anyway, one point that no one brought up was that steroids impact cholesterol the most. they lower HDL and increase LDL,,,,even Anavar! The combo of Mike's low HDL, and fatty foods plus crappy genetics (thought he had a family history) have contributed to his heart condition.
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wow. so please enlighten us Candi, the high school student... are you saying that fats and dietary cholesterol have 0 impact on your cholesterol levels and the sugar is the only thing that increases cholesterol??? wow. Well, thats not what we learn in medical school.
I am serious, please tell me how dietary cholesterol has 0 impact? Our patients go on low cholesterol diets, cut out the red meat, etc, and their serum cholesterol levels DROP a lot, with DIET ALONE. Sugar has barely any impact.
im not a high school student, worm.
dietary cholestrol has zero efect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
yes, fats do effect cholestrol. like i said, saturated fats can, if consumed in excess, negatively effect cholestrol levels. while certain unsaturated fats greatly improve cholestrol levels.
sugar definitely has a huge effect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
overeating has a big effect as well; which is probably why ANY diet helps improve serum cholestrol. NOT because you cut out red meat.
would you like to know the best way to improve cholestrol levels and all the cardiovasular risk fatcors? zero starch diet with lots of greens, meats, and omega-3 fatty acids. :D
now go bak to the steroid board and ask the same beginner level questions 500 times in a row. :o
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im not a high school student, worm.
dietary cholestrol has zero efect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
yes, fats do effect cholestrol. like i said, saturated fats can, if consumed in excess, negatively effect cholestrol levels. while certain unsaturated fats greatly improve cholestrol levels.
sugar definitely has a huge effect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
overeating has a big effect as well; which is probably why ANY diet helps improve serum cholestrol. NOT because you cut out red meat.
would you like to know the best way to improve cholestrol levels and all the cardiovasular risk fatcors? zero starch diet with lots of greens, meats, and omega-3 fatty acids. :D
now go bak to the steroid board and ask the same beginner level questions 500 times in a row. :o
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Candy...what would getbig do without your abundant wealth of knowledge ;D
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Candy, do you favor the leaner cuts or do you buy the fatty stuff when getting meat?
persoanlly, id rather have chicken breasts cooked in olive oil than like thighs and shit.
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Candy, do you favor the leaner cuts or do you buy the fatty stuff when getting meat?
persoanlly, id rather have chicken breasts cooked in olive oil than like thighs and shit.
i get the big 5 lb rolls of the 70/30 ground beef and turkey and chop them into 8 pieces and put them in ziplocks in the freezer. i pan cook and rinse them 8)
i also get the big costco 20 lb bags of chicken breasts on occaision.
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Candy...what would getbig do without your abundant wealth of knowledge ;D
breathe a sigh of relief, i imagine ;D
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PIP Matzzarella.
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anabolic steroids cause drastic reductions in HDL cholesterol which increase the total chol/hdl chol ratio- the ratio is the indicator of risk of heart attack and stroke
just bout everyone who uses steroids will see their HDL drop, in most it normalises after u stop using but years of use will have u building those atherosclerotic plaques in the arteries
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anabolic steroids cause drastic reductions in HDL cholesterol which increase the total chol/hdl chol ratio- the ratio is the indicator of risk of heart attack and stroke
just bout everyone who uses steroids will see their HDL drop, in most it normalises after u stop using but years of use will have u building those atherosclerotic plaques in the arteries
thanks, but I'll take Mike's word on this one, not that of a getbig medical expert like yourself.
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im not a high school student, worm.
dietary cholestrol has zero efect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
yes, fats do effect cholestrol. like i said, saturated fats can, if consumed in excess, negatively effect cholestrol levels. while certain unsaturated fats greatly improve cholestrol levels.
sugar definitely has a huge effect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
overeating has a big effect as well; which is probably why ANY diet helps improve serum cholestrol. NOT because you cut out red meat.
would you like to know the best way to improve cholestrol levels and all the cardiovasular risk fatcors? zero starch diet with lots of greens, meats, and omega-3 fatty acids. :D
now go bak to the steroid board and ask the same beginner level questions 500 times in a row. :o
where are you getting your "facts" from cause most of them are wrong. Why do medicines that block the transport of chol from the gut to blood LOWER SERUM CHOLESTEROL VALUES?
in fact, the second most popular chol lower drug works by this method. so please explain your facts son. (ps. you can't just google all of your said 'knowledge')...
