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for those that have played around with different doses of nandralone
you guys notice any huge changes at any certain dose?
like say...the jump from 600-800mg per week made a big difference? or any doseage... or is it just gradual increases...
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i have ran it at 800mg a few times and it wasn't much different than 600mg.
The highest i've seen a person run was 1000mg with 2500mg test and the guy was a monster, but he had been using AAS for over 5 years straight.
my personal experience with AAS is you need to double the dosage to see a vast improvement in gains, but that is just my experience. so going from 400mg to 800mg would make a very noticeable difference in strength and size.
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for those that have played around with different doses of nandralone
you guys notice any huge changes at any certain dose?
like say...the jump from 600-800mg per week made a big difference? or any doseage... or is it just gradual increases...
3ml of 300mg for a total of 900mgs
is a great dosage. It takes a while for your
body to adjust since it is a longer ester.
I wouldn't go from 600 to 900 though,
I'd wait till next cycle, and blast it with 900
right off the bat. You're body is getting used to
it, and receptors wont respond to 900 now as good
as if you did it the next time around.
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thanks for the answers.. pretty much what i though, i fugured its just like any aas... since they all work basically through the same mechanism...
oh, chainsaw, i got nandralone phenylpropionate so its short ester steroid
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i have ran it at 800mg a few times and it wasn't much different than 600mg.
The highest i've seen a person run was 1000mg with 2500mg test and the guy was a monster, but he had been using AAS for over 5 years straight.
my personal experience with AAS is you need to double the dosage to see a vast improvement in gains, but that is just my experience. so going from 400mg to 800mg would make a very noticeable difference in strength and size.
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JESUS! :o
2.5G Test ew?
Did his size and strength justify that kind of usage, Overload or was he just roided out to be roided out?
DIV
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JESUS! :o
2.5G Test ew?
Did his size and strength justify that kind of usage, Overload or was he just roided out to be roided out?
DIV
He was the biggest person i had ever seen in a gym who wasn't a pro.
Now, he looked like a bloated mess, but he was strong as hell and made gains that he kept, even after cruising.
Incline pressing 180 DB's for reps at his strongest...405 front squats for sets of 15...535 pound flat bench press...585 deadlift for reps.
i'd say he was a silverback, 5'10" about 275 pounds...
I trained with him for almost a year, and he was very honest about everything he did, and why.
If you saw him today, you would never know...hasn't touched a weight in 3 years.
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to say that one certain doseage is where gains cease, you would need to know the amount of total ar's in your body, and the total binding capactiy for each mg of androgen. because unless you are activating EVERY SINGLE LAST andro receptor... more is still going to benefit you. and thats not even taking into account the effects on blood volume, gh release, increasing ar density, activity ar on adipose tissue...ect ect ect
i mean..the recommended doseage for anadrol is something like 500mg per day !! these docs know that more = better in this specific case
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Looks like someone read through those articles I posted the other week... :D
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He was the biggest person i had ever seen in a gym who wasn't a pro.
Now, he looked like a bloated mess, but he was strong as hell and made gains that he kept, even after cruising.
Incline pressing 180 DB's for reps at his strongest...405 front squats for sets of 15...535 pound flat bench press...585 deadlift for reps.
i'd say he was a silverback, 5'10" about 275 pounds...
I trained with him for almost a year, and he was very honest about everything he did, and why.
If you saw him today, you would never know...hasn't touched a weight in 3 years.
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Overload,
Why would a guy that jacked ever give up the weights? ???
Was he linked to the Bain?
Looks like someone read through those articles I posted the other week... :D
Are trying to tell me that "someone" is learning? :D
DIV
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Looks like someone read through those articles I posted the other week... :D
dude i have scoured that journal of endocrinology archive and read everything they have to offer ! :D i amt hinking about payign the fee and getting al of the full texts
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Overload,
Why would a guy that jacked ever give up the weights? ???
Was he linked to the Bain?
Are trying to tell me that "someone" is learning? :D
DIV
division dont be a dick.. i leave your posts alone, you should leave mine alone.
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dude i have scoured that journal of endocrinology archive and read everything they have to offer ! :D i amt hinking about payign the fee and getting al of the full texts
If you're in school don't pay, you can usually gain access through your schools library.. Im graduated, but my login and pass still work and I get access to a absurd amount of Journals.
