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Drinking Milk After Exercise Encourages Muscle Gain And Fat Loss, Study Finds
Part of an ongoing study into the impact of drinking milk after heavy weightlifting has found that milk helps exercisers burn more fat.
The study by researchers at McMaster University and published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, was conducted by the Department of Kinesiology's Exercise Metabolism Research Group, lead by Stuart Phillips.
The researchers took three groups of young men 18 to 30 years of age -- 56 in total -- and put them through a rigorous, five-day-per-week weightlifting program over a 12-week period. Following their workouts, study participants drank either two cups of skim milk, a soy beverage with equivalent amounts of protein and energy, or a carbohydrate beverage with an equivalent amount of energy, which was roughly the same as drinking 600 to 700 milliliters of a typical sports drink.
Upon the study's conclusion, researchers found that the milk drinking group had lost nearly twice as much fat - two pounds - while the carbohydrate beverage group lost one pound of fat. Those drinking soy lost no fat. At the same time, the gain in muscle was much greater among the milk drinkers than either the soy or carbohydrate beverage study participants.
"The loss of fat mass, while expected, was much larger than we thought it would be," says Phillips, associate professor of kinesiology at McMaster. "I think the practical implications of these results are obvious: if you want to gain muscle and lose fat as a result of working out, drink milk."
As reported in the first phase of the study, the milk drinking group came out on top in terms of muscle gain with an estimated 40 per cent or 2.5 pounds more muscle mass than the soy beverage drinkers. In addition, this group gained 63 per cent or 3.3 pounds, more muscle mass than the carbohydrate beverage drinkers.
"I think the evidence is beginning to mount," says Phillips. "Milk may be best known for its calcium content in supporting bone health, but our research, and that of others, continually supports milk's ability to aid in muscle growth and also promote body fat loss. To my mind -- with milk being a source of nine essential nutrients -- it's a no brainer: milk is the ideal post-workout drink for recreational exercisers and athletes alike."
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so pretty much a glass of milk as post workout is sufficient..
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so pretty much a glass of milk as post workout is sufficient..
Indeed. I like Whole Milk.
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Indeed. I like Whole Milk.
It does specify skimmed milk though. Unless you need the extra calories from the fat, why have whole milk?
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Oh brother. Be prepared to get ripped on by all the Pumping Iron idiots who will scream Arnold said milk was for babies. ::)
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It does specify skimmed milk though. Unless you need the extra calories from the fat, why have whole milk?
I don't think TA has actually READ that, he only saw the first line.
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For a while I used to drink two pints of milk post workout, I did notice improved results. It was fresh skimmed milk though, I hate the UHT carton stuff.
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Class has started!!!
Link: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php)
Ongoing work with this project will focus on the components of milk that might be responsible for the effects observed by the McMaster-based researchers. The work was supported by grants from the Canadian Institutes for Health Research and a grant from the US National Dairy Council.
Proper science should be independent, as is often the case, it is not. No credibility to this study.
Class dismissed!
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Link: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php)
Proper science should be independent, as is often the case, it is not. No credibility to this study.
Class dismissed!
Good find!!
Thanks a lot. Most people do not realize this, it's the same with 100% of "scientifical" studies for some supplements.
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Link: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php)
Proper science should be independent, as is often the case, it is not. No credibility to this study.
Class dismissed!
That in no way dismisses their findings and research. Had the conclusion gone the other way it would have been duly reported.
Of course the dairy council would give a grant for such a study. Certainly that does not make the research invalid. If the American Cancer Society gave a grant to study a Cancer fighting agent, would it then cease to be valid because the American Cancer Society helped fund a public project?
Raw Milk is the most superior.
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Link: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/79235.php)
Proper science should be independent, as is often the case, it is not. No credibility to this study.
Class dismissed!
Why did you fail to highlight the Canadian Institute of Health?
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Its not uncommon for vested interests to fund peer-reviewed research. For the most part, it has no bearings on the results and conclusions of a study.
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Its not uncommon for vested interests to fund peer-reviewed research. For the most part, it has no bearings on the results and conclusions of a study.
Exactly.
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Yes everyone should drink lots of milk!
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The sample study only has 56 people way too small to account for the possible variables. The fact that this one study or several simalar studies funded by milk companies resulted in a favorable outcome should not persuade you to think its results are not valid. The question is how many studies are shelved or garbaged without seeing the light of day if the result is negative? And your right whoever said the cancer society has a vested interest in their studies, its to cure millions of people of cancer not sell a product that many studies have also proven to have negative effects.
With that said cereal without milk should be a punishable offence.
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;D
Chocolate Milk May Improve Recovery After Exercise
News Author: Laurie Barclay, MD
CME Author: Désirée Lie, MD, MSEd
Feb. 27, 2006 — Chocolate milk is an effective postexercise drink that improves recovery, according to the results of a small, randomized trial reported in the February issue of the International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism.
"Our study indicates that chocolate milk is a strong alternative to other commercial sports drinks in helping athletes recover from strenuous, energy-depleting exercise," coauthor Joel M. Stager, PhD, from Indiana University in Bloomington, said in a news release. "Chocolate milk contains an optimal carbohydrate to protein ratio, which is critical for helping refuel tired muscles after strenuous exercise and can enable athletes to exercise at a high intensity during subsequent workouts."
