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Updated at 6:43 a.m., Sunday, July 20, 2008
9 adulterers to be stoned to death in Iran
Associated Press
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran has sentenced eight women and one man convicted of adultery to death by stoning, activists said today.
A lawyer and women's rights activist, Shadi Sadr, said the nine, who are between 27 and 50 years old, were convicted of adultery in separate cases in different Iranian cities. Trial protocol was not applied properly in the cases, she said.
Six of the nine were convicted based solely on judges' decisions with no witnesses or the presence of their lawyers during their confessions, said Sadr, who has been leading a campaign in Iran against stoning deaths.
"Their verdicts are approved, and they may be executed at any time," she told reporters. "We are trying to stop the implementation of their verdicts. And we want to amend the country's penal law, in which death by stoning is prescribed."
Under Iran's Islamic laws, adultery is the only capital offense punishable by stoning. A man is usually buried up to his waist, while a woman is buried up to her neck. Those carrying out the verdict then throw stones until the condemned dies.
Stoning was widely imposed in the early years after Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, but it has seldom been applied in recent years, though the government rarely confirms when it carries out stoning sentences.
Reformist legislators have demanded an end to death by stoning as a punishment for adultery, but opposition from hard-line clerics has sidelined their efforts.
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Yeah, I'm sure Dubai with the same laws put in place is destined to be the world's tourist destination of choice ::)
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Yeah, I'm sure Dubai with the same laws put in place is destined to be the world's tourist destination of choice ::)
Dubai has certain laws for citizens, and other laws for foreign residents & tourists, and some applicable to all.
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Yeah, I'm sure Dubai with the same laws put in place is destined to be the world's tourist destination of choice ::)
According to some Getbiggers, this never happens in Iran and the media is only trying to paint a bad picture. I'm sure it's all a conspiracy. Just like their executions of 10 year olds and what not. ::)
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will this be on youtube?
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will this be on youtube?
can't see it on youtube, but it's on other upload sites, it's been posted on the general topics board a few times, some just recently.
apparently whenever it gets uploaded on youtube muslims report it, and ask that is be taken off, ::) go figure
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Dubai has certain laws for citizens, and other laws for foreign residents & tourists, and some applicable to all.
Sure, they say that. If that is true can you explain to me why the Dubai courts want the British government to extradite a 16 year old boy back to Dubai, because a group of 21 years olds that raped him reported him as a homosexual to the police ::) So he must face punishment.
He went to visit his dad who lives in Dubai
You want to take your chances go ahead. The laws for citizens apply to everyone. That is like saying an illegal alien can come to the US and murder and get off free....oh wait that's true
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Sure, they say that. If that is true can you explain to me why the Dubai courts want the British government to extradite a 16 year old boy back to Dubai, because a group of 21 years olds that raped him reported him as a homosexual to the police ::) So he must face punishment.
He went to visit his dad who lives in Dubai
You want to take your chances go ahead. The laws for citizens apply to everyone. That is like saying an illegal alien can come to the US and murder and get off free....oh wait that's true
What is it about the word "some" that you do not understand? no reading comprehension problem? Sha right! ::)
Dubai has certain laws for citizens, and other laws for foreign residents & tourists, and some applicable to all.
I think that was pretty explanatory enough, ...but for your sake I'm make it even simpler.
When I typed that I was thinking about liquor laws and the purchase & consumption of alcohol,
...things alot of tourists like to do. You did mention Dubai's potential as a tourist destination did you not?
Well Dubai citizens are not allowed to purchase or consume alcohol, but foreign tourists & residents are.
That would be an example of certain laws applicable to citizens, and other laws for foreign residents & tourists.
Then there are the laws pertaining to two unmarried / unrelated people of the opposite sex being alone together.
That applies to everyone... citizen, tourist, foreign worker etc. It's frequently ignored when it occurs by foreigners, unless someone makes a specific issue of complaining about it to authorities, then action will be taken, and ignorance of this law does the defendants no good.
I hope that clarified my statement enough for you to comprehend what has actually been said.
“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know?
For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.” --Caesar
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El_Pajero,
I'm not sure why you posted that clip, ...but thanks.
