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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on July 07, 2008, 06:16:49 AM
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Either this message is 9 months to late or 3 months too early but I have a feeling that no matter how good Wolf looks that the IFBB is going to try turning this into a "changing of the guard" for Heath. Heath will probably get more comparison with Cutler than Wolf will because they want to get Heath ready for next year.
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240 believes the O will go to Dexter.
Which will set up a poor man's Ronnie-Jay rematch in 2009.
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Jay had to wait his turn, now does Wolf, the O has become so predictable and boring it's not funny
anymore.
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Jay Cutler has been one of the very best Mr Olympias in terms of presenting a more positive image of the sport.
His physique fully deserved to dethrone Ronnie Retard and if he comes in half decent this year, then last year was a deserved gift.
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Jay will win just because Muscltech needs a proper return on their investment.
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Many people believe that with the rival split in the industry (the two magazine giants), there is no way that the title "Joe Weider's Mr Olympia" title is going to be given to a non-weider athlete... that there is no way they hand over their name to the mantle of MD to use as they see fit for 11 months. That is a 2007 Martinez can't beat a 2007 Cutler, then no MD athlete will ever topple a Weider guy.
I'm sure that's just conspiracy theory though, right? Just message board nuts...
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Many people believe that with the rival split in the industry (the two magazine giants), there is no way that the title "Joe Weider's Mr Olympia" title is going to be given to a non-weider athlete... that there is no way they hand over their name to the mantle of MD to use as they see fit for 11 months. That is a 2007 Martinez can't beat a 2007 Cutler, then no MD athlete will ever topple a Weider guy.
I'm sure that's just conspiracy theory though, right? Just message board nuts...
worse thing ever that Magazines can actually "hire" people, everybody should be able to hire everybody for shots and thats it, no
mag should "own" some of these guys.
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Jay Cutler has been one of the very best Mr Olympias in terms of presenting a more positive image of the sport.
His physique fully deserved to dethrone Ronnie Retard and if he comes in half decent this year, then last year was a deserved gift.
How?
I fail to see him doing anything positive apart from winning shows and the occasional guest posing... he has done jack shit for the
sport, I hate it when people say: uh yeah he's a great ambassador for the sport ::) Bullshit, he has done nothing.
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worse thing ever that Magazines can actually "hire" people, everybody should be able to hire everybody for shots and thats it, no
mag should "own" some of these guys.
I dunno. If you invest money hyping a guy, so he can get on the cover of another mag and sell issues... that hurts your bottom line. part of the FLEX domination is that THEY owned Cutler/Coleman for all those years. The top rivalry in BBing, and MD couldn't interview either of those guys.
Now that MD has signed some of the top guys, you see top guys getting more money. Wouldn't you LOVE to be in Dennis Wolf's shoes come contract time? There could be a real bidding war for him, the next rival to Phil Heath in the Cutler/Coleman matchup for the next 5 years. Thanks to the mags signing guys, the athletes actually have MORE earning power.
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Bullshit, he has done nothing.
Oh, sorry, didn't realize you were Jay's personal assistant ::) ::)
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I dunno. If you invest money hyping a guy, so he can get on the cover of another mag and sell issues... that hurts your bottom line. part of the FLEX domination is that THEY owned Cutler/Coleman for all those years. The top rivalry in BBing, and MD couldn't interview either of those guys.
Now that MD has signed some of the top guys, you see top guys getting more money. Wouldn't you LOVE to be in Dennis Wolf's shoes come contract time? There could be a real bidding war for him, the next rival to Phil Heath in the Cutler/Coleman matchup for the next 5 years. Thanks to the mags signing guys, the athletes actually have MORE earning power.
Wolf was approached by muscletech righ after the Olympia. Someone posted a Youtube video of it and this schmoe from MT appraoches Wolf and slips him a busness card. Wold pretty much told the guy to Fuck off and earlier this year extended his contract with Nutrex. The guy is loyal because Nutrex believed in him and gave him the chance.
