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Title: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:28:06 PM
Pisses me off...
This fvcker was an illegal immigrant who they just wouldn't deport.

My band plays in the rock club located next door to the pizza joint where this illegal POS decided to shoot a cop.

Despite his record and warrants, they just wouldn't deport this idiot.




FORT MYERS: The man who police say shot and killed officer Andrew Widman early Friday morning was identified as Abel Arango, a man with a history of arrests.

He was arrested back in 1998 for burglary, robbery with a deadly weapon, and grand theft.

He spent 5 years at a correctional facility in Dade County and was released in 2004.

After that, the Florida Department of Corrections lost track of him and he was labeled an absconder/fugitive.

In mid-May, Lee County deputies arrested Arango for allegedly selling cocaine. He was released the next day.

Days later, Collier County issued a warrant for his arrest for a probation violation, on May 29th.

Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
Deceased cop had 3 kids...
4 year old, 22 month old, and a 5 month old.
He was 30 years old.  One year on the force.
Broke up a fight between this A-hole and his girlfriend, so the illegal immigrant shoots the cop in the face.
Immigrant is quickly killed by 4 other cops on the scene



FORT MYERS: Andrew Widman, a police officer with the Fort Myers Police Department, was shot and killed Friday morning. NBC2 spoke with the suspect's girlfriend to hear what she had to say about the shooting.

Tercotte's uncontrollable tears Friday evening told an unfathomable story - one of devastating loss from a senseless act of violence and one she calls a lose-lose situation for everybody.

"She has lost the father of her child. She has lost an individual who saved her life," said Tercotte's attorney Steve Leskovich.

Tercotte calls Officer Andrew Widman a hero. She says Arango would have killed her if he didn't step in.

"She is more in shock and still in disbelief that somebody lost their life for her," said Leskovich.

Tercotte, who has a 10-month-old daughter with Arango, says the horrific shooting blindsided her.

"She has no idea why he did what he did. She never saw the gun, never gave him a gun, never heard of a gun, didn't know he had a gun, and somehow he had it," said Leskovich.

While the shooting will never make any sense to Tercotte, she and her attorney noted what may have motivated Arango.

"Abel had the warrant out from Collier County, had pending charges in Lee County, knew that he was going back to prison and felt that he wasn't going," Leskovich said.

Tercotte says he just snapped. Leskovich says both of them had been drinking at several downtown clubs throughout the night.

Now, the physically and emotionally bruised 26-year-old is talking with police.

"She gave a six-hour-long statement. She's going to do whatever she can do to help the police figure out why Abel did what he did," said Leskovich.

She is also sending her deepest condolences to the Widman family. She broke down talking about the fallen officer, saying she's so sorry and she wouldn't be here if it weren't for his bravery.


Title: Police Officer killed in line of duty. Charlie Crist comments
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:33:46 PM
Police identify officer and suspect killed in shooting

FORT MYERS: Fort Myers Police are mourning the loss of an officer who was shot and killed by a suspect at Main & Hendry streets in downtown Fort Myers early Friday morning.

Major Doug Baker says the officer, 30-year-old Andrew Widman, responded to a domestic dispute between a man and his girlfriend in front of the pizza shop on Hendry Street at 2:03 a.m.

When Widman stepped in to break up the fight, police say Abel Arango pulled out a gun and shot Widman at point blank range in the face.

Widman died at the scene.

Baker said it happened so fast Widman didn’t have enough time to pull his weapon.

Police say Arango fled the scene, followed by other officers.

Arango fired at officers, requiring them to take cover. They shot and killed Arango.

The officers involved have been placed on paid administrative leave during the investigation into the shooting.

The officers have been identified as Alain Gagnon, Wolfgang Daniel, Mike Perry and BJ Ades.

During a press conference, Major Baker said Arango had said he was going to go out "Miami style" and take an officer with him.

DONATIONS
Donations can be made to the Andrew Widman Memorial Fund at any Fifth Third Bank. They can also be made to the Andrew Widman Family Fund at any Preferred Community Bank branches.

THE FALLEN OFFICER
Andrew Widman started with the Fort Myers Police in April 2007.

Baker said Widman has a wife, three children, and was "well-liked... dedicated... hard worker."

Local family members have been told of his death, but the department is still working to contact family members out of the area.

Baker said taking care of the family is the department's number-one priority.

"It's very difficult," Baker said, when asked about how other officers were dealing with the news. "This is very tragic and difficult to get by."

The last time a Fort Myers officer died in the line of duty was in 2003, when Officer Daniel Starks was killed in a traffic accident.

THE SUSPECT
The man who police say shot and killed officer Andrew Widman early Friday morning was identified as Abel Arango, a man with a history of arrests.

He was arrested back in 1998 for burglary, robbery with a deadly weapon, and grand theft. He spent 5 years at a correctional facility in Dade County and was released in 2004.

After that, the Florida Department of Corrections lost track of him and he was labeled an absconder/fugitive.

In mid-May, Lee County deputies arrested Arango for allegedly selling cocaine. He was released the next day.

Days later, Collier County issued a warrant for his arrest for a probation violation, on May 29th.

