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Barack Obama about to be on 'Meet the Press' - NBC, 10 am EST
After that highly successful Euro and mid-east trip, if he was ever going to slip up, it's now. Or, he could capitalize upon the big trip with a flawless performance here. Will he portary McCain as an old, angry man?
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Sorry, I meant to post this on political.
Obama's trip:
sat - kuwait - met with troops
sun - afghanistn - met with troops
mon - baghdad - met with maliki, and visited wounded troops
tues - met with king of jordan
wed - israel's leaders
thurs - berlin, big speech and met with german leader
fri - france, french leader
sat london, blair and brown
he is talking very hawkish about the need for other countries to chip in soldiers to help finish the job in afghanistan and kill bin laden, something Bush hasn't been able to do in 7 years.
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you mean President Obama right Rob?
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Sorry, I meant to post this on political.
Obama's trip:
sat - kuwait - met with troops
sun - afghanistn - met with troops
mon - baghdad - met with maliki, and visited wounded troops
tues - met with king of jordan
wed - israel's leaders
thurs - berlin, big speech and met with german leader
fri - france, french leader
sat london, blair and brown
he is talking very hawkish about the need for other countries to chip in soldiers to help finish the job in afghanistan and kill bin laden, something Bush hasn't been able to do in 7 years.
Obama will say whatever he needs to get your vote and will do nothing you need for him to justify it.
For someone that is a self proclaim internet investigator you should have seen that a mile away.
I rather have a leader that might not please everyone but is a man of action than someone who will not please everyone by his lack of action.
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Obama will say whatever he needs to get your vote and will do nothing you need for him to justify it.
For someone that is a self proclaim internet investigator you should have seen that a mile away.
I rather have a leader that might not please everyone but is a man of action than someone who will not please everyone by his lack of action.
I'm not voting for either McCain or Obama, both of which are pandering, borrow-happy liberals.
however since he is leading handily in state-by-state electoral polling and is the odds-on favorite to win the election, his campaign is one worth following, IMO.
Mccain had very different views when he ran in 2000, than he has today. He reversed all positions in 2007 when he decided to run. Bush tax plan - he used to bash the shit out of it. One day, it is suddenly "I've always supported them!" Likewise, he doesn't believe the economy is in trouble. That is either a lie, or he's delusional.
hilarity of the recent week:
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im voting for a BLACK HOUSE!!!
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you mean President Obama right Rob?
;D
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its gonna be an awesome time for the kkk and rednecks when there is a black president, complaining how the black man is holding them down as their in their trailors, my how the times have changed.
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Sorry, I meant to post this on political.
Obama's trip:
sat - kuwait - met with troops
sun - afghanistn - met with troops
mon - baghdad - met with maliki, and visited wounded troops
tues - met with king of jordan
wed - israel's leaders
thurs - berlin, big speech and met with german leader
fri - france, french leader
sat london, blair and brown
he is talking very hawkish about the need for other countries to chip in soldiers to help finish the job in afghanistan and kill bin laden, something Bush hasn't been able to do in 7 years.
Yeah, I am sure he will get France to man the fuck up
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I'm not voting for either McCain or Obama, both of which are pandering, borrow-happy liberals.however since he is leading handily in state-by-state electoral polling and is the odds-on favorite to win the election, his campaign is one worth following, IMO.
Mccain had very different views when he ran in 2000, than he has today. He reversed all positions in 2007 when he decided to run. Bush tax plan - he used to bash the shit out of it. One day, it is suddenly "I've always supported them!" Likewise, he doesn't believe the economy is in trouble. That is either a lie, or he's delusional.
hilarity of the recent week:
Agreed.
If Obamababymama thinks he'd be better suited to nail Bin Laden, I'd like to introduce him to Santa
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Agreed.
If Obamababymama thinks he'd be better suited to nail Bin Laden, I'd like to introduce him to Santa
Do you not like black people moose?
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Do you not like black people moose?
I don 't like Obama as pres
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I don 't like Obama as pres
Would you add "babymama" to the end of the name John Kerry if he was the democratic candidate this time round again?