It brought back fond memories of me & my girlfriends practicing for cheerleader tryouts in the backyard. :D
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What is it about this kid being a tourist you did not get? And that no matter what laws a barbaric cult like religion has when it comes down to it, the United States Embassy can't help you out.
Posting some tourist laws, makes a difference? Your not dealing with a current body of law, your dealing with a prehistoric group of people that stone people to death.
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What is it about this kid being a tourist you did not get? And that no matter what laws a barbaric cult like religion has when it comes down to it, the United States Embassy can't help you out.
Posting some tourist laws, makes a difference? Your not dealing with a current body of law, your dealing with a prehistoric group of people that stone people to death.
I think the kid was from France, ...but of course that has everything to do with the US Embassy's inability to help a kid from France, accused of a crime in Dubai, which of course has everything to do with the sentencing of 9 adulteres from Iran. oh I see your logic now.
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I think the kid was from France, ...but of course that has everything to do with the US Embassy's inability to help a kid from France, accused of a crime in Dubai, which of course has everything to do with the sentencing of 9 adulteres from Iran. oh I see your logic now.
Maybe you can see the similarities as they were both sex related crimes, and have arcane punishment attached - they wanted to flog the boy, but the British consulate would not allow it. Your right Einstein, it was France.
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Maybe you can see the similarities as they were both sex related crimes, and have arcane punishment attached - they wanted to flog the boy, but the British consulate would not allow it. Your right Einstein, it was France.
LOL. Did you know that Jag has a 160 IQ, which was what Einstein had?
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Jaq, the stoning's are due to islamic law.
Do you think islam is a religion of peace?
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will this be on youtube?
no but surly on ogrishforum.com
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LOL... I'm not sure why you posted that either. Looks like they're having fun.
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Jaq, the stoning's are due to islamic law.
Do you think islam is a religion of peace?
Actually "our" book calls for the stonings of adulterers too... as well as for betrothed non-virgins, rape victims who don't scream out, blah blah. We just don't adhere to the silliness proscribed within its sacred pages.
But, for all the getbiggers who want military aggression against Iran, isn't this good news? Means 9 people won't propagate and give birth to future terrorists.
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Actually "our" book calls for the stonings of adulterers too... as well as for betrothed non-virgins, rape victims who don't scream out, blah blah. We just don't adhere to the silliness proscribed within its sacred pages.
But, for all the getbiggers who want military aggression against Iran, isn't this good news? Means 9 people won't propagate and give birth to future terrorists.
So what you're saying is that the rest of the world has moved past the teachings of a 2,000 year old book and actually realized how stupid it is? Good thing we can count on Islam to bring us back to the stone ages with their fervent idolization of an archaic text.
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They shouldn't have committed adultery.
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Iran also hangs 10-13 year old kids for being "suspected" homosexuals.
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So what you're saying is that the rest of the world has moved past the teachings of a 2,000 year old book and actually realized how stupid it is? Good thing we can count on Islam to bring us back to the stone ages with their fervent idolization of an archaic text.
Yes, aside from the crazy wacks, we have civilized ourselves. They are stuck in the 13th century. Not much we can do about how they treat their people... but we can keep it out of our western countries. Limit appeasement, get rid of the burqa, etc.
Going on and on about the Koran sucking doesn't change a thing.
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Yes, aside from the crazy wacks, we have civilized ourselves. They are stuck in the 13th century. Not much we can do about how they treat their people... but we can keep it out of our western countries. Limit appeasement, get rid of the burqa, etc.
Going on and on about the Koran sucking doesn't change a thing.
I think it does. The Muslims aren't doing themselves any favors by constantly dominating the headlines with all this bullshit. Most of the kids my age are being raised on all this stuff. They're not going to look too favorably on Islam when they're older.
Europe seems to have had just about enough of their bullshit. Which is hte best thing that could happen.
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I think it does. The Muslims aren't doing themselves any favors by constantly dominating the headlines with all this bullshit. Most of the kids my age are being raised on all this stuff. They're not going to look too favorably on Islam when they're older.
Europe seems to have had just about enough of their bullshit. Which is hte best thing that could happen.
I'm not really talking about exposing the cultural atrocities. I agree that's great and people should be outraged, and do something about it. It's the endless dissecting of the Koran on here and comparing it to our "gentle" OT. We all get it. The Koran sucks "worse." If my town became burqa-ville, I wouldn't be sitting around Getbig comparing Koran/OT notes.