On 3 separate days, 9 male, endurance-trained cyclists performed an interval workout followed by 4 hours of recovery, and a subsequent endurance trial to exhaustion at 70% maximum oxygen consumption (VO2max). In a single-blind, randomized design, the men drank equivalent volumes of chocolate milk, fluid replacement drink (FR), or carbohydrate replacement drink (CR) immediately after the first exercise bout and 2 hours of recovery. The chocolate milk and CR had equivalent carbohydrate content. Primary endpoints were time to exhaustion, average heart rate, rating of perceived exertion, and total work for the endurance exercise.
Time to exhaustion and total work were significantly greater for chocolate milk and for FR trials than for CR trials, suggesting that chocolate milk is an effective recovery aid between 2 exhausting exercise bouts.
Study limitations include the possibility that the 4-hour recovery period limited the complete digestion of the complex carbohydrates contained in CR.
"The results of this study suggest that chocolate milk, with its high carbohydrate and protein content, may be considered an effective alternative to commercial FR and CR for recovery from exhausting, glycogen-depleting exercise," the authors write.
The Dairy and Nutrition Council, Inc, supported this study in part.
Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006;16:78-91
Clinical Context
According to the authors, the amount of stored glycogen in skeletal muscles influences exercise performance, and delaying carbohydrate ingestion for 2 hours after a workout can reduce the rate of glycogen resynthesis by half. Studies noted by the authors have suggested that 50 to 75 g of carbohydrate be ingested within 30 to 45 minutes after exercise, with ingestion of 1.2 to 1.5 g carbohydrate per kilogram of body weight per hour for the next few hours. Protein ingestion also has been shown to hasten the rate of glycogen synthesis. CR and FR, which replenish fluid and electrolytes lost during exercise but contain less carbohydrates, are 2 types of postexercise drinks that have been formulated to address glycogen synthesis and carbohydrate replacement.
The current trial is a single-blind, randomized, crossover experimental study using endurance athletes as their own controls to compare the effect of 3 types of drinks: chocolate milk, FR, and CR with the equivalent carbohydrate content of chocolate milk, on performance as measured by time to exhaustion, average heart rate, rating of perceived exertion, and total work performed.
Study Highlights
* 9 healthy, nonsmoking male endurance-trained cyclists aged 19 to 22 years with weight range of 68 to 82 kg from one university were recruited for the study.
* Each subject participated in 4 testing sessions with each session separated by 1 week.
* All subjects kept a dietary record for 3 days prior to the sessions and refrained from heavy exercise within 24 hours.
* The first session consisted of an incremental exercise test on a cycle ergometer to determine VO2max and maximum power output at VO2max.
* The remaining 3 sessions were conducted as a randomized crossover design and consisted of 2 bouts of cycling to exhaustion separated by 4 hours of recovery.
* The first bout consisted of alternating periods of work and recovery in an interval format until glycogen depletion.
* During the 4-hour recovery period, athletes were offered equal volumes of low fat chocolate milk (The Kroger Co) or FR (Gatorade) or CR (Endurox).
* The carbohydrate content of chocolate milk and CR were similar.
* Following the recovery period, the second exercise bout was performed at 70% VO2max until exhaustion to maintain their previous pedal cadence (85 - 100 rpm).
* Cyclists were not allowed to stand on pedals while cycling.
* Investigators were blinded to allocation of fluids, which were in opaque bottles.
* Blood samples from fingertips were taken for lactate levels prior to and on completion of each exercise trial and at 2 hours into the recovery period.
* Subjects were permitted to freely drink water, but no other food was allowed during the recovery period.
* Both time to exhaustion and total work performed during the endurance performance ride were significantly greater (P < .05) in the chocolate milk and FR trials vs the CR trial.
* Subjects cycled 49% and 54% longer following chocolate milk and FR ingestion vs CR ingestion.
* Total amount of work performed was 57% and 48% greater for chocolate milk and FR ingestion vs the CR ingestion.
* No significant differences occurred in any other variables, including heart rate, rating of perceived exertion during the endurance performance trials, and postexercise lactate levels.
* Body mass index and total body water did not differ between treatments.
* Total amount of water consumed was similar for the 3 groups.
* No significant differences occurred in macronutrient content of diets for the athletes before the trial.
Pearls for Practice
* Low-fat chocolate milk and FR ingestion as recovery fluids are associated with greater endurance in terms of time to exhaustion vs a CR for cycling in male endurance athletes.
* Chocolate milk and FR ingestion as recovery fluids are associated with greater work performed at 70% VO2max in male endurance cyclists.
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That in no way dismisses their findings and research. Had the conclusion gone the other way it would have been duly reported.
Of course the dairy council would give a grant for such a study. Certainly that does not make the research invalid. If the American Cancer Society gave a grant to study a Cancer fighting agent, would it then cease to be valid because the American Cancer Society helped fund a public project?
Raw Milk is the most superior.
Completely wrong analogy, the dairy council is a very strong lobby which has one and one objective only: to enhance the public image of dairy (to increase dairy sales).
The cancer institute has no commercial interest, other than to sustain itself.
Just because this 'sponsorship' is common these days doesn't justify it. The impartiality of the university is rightfully questioned, regardless of their track record.