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Wolf was approached by muscletech righ after the Olympia. Someone posted a Youtube video of it and this schmoe from MT appraoches Wolf and slips him a busness card. Wold pretty much told the guy to Fuck off and earlier this year extended his contract with Nutrex. The guy is loyal because Nutrex believed in him and gave him the chance.
well, if someone gives you a business card in front of the camera, what else CAN you do?
I'm just saying that in a year, if he gets #3 at the O and keeps Phil heath at #4...
his email box might have a $300k or $500k offer...
and loyalty is one thing, but half a million bucks is another ;)
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Oh, sorry, didn't realize you were Jay's personal assistant ::) ::)
well don't come back to me with that sarcastic shit, you were the person that was so sure he has
done amazing things for this sport, so I ask you why is he such a great ambassador to this sport ?
please good excamples only.
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well, if someone gives you a business card in front of the camera, what else CAN you do?
I'm just saying that in a year, if he gets #3 at the O and keeps Phil heath at #4...
his email box might have a $300k or $500k offer...
and loyalty is one thing, but half a million bucks is another ;)
here you go fellas ;) the look from jay is priceless
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Wolf had on his business face there too. He didn't insult the guy. He took his card and nodded and shook his hand. Wolf is a smart guy.
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Wolf had on his business face there too. He didn't insult the guy. He took his card and nodded and shook his hand. Wolf is a smart guy.
I know but man it still makes me laugh to this day ;)
Rob i have an interview with an engineer now, but I would like to chat with you regarding the pm you send me later on, i want to make sure that I have that money wisely spend.
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didn he get offered something like a million dollars?
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Cutler is far from being charismatic and he hasn't changed a thing when it comes to the perception of this "sport". But he's relatively beter than a retard like Ronnie who could just yell "Lightweight; yeah, buddy; and peanuts".
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well don't come back to me with that sarcastic shit, you were the person that was so sure he has
done amazing things for this sport, so I ask you why is he such a great ambassador to this sport ?
please good excamples only.
He has done far more mainstream work than any MR O . Loaded, FHM , appeared on numerous chat shows and presented himself as an articulate , intelligent guy, unlike Ronnie who made bodybuilders look like retarded losers. Lots of charity work and initiatives all over the world.
He most certainly is a great ambassador . He presents a respectable image to the wider world of a stable, successful homelife and of having a brain. Makes bodybuilding at least look less of fetish sport for convicted junkies and g4p losers.
Maybe some people want the sport to stay in the gutter, or bathhouse, but if anyone is going to take it to the next level, it's Jay. Dorian would never do any interviews, or anything, and Coleman presented the image of a mental defective.
Criticize Jay for being fortunate last year by all means but it's ignorant to say he's not been a great ambassador for Bodybuilding. He's been the best since Arnold.
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Lots of charity work and initiatives all over the world.
Can you share some details on this? Thanks!
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Either this message is 9 months to late or 3 months too early but I have a feeling that no matter how good Wolf looks that the IFBB is going to try turning this into a "changing of the guard" for Heath. Heath will probably get more comparison with Cutler than Wolf will because they want to get Heath ready for next year.
Wolf kills Heath. Wolf and Cutler are the one and two this year. They will probly give it to Jay again.
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Can you share some details on this? Thanks!
There has been two threads on here about him in South America doing charity work .
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Many people believe that with the rival split in the industry (the two magazine giants), there is no way that the title "Joe Weider's Mr Olympia" title is going to be given to a non-weider athlete... that there is no way they hand over their name to the mantle of MD to use as they see fit for 11 months. That is a 2007 Martinez can't beat a 2007 Cutler, then no MD athlete will ever topple a Weider guy.
I'm sure that's just conspiracy theory though, right? Just message board nuts...
i couldnt have put it better myself
And im of the feeling that sooner rather than later theres going to be an organisational split and a new MD federation forming
How to do it? Its so easy execution wise , that its unfunny :
All the athletes that are signed with MD , make up the new upstart federation .eg: Wolf, Dex ,Kai , Melvin , Heath , lee priest ,centapani , brewer , fankhouser etc etc...(depends who theyv signed) all withdraw from the IFBB and compete for the MD version of the MR OLYMPIA , whose prize money is in around the vicinity of a million $.the money will be the draw ANNNND competin with the likes of such caliber athletes
MD has the contact and the backing of nuuuumerous sponsors who are on MD`s side anyway...like gerard dente of MHP AND A HOST of others.Basically the companies will take sides.I would assume for example THAT if a supp companies top guiy is competing in MD`s fed , that they would support MD eg.: Nutrex with Wolf.Have you guys seen the sponsors MD has? :o numerous !