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im not a high school student, worm.
dietary cholestrol has zero efect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
yes, fats do effect cholestrol. like i said, saturated fats can, if consumed in excess, negatively effect cholestrol levels. while certain unsaturated fats greatly improve cholestrol levels.
sugar definitely has a huge effect on serum cholestrol. FACT.
overeating has a big effect as well; which is probably why ANY diet helps improve serum cholestrol. NOT because you cut out red meat.
would you like to know the best way to improve cholestrol levels and all the cardiovasular risk fatcors? zero starch diet with lots of greens, meats, and omega-3 fatty acids. :D
now go bak to the steroid board and ask the same beginner level questions 500 times in a row. :o
thanks doogie howser.
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hahha...
explaining real info to candi is harder than getting a democrat to get a job!!!
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If that amount of beef had nothing to do with his heart attack, I would bet the house that it will have everything to do with his future cancer...Those guys of the 90's also used enough ephedra to kill a horse...Lets also remember how hard his heart had to work walking around over 250 pounds since he was basically a teenager...
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Candy, do you favor the leaner cuts or do you buy the fatty stuff when getting meat?
persoanlly, id rather have chicken breasts cooked in olive oil than like thighs donuts and Ding Dongs and shit.
Fixed.
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The "Caberet" on route one (bannana and "cab" were owned by the same guy
i worked everywhere in mass lol!
haahah I was there last week.
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Long cycles where his good cholesterol would have been 0
High Red Meat diet definately effects cholesterol
Clenbuterol use, ( has enlarged so many hearts especially when used with high doses hgh and fucks the heart muscle ask any race horse owner. )
Ephedrine caffeine stack.
i believe what hes saying mgs wise guys here just dont understand take all of the above and multiply by 12 years = a fucked up heart,
I feel for Mike but getting regular bloodwork is a must, and CT scans and cardiograms after all its is your own life your risking, he didnt do any of this there would have been so many warning signs along the way, shame.
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WOW! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221659.0;attach=259693;image)
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WOW! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221659.0;attach=259693;image)
Mike is totally OWNED in this pic....hahahahahaha. I wonder how his career as a bail bonds is doing?
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Long cycles where his good cholesterol would have been 0
High Red Meat diet definately effects cholesterol
Clenbuterol use, ( has enlarged so many hearts especially when used with high doses hgh and fucks the heart muscle ask any race horse owner. )
Ephedrine caffeine stack.
i believe what hes saying mgs wise guys here just dont understand take all of the above and multiply by 12 years = a fucked up heart,
I feel for Mike but getting regular bloodwork is a must, and CT scans and cardiograms after all its is your own life your risking, he didnt do any of this there would have been so many warning signs along the way, shame.
Excellent post however if Mike is going to say the STEROIDS were for sure the cause of his heart problems with everything else the guy did to fck up his heart, one would be hard pressed to believe a single word that comes out of his mouth when it came to dosages...There are doctors who have studies anabolic steroids for decades who would say that Steroids werent the only thing that effected this guys heart...And considering everything he has done to himself over the years, these same doctors would probably tell ya that steroids were the least of his problems...But it makes a great headline doesn't it...
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Steroids didn't help, but you know what really hurt him?? Diet. this guy used to epouse to downing of two jard of peanut butter a day for calories when you feel like snacking. thats gonna kill a fool.
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and your entitled to your opinion which amounts to as much as 21.95 internet access can buy.
which by calling that family a local wiseguy...shows you still think they are in power today, and obviously didnt know how much power they had back then (yes back then not now) which shows you to be a certified idiot about the subject.....quick get to wikipedia so you can save face!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiulo_Brothers
Discuss.
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So, were Mike's biceps 22" or 24"?
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Any chance someone could scan the article? (I don't buy Muscle rags anymore)
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Any chance someone could scan the article? (I don't buy Muscle rags anymore)
Yes, actually, scan the whole mag. Thanks.
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WOW! :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=221659.0;attach=259693;image)
His son is dwarfing him in this pic
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So, were Mike's biceps 22" or 24"?
22 ;D
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22 ;D
Too bad that his back, chest and to some extent legs were nowhere near the level of his arms.
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Candy, do you favor the leaner cuts or do you buy the fatty stuff when getting meat?
persoanlly, id rather have chicken breasts cooked in olive oil than like thighs and shit.
Why would you cook with olive oil ? Cause it's healthier ? haahahahhaha
Everyone should know that virgine olive oil is very heat sensitive and changes quickly once heated....Like ; why eat chicken breast if you will oil fry itwith olive oil ? Even your fat ass should know that.
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This:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiulo_Brothers
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like it was said before he seems to blame steriods for all of his problems but i would guess it was a mixture of things. ESPECIALLY his diet 3-4 pounds of red meat a day is going to clog up anyones heart even a natural
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well,
It was printed someonewhere that Mike's HDL (the good cholesterol) was 0!!!!!
normal range is above 50, and below 30 is a HUGE risk factor for coronary artery disease....
an HDL of 0, plus 5 pounds of meet per day equals heart attack, even with no roids.