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I'm not really talking about exposing the cultural atrocities. I agree that's great and people should be outraged, and do something about it. It's the endless dissecting of the Koran on here and comparing it to our "gentle" OT. We all get it. The Koran sucks "worse." If my town became burqa-ville, I wouldn't be sitting around Getbig comparing Koran/OT notes.
I think most of the people dissecting the Koran aren't practicers of any religion. I, for one, haven't been to Church in years.
The only reason the Koran gets attacked here is because the overwhelming majority of Christians have evolved with time and put the violence and brutality behind them. Meanwhile, Islam seems to get worse as time goes on.
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I'm not really talking about exposing the cultural atrocities. I agree that's great and people should be outraged, and do something about it. It's the endless dissecting of the Koran on here and comparing it to our "gentle" OT. We all get it. The Koran sucks "worse." If my town became burqa-ville, I wouldn't be sitting around Getbig comparing Koran/OT notes.
Dissecting the koran gets the word out, pin points the justification of atrocities to an ideology - people can be more aware.
What exactly would you do if your town became buraq ville? ::)
Move out? ::)
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I think most of the people dissecting the Koran aren't practicers of any religion. I, for one, haven't been to Church in years.
No need to tell anyone here that, ...it shows.
The only reason the Koran gets attacked here is because the overwhelming majority of Christians have evolved with time and put the violence and brutality behind them. Meanwhile, Islam seems to get worse as time goes on.
...because Nordic has a perverse obsession with doing so.
It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks about the koran more often in a day than many muslims do in a week
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No need to tell anyone here that, ...it shows.
...because Nordic has a perverse obsession with doing so.
It wouldn't surprise me if he thinks about the koran more often in a day than many muslims do in a week
So you're saying I should be going to church? For what reason, Moslem? To let some priest ram what are the supposed teachings of God down my throat?
There may or may not be a higher diety. I don't know, you don't. But I'm sure as shit not that intent on letting other people tell me what he thinks is ok and what isn't. Sorry that you Moslems are convinced that a book written by a pedophile barbarian 1500 years ago is 100% fact and infallible.
Moslem ideologists like you crack me up.
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Dissecting the koran gets the word out, pin points the justification of atrocities to an ideology - people can be more aware.
What exactly would you do if your town became buraq ville? ::)
Move out? ::)
As in... my religion is better than yours? In this case it isn't, since ours ALSO calls for the same punishment. Highlighting the social atrocities works better imo.
What would I do? I'm not sure, probably take to the streets like a hippie, pass along e-mails, join Women Against Burqas or whatever, to pressure politicians, write to newspapers, start a blog, etc...
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So you're saying I should be going to church? For what reason, Moslem? To let some priest ram what are the supposed teachings of God down my throat?
Ya, a few priests have been known to do that, ...down the throat as well as a few other orifices.
Looks like the Republican congressmen have a bit of competition from the priests there.
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As in... my religion is better than yours? In this case it isn't, since ours ALSO calls for the same punishment. Highlighting the social atrocities works better imo.
What would I do? I'm not sure, probably take to the streets like a hippie, pass along e-mails, join Women Against Burqas or whatever, to pressure politicians, write to newspapers, start a blog, etc...
The social atrocities are a direct result of Islam. Read up on Sharia Law. Everything going on is a direct result of what is written in the Koran. Sharia Law is infallible. It's written by God. There is nothing wrong with it. It can't be changed, as that would mean that God was wrong.
Ya, a few priests have been known to do that, ...down the throat as well as a few other orifices.
Looks like the Republican congressmen have a bit of competition from the priests there.
That has what to do with Islam, raghead? Stick to peddling your shitty gas caps please. Your apologist Moslem stance is disgusting.
I can't help but feel sorry for any person that tries to justify the smashing of a 4 year old child's head.
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As in... my religion is better than yours? In this case it isn't, since ours ALSO calls for the same punishment. Highlighting the social atrocities works better imo.
What would I do? I'm not sure, probably take to the streets like a hippie, pass along e-mails, join Women Against Burqas or whatever, to pressure politicians, write to newspapers, start a blog, etc...
I'm an atheist, and yes, I believe atheism to be a superior way of thinking.