STATEMENTS FROM OFFICIALS:

Florida Governor Charlie Crist:
"Today I share the sorrow of Florida’s law enforcement family as we mourn the loss of Officer Andrew Widman who was tragically killed in the line of duty this morning. I join the Ft. Myers community and all Floridians in expressing my deepest sympathy and prayers for Officer Widman’s wife and three children.

"Officer Widman will be remembered as a hero who cared deeply about keeping his community safe. His life will long symbolize the outstanding work Florida’s law enforcement officers perform every day and I thank every officer for protecting and keeping Floridian's safe. "

Attorney General Bill McCollum:
"I'm deeply saddened by the shooting death of Fort Myers Police Officer Andrew Widman, who lost his life while protecting other citizens. My heartfelt condolences go out to his wife and young children, family, friends and colleagues.

"This is a difficult time for Florida's law enforcement community, as Officer Widman's death comes just weeks after the line-of-duty slaying of Tomoka Corrections Officer Donna Fitzgerald. Like Officer Fitzgerald, Officer Widman will always be remembered for his dedication to the safety of his community. I offer my prayers and support to the victims' families, friends and colleagues during this challenging time."

Cape Coral Mayor Eric Feichthaler:
Today is a very sad day throughout our area.  Fort Myers Police Officer, Andrew Widman, was senselessly taken away from us last night, as he worked to keep our community safe.  Although he served the City of Fort Myers, he was also a Cape Coral resident.  Our thoughts and prayers will be with his family, friends, and brothers and sisters at the Fort Myers Police Department through this very difficult time.

The City of Cape Coral will be flying our flag at half-staff today to mourn the loss of one of our own.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: youandme on July 20, 2008, 04:36:24 PM
DAMN, I was just fixing to say I beat this guy left behind kids.
 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: El_Pajero on July 20, 2008, 04:39:25 PM
i would do the same thing if the po-po harrassed me
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:39:51 PM
DAMN, I was just fixing to say I beat this guy left behind kids.
 


It's major news in this town.  Last month the husband of IFBB Pro Amanda Dunbar's sister killed her and came to Ft Myers to kill himself.  String of home armed invasions recently.  Now this prick shoots up a cop at a pizza joint I visit twice a month.  Rediculous.  

I drove past this cops house today when leaving my mom's house.  

40 cars in the street.  20 of them cop cars.  Big family memorial thing.  
Seeing all the cops standing around = very sobering.

They're collecting $ at every walmart in town.  Cops everywhere are on high alert, driving their cars in pack now, in case some asshat copycat decides to do the same thing.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:41:07 PM
"She has no idea why he did what he did. She never saw the gun, never gave him a gun, never heard of a gun, didn't know he had a gun, and somehow he had it," said Leskovich.

The fiancee is lying.

You KNOW if your man carries a gun.  You KNOW if you live with him, have a baby with him, suck his dick every night... you KNOW he packs heat. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: youandme on July 20, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
It always make me furious to hear of a cop getting killed. It's alwsy unsavory characters, and the officer is always getting shot in the face or head.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:49:42 PM
It always make me furious to hear of a cop getting killed. It's alwsy unsavory characters, and the officer is always getting shot in the face or head.

Closed casket memorial service on Tues night.

They lay him to rest on Wednesday.

All because the system releases a guy after his 3rd coke sell to officers.
They released him despite warrants and immigration woes.

The 4 other cops on the scene wasted the fvcker.  Put so many bullets into him they had to shut down 4 blocks for 24 hours as they fished out all the bullets from buildings.

I was standing in that same pizza place 6 days earlier chomping on a meatball sub from there.  And people still wonder why I carry heat everywhere I go?  You never know when some prick is just going to start shooting. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: El_Pajero on July 20, 2008, 04:51:58 PM
And people still wonder why I carry heat everywhere I go?  You never know when some prick is just going to start shooting. 

maybe the us shouldnt allow people to carry guns?  :o
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 04:58:15 PM
maybe the us shouldnt allow people to carry guns?  :o

do you think this illegal immigrant with arrest warrants, who was already illegally carrying a weapon, would have followed this gun ban?

No.

only law abiding people like me would.  The people who carry them illegally now would still carry them, and would use them much more, as they wouldn't have to worry about the quiet dorky kid in the pizza place eating his sub firing back.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: The Coach on July 20, 2008, 05:13:21 PM
If Obama becomes President, you can expect more of that.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: benz on July 20, 2008, 05:16:40 PM
240

Why do you cry so much for the pig? Cops know they can die, anytime, so why so much bs?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: The Coach on July 20, 2008, 05:25:10 PM
240

Why do you cry so much for the pig? Cops know they can die, anytime, so why so much bs?

The point he was killed by an illegal. Crap like this happends all the in LA.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: benz on July 20, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
The point he was killed by an illegal. Crap like this happends all the in LA.

does it make a difference if the assasin were american, chinese, etc?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 05:33:33 PM
That is insane. Criminals belong behind bars, not out on the street.