Also i suppose that all those who are fed up with the IFBB would by default support MD`s organisation.I keep on reading on this forum how the experts speak , as if the *HATE* IFBB
It also would depend on how MD structures their org , in term of prize moneys , sanction fees for shows, an amateur division , treatment of athletes ( ltreated like real athletes , with medical , airfares paid for ,salries , a union , promotion is key - meaning trying to get more exposure on TV , working out television deals....etc
There would be a cmplete split in the IFBB , because MD is not a rogue unproven organisation like PDI was , MD is part of the fabric of the industry.Its just a choice.MD doesnt have to make people situp and take notice like what B&A and PDI tried to do , they already ARE PLAYERS.With flex wheeler , dorian , platz etc.. already in their camp they have made ppl
Money is the real lure and bait....and with the contacts MD has , it most certainly could be arranged
I ceratinly most definately see it coming , infact we are on the verge of it
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Jay Cutler has been one of the very best Mr Olympias in terms of presenting a more positive image of the sport.
His physique fully deserved to dethrone Ronnie Retard and if he comes in half decent this year, then last year was a deserved gift.
bullseye...not that many will get this....
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Cutler is far from being charismatic and he hasn't changed a thing when it comes to the perception of this "sport". But he's relatively beter than a retard like Ronnie who could just yell "Lightweight; yeah, buddy; and peanuts".
You can't forget that "dees r my perpiction pwills for my coleespherol..." Epic lack of intelligence.
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240 believes the O will go to Dexter.
Which will set up a poor man's Ronnie-Jay rematch in 2009.
You had too much vodka this weekend, huh. No way in hell will dex ever beat jay this year.
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bullseye...not that many will get this....
Are you referring to the interview in that documentary that came out last month where Jay acknowledges steroid use in pro bodybuilding? ;D
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Are you referring to the interview in that documentary that came out last month where Jay acknowledges steroid use in pro bodybuilding? ;D
He said it gave him an "edge" like he was doing something radically different than other BBer's, when in reality he just pumps his body full of shit, lifts some weights and then sleeps a lot.
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Are you referring to the interview in that documentary that came out last month where Jay acknowledges steroid use in pro bodybuilding? ;D
no, but he'd be disingenuous if he did not.
he looks better admitting something everyone assumes to be true.
since all mr. o's do them, the one who is forthright shines best...unlike those such as ashley, lacour, etc.
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i really don't see the deal with wolfe...not an O winner, IMO.
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i really don't see the deal with wolfe.jay ..not an O winner, IMO.
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I think you can mail it in early, they will hand it to Jay again this year. If they gave it to him last year looking as he did... :-\
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i really don't see the deal with wolfe...not an O winner, IMO.
Moose, I agree.
I am not sure why there is so much hype.
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Moose, I agree.
I am not sure why there is so much hype.
don't get me wrong. he's great, but i think you will agree, sm, he is missing something....that extra that says 'mr.o'...that 'wow' factor...i don't think he can overcome the high lat insertions, poor calves...i dunno
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wow factor.., i think i need a vacation.
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wow factor.., i think i need a vacation.
its a marketing term
agree
no vacation for 15 yrs
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don't get me wrong. he's great, but i think you will agree, sm, he is missing something....that extra that says 'mr.o'...that 'wow' factor...i don't think he can overcome the high lat insertions, poor calves...i dunno
Ronnie's calves were so great and he one a few sandows.. ::)
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He doesn't have a back that can win a Mr Olympia. No back = no Sandow.
Jay's was weak once but he brought it up amazingly. Wolf will need to the same and that will take time.
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Ronnie's calves were so great and he one a few sandows.. ::)
coleman calves=good enough
wolfe's calves=not
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He doesn't have a back that can win a Mr Olympia. No back = no Sandow.