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It would also be more beneficial to consume Milk BEFORE workout(PRE) Rather than After(Post)
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 281: E197-E206, 2001;
0193-1849/01
Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise
Kevin D. Tipton1,2, Blake B. Rasmussen1,2, Sharon L. Miller1,2, Steven E. Wolf1, Sharla K. Owens-Stovall1, Bart E. Petrini1, and Robert R. Wolfe1,2
1 Department of Surgery, University of Texas Medical Branch, and 2 Metabolism Unit, Shriners Hospitals for Children, Galveston, Texas 77550
The present study was designed to determine whether consumption of an oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement (EAC) before exercise results in a greater anabolic response than supplementation after resistance exercise. Six healthy human subjects participated in two trials in random order, PRE (EAC consumed immediately before exercise), and POST (EAC consumed immediately after exercise). A primed, continuous infusion of L-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine, femoral arteriovenous catheterization, and muscle biopsies from the vastus lateralis were used to determine phenylalanine concentrations, enrichments, and net uptake across the leg. Blood and muscle phenylalanine concentrations were increased by ~130% after drink consumption in both trials. Amino acid delivery to the leg was increased during exercise and remained elevated for the 2 h after exercise in both trials. Delivery of amino acids (amino acid concentration times blood flow) was significantly greater in PRE than in POST during the exercise bout and in the 1st h after exercise (P < 0.05). Total net phenylalanine uptake across the leg was greater (P = 0.0002) during PRE (209 ± 42 mg) than during POST (81 ± 19). Phenylalanine disappearance rate, an indicator of muscle protein synthesis from blood amino acids, increased after EAC consumption in both trials. These results indicate that the response of net muscle protein synthesis to consumption of an EAC solution immediately before resistance exercise is greater than that when the solution is consumed after exercise, primarily because of an increase in muscle protein synthesis as a result of increased delivery of amino acids to the leg.
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It would also be more beneficial to consume Milk BEFORE workout(PRE) Rather than After(Post)
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 281: E197-E206, 2001;
0193-1849/01
Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise
Kevin D. Tipton1,2, Blake B. Rasmussen1,2, Sharon L. Miller1,2, Steven E. Wolf1, Sharla K. Owens-Stovall1, Bart E. Petrini1, and Robert R. Wolfe1,2
1 Department of Surgery, University of Texas Medical Branch, and 2 Metabolism Unit, Shriners Hospitals for Children, Galveston, Texas 77550
The present study was designed to determine whether consumption of an oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement (EAC) before exercise results in a greater anabolic response than supplementation after resistance exercise. Six healthy human subjects participated in two trials in random order, PRE (EAC consumed immediately before exercise), and POST (EAC consumed immediately after exercise). A primed, continuous infusion of L-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine, femoral arteriovenous catheterization, and muscle biopsies from the vastus lateralis were used to determine phenylalanine concentrations, enrichments, and net uptake across the leg. Blood and muscle phenylalanine concentrations were increased by ~130% after drink consumption in both trials. Amino acid delivery to the leg was increased during exercise and remained elevated for the 2 h after exercise in both trials. Delivery of amino acids (amino acid concentration times blood flow) was significantly greater in PRE than in POST during the exercise bout and in the 1st h after exercise (P < 0.05). Total net phenylalanine uptake across the leg was greater (P = 0.0002) during PRE (209 ± 42 mg) than during POST (81 ± 19). Phenylalanine disappearance rate, an indicator of muscle protein synthesis from blood amino acids, increased after EAC consumption in both trials. These results indicate that the response of net muscle protein synthesis to consumption of an EAC solution immediately before resistance exercise is greater than that when the solution is consumed after exercise, primarily because of an increase in muscle protein synthesis as a result of increased delivery of amino acids to the leg.
Welcome to the year 2008, dumbass.
supplying amino acids BEFORE workout helps muscle growth?
Who would have thought.
Adonis, you're as dumb as fuck.
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YEAH !
squats and milk that's what i say
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And if you like the PostWorkout shake it should matter not if you have it within 1 or 3 hours after your workout. Do not feel pressured that the "Magical Anabolic Window" will close on you.
J Appl Physiol 88: 386-392, 2000;
8750-7587/00
Vol. 88, Issue 2, 386-392, February 2000
An oral essential amino acid-carbohydrate supplement enhances muscle protein anabolism after resistance exercise
Blake B. Rasmussen, Kevin D. Tipton, Sharon L. Miller, Steven E. Wolf, and Robert R. Wolfe
Department of Surgery, University of Texas Medical Branch and Metabolism Unit, Shriners Burns Institute, Galveston, Texas 77550
This study was designed to determine the response of muscle protein to the bolus ingestion of a drink containing essential amino acids and carbohydrate after resistance exercise. Six subjects (3 men, 3 women) randomly consumed a treatment drink (6 g essential amino acids, 35 g sucrose) or a flavored placebo drink 1 h or 3 h after a bout of resistance exercise on two separate occasions. We used a three-compartment model for determination of leg muscle protein kinetics. The model involves the infusion of ring-2H5-phenylalanine, femoral arterial and venous blood sampling, and muscle biopsies. Phenylalanine net balance and muscle protein synthesis were significantly increased above the predrink and corresponding placebo value (P < 0.05) when the drink was taken 1 or 3 h after exercise but not when the placebo was ingested at 1 or 3 h. The response to the amino acid-carbohydrate drink produced similar anabolic responses at 1 and 3 h. Muscle protein breakdown did not change in response to the drink. We conclude that essential amino acids with carbohydrates stimulate muscle protein anabolism by increasing muscle protein synthesis when ingested 1 or 3 h after resistance exercise.
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Welcome to the year 2008, dumbass.
supplying amino acids BEFORE workout helps muscle growth?