That man must have been criminally insane. If you know you've got outstanding warrants, you sure as heck don't call attention to yourself, and beating a woman in a public place filled with cops is calling attention to yourself.
Like he didn't know every cop would open fire on him?   ::)

It's terrible when good men go down because they've been failed by the system they uphold. The system should have had this criminal behind bars rather than roaming the streets to make widows and fatherless children.  :'(


DONATIONS
Donations can be made to the Andrew Widman Memorial Fund at any Fifth Third Bank. They can also be made to the Andrew Widman Family Fund at any Preferred Community Bank branches.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Fury on July 20, 2008, 05:37:38 PM
That is insane. Criminals belong behind bars, not out on the street.

That man must have been criminally insane. If you know you've got outstanding warrants, you sure as heck don't call attention to yourself, and beating a woman in a public place filled with cops is calling attention to yourself.
Like he didn't know every cop would open fire on him?   ::)

It's terrible when good men go down because they've been failed by the system they uphold. The system should have had this criminal behind bars rather than roaming the streets to make widows and fatherless children.  :'(

Criminally insane? Unless you can prove it, stfu. Looks to me like he was a piece of shit with no regard for anything. Hardly criminally insane. Just another thug illegal who skirts the law. ::)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 05:41:22 PM
That is insane. Criminals belong behind bars, not out on the street.

That man must have been criminally insane. If you know you've got outstanding warrants, you sure as heck don't call attention to yourself, and beating a woman in a public place filled with cops is calling attention to yourself.
Like he didn't know every cop would open fire on him?   ::)

It's terrible when good men go down because they've been failed by the system they uphold. The system should have had this criminal behind bars rather than roaming the streets to make widows and fatherless children.  :'(

The cop took the argument outside and asked for his ID.

He said he'd prefer to go out "miami style" instead of going back to jail.

When he reached for his ID, he pulled his gun and shot cop in face close-range.

Cop never even unholstered his weapon.

The perp then ran, as the 4 trailing cops (they hang in the pizza place all night) drew their pieces and opened up on him.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Camel Jockey on July 20, 2008, 05:43:23 PM
Too bad the US doesn't give a shit about illegal aliens

Over stay your visa it's no biggie
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 05:53:40 PM
Criminally insane? Unless you can prove it, stfu. Looks to me like he was a piece of shit with no regard for anything. Hardly criminally insane. Just another thug illegal who skirts the law. ::)

Considering the archaic stance of the US government and their policy of welcoming Cubans with open arms, no questions, ...I'd say his status could hardly be that of an illegal alien.

As for the POS with no regard for anything, ...you got no arguments from me there.

ps: When I said 'criminally insane' wasn't referring to the legal definition,
...just commenting on the mindset of a POS.  'miami-style'. What a piece of work!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 06:00:10 PM
The cop took the argument outside and asked for his ID.

He said he'd prefer to go out "miami style" instead of going back to jail.

When he reached for his ID, he pulled his gun and shot cop in face close-range.

Cop never even unholstered his weapon.

The perp then ran, as the 4 trailing cops (they hang in the pizza place all night) drew their pieces and opened up on him.

Not assigning any culpability or anything, ...but I'm wondering... where were his colleagues while this went down?

I know he's a rookie, and looking at his pic, ...he looks really "fresh faced". Cops know domestic disputes are the most volatile of all calls they can possibly attend, ...and looking at Arango... well... let's just say that one of the guys in that altercation looks a little more 'hardcore' than the other for want of a better word. His buddies must be feeling real down. Always a tragic day when you lose one of the good guys!  :'(
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 06:12:52 PM
You know Coach, ...sometimes I feel sorry for you because your level of understanding is all too obvious,
...but dammit you say some of the stupidest things!


The point he was killed by an illegal. Crap like this happends all the in LA.

Aside from being factually incorrect, ...the point is a cop was killed in the line of duty!


Cubans are welcomed into the USA with open arms and automatically given US citizenship as a great big FU to Castro.
 

If Obama becomes President, you can expect more of that.

Considering you big point that you thought the guy was illegal, this statement is even more ridiculous.
it is  McCain / Bush who are pushing for amnesty, and it is McCain Bush who are content to keep borders insecure and the flood of illegals into your country. Sheesh, get a clue! 
Title: Re: Police Officer killed in line of duty. Charlie Crist comments
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 06:19:20 PM
How come you post this twice in 2 separate threads?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: OzmO on July 20, 2008, 06:32:56 PM
I was listening to the radio the other day and some talk show guy said fully 1/3 of all people incarcerated in the USA are illegals.

It would be great if we could just kick them the F out huh?  But we can't because our borders or more open than there are stars visible on a clear night.




Title: Re: Police Officer killed in line of duty. Charlie Crist comments
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 06:45:22 PM
How come you post this twice in 2 separate threads?

This one was the main article, which I didn't find until later.

The other was me ranting about illegals being able to sell coke here and not get deported.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 06:50:46 PM
Not assigning any culpability or anything, ...but I'm wondering... where were his colleagues while this went down?

I know he's a rookie, and looking at his pic, ...he looks really "fresh faced". Cops know domestic disputes are the most volatile of all calls they can possibly attend, ...and looking at Arango... well... let's just say that one of the guys in that altercation looks a little more 'hardcore' than the other for want of a better word. His buddies must be feeling real down. Always a tragic day when you lose one of the good guys!  :'(

First off, IMO, the downtown cops are dicks.

