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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: theworm on July 02, 2008, 12:01:47 PM
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I searched and could not find much...
on low dose deca/test, and want to do another soon after... how long to wait? 6-8 weeks is what i read before....
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Impossible to answer. Why go off in the first place?
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imo u should wait 2 weeks from the day of ur last injection (thats the half life of deca), then after that u can count another 6 weeks minimum before u start ur next cycle. during the six weeks u can do ur PCT if u need it.
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imo u should wait 2 weeks from the day of ur last injection (thats the half life of deca), then after that u can count another 6 weeks minimum before u start ur next cycle. during the six weeks u can do ur PCT if u need it.
What happens during those 6 weeks that makes it ok to then start another cycle?
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What happens during those 6 weeks that makes it ok to then start another cycle?
nothing, just some time off for recovery i guess
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nothing, just some time off for recovery i guess
Alright, so the time off is to reduce "damage" to HPTA. I would definitely agree that taking time off wouldn't hurt but, OTOH, 6 weeks is probably not enough for full recovery, and then you're on again.
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Alright, so the time off is to reduce "damage" to HPTA. I would definitely agree that taking time off wouldn't hurt but, OTOH, 6 weeks is probably not enough for full recovery, and then you're on again.
It can take some guys a full year to fully recover from a cycle, but the vast majority of guys don't get blood work done so they just hop back on. I think this leads to more damage to the HPTA over time than just staying on all the time and cruising on low doses, but that's just personal opinion.
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Alright, so the time off is to reduce "damage" to HPTA. I would definitely agree that taking time off wouldn't hurt but, OTOH, 6 weeks is probably not enough for full recovery, and then you're on again.
ur right 6 weeks is not enough, but considering that he was on a low dose and only injectables maybe 6 weeks will be fine if hes in a hurry ,but to consider taking the next time-off a bit longer
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ok, so a total of 2 months off,,,,then longer on the next one (5-600mg test, 300 deca..)
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ok, so a total of 2 months off,,,,then longer on the next one (5-600mg test, 300 deca..)
Impossible to answer. Why go off in the first place?
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It can take some guys a full year to fully recover from a cycle, but the vast majority of guys don't get blood work done so they just hop back on. I think this leads to more damage to the HPTA over time than just staying on all the time and cruising on low doses, but that's just personal opinion.
Isnt he on Dr prescribed HRT though? He doesnt have to worry about recovering.
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Isnt he on Dr prescribed HRT though? He doesnt have to worry about recovering.
Yea, which is why this post is completely odd...
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i still wanna produce my own test... hence 10-12 week cycles.... i am only 29! I never want to be completely dependent on injectables... just some boosts here and there to add some pounds.
other times, i have been able to keep most of my mass throughout the year. my plan is doing one, maybe 2 cycles per year. Just to keep some muscle on me.
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i still wanna produce my own test... hence 10-12 week cycles.... i am only 29! I never want to be completely dependent on injectables... just some boosts here and there to add some pounds.
other times, i have been able to keep most of my mass throughout the year. my plan is doing one, maybe 2 cycles per year. Just to keep some muscle on me.
How long have you been using Worm?
If you haven't been using very long I'll bet money this plan will change one way or the other say a year from now. Care to make a wager, lol?
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using for 3 weeks now!
ok, i'll bet you... i am only going to do 2 cycles per year followed by PCT, so i can keep making my own test. I will be willing to bet that.
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i have to desire to permantly chemically castrate myself! hence, only one-two cycles per year...
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using for 3 weeks now!
ok, i'll bet you... i am only going to do 2 cycles per year followed by PCT, so i can keep making my own test. I will be willing to bet that.
I hate to tell you but it does not work that way. If you run one cycle per year, that's it, it will take a full year for everything in your system to get back to 100% normal, although the word "normal" here is not what it used to be. 1 year is also assuming everything else in your life is perfect.
Secondly, when you run 1 or 2 small cycles a year or a couple larger dosed and/or more compounds, you shut yourself down just the same as if you ran a couple small dosed simple cycles like you're talking about...there is no in between when it comes to being shut down...you either are or are not.
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I searched and could not find much...
on low dose deca/test, and want to do another soon after... how long to wait? 6-8 weeks is what i read before....