Jay's was weak once but he brought it up amazingly. Wolf will need to the same and that will take time.
that is a true statement
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jay seems like he would be the life of any party
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Either this message is 9 months to late or 3 months too early but I have a feeling that no matter how good Wolf looks that the IFBB is going to try turning this into a "changing of the guard" for Heath. Heath will probably get more comparison with Cutler than Wolf will because they want to get Heath ready for next year.
Why should they pick Heath? White guys sell more supplements than black guys, and selling supplements is the entire purpose of this "sport", after all.
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Can you share some details on this? Thanks!
Here's more info on Jay's charitable initiatives:
http://www.thejaycutlerfoundation.org/
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There has been two threads on here about him in South America doing charity work .
get a grip.
He makes a living off oiling himself up and posing infront of thousands hundreds of fans schmoes and breaks the law on a regular bases by using illegal drugs.
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get a grip.
He makes a living off oiling himself up and posing infront of thousands hundreds of fans schmoes and breaks the law on a regular bases by using illegal drugs.
So? welcome to pro bodybuilding. Still doesn't stop him doing a lot of good work for charity . Haney did the same sport and did tons of charity and community work as the Mr O too.
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get a grip.
He makes a living off oiling himself up and posing infront of thousands hundreds of fans schmoes and breaks the law on a regular bases by using illegal drugs.
well at least Jay's honest to kids & teenagers about the crucial role that Muscletech supplements play in achieving his physique.
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What is the role of Mr. Olympia? Do people really expect him to travel through Africa and feed the dying children?
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What is the role of Mr. Olympia? Do people really expect him to travel through Africa and feed the dying children?
Entirely up to the winner but it helps promote a more positive, life-affirming image of the sport if they do.
I mean, we all bitch about it being some sick, joke fetish full of junkies and g4pay f.aggots but when someone comes along who could help lift it out the gutter, you guys don't like that too.
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What is the role of Mr. Olympia? Do people really expect him to travel through Africa and feed the dying children?
i think they should have enough worries about their own health.
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You had too much vodka this weekend, huh. No way in hell will dex ever beat jay this year.
Although outmassed, many believed Dexter should have beaten both Jay and Vic in 07.
Now that Vic is out and Dex is well, Dex is on the winning team now.
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Entirely up to the winner but it helps promote a more positive, life-affirming image of the sport if they do.
I mean, we all bitch about it being some sick, joke fetish full of junkies and g4pay f.aggots but when someone comes along who could help lift it out the gutter, you guys don't like that too.
do you think that a professional bodybuilder (as a professional bodybuilder and not in some other capacity) can help lift some people out of the gutter?
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The best competitor last year was Victor Martinez.
Don't know why Jay Cutler won. He was blocky, holding lots of water, no symmetry, big GH gut, nothing outstanding.
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The best competitor last year was Victor Martinez.
Don't know why Jay Cutler won. He was blocky, holding lots of water, no symmetry, big GH gut, nothing outstanding.
morally corrupt
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guy with the best hair won, i don't see a problem with that
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30lbs of anabolic water.
;D
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He doesn't have a back that can win a Mr Olympia. No back = no Sandow.
Jay's was weak once but he brought it up amazingly. Wolf will need to the same and that will take time.
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i really don't see the deal with wolfe...not an O winner, IMO.
Admit it, you are only saying this because he is not American and Jay is.
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WOLFFFFF !!!!!!!!!!!!
HHOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ni g g a looks like fuckin statue !
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seriously, MONSTER_TRICEPS. "No back" "No 'wow' factor". Who are these people ???
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That third picture with no oil is mind blowing. He looks like a cartoon.
Everyone keeps saying Jay represents the sport in a positive way; what the heck does that have to do with a bodybuilding contest? Absolutely nothing, a show should be judged by best physique only and period. Wolf cannot get less then second, impossible.
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:o :o :o
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how does someone lack 'wow factor' when they're the first thing to draw your eye ???
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its a goddamn shame their is so much politics in the judging of this sport
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Many guys more ripped than he is.
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Many guys more ripped than he is.
Certainly not Jay on that night
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>:(
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tight waist, broad shoulders, flaring quads, TALL
Mr. Olympia
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How?