Ya, a few priests have been known to do that, ...down the throat as well as a few other orifices.
Looks like the Republican congressmen have a bit of competition from the priests there.
Haha, laughable, a quick dig at priests with a perversion exclusive of that of their own teachings.
Yet, you won't have a dig at islam, which DOES teach child molestation to be OK!
Jag = moslem.
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I think most of the people dissecting the Koran aren't practicers of any religion. I, for one, haven't been to Church in years.
The only reason the Koran gets attacked here is because the overwhelming majority of Christians have evolved with time and put the violence and brutality behind them. Meanwhile, Islam seems to get worse as time goes on.
Then you don't understand that many people feel the bible is to be taken literally.
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Then you don't understand that many people feel the bible is to be taken literally.
Feeling the bible should taken literally and actually following through on the actions it calls for are two different things. Many people may feel they should be taken literally. However, how many do you see running around chopping hands off and what not? Not too many. Big fucking difference.
I believe the last time Christians followed through on that type of thing was in the last Crusades. Only those took place 700+ years ago. It's 2008 now and Moslems are still running around blowing up kids, chopping heads off and stoning women to death.
It amazes me. Like Nordic said, Islam can never be discusses on here without the Moslem apologists coming on and trying to steer the conversation towards Christianity.
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Feeling the bible should taken literally and actually following through on the actions it calls for are two different things. Many people may feel they should be taken literally. However, how many do you see running around chopping hands off and what not? Not too many. Big fucking difference.
I believe the last time Christians followed through on that type of thing was in the last Crusades. Only those took place 700+ years ago. It's 2008 now and Moslems are still running around blowing up kids, chopping heads off and stoning women to death.
It amazes me. Like Nordic said, Islam can never be discusses on here without the Moslem apologists coming on and trying to steer the conversation towards Christianity.
It's not like they didn't know adultery was a bad thing in Iran.
Not apologizing only pointing out the simple truth. Our own religious whackos just aren't in a position to enforce biblical rules and regulations. Anyone who argues different is a bold faced liar. Ask any fundamentalist religious type if they think the bib;e is the direct word of God and they'll say yes.
I just find the double standard enforced here hilarious. Next time some 'christian' blows up an abortion clinic or burns down a black church I can't wait to see everyone explain how this level of crazy only applies to a few Christians.
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It's not like they didn't know adultery was a bad thing in Iran.
Not apologizing only pointing out the simple truth. Our own religious whackos just aren't in a position to enforce biblical rules and regulations. Anyone who argues different is a bold faced liar. Ask any fundamentalist religious type if they think the bib;e is the direct word of God and they'll say yes.
I just find the double standard enforced here hilarious. Next time some 'christian' blows up an abortion clinic or burns down a black church I can't wait to see everyone explain how this level of crazy only applies to a few Christians.
That's a terrible argument. Why is that Muslims have no problem disobeying the law and following through on their aims? You think a little law like 'murder is illegal' is going to stop them? That's why groups like Al Qaeda operate with impunity. Why is it that 99.99% of these Christian "whackjobs" obey the law while Muslims don't?
Should I really be surprised you're referencing the abortion clinic bombings? Let's see, I can probably name on one hand the number of serial abortion clinic bombers in this country. Most people against abortion go to peaceful rallies where they wave posters. Meanwhile, a very large number of Muslim fundamentalists blow up those types of rallies to prove their point.
Why is it that the flaws of Islam can never be pointed out without some Muslim apologist showing up and trying to steer the blame to Christianity? Maybe if you were arguing with people who weren't atheists it might hold some water.
All I know is that a couple million Christians aren't running around trying to kill me every chance they get. If they were, I'd have a problem with them, too. As it stands, they don't. Unless of course, you would like to equate the actions of a few people like Eric Rudolph to the actions of millions of moslems? ;)
Go ahead and prove your point Doc. Eldon posts a thread every month showing the list of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims over the last thirty days. It's usually 300-400 attacks long. Post a list of attacks carried out by Christian fundamentalists for just one month this year. I'd love to see the comparison. My guess is that it wouldn't even be 1/10 the size of the Muslim one.
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It's not like they didn't know adultery was a bad thing in Iran.