I drove my truck over a bottle they saw but I didn't, and they laughed.  Not cool.  If they weren't wearing the badge, I would have called them assholes.  But I respect their position and don't wish them harm for it.

The cops have their own table at that pizza place.  I usually sit 2 tables over and eat my sub.  They're generally friendly, but yeah, they're mostly the newer, younger cops who get stuck with shit shift working downtown weekend nights.

The streets fill with thugs and metalheads alike at 2 am, and they loiter for 15 minutes while the cops let them.  It sucks... we're loading trucks with amps and drums, and these idiots are everywhere, wrassling, selling dope, drinking in public, while the cops sit together and just watch for major incidents. 

The other cops were right there when it happened.  Cop asked dude for ID, and dude knew it meant back to prison, where he had just served 5 years.  He wasn't going back.  The other 4 cops dropped their pizza when #1 got capped, and opened right up on bad guy (intro crowded patio/alley, I might add).

They shut down 4 blocks cause of all the bullet holes in buildings, and they thought more innocents may have been hit.  The cops just emptied 4 mags into the guy as he ran.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: youandme on July 20, 2008, 08:17:36 PM
If Obama becomes President, you can expect more of that.

Are you talking about his gun control view, or his stance that drug offenders should recieve a slap on the wrist? I agree.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 08:52:55 PM
Are you talking about his gun control view, or his stance that drug offenders should recieve a slap on the wrist? I agree.

Your question presumes Coach is even aware of issues or controversies surrounding either of the candidates   :-\
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: youandme on July 20, 2008, 08:57:30 PM
The cops just emptied 4 mags into the guy as he ran.

It was either do it right then, or wait till they found him.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 09:06:35 PM
It was either do it right then, or wait till they found him.

yeah, they're still not releasing all the details of his shooting.  they fvcking executed him, rightfully so.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: The Coach on July 20, 2008, 10:11:56 PM
Considering the archaic stance of the US government and their policy of welcoming Cubans with open arms, no questions, ...I'd say his status could hardly be that of an illegal alien. As for the POS with no regard for anything, ...you got no arguments from me there.

ps: When I said 'criminally insane' wasn't referring to the legal definition,
...just commenting on the mindset of a POS.  'miami-style'. What a piece of work!

Thats why most want the borders CLOSED. That's why we have border patrol to help stop illegals from coming over. You're boy Obama wants to change that and the rest of mentally challenged lib congress want the same including that wingnut Nancy Polosi.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 20, 2008, 10:21:03 PM
Thats why most want the borders CLOSED. That's why we have border patrol to help stop illegals from coming over. You're boy Obama wants to change that and the rest of mentally challenged lib congress want the same including that wingnut Nancy Polosi.

Mccain and Obama both suck on this issue.

I know mccain co-sponsored the bill to make those 12 million immigrants able to stay.  He and teddy kennedy were in bed on it.  Bush supported it too.  So did Obama.

They all wanted to leave the borders opened.  And now, 2 months ago I believe, Bush annouinced it'll be 2012 before we even can START building a fence with mexico.



It is a CTers dream... they have this giant highway from TX to canada being built.
Now they say 4 MORE years before they'll close the border?
Many people believe a plan to merge US, MEX, and CAN. 
Is that why they wanted the friendly bill, and no fence?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 20, 2008, 10:45:30 PM
Thats why most want the borders CLOSED. That's why we have border patrol to help stop illegals from coming over. You're boy MAN Obama wants to change that and the rest of mentally challenged lib congress want the same including that wingnut Nancy Polosi.

You close the borders and the USA is f**cked. Closing the borders means closing the borders.
You don't produce enough on your own to do that. It'd be over for you quicker than you can blink.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: steveeray on July 20, 2008, 11:09:53 PM
Im really no fan of law enforcment. Went to academy but got kick out last week.
This is sad
I bet if he was a source he would be in jail.
Government prioritys at its finest.
Brovo, nice work.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Alex23 on July 20, 2008, 11:36:30 PM
That is insane. Criminals belong behind bars, not out on the street.

You've solved it.  


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Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 21, 2008, 03:46:26 AM
do you think this illegal immigrant with arrest warrants, who was already illegally carrying a weapon, would have followed this gun ban?

No.

only law abiding people like me would.  The people who carry them illegally now would still carry them, and would use them much more, as they wouldn't have to worry about the quiet dorky kid in the pizza place eating his sub firing back.

Legal guns leads to easy access.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: shootfighter1 on July 21, 2008, 07:46:09 AM
The US must have no tolerance for illegals who commit crimes.  Crimes from illegal immigrants are happening at alarming rates but the gov continue to downplay the problem...so do certain media sources.
I don't get it.  There should be no debate on how illegals should be treated if they commit major crimes.  If you look, most of these people are repeat criminals too.  It means they are unlikely to change and they are destroying communities.

Jag, you would think someone with that record wouldn't want to put themselves in the spotlight...but thats the problem.  Many of these criminals don't think.  They act and re-act with little thought to consequences.