I throw a week in there every now and then just to give all the muscles/sites poke free and heal up a little. I try not to build up the scar tissue but it is kind of inevitable.
8)
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I hate to tell you but it does not work that way. If you run one cycle per year, that's it, it will take a full year for everything in your system to get back to 100% normal, although the word "normal" here is not what it used to be. 1 year is also assuming everything else in your life is perfect.
Secondly, when you run 1 or 2 small cycles a year or a couple larger dosed and/or more compounds, you shut yourself down just the same as if you ran a couple small dosed simple cycles like you're talking about...there is no in between when it comes to being shut down...you either are or are not.
so whats your idea cycle, cycle lengths, and cycles per year to still keep making your own test? i do not want to permantly castrate myself...
i did 2 cycles per year back in 1999-2001 (test 400, EQ300) stopped in 2001, and my test levels are normal in 2007! so it can be done...
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i think you can still have normal test levels (produced by your own body) with a 12 week cycle of test 500 and deca 300, one cycle per year followed by proper PCT.
I did it in 1999-2001. add 20 pounds, and keep most of it throughout the year.
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i think you can still have normal test levels (produced by your own body) with a 12 week cycle of test 500 and deca 300, one cycle per year followed by proper PCT.
I did it in 1999-2001. add 20 pounds, and keep most of it throughout the year.
First of all, you have to decide what your goals are. Most of the advice you get on steroid boards is the same.".Run test and deca..blah, blah...don't worry about shutting down your test bro, you can always do test for life." If you don't plan on competing and want to gain some solid muscle, here's a decent plan. First of all, if you're worried about not shutting yourself down, don't run Deca. It definitely prolongs recovery. If you take one small shot of HCG (250iu) once a week while you're on the cycle, it helps prevent testicular atrophy and you will recover faster. A couple of HRT doctors who cycle their patients proved their patients test levels bounced back much quicker if they did HCG while on cycle, but only once a week in a small dose. If you want to stack your test, take something fast acting like anavar or winstrol, again these won't keep you shut down as long as Deca will. You might find after 8 weeks, you've put on some serious muscle and you might decide to end the cycle then. Again..easier to recover from 8 weeks than 12. Just because everyone else says to do something doesn't mean it's right for you. And of course do at a good PCT protcol.
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thanks chemist, orals from my HRT are 8 bucks a bill though. whats the test rec? 400-600? and what would the anavar dose be? 25 x 6 weeks?
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thanks chemist, orals from my HRT are 8 bucks a bill though. whats the test rec? 400-600? and what would the anavar dose be? 25 x 6 weeks?
Wow, that's pretty pricey. Again, if you're not looking to be a pro, you don't need a lot. I'm not going to reccomend doses cause it's just going to cause a big debate with the established guys on here. Here's an example that would be considered Blasphemy from the "Bro's". Several years back I did a cycle where I took only one 50mg primobolin tablet a day for 8 weeks and gained 12 pounds of bodyweight, with absolutely no water retention. No test..nothing else. I looked leaner after the cycle and I had no sides at all. No shutdown, never really lost the muscle either, no loss of libido. Of course I trained extremely hard, ate protein and amino's every 3 hours, etc. Good thing I didn't have the Internet back then or some Steroid Board bro would have told me if I didn't do a Gram of test a week, I wouldn't gain shit! Then I'd probably be bald with arterial plaque and on replacement hormones by now.
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see my PM chem...
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Wow, that's pretty pricey. Again, if you're not looking to be a pro, you don't need a lot. I'm not going to reccomend doses cause it's just going to cause a big debate with the established guys on here. Here's an example that would be considered Blasphemy from the "Bro's". Several years back I did a cycle where I took only one 50mg primobolin tablet a day for 8 weeks and gained 12 pounds of bodyweight, with absolutely no water retention. No test..nothing else. I looked leaner after the cycle and I had no sides at all. No shutdown, never really lost the muscle either, no loss of libido. Of course I trained extremely hard, ate protein and amino's every 3 hours, etc. Good thing I didn't have the Internet back then or some Steroid Board bro would have told me if I didn't do a Gram of test a week, I wouldn't gain shit! Then I'd probably be bald with arterial plaque and on replacement hormones by now.