Who would have thought.
Adonis, you're as dumb as fuck.
I will sum this up in one simple equation.
I=>u
Variables:
I-The True Adonis
u-DonkeyKong
If you can prove otherwise, please do so.
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I will sum this up in one simple equation.
I=>u
Variables:
I-The True Adonis
u-DonkeyKong
If you can prove otherwise, please do so.
lol, you're even dumber than i thought.
You know nothing about nutrition, may i remind you of the "Adonis principles"...
You post about expensive whine and other stuff when it is clear that you know nothing about it.
You post as Jezzebelle to show people you have a "girlfriend" and open up several other gimmicks as "supporters"
basically, 90% of your post are copy&paste, but still then you didn't even read what you copied and pasted.
You're an idiot, and everyone knows this.
Hope this helps.
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so basically a study sponsored by the dairy institute states that drinking more milk is good for you...brilliant
is this similiar to when MattC reviews a product for bb.com and gains 10-15lbs of lean muscle mass every time? ::)
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Donkeykong, you're negative. Can't you have an objective discussion w/o calling somebody stupid right off the bat?
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Another Study without the "Dairy Grant"
Milk Ingestion Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis following Resistance Exercise.
BASIC SCIENCES
Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise. 38(4):667-674, April 2006.
ELLIOT, TABATHA A.; CREE, MELANIE G.; SANFORD, ARTHUR P.; WOLFE, ROBERT R.; TIPTON, KEVIN D.
Abstract:
Purpose: Previous studies have examined the response of muscle protein to resistance exercise and nutrient ingestion. Net muscle protein synthesis results from the combination of resistance exercise and amino acid intake. No study has examined the response of muscle protein to ingestion of protein in the context of a food. This study was designed to determine the response of net muscle protein balance following resistance exercise to ingestion of nutrients as components of milk.
Method: Three groups of volunteers ingested one of three milk drinks each: 237 g of fat-free milk (FM), 237 g of whole milk (WM), and 393 g of fat-free milk isocaloric with the WM (IM). Milk was ingested 1 h following a leg resistance exercise routine. Net muscle protein balance was determined by measuring amino acid balance across the leg.
Results: Arterial concentrations of representative amino acids increased in response to milk ingestion. Threonine balance and phenylalanine balance were both > 0 following milk ingestion. Net amino acid uptake for threonine was 2.8-fold greater (P < 0.05) for WM than for FM. Mean uptake of phenylalanine was 80 and 85% greater for WM and IM, respectively, than for FM, but not statistically different. Threonine uptake relative to ingested was significantly (P < 0.05) higher for WM (21 +/- 6%) than FM (11 +/- 5%), but not IM (12 +/- 3%). Mean phenylalanine uptake/ingested also was greatest for WM, but not significantly.
Conclusions: Ingestion of milk following resistance exercise results in phenylalanine and threonine uptake, representative of net muscle protein synthesis. These results suggest that whole milk may have increased utilization of available amino acids for protein synthesis.
(C)2006The American College of Sports Medicine
Hopefully this also clarifies why I advocated Whole Milk or Raw Milk. As you see, it is more beneficial than Skim and has the potential to be understood even better given more research. WM=Whole Milk.
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I drink 2.8 litres of skimmed milk a day. ;D, candidizzle says it causes water retention.
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so basically a study sponsored by the dairy institute states that drinking more milk is good for you...brilliant
is this similiar to when MattC reviews a product for bb.com and gains 10-15lbs of lean muscle mass every time? ::)
Another Study without the "Dairy Grant"
Milk Ingestion Stimulates Net Muscle Protein Synthesis following Resistance Exercise.
BASIC SCIENCES
Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise. 38(4):667-674, April 2006.
ELLIOT, TABATHA A.; CREE, MELANIE G.; SANFORD, ARTHUR P.; WOLFE, ROBERT R.; TIPTON, KEVIN D.
Abstract:
Purpose: Previous studies have examined the response of muscle protein to resistance exercise and nutrient ingestion. Net muscle protein synthesis results from the combination of resistance exercise and amino acid intake. No study has examined the response of muscle protein to ingestion of protein in the context of a food. This study was designed to determine the response of net muscle protein balance following resistance exercise to ingestion of nutrients as components of milk.
Method: Three groups of volunteers ingested one of three milk drinks each: 237 g of fat-free milk (FM), 237 g of whole milk (WM), and 393 g of fat-free milk isocaloric with the WM (IM). Milk was ingested 1 h following a leg resistance exercise routine. Net muscle protein balance was determined by measuring amino acid balance across the leg.
Results: Arterial concentrations of representative amino acids increased in response to milk ingestion. Threonine balance and phenylalanine balance were both > 0 following milk ingestion. Net amino acid uptake for threonine was 2.8-fold greater (P < 0.05) for WM than for FM. Mean uptake of phenylalanine was 80 and 85% greater for WM and IM, respectively, than for FM, but not statistically different. Threonine uptake relative to ingested was significantly (P < 0.05) higher for WM (21 +/- 6%) than FM (11 +/- 5%), but not IM (12 +/- 3%). Mean phenylalanine uptake/ingested also was greatest for WM, but not significantly.
Conclusions: Ingestion of milk following resistance exercise results in phenylalanine and threonine uptake, representative of net muscle protein synthesis. These results suggest that whole milk may have increased utilization of available amino acids for protein synthesis.