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division dont be a dick.. i leave your posts alone, you should leave mine alone.
Your posts don't mean anything to me, but your lack of knowledge does.
If you're in school don't pay, you can usually gain access through your schools library.. Im graduated, but my login and pass still work and I get access to a absurd amount of Journals.
Can you give baby dizzle some Knowledge? :-X
DIV
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Your posts don't mean anything to me, but your lack of knowledge does.
Can you give baby dizzle some Knowledge? :-X
DIV
okay mr. "clomid put 20lbs of fat on me" ::) ... or how about mr. " alin sucks , because he didnt send me two free packs instead of one free pack " ::)
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I've never ran more then 600mg/wk but I noticed a good bit of difference between 400mg/wk and 600mg/wk.
However, at 600mg/wk of deca I cannot controll my nose bleeds...400mg/wk no problem.
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Overload,
Why would a guy that jacked ever give up the weights? ???
Was he linked to the Bain?
DIV
No recs for this guy, he didn't even drink beer.
He was at the top of the amateur level and got screwed by "politics" at a Pro qualifier and got 3rd, when he clearly deserved 1st. this was the third time he had been screwed by politics. he was so irritated about getting fucked so many times, he quit...took clomid and nolva for 6 months, gave up the iron for ever.
This was almost 4 years ago, and he was in several magazine articles training with pro's...many here know him.
No bain, he got ripped by the "system"...i know why he got screwed, but that's a whole new story all together.
He found a new hobby, and is doing quite well at it.
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dude i have scoured that journal of endocrinology archive and read everything they have to offer ! :D i amt hinking about payign the fee and getting al of the full texts
are you:
a) reading everything and not understanding anything
b) reading everything and understanding a bit
c) reading everything and understanding everything?
I ask you this because afaik you are just a school boy with a internet pt diploma so... i would like to know, thats it.
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Your posts don't mean anything to me, but your lack of knowledge does.
Can you give baby dizzle some Knowledge? :-X
DIV
Amen ! Most often a small amount of knowledge in the wrong hands can be dangerous.
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are you:
a) reading everything and not understanding anything
b) reading everything and understanding a bit
c) reading everything and understanding everything?
I ask you this because afaik you are just a school boy with a internet pt diploma so... i would like to know, thats it.
reading everything that i feel pertains to the subject matter and understanding most of it.. the things i dont understand i re read and re read and ask soembody who i think WOULD understand it.
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reading everything that i feel pertains to the subject matter and understanding most of it.. the things i dont understand i re read and re read and ask soembody who i think WOULD understand it.
Do you really think you understand something that you have never studied? By re reading something you can understand without a solid education? Are you serious? Because if so we are witnesing a very smart person that is able to learn about everything without having any serious education.
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Do you really think you understand something that you have never studied? By re reading something you can understand without a solid education? Are you serious? Because if so we are witnesing a very smart person that is able to learn about everything without having any serious education.
well... how can you study something you dont understand? how can you understand something you dont study ?
i read the available information and studies and peer reviewed articles..and i remember what i read and i understand what i remember..
im not sure there is any other way to learn something
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well... how can you study something you dont understand? how can you understand something you dont study ?
i read the available information and studies and peer reviewed articles..and i remember what i read and i understand what i remember..
im not sure there is any other way to learn something
Exactly, you are studying something that you think you understand, how about you apply at your local uni and become a doctor or something? Someone with your knowledge should succeed it pretty fast (if your knowledge is actually KNOWLEDGE thats it)
The proved way to learn is to go to uni, pass tests, hard work, etc, not by just applying at some loosy pt course on the internet man.
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i dont want to be a doctor and i dont care if other people think i know my stuff.
i want to learn and understand.
other than that i dont care about accredidation or status or any nonsense like that.
why you always bring up that pt cert ? i got it only so when i train friends or people i want to train i can do so legally at a gym .. its not my career or anything at all like that
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whats the difference between knowledge and actual knowledge ?
why can someone enrolled in college courses understand studies and articles and information but i canntot understand them simply because im not in a classroom?
you can get a harvard level education at any well equipped public library for FREE, only difference between the two people would not be knowledge but "certification of knowledge"
which doesnt mean jack crap really
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whats the difference between knowledge and actual knowledge ?
why can someone enrolled in college courses understand studies and articles and information but i canntot understand them simply because im not in a classroom?
you can get a harvard level education at any well equipped public library for FREE, only difference between the two people would not be knowledge but "certification of knowledge"
which doesnt mean jack crap really
Exactly what i thought, thats a typical answer from people that fear the fact to study something and see if they actually understand or face the truth which is: I was wasting my time thinking this was easy and that i knew everything.