Lots of pros have had HDL of 0. Milos is one IIRC.
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Clenbuterol use, ( has enlarged so many hearts especially when used with high doses hgh and fucks the heart muscle ask any race horse owner. )
Ironically Clenbuterol can help strengthen the heart after congestive heart failure.
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If Mike manages to stay alive for the next 10 - 20 years, the progress of technology will offer a solution for him that will enable him to live several decades into the future.
Possibly forever.
The singularity is nigh
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If Mike manages to stay alive for the next 10 - 20 years, the progress of technology will offer a solution for him that will enable him to live several decades into the future.
Actually, anyone alive in 50-60 yrs will likely be able to stay alive forever. Technology is advancing faster than we are aging...
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Actually, anyone alive in 50-60 yrs will likely be able to stay alive forever. Technology is advancing faster than we are aging...
::)
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(http://www.boat-links.com/images/DilDozer/Flaccid-Moto-Penis.jpg)
No reason to act like a pervert. :-X
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Actually, anyone alive in 50-60 yrs will likely be able to stay alive forever. Technology is advancing faster than we are aging...
What if it is a mistake? What if what comes after death is unimaginable better state? That would be massive self owning... haha
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I heard that Mike used to collect for the Angiulo family - a family of wise guys. Can anyone verify this?
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I'm surprised nobody brought this up sooner since it was a very good interview by Ron Harris.
Mike simultaneously blames steroids for his health problems while claiming he only used 1,000-1,5000 mg of testosterone per week plus other drugs like GH and cutting agents. I don't have the magazine with me right now, but that is more or less what he said.
I think if he wanted to use his experiences as a cautionary tale he should went into a little more detail both about his dosages and his food intake. But primarily I would think he lied about the dosages he used.
Also I like how on mayhem replies like this will immediately get shutdown with people claiming that "it's genetic" despite Mike himself stating that is not the case. ;D
you make it sound like 1500mg. of test/week plus GH is a small amount ::) the guy was reportedly a huge red meat eater and ate pounds of it everyday, combine that with family history and it's no wonder he had problems.
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you make it sound like 1500mg. of test/week plus GH is a small amount ::) the guy was reportedly a huge red meat eater and ate pounds of it everyday, combine that with family history and it's no wonder he had problems.
Considering that beginners are recommended 500 mg of test per week I don't think 1,500 mg is particularly high. People use a lot higher very routinely.
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Let's face it guys, whether you're for or against the use of roids, it's a fact that most androgens will cause negative changes to your LDL/HDL levels while you're on a cycle. Even small doses of anavar can do this. What do you think taking 1 to 3 grams of test year round like some pro's do does to your arterial plaque levels ? It can't be that good. Keep in mind that anti-aromatase and anti-estrogens also mess with cholesterol levels. I predict you will see lots of Pro's with heart problems as they hit their mid-40's. Also there are studies that suggest that long term steroid use can cause irreversable heart valve changes. My honest belief is that small doses of steroids cycled for a few months at a time a few times a year probably won't harm most healthy people. But taking 1to 3 grams of test a week, 8 to 12iu's of gh a day, Insulin and IGf1 mixed with Thyroid drugs, Anti-estrogens, clenbuterol for long drawn out cycles could prove to have negative consequences in an athlete's later years. Only time will tell, but some Pro's are starting to see the damage already. Of course someone who is on these stacks will defend it and claim, "If it was that bad, the guys would be dropping dead like flies. They're perfectly safe, jackass!"
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No reason to act like a pervert. :-X
Nice to see Debussey having good taste when it comes to cars...
...Ben Affleck's asshole may be the perfect garage for this torque-monster.
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I remember when Mike begged readers, via Flex magazine, to donate money for his hospital bills and Flex Wheeler, via Shawn Ray, for his. These fools want us to pay the price they put their body through! Gimme a break. ::)
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Let's face it guys, whether you're for or against the use of roids, it's a fact that most androgens will cause negative changes to your LDL/HDL levels while you're on a cycle. Even small doses of anavar can do this. What do you think taking 1 to 3 grams of test year round like some pro's do does to your arterial plaque levels ? It can't be that good. Keep in mind that anti-aromatase and anti-estrogens also mess with cholesterol levels. I predict you will see lots of Pro's with heart problems as they hit their mid-40's. Also there are studies that suggest that long term steroid use can cause irreversable heart valve changes. My honest belief is that small doses of steroids cycled for a few months at a time a few times a year probably won't harm most healthy people. But taking 1to 3 grams of test a week, 8 to 12iu's of gh a day, Insulin and IGf1 mixed with Thyroid drugs, Anti-estrogens, clenbuterol for long drawn out cycles could prove to have negative consequences in an athlete's later years. Only time will tell, but some Pro's are starting to see the damage already. Of course someone who is on these stacks will defend it and claim, "If it was that bad, the guys would be dropping dead like flies. They're perfectly safe, jackass!"