Post up Chemist. I for one would be very interested in your opinion. Ive seen your pics so you obviously know whats going on. I am a firm believer in low dose cycles, because I have gained very well off of them. I know successful power lifters that never use more than 500mg test ew, in combination with orals on the lower side also.
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Post up Chemist. I for one would be very interested in your opinion. Ive seen your pics so you obviously know whats going on. I am a firm believer in low dose cycles, because I have gained very well off of them. I know successful power lifters that never use more than 500mg test ew, in combination with orals on the lower side also.
Well, I only posted on this thread because Worm said he was interested in putting on a little muscle and didn't want to shut his own production down too heavily. The general consensus on these boards is there is only one way to juice..and that's heavy, large doses of test, deca, for several months. Some guys believe in never coming off. There are some people who might want to experiment with anabolics, who don't want to be the typical big, watery bloated, chipmunk faced guys you see at the gym. Also, some people believe you are better off having your body produce it's own hormones at least untill you hit your 40's. I'm 45 and my natural test levels are fine and I still look like I did in those pics from years ago even though I've been clean since the 8o's. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. You can make great gains from small, relatively short cycles if you combine it with hard training and good nutrition. If you want to compete at a high level, that's another story. But if you're just a guy who wants to gain some muscle and look good, you don't have to risk your health, your hair, and be on synthetic hormones the rest of your life to accomplish that. If someone can't make progress from 500 mg test stacked with some low dose anabolic compounds ,then they are doing something wrong....or their gear is fake!
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thanks chemist, i was thinking about 500 mg test per week x 10 weeks, then 25-50mg of anavar x 60 days... seems like a good cycle to add 15, low to minimal sides, and my own test should bounce back nicely. thoughts?
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thanks chemist, i was thinking about 500 mg test per week x 10 weeks, then 25-50mg of anavar x 60 days... seems like a good cycle to add 15, low to minimal sides, and my own test should bounce back nicely. thoughts?
I think it would work well. Add a small amount of anti-aromatase and you should have a hard full look without a lot of bloat. Remember, those watery looking fat-faced guys at the gym are a dime a dozen. The guys that have a bit of size, good proportions and are lean are the one's that stand out.
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Well, I only posted on this thread because Worm said he was interested in putting on a little muscle and didn't want to shut his own production down too heavily. The general consensus on these boards is there is only one way to juice..and that's heavy, large doses of test, deca, for several months. Some guys believe in never coming off. There are some people who might want to experiment with anabolics, who don't want to be the typical big, watery bloated, chipmunk faced guys you see at the gym. Also, some people believe you are better off having your body produce it's own hormones at least untill you hit your 40's. I'm 45 and my natural test levels are fine and I still look like I did in those pics from years ago even though I've been clean since the 8o's. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. You can make great gains from small, relatively short cycles if you combine it with hard training and good nutrition. If you want to compete at a high level, that's another story. But if you're just a guy who wants to gain some muscle and look good, you don't have to risk your health, your hair, and be on synthetic hormones the rest of your life to accomplish that. If someone can't make progress from 500 mg test stacked with some low dose anabolic compounds ,then they are doing something wrong....or their gear is fake!
I don't think thats the consensus on this board at all. We have a bunch of different guys on this board with different goals. Even if you do run long heavy cycles and you use HCG while on cycle, stay full and don't shut down you will recover just fine. IMO HCG will save you a lot of problems when run on cycle.
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I don't think thats the consensus on this board at all. We have a bunch of different guys on this board with different goals. Even if you do run long heavy cycles and you use HCG while on cycle, stay full and don't shut down you will recover just fine. IMO HCG will save you a lot of problems when run on cycle.
I agree with you there. Some endocrinologists have shown that long periods of testicular atrophy can be a reason for the long lag in hormonal recovery. A small dose (too much at once can damage the leydig cells of the testes) of HCG, once a week would probably help prevent as much testicular dysfunction while on cycle.
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I agree with you there. Some endocrinologists have shown that long periods of testicular atrophy can be a reason for the long lag in hormonal recovery. A small dose (too much at once can damage the leydig cells of the testes) of HCG, once a week would probably help prevent as much testicular dysfunction while on cycle.
absolutely, I have posted studies on this board that show that 500iu e72 hours is what works best. The studies were run for quite a long time at even higher doses and no sensitivity was shown at all. Very safe dose IMO