Have fun man, in today's world, theres no room for you, maybe for you and your online pt diploma at a loosy gym, yes, but be sure to apply at your nearest welfare office, because you will need money at a certain point and at the same time, hate yourself for not studying something.
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yeah, okay benz, great psych evaluation. ::)
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yeah, okay benz, great psych evaluation. ::)
You always complain when i criticize you, but it seems like this time you just dont want to face the truth...
As i said, theres no room for people that think they know shit, you gotta prove it, even if you think its just crap, you must do it.
Btw if its all "jack crap" i dont get why did you apply for a online pt diploma, not needed right? ::)
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i really dont care if peple think i have proved anything. i dont care if a have a peice of paper that says "he knows his shit. signed-professor dickface". i dont want to make this a job, i dont need any certification. i learn for myself. thats it. the pt cert is only because people ask me all the time to come into the gym and train them, but the gyms wont let me do this without being a certified pt and being on their insurance.
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i really dont care if peple think i have proved anything. i dont care if a have a peice of paper that says "he knows his shit. signed-professor dickface". i dont want to make this a job, i dont need any certification. i learn for myself. thats it. the pt cert is only because people ask me all the time to come into the gym and train them, but the gyms wont let me do this without being a certified pt and being on their insurance.
You dont want to make it a job yet you applied for a online pt diploma because "people ask you all the time to come into the gym and train them"? Seriously, do you look like jay cutler? Because afaik, 99% of the people around ask the big guys, those with the hormonized to the bones looking, to train them, and not some random punk, right?
Again, you dont learn & understand, by just re reading a book over and over, if so, please pick some economy books, do it and then call george soros or bill gates, and tell them you want to take care of their biz, you are gifted for sure. ::)
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You dont want to make it a job yet you applied for a online pt diploma because "people ask you all the time to come into the gym and train them"? correct Seriously, do you look like jay cutler? no Because afaik, 99% of the people around ask the big guys, those with the hormonized to the bones looking, to train them, and not some random punk, right? correct
Again, you dont learn & understand, by just re reading a book over and over yes you do , if so, please pick some economy books, do it and then call george soros or bill gates, and tell them you want to take care of their biz, you are gifted for sure. ::) i have no interest in doig that and those guys dont need any help
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Couldnt expect more from someone whose knowledge is based on md ::)
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Couldnt expect more from someone whose knowledge is based on md ::)
here... educate yourself
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
http://www.nutritiondata.com/
http://www.google.com/
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Hello this is a steroid thread ;D
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Is nadralone the same as nandrolone (i.e. Deca)? If it is the same, then who cares about the dosages. Nandrolone is outdated and overrated.
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Is nadralone the same as nandrolone (i.e. Deca)? If it is the same, then who cares about the dosages. Nadrolone is outdated and overrated.
yes, nandralone/nandrolone..whatever
outdated overrated? ? ? ::)
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yes, nandralone/nandrolone..whatever
outdated overrated? ? ? ::)
Absolutely. There are newer drugs that are much better. I can do without the following:
excess water retention
radically and rapidly decreased sperm count (worse than most anabolics)
decreased libido
In addition, it will suppress endogenous testosterone as much as equal amounts of straight testosterone. The whole high anabolic\low androgen argument for deca is horse shit.
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okay, so what , in your opinion, is better then nandrolone wqhen coupled with test and maybe an oral..for putting on muscle. and WHY.
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okay, so what , in your opinion, is better then nandrolone wqhen coupled with test and maybe an oral..for putting on muscle. and WHY.
Water and avoiding over training.
;D
But I am guessing you want to know what *drug* I think is better than nandrolone for stacking with test/some oral; it depends. Different strokes for different folks.
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Absolutely. There are newer drugs that are much better. I can do without the following:
excess water retention
radically and rapidly decreased sperm count (worse than most anabolics)
decreased libido
In addition, it will suppress endogenous testosterone as much as equal amounts of straight testosterone. The whole high anabolic\low androgen argument for deca is horse shit.