A police officer was just killed last week in my community by a 23 yo male carrying a gun.  Now he is claiming self defense and racial harrassment.  By the way, the officer did not pull his gun and was shot in the face 4 times.  Unacceptible.  Its not just the illegals, too many young people are committing crimes without thought of consequences...but we must do something to change this.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: shootfighter1 on July 21, 2008, 07:49:13 AM
Outlawing guns affects the non-criminals far more than criminals.  That is fact.

However, I would consider looking at banning handguns.  That way, hunters and home owners could still have a rifle.  I'm not sure if that would help either but its certainly worth looking at.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Eyeball Chambers on July 21, 2008, 10:47:35 AM
If Obama becomes President, you can expect more of that.

The Neo Conservatives have already showed us they not only support Illegal immigrants, they support the North American Union.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Cap on July 21, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
Repeal habeas corpus for these fuckin illegals and simply deport their asses.  We should be allowed to fire on illegals crossing the borders...hell, they fire on our police.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 21, 2008, 05:47:30 PM
Repeal habeas corpus for these fuckin illegals and simply deport their asses.  We should be allowed to fire on illegals crossing the borders...hell, they fire on our police.

You can't deport 12 million people.

BUT 240 promoses a mine n' fine.

You can fine employers $10,000 for every illegal they hire, per day.
and
you can place landmines on the border and blow them up as they sneak in

:)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Fury on July 21, 2008, 05:53:10 PM
You can't deport 12 million people.

BUT 240 promoses a mine n' fine.

You can fine employers $10,000 for every illegal they hire, per day.
and
you can place landmines on the border and blow them up as they sneak in

:)

Yet you rail against "torture."  ::)
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Parker on July 21, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
You can't deport 12 million people.

BUT 240 promoses a mine n' fine.

You can fine employers $10,000 for every illegal they hire, per day.
and
you can place landmines on the border and blow them up as they sneak in

:)

US the government somehow found a way to forcibly displace 13,000 Cherokees on the Trail of Tears, so it's not a stretch of the imagination, that with today's tech, one could in theory do the same again. It has to be to a nation's benefit, and because today's corporations would like to exploit illegals, it ain't gonna happen unless they say so. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Cap on July 21, 2008, 08:16:19 PM
You can't deport 12 million people.

BUT 240 promoses a mine n' fine.

You can fine employers $10,000 for every illegal they hire, per day.
and
you can place landmines on the border and blow them up as they sneak in

:)
We should do both, pronto.  We can always find more people to pick strawberries....like all the homeboys on welfare.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 21, 2008, 08:22:47 PM
think of the logistical mess of moving them out.  what about their kids who were born here?  they're considered citizens.

Do you make a million 16 and 17 year olds, who have lived here their whole lives, leave?
If not, what about the million 1 and 2 year olds who are legal.  Do they leave with mom/dad?

What if mexico says "no, we don't want them".  Do you get hostile with MEX?  They will surely say this.

I don't like the idea of torture. I prefer to shoot them up with heroin and let them babble the truth.  It works.

Also, mining the border, and putting up 100,000 signs is a great way to go.  If they choose to walk into a death trap, so be it.  Their choice.  If the skeletons sprinkled in the field before them aren't enough of a deterrent, then belong on Darwin's list...
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: chaos on July 21, 2008, 08:23:37 PM
I've got nothing nice to say about this shit. >:(
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Cap on July 21, 2008, 08:27:21 PM
think of the logistical mess of moving them out.  what about their kids who were born here?  they're considered citizens.

Do you make a million 16 and 17 year olds, who have lived here their whole lives, leave?
If not, what about the million 1 and 2 year olds who are legal.  Do they leave with mom/dad?

What if mexico says "no, we don't want them".  Do you get hostile with MEX?  They will surely say this.

I don't like the idea of torture. I prefer to shoot them up with heroin and let them babble the truth.  It works.

Also, mining the border, and putting up 100,000 signs is a great way to go.  If they choose to walk into a death trap, so be it.  Their choice.  If the skeletons sprinkled in the field before them aren't enough of a deterrent, then belong on Darwin's list...
I've said this so many times it isn't funny.  What is the big deal about it anyway?  It IS protecting our borders and citizens.  The same thing happened in Phoenix 240.  The officer was citing the guy fro jaywalking because he almost caused an accident and the dude shot him in the face.  SWAT nailed his ass though.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 240 is Back on July 21, 2008, 08:30:37 PM
I've said this so many times it isn't funny.  What is the big deal about it anyway?  It IS protecting our borders and citizens.  The same thing happened in Phoenix 240.  The officer was citing the guy fro jaywalking because he almost caused an accident and the dude shot him in the face.  SWAT nailed his ass though.

yep.  When some illegal drowns in the river crossing, or dies form thirst in the desert, what do we say?  It's his OWN DAMN FAULT.  All we're doing is creating a clearly-labeled natural border.  If idiot chooses to climb barbed wire fence and ignore graphic, multi-lingual signs, and walk into deathdrap, it's the same as if he got bit by a rattlesnake or drowned in river.  Obvious hazard he chose to walk into.