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Would you add "babymama" to the end of the name John Kerry if he was the democratic candidate this time round again?
It's more of a black term. Like saying Travis Henry has 9 baby mamas. Doesn't sound right saying it about a cracker.
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He's on "This Week" with Stephonopolous. Good ol Clintonohpolous would NEVER being asking these questions to Obama. He would get the usual pass.
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Would you add "babymama" to the end of the name John Kerry if he was the democratic candidate this time round again?
No, I'd add something regarding 'Marphan's Disease'
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No, I'd add something regarding 'Marphan's Disease'
Oh, and cowardice, as well
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If Obamababymama thinks he'd be better suited to nail Bin Laden, I'd like to introduce him to Santa
Mike,
I'm not sure if you have followed their positions here.
Mccain wishes to keep giving Pakistan $2 billion per year, with zero accountability and standards. Just like Bush has. Which has allowed Osama to be free for 7 years.
Obama wishes to stop the $ flow to them, if they block our troops from going into tribal region, or if they don't start producing results. It's well known that bin laden is being protected by these Paki warlords that their govt is scared to stand up to. Obama IS NOT afraid of them, and wants to send in men, missiles, and munitions to kill bin laden.
So i ask you... looking at their positions... how is Mccain "better suited" to kill bin laden when he wants to continue the ineffective Bush policy?
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No, I'd add something regarding 'Marphan's Disease'
So it wouldn't be something racist then.
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He's on "This Week" with Stephonopolous. Good ol Clintonohpolous would NEVER being asking these questions to Obama. He would get the usual pass.
Brian williams was smacking obama round a bit. came right at him with old quotes about the surge. so it wasn't a softball interview... he made him look bad in the first 2 minutes.
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Brian williams was smacking obama round a bit. came right at him with old quotes about the surge. so it wasn't a softball interview... he made him look bad in the first 2 minutes.
This isn't Brian Williams.
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So it wouldn't be something racist then.
I , for one, am not afraid to address the double standard here.
Why can't I point out that Obama is black?
If you think that does not matter, than you are as strung out as you seem to be.
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Mike,
I'm not sure if you have followed their positions here.
Mccain wishes to keep giving Pakistan $2 billion per year, with zero accountability and standards. Just like Bush has. Which has allowed Osama to be free for 7 years.
Obama wishes to stop the $ flow to them, if they block our troops from going into tribal region, or if they don't start producing results. It's well known that bin laden is being protected by these Paki warlords that their govt is scared to stand up to. Obama IS NOT afraid of them, and wants to send in men, missiles, and munitions to kill bin laden.
So i ask you... looking at their positions... how is Mccain "better suited" to kill bin laden when he wants to continue the ineffective Bush policy?
Rob, I agree with you here.
Neither is better suited to get him.
In fact, I, for one, do not think Bin Laden matters that much anymore
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I , for one, am not afraid to address the double standard here.
Why can't I point out that Obama is black?
If you think that does not matter, than you are as strung out as you seem to be.
Pointing it out to a blind person that he is black would be understandable.
With all this babymama shit it seems you have a problem with him being black, thats the difference.
I see you have a strong dislike for asians also with your attacks on the mr getbig competitor jaejonna.
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Rob, I agree with you here.
Neither is better suited to get him.
In fact, I, for one, do not think Bin Laden matters that much anymore
The man has the blood of 3000 americans from 9/11 on his hands.
Their policies are different. Barack Obama will walk into pakistan and put a missile in his ass. Mccain will not. I think that is a very distinct difference. Remember, we took over Afghanistan just to get bin laden and now we don't have fcking permission to walk into afghan/paki border and get him, despite the fact we're paying pakistan billions?
it's soft appeasement and Bush has allowed it. mccain will allow it too. Obama, well, he doesn't give a shit about hurting their feelings. I admit, I didnt expect a lib like him to be so militant on getting the bad guys after Bush has given him a pass. But it's true. The whole world knows where bin laden is - pakistan's govt admits it and we saw him there in 2005. Bush and mccain just won't piss off pakistan to do it. Obama will.