(C)2006The American College of Sports Medicine
Hopefully this also clarifies why I advocated Whole Milk or Raw Milk. As you see, it is more beneficial than Skim and has the potential to be understood even better given more research. WM=Whole Milk.
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search google long enough and you can find nearly any scientific research to support almost any argument and theory
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Donkeykong, you're negative. Can't you have an objective discussion w/o calling somebody stupid right off the bat?
Yes, you are right, I am sorry.
But his copy&paste Mr-Know-It-All just pisses me off. Adonis comes here once a year and in that time spams the board with his utter bullshit and copied articles.
Back then it was McDonalds, his new topic is MILK. He will go to google, type "milk and muscle growth" or "milk and protein synthesis" and then cpoy and paste sprre all over the board for hours and hours.
Basically all i'm saying is, TA is an idiot, if he came around like "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles" it would be fine, but TA is just the annoying type of idiot that everybody hates in real life, yet, you can't throw him out here, like you could do in a Bar or wherever else in real life.
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search google long enough and you can find nearly any scientific research to support almost any argument and theory
EXACTLY.
TA is an idiot.
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Yes, you are right, I am sorry.
But his copy&paste Mr-Know-It-All just pisses me off. Adonis comes here once a year and in that time spams the board with his utter bullshit and copied articles.
Back then it was McDonalds, his new topic is MILK. He will go to google, type "milk and muscle growth" or "milk and protein synthesis" and then cpoy and paste sprre all over the board for hours and hours.
Basically all i'm saying is, TA is an idiot, if he came around like "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles" it would be fine, but TA is just the annoying type of idiot that everybody hates in real life, yet, you can't throw him out here, like you could do in a Bar or wherever else in real life.
I would rather PROVE with EVIDENCE why Milk is superior rather than say "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles".
Just implicating things on faith is in no way beneficial to anyone who champions Science and evidence.
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Yes, you are right, I am sorry.
But his copy&paste Mr-Know-It-All just pisses me off. Adonis comes here once a year and in that time spams the board with his utter bullshit and copied articles.
Back then it was McDonalds, his new topic is MILK. He will go to google, type "milk and muscle growth" or "milk and protein synthesis" and then cpoy and paste sprre all over the board for hours and hours.
Basically all i'm saying is, TA is an idiot, if he came around like "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles" it would be fine, but TA is just the annoying type of idiot that everybody hates in real life, yet, you can't throw him out here, like you could do in a Bar or wherever else in real life.
Why should Scientific research make you angry? Are you one of those that don`t inquire why or want to know the mechanism of how something works?
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Yes, you are right, I am sorry.
But his copy&paste Mr-Know-It-All just pisses me off. Adonis comes here once a year and in that time spams the board with his utter bullshit and copied articles.
Back then it was McDonalds, his new topic is MILK. He will go to google, type "milk and muscle growth" or "milk and protein synthesis" and then cpoy and paste sprre all over the board for hours and hours.
Basically all i'm saying is, TA is an idiot, if he came around like "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles" it would be fine, but TA is just the annoying type of idiot that everybody hates in real life, yet, you can't throw him out here, like you could do in a Bar or wherever else in real life.
Furthermore, if you notice this entire thread, I have taken myself out of the equation and provided the unbiased research that you can choose to draw your own conclusions with. Hopefully, you will take the evidence into consideration rather than choose to turn a blind eye to a fact simply because you don`t like the messenger. That is true ignorance.
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I would rather PROVE with EVIDENCE why Milk is superior rather than say "Hey guys, i like to drink milk after WO, it helps build muscles".
Just implicating things on faith is in no way beneficial to anyone who champions Science and evidence.
nothing against scientific research, you didn't get my point.
Also, you tend to agressivly promote one topic without accepting any chance for discussion.
Why should Scientific research make you angry? Are you one of those that don`t inquire why or want to know the mechanism of how something works?
Scientific research is fine, ibut it doesn't make you less an idiot.
Furthermore, if you notice this entire thread, I have taken myself out of the equation and provided the unbiased research that you can choose to draw your own conclusions with. Hopefully, you will take the evidence into consideration rather than choose to turn a blind eye to a fact simply because you don`t like the messenger. That is true ignorance.
I didn't say anything against milk, so i guess you're right, i just think you're an idiot.
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nothing against scientific research, you didn't get my point.
Also, you tend to agressivly promote one topic without accepting any chance for discussion.
Scientific research is fine, ibut it doesn't make you less an idiot.
I didn't say anything against milk, so i guess you're right, i just think you're an idiot.
So what exactly is your quarrel?
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"You're an idiot" isn't a valid argument against anything.
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"You're an idiot" isn't a valid argument against anything.
I didn't argument, i made a statement.
So what exactly is your quarrel?
I hate you. ;D ;D
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I didn't argument, i made a statement.
I hate you. ;D ;D
hate is a pretty strong emotion for someone that you have never met..you are probably just using a hyperbole
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hate is a pretty strong emotion for someone that you have never met
loll, don't take me so serious! i was exaggerating for the fun of the comment.
Just keep it this way, TA was posting bullshit in 99% of his posts, may i remind again of the "Adonis principles", "a calorie is a calorie" or the 225x112 video?
Now he comes back with his NEW ::) ::) experience of drinking milk, which has been known for about 4000 years and starts spamming the G&O.
TA = annoying fuck
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If he actually brought something interesting to this board, well, i wouldn't mind, but he doesn't.