Locally, an illegal killed a cop in the place I get pizza twice a month.  I'm not happy with our shitty immigration policy. 
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 22, 2008, 01:13:54 AM

Locally, an illegal killed a cop in the place I get pizza twice a month.  I'm not happy with our shitty immigration policy. 

Would that not then make it a policy problem?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: SAMSON123 on July 22, 2008, 05:33:16 PM
Pisses me off...
This fvcker was an illegal immigrant who they just wouldn't deport.

My band plays in the rock club located next door to the pizza joint where this illegal POS decided to shoot a cop.

Despite his record and warrants, they just wouldn't deport this idiot.




FORT MYERS: The man who police say shot and killed officer Andrew Widman early Friday morning was identified as Abel Arango, a man with a history of arrests.

He was arrested back in 1998 for burglary, robbery with a deadly weapon, and grand theft.

He spent 5 years at a correctional facility in Dade County and was released in 2004.

After that, the Florida Department of Corrections lost track of him and he was labeled an absconder/fugitive.

In mid-May, Lee County deputies arrested Arango for allegedly selling cocaine. He was released the next day.

Days later, Collier County issued a warrant for his arrest for a probation violation, on May 29th.



One less white cop is a good thing..... and before you react READ....

Truth of the matter is the REAL story of what went on is never told and is never known. As is all to well known around america the racism of white cops and the lies of white cops is beyond comprehension. Imagine six cops barging into the home of a ninety six year old Black woman in Georgia and firing on her claiming she was selling drugs??? Only for the public to find out months later it was all a LIE. The woman was shot dead in her home and as of today there has not been one white cop arreseted or an honest reason given for why this elderly woman was murdered.

In New York City a 70 year old woman killed in her apartment by white cops who came bursting through her door at 5 AM. The white cops threw a explosive device into the rooms of the home paying no regard to the fact that a human being lived there (forget whether the person was old, young, male or female) the exploding devices frightened the home owner ( who was suffering from a heart condition) so badly she collapsed and died from heart failure. The news reported weeks later that the cops were in error...NOT A SINGLE WHITE COP WAS FIRED, ARRESTED OR DISCIPLINED.

Three Mexican laborers where found strangled on the New York throughway...A white cop calls and files a report that he found the three illegal Mexican men dead (how did he know if they were illegal or not?), but no ambulance or additional cops were needed. When questioned about why he was not requesting medical support he said he didn't need no ambulance or cops. Later it was found out he killed all three men...THIS WHITE COP IS STILL A COP.

A Black man on his wedding day was shot 50 time by a white cop in New York. The news kept reporting that the incident occured outside a bar where he was having a batchelor party. ALL LIES... private investigators researched the crime scene and found that the man was shot 50 times a block and a half away (over 300 feet) from where the incident was reported by the police to have happened. The shooting was done by the lone WHITE COP and the two other cops ( one Black tthe other Hispanic) were made to discharge their guns after the fact so as to make this matter seem NON RACE BIASED. To this day the LIES by the police that there was a supposed OTHER PERSON WITH A GUN who never materialized. In the mean time a man lay dead with a grieving wife and two now fatherless children.

A Jewish woman in an airport is arrested claiming she was psychotic...she was vocalizing her outrage at being held up in the airport for hours trying to get a flight to Colorado. White cops take her into a room and an hour late she is found DEAD. white cops claimed she HANGED HERSELF...How does a person do that when their hands are handcuffed behind them...

Woman calls the police when her neighbors come out of their home and begin a vicious fight on the lawn. Fearing either person would be killed she calls the cops, the cops come and the white cops arrest her instead of the fighting couple. She is taken to the precinct with no explanation, she is strip searched, thrown naked into a solitary conmfinement cell and is NOT allowed to call anyone so that someone could get her out of there....

Another woman is arrested by a white cop and taken in to a private room where a camera is recording the encounter. THe white cop is demanding the woman to get off of her cell phone, but she wants to know why she is under arrest. She begins calling her family to tell them where she is and what is happening. THe white cop goes ape shit punches her in the face breaks her nose, blackens both eyes and reports that the reason she looks like that is she tripped and fell on her face.

A Hipanic man in Arizona is arrested by white cops and DEPORTED TO MEXICO. He was never given a reason for his arrest, he was held without being allowed to call family or an attorney, he was then driven to Mexico and left there. The man was a third generation america, born in Arizona, graduated high school and college in Arizona and thanks to an ignorant white cop had to go through this HELL becasue of RACISM.

DOES THERE SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM WITH WHITE COPS AND AND A DEFINITE NEED TO THROW THIS FILTH OFF EVERY POLICE FORCE IN AMERICA?????

I could go on with these white cop scenarios but the crime and the gender and race of the cops remain the same in all cases...IT IS SOMETHING TO REALLY TO BE ENRAGED ABOUT...But somehow the public is suppose to just turn a blind eye in these cases and with that the cases become more prevelent. Instead of deprting the supposed assailant lets deport the white cops first!!!!!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Cap on July 22, 2008, 06:01:40 PM
Hey Samson, go fuck yourself.  No cop deserves to get shot in the face by some piece of shit who doesn't belong here.  Who cares about that prick in NYC?  I'm not surprised that some PRIVATE investigator "found" that evidence.  Remember your words when you get robbed by an illegal, black, mexican, etc and a white cop helps you and a white detective gets your shit back.