Ask most americans what they care more about - killing the biggest terrorist in the world, or "avoiding hurting pakistan's feelings" and see what they say ;)
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The man has the blood of 3000 americans from 9/11 on his hands.
Agreed. Disgraceful and horrifying. But people forget
Their policies are different. Barack Obama will walk into pakistan and put a missile in his ass.
I would. So Barak says...we'll see Mccain will not. I think that is a very distinct difference. Remember, we took over Afghanistan just to get bin laden and now we don't have fcking permission to walk into afghan/paki border and get him, despite the fact we're paying pakistan billions?
That's true and it makes no sense and it incenses me
it's soft appeasement and Bush has allowed it. mccain will allow it too. Obama, well, he doesn't give a shit about hurting their feelings.
I just don't buy that I admit, I didnt expect a lib like him to be so militant on getting the bad guys after Bush has given him a pass. But it's true.
Again, I hope. He can SAY anything he wants to get in. That does not fit the Lib credo, as you know... The whole world knows where bin laden is - pakistan's govt admits it and we saw him there in 2005. Bush and mccain just won't piss off pakistan to do it. Obama will.
Bushies may be waiting till a couple of months from here to nail b laden. They may know his whereabouts. That'd give reps a boost
Ask most americans what they care more about - killing the biggest terrorist in the world, or "avoiding hurting pakistan's feelings" and see what they say ;)
either way, our taxes are gonna soar
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either way, our taxes are gonna soar
This is unrelated to the topic at hand.
Facts are facts. Mccain says he won't go into pakistan. Obama says he will. You can analyze their true intentions all day, but if mccain says he won't, you KNOW he won't. Obama is taking a wildly unpopular position in the world by saying he'll disrupt an instable paikistan because American Justice comes first, so I do believe he'll follow thru.
It's very very odd, in this day in age, that a Dem wants to kill bin laden, and the Repub candidate does not.
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This is unrelated to the topic at hand.
Facts are facts. Mccain says he won't go into pakistan. Obama says he will. You can analyze their true intentions all day, but if mccain says he won't, you KNOW he won't.
So you have never known for a politco to change his mind? ;)
Obama is taking a wildly unpopular position in the world by saying he'll disrupt an instable paikistan because American Justice comes first, so I do believe he'll follow thru.
It's very very odd, in this day in age, that a Dem wants to kill bin laden, and the Repub candidate does not.
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y dont u like blacks.
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y dont u like blacks.
I don't like political correctness, the scourge of our time.
If you don't uinderstand this, then you are part of the problem.
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The man has the blood of 3000 americans from 9/11 on his hands.
Their policies are different. Barack Obama will walk into pakistan and put a missile in his ass. Mccain will not. I think that is a very distinct difference. Remember, we took over Afghanistan just to get bin laden and now we don't have fcking permission to walk into afghan/paki border and get him, despite the fact we're paying pakistan billions?
it's soft appeasement and Bush has allowed it. mccain will allow it too. Obama, well, he doesn't give a shit about hurting their feelings. I admit, I didnt expect a lib like him to be so militant on getting the bad guys after Bush has given him a pass. But it's true. The whole world knows where bin laden is - pakistan's govt admits it and we saw him there in 2005. Bush and mccain just won't piss off pakistan to do it. Obama will.
Ask most americans what they care more about - killing the biggest terrorist in the world, or "avoiding hurting pakistan's feelings" and see what they say ;)
Wrong. You walk into Pakistan and conduct military operations without the blessing of the Pakistani govt. and there will be a shit a storm, not doubt about it. After which, they will have to bow to internal pressure and close off our Military's and NATO's only supply line into Afghanistan. That's why McCain would think twice, as it is prudent. Obama said what he said because he needed to look tough on foreign policy, period. That's what he does, and he does it very well. His position in 2004-06 was no troop withdrawal time lines in Iraq b/c it was unpopular, he only changed his position when the politics demanded it.
Again, I'm not saying McCain is a better option, just that people need to know that Obama is the definition of an empty suit. All style and no substance.