Completely AGREE!
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I heard that Mike used to collect for the Angiulo family - a family of wise guys. Can anyone verify this?
There was no "Angiulo Family". Gennaro was the underboss of the Patriarca Family. You heard that rumor from "doggcrapp", a blow-hard who wants to talk about wiseguys and fights. He has no idea who or what he is talking about.
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I remember when Mike begged readers, via Flex magazine, to donate money for his hospital bills and Flex Wheeler, via Shawn Ray, for his. These fools want us to pay the price they put their body through! Gimme a break. ::)
wonder how many pros have no health insurance currently.....
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Drugs didn't help. Don't know if Mike used to do cardio regularly either. Having a liver that genetically puts out to much cholesterol is not good either. These people are probably even more negatively effected by starches and lack of cardio.
You can be healthy eating lots of red meat, as long as your metabolism is mostly a fat burning metabolism by controlling carbs and doing slow to moderate cardio.
Combine fatty meats with high carb diet and you can get trouble over the years.
But it takes a long time of doing something severely wrong to block your hart of to the Mike had.
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Let's face it guys, whether you're for or against the use of roids, it's a fact that most androgens will cause negative changes to your LDL/HDL levels while you're on a cycle. Even small doses of anavar can do this. What do you think taking 1 to 3 grams of test year round like some pro's do does to your arterial plaque levels ? It can't be that good. Keep in mind that anti-aromatase and anti-estrogens also mess with cholesterol levels. I predict you will see lots of Pro's with heart problems as they hit their mid-40's. Also there are studies that suggest that long term steroid use can cause irreversable heart valve changes. My honest belief is that small doses of steroids cycled for a few months at a time a few times a year probably won't harm most healthy people. But taking 1to 3 grams of test a week, 8 to 12iu's of gh a day, Insulin and IGf1 mixed with Thyroid drugs, Anti-estrogens, clenbuterol for long drawn out cycles could prove to have negative consequences in an athlete's later years. Only time will tell, but some Pro's are starting to see the damage already. Of course someone who is on these stacks will defend it and claim, "If it was that bad, the guys would be dropping dead like flies. They're perfectly safe, jackass!"
What about bbers?
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What's funny is when all these stories come up no one ever mentions all the rec drugs and pain killers these guys are on. Look at Prince. Dude fucked himself up over NSAIDS. How do we know Mike M. didn't have other drug addictions? Nowadays I don't think it's so much the roids but the rec drugs and prescription meds that mess these guys up.
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Plus he very well may have had familial hypercholesterolemia.
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Plus he very well may have had familial hypercholesterolemia.
I don't believe he was into incest.
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What's funny is when all these stories come up no one ever mentions all the rec drugs and pain killers these guys are on. Look at Prince. Dude fucked himself up over NSAIDS. How do we know Mike M. didn't have other drug addictions? Nowadays I don't think it's so much the roids but the rec drugs and prescription meds that mess these guys up.
Matt C said he had sources telling him Mike used to smoke crack.
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I don't believe he was into incest.
lol
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i was suprised that mike blamed all of his problems on drugs.
i really think that it was due to his hight fat (saturated) diet.
example: all the guys use drugs, but really only mike had the heart problems
the difference between mike and the others guys, was that mike was one of the few pro to follow that high fat diet for years and years.
you'd think that if it were trully drugs, then some of the other guys from the 90's would have similar problems as mike.
the diet seperated mike from the others.
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Matt C said he had sources telling him Mike used to smoke crack.
Yes, someone I know did tell me that. He was credible about 50% of the time and full of shit the other 50%. So it's hard to tell whether or not this is true. Does anyone here know if Mike smoked crack or had any problems with recs?
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Could someone PLEASE SCAN THE ARTICLE AND POST IT?
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Could someone PLEASE SCAN THE ARTICLE AND POST IT?
Get crackin' Arvillia.
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this is why bodybuilding as a career choice just doesn't make sense
you walk away broke and with health issues..most guys probably make under 20K per year
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thats not Mike, his calves wouldnt fit in those jeans...
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so what did Mike accomplish? Do you think he displays his trophys? Does he say, I used be...