Deport em all, shoot the ones coming across and mine the entire Mexican border.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: youandme on July 22, 2008, 06:18:46 PM
Samson must suck to be an angry black man, that depends on the system for everything.

ta-ta
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Option D on July 22, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
Pisses me off...
This fvcker was an illegal immigrant who they just wouldn't deport.

My band plays in the rock club located next door to the pizza joint where this illegal POS decided to shoot a cop.

Despite his record and warrants, they just wouldn't deport this idiot.




FORT MYERS: The man who police say shot and killed officer Andrew Widman early Friday morning was identified as Abel Arango, a man with a history of arrests.

He was arrested back in 1998 for burglary, robbery with a deadly weapon, and grand theft.

He spent 5 years at a correctional facility in Dade County and was released in 2004.

After that, the Florida Department of Corrections lost track of him and he was labeled an absconder/fugitive.

In mid-May, Lee County deputies arrested Arango for allegedly selling cocaine. He was released the next day.

Days later, Collier County issued a warrant for his arrest for a probation violation, on May 29th.


'


go kill him
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: SAMSON123 on July 22, 2008, 08:29:14 PM
Hey Samson, go fuck yourself.  No cop deserves to get shot in the face by some piece of shit who doesn't belong here.  Who cares about that prick in NYC?  I'm not surprised that some PRIVATE investigator "found" that evidence.  Remember your words when you get robbed by an illegal, black, mexican, etc and a white cop helps you and a white detective gets your shit back.

Deport em all, shoot the ones coming across and mine the entire Mexican border.

Obvious your LOW IQ ASS is a cop or related to one in one way or another. Since a cop is nothing more than a civilian dressed up in TAX PAYER PAID FOR UNIFORMS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR GUNS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR BULLETS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR CAR, TAX PAYER PAID FOR PRECINCTS and TAX PAYER PAID FOR DONUTS AND PIZZA etc... they need to have the utmost in respect for the people who pay their salaries, provide their healthcare, pay for their insurance and make it possible to keep their LOW IQ ASSES employed. All of the cases I spoke of were of people killed by white cops for no reason and even where a reason was given it was found to be a LIE. We will never know what happened in this case because the man is DEAD and thankfully he took a bastard with him. For the sake of having a SAFE society from such ROGUE INDIVIDUALS (whie cops) my suggestion is to DEPORT those cops found guilty of committing a crime and in cases where a person is murdered...bring back the GUILLUTINE. I hate to see those who are suppose to uphold the LAW violate it to the fullest, because they have been made IMMUNE from the consequence of violating the law.

To the end of placing MINES at the border of Mexico and fencing off whole areas if not states or countries...I ONLY WISH SUCH FENCING AND MINING HAD BEEN DONE BY THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF AMERICA....It would have been a lot better country than it is today.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: SAMSON123 on July 22, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
Samson must suck to be an angry black man, that depends on the system for everything.

ta-ta

EH HEM...for the UNEDUCATED WHITES...

WELFARE  whites make up 85% of the welfare rolls
GANGS Face of a gang member in america is a white male: Skin heads, Klan, Militia, Aryans estimate 10MILLION
CAR JACKER  80% of all car JACKED are committed by white males in suburban areas
DRUG DEALER  The face of a drug dealer in america is a white male living in the burbs..dope pays well
DRUG ABUSER  The face of a drug abuser in america is a white female supported by her drug dealing BF
ABUSED SPOUSE The face of an abused spouse is a white female ABUSED by her white husband
SEX  Face of preteen, teen sex and abortion is a white female..planned parenthood for facts
SCHOOL DROP OUT  The face of a school drop oout in america is a white female
PROSTITUTION  The same white female who drops out of school is the face of prostitution the oldest profession in the world.
CORPORATE CORRUPTION Whites are teh TRUE THIEVES in this country..Theft in the TRILLIONS..Unbelieveable
SHALL I GO ON...

It must be something to belong to a SHIT PEOPLE LIKE THIS!!!!
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Cap on July 22, 2008, 08:51:12 PM
Obvious your LOW IQ ASS is a cop or related to one in one way or another. Since a cop is nothing more than a civilian dressed up in TAX PAYER PAID FOR UNIFORMS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR GUNS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR BULLETS, TAX PAYER PAID FOR CAR, TAX PAYER PAID FOR PRECINCTS and TAX PAYER PAID FOR DONUTS AND PIZZA etc... they need to have the utmost in respect for the people who pay their salaries, provide their healthcare, pay for their insurance and make it possible to keep their LOW IQ ASSES employed. All of the cases I spoke of were of people killed by white cops for no reason and even where a reason was given it was found to be a LIE. We will never know what happened in this case because the man is DEAD and thankfully he took a bastard with him. For the sake of having a SAFE society from such ROGUE INDIVIDUALS (whie cops) my suggestion is to DEPORT those cops found guilty of committing a crime and in cases where a person is murdered...bring back the GUILLUTINE. I hate to see those who are suppose to uphold the LAW violate it to the fullest, because they have been made IMMUNE from the consequence of violating the law.