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well post workout or preworkout ok. otherwise its stuipid to drink when dieting imo.
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well post workout or preworkout ok. otherwise its stuipid to drink when dieting imo.
Can you expand as to why?
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loll, don't take me so serious! i was exaggerating for the fun of the comment.
Just keep it this way, TA was posting bullshit in 99% of his posts, may i remind again of the "Adonis principles", "a calorie is a calorie" or the 225x112 video?
Now he comes back with his NEW ::) ::) experience of drinking milk, which has been known for about 4000 years and starts spamming the G&O.
TA = annoying fuck
glad many see this ass jockey for what he is...if i had the time or interest i would quote all his adonis principles and calorie is a calorie bullshit and mcdonalds diet ben and jerrys oh lord what a hoot this retard is....scum bag too fks underage girls....
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Can you expand as to why?
milk sugar -> insulin spike -> fat storage
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I drink 2.8 litres of skimmed milk a day. ;D, candidizzle says it causes water retention.
alot of the minerals and vitamins in milk can cause kidney stones and some other digestion problems, especially if you're genetically prone to such, i've had a tiny one before, but it was after a massive food binge and not helped by my last brand of creatine so i don't eat much dairy, usually about a cup of it with my oatmeal and possibly with a coffee later in the day, adding this hopefully won't hurt me.
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milk sugar -> insulin spike -> fat storage
Bullshit, lactose has a low GI of 46.
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glad many see this ass jockey for what he is...if i had the time or interest i would quote all his adonis principles and calorie is a calorie bullshit and mcdonalds diet ben and jerrys oh lord what a hoot this retard is....scum bag too fks underage girls....
Isn't it great how he says i should PROVE that he is dumber than me but then dodges the McDonald's or deadlift accusations like ever before?
TA = idiot.
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Its not uncommon for vested interests to fund peer-reviewed research. For the most part, it has no bearings on the results and conclusions of a study.
bullshit because the results only get published if they are favorable to the funding interest.
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Bullshit, lactose has a low GI of 46.
kay. learn something new every day.
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bullshit because the results only get published if they are favorable to the funding interest.
100% spot on.
If the results aren't what they supposed to be, you can simply do the study again and again with slightly different testing conditions until the result is fine.
This happens all the time, very often in cosmetics and supplements. Just exchange 50 people with another 50 people and the result will be different.
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but, still have to be carefull how much you drink of it. cant gulp it like water 1 liter is 350 kcal.
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but, still have to be carefull how much you drink of it. cant gulp it like water 1 liter is 350 kcal.
good point, bt it's not valid if you think a bit.
a) mix some whey into your milk for even MORE protein synthesis and
b) only drink it around WO
that's just an example of how to use milk correctly even when you diet. Oh and don't listen to that whole milk BS, skimmed milk is way better, you don't need the excess calories of fat. If you need extra fat, there are much better alternatives than milk.
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if i drank milk it would be low fat ofc with less than 0.1% fat. dont need saturated fat.
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if i drank milk it would be low fat ofc with less than 0.1% fat. dont need saturated fat.
TA thinks different, but that might be because he still believes that "a calorie is a calorie"...
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Adoins, what if u were lactose sensitive ?
milk upsets my stomach, !
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If he actually brought something interesting to this board, well, i wouldn't mind, but he doesn't.
the cock gabbler gobbler should research raw milk and it's benefits not regular milk...fkr is running around bloated and gssy farting from all the lactose intolerance....ahahahaha hahhahahahahahaahaha
adam you should be a circus clown... :-*
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Isn't it great how he says i should PROVE that he is dumber than me but then dodges the McDonald's or deadlift accusations like ever before?
TA = idiot.
most people recognize his mental illness....sad but true...
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Donkeykong, you're negative. Can't you have an objective discussion w/o calling somebody stupid right off the bat?
It's not like we haven't had time and boundless content to have come to this conclusion.
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It's not like we haven't had time and boundless content to have come to this conclusion.
I see your point but...the dude gets in shape regardless. Obviously something he does works correct?
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lots of studies showing milk causes no weight loss and some weight gain. This study is also shit. Post the actual pfd of the study so we can all read the methods of this gem.
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Milk contains decent protein.
But it still doesnt have the nitrogen retention scores of eggs or whey.
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I see your point but...the dude gets in shape regardless. Obviously something he does works correct?
Well, something he does does work, but he should just shut the fuck up, because it's obviously NOT eating at McDonalds 24/7 or pizza or expensive wine.
TA is full of shit and a liar, he probably juices and just wants to set people up with his dumb theories.
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i can never be fucked reading this type of article either, like you say Donkeykong, taking it with a grain of salt is the best thing, because they are so biased
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I don't think TA has actually READ that, he only saw the first line.
Bingo
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Adoins, what if u were lactose sensitive ?
milk upsets my stomach, !
Makes me bloated as well. I switched to skim which is like water, not as bad but still bloating and cramping.
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Makes me bloated as well. I switched to skim which is like water, not as bad but still bloating and cramping.
lactaid my weegar
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ive been saying that i drink skim milk with my whey with cinnamon both pre and post workout for like three weeks now....
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i've been drinking skim milk postworkout for years
i'm pleased with the results 8)
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i've been drinking skim milk postworkout for years
i'm pleased with the results 8)
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i thought you didnt workout anymore?
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Makes me bloated as well. I switched to skim which is like water, not as bad but still bloating and cramping.
How can a swimmer get bloated???