And by the way, his trip was successful in that the media bows to him like their false idol. Weak softball questions and when actual substantive questions are asked, he is allowed to stammer through and give some week kneed response with no follow up. Also, he gave the media no real access, no press true press meetings and the questions were pre-selected. This was more about him trying to gain credibility knowing the media was actively campaigning for him, than actually learning something and gaining experience.
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Wrong. You walk into Pakistan and conduct military operations without the blessing of the Pakistani govt. and there will be a shit a storm, not doubt about it. After which, they will have to bow to internal pressure and close off our Military's and NATO's only supply line into Afghanistan. That's why McCain would think twice, as it is prudent. Obama said what he said because he needed to look tough on foreign policy, period. That's what he does, and he does it very well. His position in 2004-06 was no troop withdrawal time lines in Iraq b/c it was unpopular, he only changed his position when the politics demanded it.
Again, I'm not saying McCain is a better option, just that people need to know that Obama is the definition of an empty suit. All style and no substance.
And by the way, his trip was successful in that the media bows to him like their false idol. Weak softball questions and when actual substantive questions are asked, he is allowed to stammer through and give some week kneed response with no follow up. Also, he gave the media no real access, no press true press meetings and the questions were pre-selected. This was more about him trying to gain credibility knowing the media was actively campaigning for him, than actually learning something and gaining experience.
Ultimately, the people will see thru this.
WE here do, so why not?
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Wrong. You walk into Pakistan and conduct military operations without the blessing of the Pakistani govt. and there will be a shit a storm, not doubt about it. After which, they will have to bow to internal pressure and close off our Military's and NATO's only supply line into Afghanistan. That's why McCain would think twice, as it is prudent. Obama said what he said because he needed to look tough on foreign policy, period. That's what he does, and he does it very well. His position in 2004-06 was no troop withdrawal time lines in Iraq b/c it was unpopular, he only changed his position when the politics demanded it.
I agree completely that obama is all sizzle, no steak. IMO the media plays nice because he's so good for ratings. They were just as friendly with GWB in 2001 after 911. Everyone in the world warned us, he let it happen, and no media outlet called him on it because that would be 'unpatriotic'.
Obama said this morning he'd consider cutting off $ to pakistan, or at least putting restrictions on it, if they don't get bin laden or give us access to the area to do it ourselves.
It's more than mccain is willing to do. Yes, it'll piss off warlords. But to say we need the "blessings" or a puppet drone like Musharraf, who we're giving $2B a year to do nothing, is silliness. You're either with us, or against us, remember? Those who harbor terrorists are as bad as the terrorists themselves? Remember those quotes from Dubya?
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No, I'd add something regarding 'Marphan's Disease'
Marfan's Syndrome?
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Ultimately, the people will see thru this.
WE here do, so why not?
Because a purple dinosaur in a nazi sash could get elected right now. People are SO sick of "i'm in this war even if 99% of america is against it" Bush. They're SO sick of Cheney saying it doesn't matter what the americna people want.
You can't rub someone's nose in shit for 7 years, then be surprised when they prefer a vinegar drink to the shit sandwich.
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I agree completely that obama is all sizzle, no steak. IMO the media plays nice because he's so good for ratings. They were just as friendly with GWB in 2001 after 911. Everyone in the world warned us, he let it happen, and no media outlet called him on it because that would be 'unpatriotic'.
Obama said this morning he'd consider cutting off $ to pakistan, or at least putting restrictions on it, if they don't get bin laden or give us access to the area to do it ourselves.
It's more than mccain is willing to do. Yes, it'll piss off warlords. But to say we need the "blessings" or a puppet drone like Musharraf, who we're giving $2B a year to do nothing, is silliness. You're either with us, or against us, remember? Those who harbor terrorists are as bad as the terrorists themselves? Remember those quotes from Dubya?
Rob, striaght up, why DO you think we give 'em this money for NOTHING?
You KNOW we must have something up our sleeve?
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Rob, striaght up, why DO you think we give 'em this money for NOTHING?
You KNOW we must have something up our sleeve?
No. I do know that 4 days before 911, pakistan's top general wired 100k to Atta, the ringleader from the 911 attacks. He was forced to resign because of it, but never questioned.