I'm not buying this what so ever. If your worried about water retention use NPP along with prop. As far as being shut down this will not happen if your bumping your HCG while on cycle.
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I'm not buying this what so ever. If your worried about water retention use NPP along with prop. As far as being shut down this will not happen if your bumping your HCG while on cycle.
I am not worried, nor am I selling anything.
One drug to combat the sides of another drug - brilliant suggestion. Did you ever hear about the mongoose problem in Hawaii?
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Water and avoiding over training.
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But I am guessing you want to know what *drug* I think is better than nandrolone for stacking with test/some oral; it depends. Different strokes for different folks.
for me :D
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Deca is a fine compound, does bloat you up a bit, but for me nothing gives me better gains in strength and weight gain more than deca.
I like about 500-600 mg EW with at least that much test along side. Always get PR training poundages when cycling deca, stuff just makes me wanna train heavy and hard.
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lewellyn posted up some info in the md archives that shows that nandralone sends "rewardz" to the brain and actually is a mildly addictive drug
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deca no good, WHAT????????????????????????? Name one person you know who can bench 5 plates and deadlift 7 plates like me that can do it without deca, NO ONE. Deca is beautiful
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here... educate yourself
http://joe.endocrinology-journals.org/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
http://www.nutritiondata.com/
http://www.google.com/
If you want i can pay your education at any good uni, i'll do it for free
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No recs for this guy, he didn't even drink beer.
He was at the top of the amateur level and got screwed by "politics" at a Pro qualifier and got 3rd, when he clearly deserved 1st. this was the third time he had been screwed by politics. he was so irritated about getting fucked so many times, he quit...took clomid and nolva for 6 months, gave up the iron for ever.
This was almost 4 years ago, and he was in several magazine articles training with pro's...many here know him.
No bain, he got ripped by the "system"...i know why he got screwed, but that's a whole new story all together.
He found a new hobby, and is doing quite well at it.
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Overload,
Can you reveal why he got screwed politically?
What happened to the kid? ???
DIV
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Overload,
Can you reveal why he got screwed politically?
What happened to the kid? ???
DIV
The guy who won first place against him was "sponsered" and they had already written an article about him for a magazine, the article would have been useless if he did not win his Pro card...$$$politics$$$. so they gave him the win.
Every single person in the audience complained that my friend should have won, easily...but he lost to a smooth "up and coming" bodybuilder, who ended up only competing in one pro show before he retired.
Not much else to say really, it was a big mess. my friend had dedicated 10 years of his life to bodybuilding, just to get blacklisted because of who he was friends with.
This is the truth as far as i know, but nothing can ever be proven, even Jim Manion knew about this mess.
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I am not worried, nor am I selling anything.
One drug to combat the sides of another drug - brilliant suggestion. Did you ever hear about the mongoose problem in Hawaii?
bro you are another GB gimmick living in the stone age. Why would you not use one drug to combat the sides of another? If you were to get gyno from test would you not use an AI? HCG will keep you full throughout your cycle using nandrolone or not. Lets hear your suggestion of the newer better drugs. For some reason you don't want to come forth with the answer, which tells me A) you dont have one or B) your just playing games on this serious discussion.
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The guy who won first place against him was "sponsered" and they had already written an article about him for a magazine, the article would have been useless if he did not win his Pro card...$$$politics$$$. so they gave him the win.
Every single person in the audience complained that my friend should have won, easily...but he lost to a smooth "up and coming" bodybuilder, who ended up only competing in one pro show before he retired.
Not much else to say really, it was a big mess. my friend had dedicated 10 years of his life to bodybuilding, just to get blacklisted because of who he was friends with.
This is the truth as far as i know, but nothing can ever be proven, even Jim Manion knew about this mess.
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Manion isn't exactly known for avoiding the politics of these things.
That's a huge reason I would never dedicate any of my energy or money in to bodybuilding.
The politics just aren't worth it.
In a subjective sport like bodybuilding, someone's opinion of you as a person can overcome any genetic advantage you may have.
I can't accept that type of bullshit.
Lifting for the love of strength is all there is for me.
bro you are another GB gimmick living in the stone age. Why would you not use one drug to combat the sides of another? If you were to get gyno from test would you not use an AI? HCG will keep you full throughout your cycle using nandrolone or not. Lets hear your suggestion of the newer better drugs. For some reason you don't want to come forth with the answer, which tells me A) you dont have one or B) your just playing games on this serious discussion.