(http://www.talkingproud.us/ImagesCulture/Racing/PhelpsSwimmer.jpg)
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Isnt it funny how True Idiot disappears once you mention the 225x112 vid? Fucking liar.
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i thought you didnt workout anymore?
i never said this, i love to workout
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i never said this, i love to workout
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by workout, you mean impale yourself viciously on random penises, right?
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by workout, you mean impale yourself viciously on random penises, right?
i think by workout he means act
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i think by workout he means act
what you must understand about Earl is that he has some kind of mutated strain of homosexuality in his DNA where he only goes for muscled up men of a dubious ethnic background, such as "half Italian, half amazing".
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what you must understand about Earl is that he has some kind of mutated strain of homosexuality in his DNA where he only goes for muscled up men of a dubious ethnic background, such as "half Italian, half amazing".
what your saying is that he is A-sexual ? that would be fitting, as most men like him are very arrogant conceited and self centered. but for good reason however.
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what your saying is that he is A-sexual ? that would be fitting, as most men like him are very arrogant conceited and self centered. but for good reason however.
call it what you want, but the fact is, whenever Earl does laundry, most of his shirts are glued together with sperm that doesn't belong to him.
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Skim milk = simple carbs and protein
Who would have thought that carbs and protein after a workout give good results. Earth-shattering information.
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Skim milk = simple carbs and protein
Who would have thought that carbs and protein after a workout give good results. Earth-shattering information.
lactose isnt simple carbs.
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lactose isnt simple carbs.
Jezus christ, alright, here it goes:
Simple carbohydrates have one (single) or two (double) sugars while complex carbohydrates have three or more.
Examples of single sugars from foods include fructose (found in fruits) and galactose (found in milk products). Double sugars include lactose (found in dairy), maltose (found in certain vegetables and in beer), and sucrose (table sugar).
source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002469.htm
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Jezus christ, alright, here it goes:
Simple carbohydrates have one (single) or two (double) sugars while complex carbohydrates have three or more.
Examples of single sugars from foods include fructose (found in fruits) and galactose (found in milk products). Double sugars include lactose (found in dairy), maltose (found in certain vegetables and in beer), and sucrose (table sugar).
source: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002469.htm
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'simple' as in rate of digestion, genius.
that definition of simple and complex has no real life applications whatsoever.
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Isnt it funny how True Idiot disappears once you mention the 225x112 vid? Fucking liar.
He never responds to direct challenges. He always changes the subject (can't even call it a proper red herring ::)) or ignores the challenge altogether.
It's best to ignore him. If someone's ignorant and/or stupid enough to be impressed by his ham-fisted romp through a thesaurus blather*, that person's probably a lost cause anyway.
*What's really amusing is how often Primadonis can't even use his online thesaurus correctly. Almost every time he comes about "full of high sentence," he's more than "a bit obtuse" ;)
(A cookie for the person who can name the alluded work WITHOUT Google. I'll give you a hint: Colonel Kurtz's character in "Apocalypse Now" reads some of this poet's work aloud.)
In other words, the guy fumbles his "big" words -- and badly -- about every time he trots 'em out. But he'll never admit to those mistakes. And the rabble will say he's owned your mind or somesuch illogic. Playground "debate" tactics ... but NASA employee and self-styled Renaissance Man Adam -- oh, he's above that ::)
I would like to invite Primadonis to a forum in which the peanut gallery couldn't [weakly] try to obfuscate things by calling me a c*nt, asking for pics of my tits and so on. But he'd be afraid to discuss something in a forum that truly abides burden of proof, punishes logical fallacies AND would laugh oh so heartily at a moron who thinks science is a proper noun :D
(Pst, Adam! Science is NOT a proper noun. That means you should Stop Capitalizing It! ;))
Yeah. A guy whose claim to fame is firing people up. Stephen Hawking, move over ::)
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He never responds to direct challenges. He always changes the subject (can't even call it a proper red herring ::)) or ignores the challenge altogether.
It's best to ignore him. If someone's ignorant and/or stupid enough to be impressed by his ham-fisted romp through a thesaurus blather*, that person's probably a lost cause anyway.
*What's really amusing is how often Primadonis can't even use his online thesaurus correctly. Almost every time he comes about "full of high sentence," he's more than "a bit obtuse" ;)
(A cookie for the person who can name the alluded work WITHOUT Google. I'll give you a hint: Colonel Kurtz's character in "Apocalypse Now" reads some of this poet's work aloud.)
In other words, the guy fumbles his "big" words -- and badly -- about every time he trots 'em out. But he'll never admit to those mistakes. And the rabble will say he's owned your mind or somesuch illogic. Playground "debate" tactics ... but NASA employee and self-styled Renaissance Man Adam -- oh, he's above that ::)
I would like to invite Primadonis to a forum in which the peanut gallery couldn't [weakly] try to obfuscate things by calling me a c*nt, asking for pics of my tits and so on. But he'd be afraid to discuss something in a forum that truly abides burden of proof, punishes logical fallacies AND would laugh oh so heartily at a moron who thinks science is a proper noun :D
(Pst, Adam! Science is NOT a proper noun. That means you should Stop Capitalizing It! ;))
Yeah. A guy whose claim to fame is firing people up. Stephen Hawking, move over ::)
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He never responds to direct challenges. He always changes the subject (can't even call it a proper red herring ::)) or ignores the challenge altogether.