Not apologizing only pointing out the simple truth. Our own religious whackos just aren't in a position to enforce biblical rules and regulations. Anyone who argues different is a bold faced liar. Ask any fundamentalist religious type if they think the bib;e is the direct word of God and they'll say yes.
I just find the double standard enforced here hilarious. Next time some 'christian' blows up an abortion clinic or burns down a black church I can't wait to see everyone explain how this level of crazy only applies to a few Christians.
Weak arguements all round.
How many abortion clinics have been blown up by Christians?
Let's compare then if this is the silly way you want to debate to be: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
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Weak arguements all round.
How many abortion clinics have been blown up by Christians?
Let's compare then if this is the silly way you want to debate to be: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
Awful lot of dead women and children in those attacks. It's ok though, this Christian guy named Eric Rudolph blew up some clinics in the 90's so every Muslim terrorist is ok because Christians do it every now and then too!
7/16/2008 Pakistan Lahore 1 0 A teenaged Christian boy is kidnapped, tortured for two days, then killed by Muslims for dating a Muslim girl.
7/17/2008 Somalia Huriwa 5 3 A mother and her two children are among five killed when Holy Warriors stage an ambush.
7/10/2008 Pakistan Bajaur 1 2 Islamic militants kill a 15-year-old girl in a targeted rocket attack on a home.
7/10/2008 Pakistan Dosli 1 0 A doctor is shot four times in the chest. A note pinned to the body accuses him of 'opposing Islam and Jihad.'
7/9/2008 Jordan Mafraq 1 0 A 16-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her brother on suspicion of pre-marital sex.
7/8/2008 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A husband and wife team of laborers is shot, showered with gas and then burned by radical Muslims.
6/28/2008 Iraq Samarrah 50 0 A mass grave is discovered containing women and children among fifty people rounded up by Sunni militants and executed.
6/3/2008 Iraq Baquba 1 0 An 11-year-old boy is shot to death by Freedom Fighters.
6/3/2008 Iraq al-Katoun 1 0 A 5-year-old boy is kidnapped and hung by sectarian Jihadis.
5/22/2008 India Meerut 3 0 Three Hindu youth are brutally tortured and beheaded by a Muslim gang.
That's just a quick scan of that list. Would take me a while to go through the hundreds of attacks on there. :-\
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I give up. You guys are smart enough to understand the point and I'm just too lazy to break it down.
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I give up. You guys are smart enough to understand the point and I'm just too lazy to break it down.
Giving up eh, mind if we stone you to death?
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That's a terrible argument. Why is that Muslims have no problem disobeying the law and following through on their aims? You think a little law like 'murder is illegal' is going to stop them? That's why groups like Al Qaeda operate with impunity. Why is it that 99.99% of these Christian "whackjobs" obey the law while Muslims don't?
Should I really be surprised you're referencing the abortion clinic bombings? Let's see, I can probably name on one hand the number of serial abortion clinic bombers in this country. Most people against abortion go to peaceful rallies where they wave posters. Meanwhile, a very large number of Muslim fundamentalists blow up those types of rallies to prove their point.
Why is it that the flaws of Islam can never be pointed out without some Muslim apologist showing up and trying to steer the blame to Christianity? Maybe if you were arguing with people who weren't atheists it might hold some water.
All I know is that a couple million Christians aren't running around trying to kill me every chance they get. If they were, I'd have a problem with them, too. As it stands, they don't. Unless of course, you would like to equate the actions of a few people like Eric Rudolph to the actions of millions of moslems? ;)
Go ahead and prove your point Doc. Eldon posts a thread every month showing the list of terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims over the last thirty days. It's usually 300-400 attacks long. Post a list of attacks carried out by Christian fundamentalists for just one month this year. I'd love to see the comparison. My guess is that it wouldn't even be 1/10 the size of the Muslim one.
I agree. No comparison at all. And I agree with you and BF that you don't have to compare Islam to anything else when assessing whether or not they have some pretty bizarre teachings and practices.
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I give up. You guys are smart enough to understand the point and I'm just too lazy to break it down.
Jake,
I see option B) and option D) appeal to you too. :P
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I agree. No comparison at all. And I agree with you and BF that you don't have to compare Islam to anything else when assessing whether or not they have some pretty bizarre teachings and practices.
Bingo, it works AGAINST the islamic apologist to bring up other religions when islam is attacked.