I do know that Pakistan, it appears, either helped fund 911, or didn't investigate their general who did.
And we're paying them billions of dollars per year to, what again?
Dude, no offense, but it sounds like YOU are soft on terror. We know where he is, we know he killed 3000 americans and was behind the USS Cole attack. And you are okay with him being free because we might "have something up our sleeve?"
You're forgiving. Most americans want bin laden dead.
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I agree completely that obama is all sizzle, no steak. IMO the media plays nice because he's so good for ratings. They were just as friendly with GWB in 2001 after 911. Everyone in the world warned us, he let it happen, and no media outlet called him on it because that would be 'unpatriotic'.
Obama said this morning he'd consider cutting off $ to pakistan, or at least putting restrictions on it, if they don't get bin laden or give us access to the area to do it ourselves.
It's more than mccain is willing to do. Yes, it'll piss off warlords. But to say we need the "blessings" or a puppet drone like Musharraf, who we're giving $2B a year to do nothing, is silliness. You're either with us, or against us, remember? Those who harbor terrorists are as bad as the terrorists themselves? Remember those quotes from Dubya?
Good point. BUT, Pakistan is well on its way to becoming the largest failed state in existence. The govt and military are heavily infiltrated by Taliban and Al-Queda and most of the population view Bin Laden as a hero and harbor very deep sympathy for the Taliban and by extension Al-Queda. Also, they have nuclear weapons.
Just take a look at events in that region over the past month or two. Pakistan goes on "offensives" against the Taliban in the tribal regions, only to sign a "peace agreement" soon after. Which pretty much means they capitulate to the Taliban. That's a fact. Hell. the Pakistani govt. has just completely ceded Hangu Province to the Taliban....A WHOLE PROVINCE.
Face it, until we get a new supply lines or lines, we are stuck in a bad situation. On a holding pattern in Afghanistan until we begin the next round of large troop withdrawals from Iraq. Even then, if we can't or won't go after the safe havens in the border regions, the war in Afghanistan will continue on it's present course. Also, NATO not only won't send more soldiers to Afghanistan, they simply don't have the transportation assets to get them there, nor the supply chain etc. NATO is a husk of a force and is really impotent at this point.
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No. I do know that 4 days before 911, pakistan's top general wired 100k to Atta, the ringleader from the 911 attacks. He was forced to resign because of it, but never questioned.
I do know that Pakistan, it appears, either helped fund 911, or didn't investigate their general who did.
And we're paying them billions of dollars per year to, what again?
Dude, no offense, but it sounds like YOU are soft on terror. We know where he is, we know he killed 3000 americans and was behind the USS Cole attack. And you are okay with him being free because we might "have something up our sleeve?"
You're forgiving. Most americans want bin laden dead.
Ahghh...you are baiting me , my friend.
I would carpet bomb these fucking countries, given the chance.
Its just a matter of time, either way, that we do.
One more attack by them on us, and a country will be converted to glass
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Sorry, I meant to post this on political.
Obama's trip:
sat - kuwait - met with al queda
sun - afghanistn - met with osama bin laden
mon - baghdad - met with maliki, and visited wounded insurgents
tues - met with president of Iran
wed - Too lazy to do anything, ate chicken all day
thurs - berlin, big speech and met with palestinian leader
fri - france, french leader
sat london, satellite al queda office meeting
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Ahghh...you are baiting me , my friend.
I would carpet bomb these fucking countries, given the chance.
Its just a matter of time, either way, that we do.
One more attack by them on us, and a country will be converted to glass
lol I do like to push buttons ;)
Our unofficial US policy is that if a nuke ever goes off on our soil, we instantly nuke the capitals of every arab nation in the middle east. Since so many of them knew about 911 in advance, they'd probably smell something in the works and stop it, to save their own asses.
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lol I do like to push buttons ;)
Our unofficial US policy is that if a nuke ever goes off on our soil, we instantly nuke the capitals of every arab nation in the middle east. Since so many of them knew about 911 in advance, they'd probably smell something in the works and stop it, to save their own asses.
Is that a fact?
If a nuke goes off here no matter what? Every one of their capitals? I like that