It's best to ignore him. If someone's ignorant and/or stupid enough to be impressed by his ham-fisted romp through a thesaurus blather*, that person's probably a lost cause anyway.
*What's really amusing is how often Primadonis can't even use his online thesaurus correctly. Almost every time he comes about "full of high sentence," he's more than "a bit obtuse" ;)
(A cookie for the person who can name the alluded work WITHOUT Google. I'll give you a hint: Colonel Kurtz's character in "Apocalypse Now" reads some of this poet's work aloud.)
In other words, the guy fumbles his "big" words -- and badly -- about every time he trots 'em out. But he'll never admit to those mistakes. And the rabble will say he's owned your mind or somesuch illogic. Playground "debate" tactics ... but NASA employee and self-styled Renaissance Man Adam -- oh, he's above that ::)
I would like to invite Primadonis to a forum in which the peanut gallery couldn't [weakly] try to obfuscate things by calling me a c*nt, asking for pics of my tits and so on. But he'd be afraid to discuss something in a forum that truly abides burden of proof, punishes logical fallacies AND would laugh oh so heartily at a moron who thinks science is a proper noun :D
(Pst, Adam! Science is NOT a proper noun. That means you should Stop Capitalizing It! ;))
Yeah. A guy whose claim to fame is firing people up. Stephen Hawking, move over ::)
Well, if you've got tits, I, for one, would like to see them. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 8)
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Coward.
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Well, if you've got tits, I, for one, would like to see them. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. 8)
*sigh* Leave it to a monkey with an M.D. to focus on that :)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are maybe two people at this site I trust with my pictures. I'm not so sure I'm comfortable sharing them with just everyone, especially whatwith the likes of the self-styled genius Adam "I'll roll my eyes at you, thereby confirming everything you just said" Abeles trolling about.
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*sigh* Leave it to a monkey with an M.D. to focus on that :)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are maybe two people at this site I trust with my pictures. I'm not so sure I'm comfortable sharing them with just everyone, especially whatwith the likes of the self-styled genius Adam "I'll roll my eyes at you, thereby confirming everything you just said" Abeles trolling about.
why did you create a gimmick just to stalk one person?
Kind of fits a certain profile. ;)
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Your unfounded uttering expressions or opinions derogatory to my honour are entirely built on pillars of salt and sand. Your false characterization is in no way material to me, as the calumny at hand is meaningless. You are proving yourself to be nothing more than but a deranged, deaf and speechless parrot squawking listlessly to yourself as nobody takes any note of a queer bird who sings false notes in order to serenade appeasement in hopes of rectifying its own handicaps and shortcomings.
Continue to pull your feathers out. It is what you do best.
I wholeheartedly accept the honor and distinction of the thrice accolades being bestowed ever so woo fully. Flattered I am and gracious in accepting what the majority have put forth as an entirely unfeigned characterization of my personal commendation.
I will make all of you proud and know that any gift I have to give shall be given genial and urbanely.
Again, I am flattered with your graciousness and respect. Know also that it is equally reciprocated.
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So what exactly is your quarrel?
hahaha the picless euro trash tries to diminish Adonis' intellect superiority.
Another miss.
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by workout, you mean impale yourself viciously on random penises, right?
hey don't start getting snooty with me because your wife wears the pants in your relationship :P
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hahaha the picless euro trash tries to diminish Adonis' intellect superiority.
Another miss.
only an illiterate dumbass like alex23 could think that Adonix is an intellectual.
alex, you are even dumber than Adonis, and that means something.
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only an illiterate dumbass like alex23 could think that Adonix is an intellectual.
alex, you are even dumber than Adonis, and that means something.
careful kong this huge "bodybuilder" goes around terrorizing and intimaidating people on a daily basis...getting into "fista cuffs" with anyone that trys to "eye dominate" him through the burger king window...that of course is in between his "menage trois" or threesomes he has with 2-3 hot chicks 3-4 times a day in between steroid shots and 15 meals and lifting hundreds of thousands of pounds at the gym...for cardio and fun he rips out car engines like Mr t did when he was a kid stealing them for fun...what abeast!!!
that's why i love this place ..the biggest boasters are the saddest people you'd ever meet in real life...kinda sad cause alex probably could buckle down and really pack some serious mass on up to 270-280 if he actually trained and ate right.....his posts are laughable..but entertainment!
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also forgot he is a rich millionaire actually a CEO for a fortune 500 company too....private plane all that!!!All at 24 years old!
The world is mine!!!!
ahahahahahahahahahahahah a
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why did you create a gimmick just to stalk one person?
Kind of fits a certain profile. ;)
I'm not a sock-puppet, but who do you think I am? This could be interesting :)
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don't forget about adonis's claims he is a nutural ::) when he was found on with old pictures on elite ::)
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don't forget about adonis's claims he is a nutural ::) when he was found on with old pictures on elite ::)
Thats strikes me as rather odd since I have never seen these pictures myself. Care to show them?
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'simple' as in rate of digestion, genius.
that definition of simple and complex has no real life applications whatsoever.
I never said anything about that.
I just said that milk has simple carbs, which it has. You said it doesn't, so you were wrong. Don't start twisting the subject.
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judging by the picture in the other thread Adonis will win the MGB with almost no problems.
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judging by the picture in the other thread Adonis will win the MGB with almost no problems.
I would like to see a front pic before claiming "victory".
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Dont tell me alex23 is only 24 years old? I thougt he has kids and in the pics, he looks more 30 than 20. What a loser.