I fail to see him doing anything positive apart from winning shows and the occasional guest posing... he has done jack shit for the
sport, I hate it when people say: uh yeah he's a great ambassador for the sport ::) Bullshit, he has done nothing.
Other than Arnold , you are right.
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i agree with 240.
I am one of those 'people' who thought dex should have won mr o last year.
i feel anyone who looks at it through unbiased eyes, will feel the same. he does not have the height, but height has nothing to do with mr olympia.
dex has the complete package, and is always in condition.
jay is big, but lets face it he should not have won a mr o, his conditioning is terrible ( except for 2001 mr o), he still has a poor back (big yes, but lacking detail), and from those pics wolf owns him from the back too.
wolf is getting better there is no doubt, but he needs top bring up 1 or 2 things before he will claim a mr o. ( and sign with a bigger company)
this year jay will win again, with dex 2nd. its already been decided, he will then retire with 3. he knows his time is up.
heath is the hot thing, but its too early for him and next to dex/wolf he would be blown away.
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How?
I fail to see him doing anything positive apart from winning shows and the occasional guest posing... he has done jack shit for the
sport, I hate it when people say: uh yeah he's a great ambassador for the sport ::) Bullshit, he has done nothing.
hey, i have the sam feelings jay ;D
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The IFBB top shows have controversy after controversy. It will be the same this year. Seems to me the whole damn organization is bankrupt and corrupt. At the very least they are incompetent to stage honest and valid physique contests. Let us not mention testing for banned substances. What a circus and what a shame.
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The IFBB top shows have controversy after controversy. It will be the same this year. Seems to me the whole damn organization is bankrupt and corrupt. At the very least they are incompetent to stage honest and valid physique contests. Let us not mention testing for banned substances. What a circus and what a shame.
Yeah...the only year and show they got it right was when you won the "Mr. Canada", right Basile..?
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Why does anyone care about Mainstream support?
We have a former Mr.Olympia as a head actor of the 90's and a friggen governor of California and this has made no difference.
That's not what it's about. It's about selling supplements.
Jay has a good image of being an All American boy that worked hard for his muscle.
Plus he's white. Who's the biggest market in supplement sales?
Wolf speaks German and is sponsored by the wrong people.
Jay's sucked dick paid his dues. He's Mr.Olympia. But he's not the best bodybuilder in the world going on the Mr.O 2007.
He's the biggest around, shit if he was in condition in 2007 no-one would have complained, he's just too big for the rest of them.
But he was way off. Going off the 2007 judging you should have given the 2006 show to Ronnie.
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Yeah...the only year and show they got it right was when you won the "Mr. Canada", right Basile..?
basile = OWNED ;D
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All the athletes that are signed with MD , make up the new upstart federation .eg: Wolf, Dex ,Kai , Melvin , Heath , lee priest ,centapani , brewer ,
DEX, heath, melvin, are all weider guys
priest is a musclemag guys
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basile = OWNED ;D
You = douchebag.
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Rusty Jeffers was robbed by the IFBB and Bob Chick! That is a fact.
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Why does anyone care about Mainstream support?
We have a former Mr.Olympia as a head actor of the 90's and a friggen governor of California and this has made no difference.
That's not what it's about. It's about selling supplements.
Jay has a good image of being an All American boy that worked hard for his muscle.
Plus he's white. Who's the biggest market in supplement sales?
Wolf speaks German and is sponsored by the wrong people.
Jay's sucked dick paid his dues. He's Mr.Olympia. But he's not the best bodybuilder in the world going on the Mr.O 2007.
He's the biggest around, shit if he was in condition in 2007 no-one would have complained, he's just too big for the rest of them.
But he was way off. Going off the 2007 judging you should have given the 2006 show to Ronnie.
You are right.
It all comes down to two things
Business
MATH
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I have a huge amount of respect for J. I wish he comes in for the O heavier, bigger, and as ripped as he was at his peak. That would be awesome. But I suspect Wolf will take it. His physique and conditioning is amazing. He just needs to work on his tan..... :)
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Rusty Jeffers was robbed by the IFBB and Bob Chick! That is a fact.
Bob looking great again!