Sounds like he's got an underlying agenda here.
One thing I dislike about forums is the many talking heads who are always trying to push something, rather than being honest about the subject.
Hard to have an honest debate when someone isn't playing a straight hand.
DIV
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I dont like Deca. Hate the way it makes me feel. When ever I have done a cycle with Deca in it my PCT is a much longer process , I get depressed , bad libido. I will never use Deca again. Thats just me. I know a lot of people say Deca + Test + Oral is the king of bulk ect...
Id rather go Test + Tren + Oral...
My best gains cycle was HG Test +GH + Anadrol .
Test is king.
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I dont like Deca. Hate the way it makes me feel. When ever I have done a cycle with Deca in it my PCT is a much longer process , I get depressed , bad libido. I will never use Deca again. Thats just me. I know a lot of people say Deca + Test + Oral is the king of bulk ect...
Id rather go Test + Tren + Oral...
My best gains cycle was HG Test +GH + Anadrol .
Test is king.
If your body can't handle or doesn't like the way deca reacts to your body then by all means find a substitute. This is like saying squats are king, however if one can not find even an once of motivation in squats, but gets super psycked out from leg press then leg press is king for them, motivation in this game is everything, you lose that then no gains. Squats still remain king for 90% of people and deca still serves a very important position in 90% of users.
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for me :D
Like I said, different strokes for different folks (i.e. different drugs for different people). For what it's worth, I am a huge fan of drostanolone. It's hard as hell to find but well worth the effort.
-Kim
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Like I said, different strokes for different folks (i.e. different drugs for different people). For what it's worth, I am a huge fan of drostanolone. It's hard as hell to find but well worth the effort.
-Kim
Kim,
Do we know you? :o
DIV
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Sounds like he's got an underlying agenda here.
One thing I dislike about forums is the many talking heads who are always trying to push something, rather than being honest about the subject.
Hard to have an honest debate when someone isn't playing a straight hand.
DIV
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Shit, you busted me - I am trying to push a new steroid that competes directly with nandrolone. Seriously, I was being honest; I think deca is overrated. In addition, it's faked way too much. Back when Steris deca was all over the place, I used shitloads of it and I am not complaining. I just think it's not the greatest thing for everyone. Hey - if it helps someone bench 500 and pull 700, then mazel tov.
Just trying keep the board lively and open to discussion.
-Kim
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Shit, you busted me - I am trying to push a new steroid that competes directly with nandrolone. Seriously, I was being honest; I think deca is overrated. In addition, it's faked way too much. Back when Steris deca was all over the place, I used shitloads of it and I am not complaining. I just think it's not the greatest thing for everyone. Hey - if it helps someone bench 500 and pull 700, then mazel tov.
Just trying keep the board lively and open to discussion.
-Kim
Norma Hellas were good!
I haven't had anything that compared to those.
DIV
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Kim,
Do we know you? :o
DIV
Not likely, unless you are really into BJJ (although I won a NABBA show back in the day).
-Kim
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Norma Hellas were good!
I haven't had anything that compared to those.
DIV
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Those were excellent. I can remember getting Steris vials (10ml - Deca, Suspension, Ethanate, Cyp) for $45 each. They came shrink wrapped ~ 10 vials per pack.
-Kim
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Those were excellent. I can remember getting Steris vials (10ml - Deca, Suspension, Ethanate, Cyp) for $45 each. They came shrink wrapped ~ 10 vials per pack.
-Kim
Norma Hellas filled me up like nothing else......
The quality of that Deca was so much better than anything I've tried thereafter.
I'm getting an erection just from thinking about them. :-X
DIV
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Ah - the good old days. Thinking back, the best thing I ever did was Syntex anadrol 50. There will NEVER be any drug like that again. If anyone remembers - brown vial with orange label .
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Ah - the good old days. Thinking back, the best thing I ever did was Syntex anadrol 50. There will NEVER be any drug like that again. If anyone remembers - brown vial with orange label .
;D
Yeah my first good cycle was Steris test C, Syntex A-50's Also the vet grade Fina-jet and equipoise, I forget who made em but 30ml jugs, fina was a purple and white lable if I remember and the EQ was blue and white. The Fina and Eq were dosed pretty low like 50mg-ML But thats how the real stuff came.