To the end of placing MINES at the border of Mexico and fencing off whole areas if not states or countries...I ONLY WISH SUCH FENCING AND MINING HAD BEEN DONE BY THE NATIVE PEOPLE OF AMERICA....It would have been a lot better country than it is today.
How does that apply here?  It doesn't numb nuts.  Pieces of trash get dealt with just fine, by white or any other kind of cops.  You need to turn off NAACPTv and enter the real world.  This dirty illegal shot what was likely a good officer in the face.  Maybe people of color should stop committing crime and they wouldn't be faced by "white cops" and their duty of upholding the law.  Guilty cops lose their jobs every day and are prosecuted.  Aside from Rodney King, you have no idea how things work and never will.  Blame whitey and carry on with your day.  Let me know when you need a "white" cop and he/she saves your ass.

As for the mines, I'll help set them up.  If you are black, your ass would still be over in Africa if the Natives did that...think about that.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: gordiano on July 23, 2008, 01:48:09 AM
Fucking pos!  >:(
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 23, 2008, 02:06:01 AM
The bottom line is: The world we live in, is NOT a perfect place! There are assholes all around.
We can acknowledge that, and we can acknowledge that we don't like the assholes and we don't like them committing indiscriminate crimes. Let's start from that point of commonality. If you succumb to base reactions, all you end up doing is arguing with each other. That's what the assholes want. As long as people are arguing with each other, no one is focussed on the assholes who comes in all colours.

"We could learn a lot from a box of crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors... but they've all learned to live in the same box." -anonymous
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: tu_holmes on July 23, 2008, 02:13:32 AM
Mccain and Obama both suck on this issue.

I know mccain co-sponsored the bill to make those 12 million immigrants able to stay.  He and teddy kennedy were in bed on it.  Bush supported it too.  So did Obama.

They all wanted to leave the borders opened.  And now, 2 months ago I believe, Bush annouinced it'll be 2012 before we even can START building a fence with mexico.



It is a CTers dream... they have this giant highway from TX to canada being built.
Now they say 4 MORE years before they'll close the border?
Many people believe a plan to merge US, MEX, and CAN
Is that why they wanted the friendly bill, and no fence?

Financially, they already did it with NAFTA.

This guy was the lowest of the low.

Fry the fucker.

Still don't see how Obama or McCain winning the election in November changes anything relating to gun control or closing the borders.

Obama can't get the guns because the people will revolt and McCain won't close the borders because he doesn't want to.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 23, 2008, 03:22:14 AM
EH HEM...for the UNEDUCATED WHITES...

WELFARE  whites make up 85% of the welfare rolls
GANGS Face of a gang member in america is a white male: Skin heads, Klan, Militia, Aryans estimate 10MILLION
CAR JACKER  80% of all car JACKED are committed by white males in suburban areas
DRUG DEALER  The face of a drug dealer in america is a white male living in the burbs..dope pays well
DRUG ABUSER  The face of a drug abuser in america is a white female supported by her drug dealing BF
ABUSED SPOUSE The face of an abused spouse is a white female ABUSED by her white husband
SEX  Face of preteen, teen sex and abortion is a white female..planned parenthood for facts
SCHOOL DROP OUT  The face of a school drop oout in america is a white female
PROSTITUTION  The same white female who drops out of school is the face of prostitution the oldest profession in the world.
CORPORATE CORRUPTION Whites are teh TRUE THIEVES in this country..Theft in the TRILLIONS..Unbelieveable
SHALL I GO ON...

It must be something to belong to a SHIT PEOPLE LIKE THIS!!!!

Just to let everyone know, these facts are FALSE.

When dealing with ethnic crime rates, you look at the ratios, not the totals which are obviously skewed considering the largest demographic in the US are white Europeans.
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: 24KT on July 24, 2008, 03:33:25 AM
Just to let everyone know, these facts are FALSE.

{giggle} How can 'facts' be false?  If it is false, ...it's not a fact.

Quote
When dealing with ethnic crime rates, you look at the ratios, not the totals which are obviously skewed considering the largest demographic in the US are white Europeans.

Really?! Wouldn't know it by all the bleating & screaming you hear a lot of these days.
One gets the impression that hispanics outnumber white european descendants 10:1
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: Nordic Superman on July 24, 2008, 03:57:17 AM
{giggle} How can 'facts' be false?  If it is false, ...it's not a fact.

Really?! Wouldn't know it by all the bleating & screaming you hear a lot of these days.
One gets the impression that hispanics outnumber white european descendants 10:1

I missed the quotations around "facts".

Do you believe the statements by the black panther are true or false?
Title: Re: Illegal immigrant kills cop in my town
Post by: calfzilla on July 24, 2008, 09:08:13 AM
maybe the us shouldnt allow people to carry guns?  :o

Wow that's a great idea.  Then if/when the government tries some crazy shit like...oh I don't know genocide, we will be able to put up an awesome resistance.   ::)